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Research says quantum vibrations are responsible for consciousness

by James Fame
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For the interested people in scientific research of consciousness. Fresh out of the oven, evidence for 'orchestrated objective reduction' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchest...tive_reduction).

Check out the science press release: Discovery of quantum vibrations in 'microtubules' inside brain neurons supports controversial theory of consciousness

Seems like a point where science may slowly accept spirituality.

James
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Way cool James!

    All is energy - aka spirit - and once science embraces the dual nature of the Universe, magical things will happen for a larger scale of people.

    Love this type of stuff.

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author jsla
      It is sure taking a while but science and spirituality are starting to get along pretty well...
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    Wow! Now if it going to be complicated to be conscious.
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    Intresting
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  • Profile picture of the author godinu
    Everything is energy or vibration, and everything has energy or vibration. Everything resonates and affects other things. This kind of study can get as deep as you'd like, so it is nice seeing mention of it here on WF too. (Interesting that so many religions and stories of origin of man have something to do with sound: sound=vibration=energy)
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  • Profile picture of the author Statcode
    Everything has a scientific explanation to it. If we are unable to explain it, we either have not developed the intelligence and higher consciousness to comprehend the phenomenal , or we do not the have the technology/tool to explain it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    I’ve always found science and religion (spirituality) to only be faking the war. They seem to be in complete alignment to me. The problem I have found is the perspective that each takes on the subject of reality. They are both looking to end up in the same place, just arguing over how to get there. This looks like each is facing the other in conflict. The biggest problem I see is that either side is referring to the same things with a different vocabulary. And throw in eternal damnation of your soul as a risk and we have a potential explosion always about to happen.

    Here is just one brief example of vocabulary. Faith=trust=hope=placebo effect=quantum mechanics

    Quantum mechanics is the science version of faith. QM is a science of probabilities. Meaning – if this happens then such-and-such will probably happen but not always. It is not exact. It probably will happen. A science of probabilities –> faith. How can science be real about not being exact? It is crazy but they did it. In fact it was so successful they invented lasers with it. They also invented dvd’s and put satellites into orbit with this fuzzy science. Your whole computer (all computer technology) was brought about based on quantum mechanics. Amazing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    For those finding the wikipedia article a little intimidating, it seems to be saying this> Orchestrated objective reduction: the science (measure or study) of human thought that can’t be put into words.

    The study of that which can’t be put into words. It sounds a little strange but think about when you smell a rose. You can describe it quite well but not completely. Can you put that part you are not able to explain with words into math to explain it. Or think about how you actually move each leg in order to walk. Please explain exactly how to do that in math for another human being to learn how to walk from.

    Or another fun way to look at it> the mathematical proof that human thought is mathematically unprovable. lol. The consensus among experts in the fields is that the argument fails on multiple fronts. Which is disappointing but still vastly interesting since they will probably do it one day.

    Or, in other words, explain to someone how salt tastes using math.
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    • Profile picture of the author Memetics
      "Consciousness" is most like an exaption of the brains mirror neurons turning in on themselves and contemplating their own existence. If you think of it like holding a mirror in front of a mirror and seeing an infinite amount of reflections you won't be far wrong.

      The difference with the mind though is that eventually the "reflections" come to a stop when the encounter what's called a "Qualia" these are the absolute reduction of mental processes and the building blocks of thought.

      As an example consider the colour red We all know what it is but how could you explain it to someone who has been blind from birth? Red is a "qualia"

      You could have a good go but you will never explain it accurately enough; you HAVE to see it to experience it.

      On a different note: Quantum vibrations within the nervous system would explain the phenomena where organ transplant recipients take on the likes and dislikes of the donor. The quantum program would interfere with their own and be incorporated? Fascinating stuff. Good find James.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    "Research says" seems misleading at this point. A controversial old theory says this, and someone thinks they may have found some evidence that there might be something to that theory. Now this discovery is up for peer review and discussion. It's quite interesting, though.

    I don't see any the explanation of spirituality here. Or why you'd need anything more than normal brain processes to explain that in any case.
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    • Profile picture of the author Memetics
      Quantum physics is such a counterintuitive and complex discipline that it's principles can be interpreted to explain practically anything, but saying that: If you're attempting to look for commonalities with "Spiritual" phenomena then there's more than you would expect.
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    • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      "Research says" seems misleading at this point. A controversial old theory says this, and someone thinks they may have found some evidence that there might be something to that theory. Now this discovery is up for peer review and discussion. It's quite interesting, though.

      I don't see any the explanation of spirituality here. Or why you'd need anything more than normal brain processes to explain that in any case.
      Ya, I think that is the whole point with spirituality. It usually can't be scientifically measured but neither can feelings. We can't see our feelings independent of ourselves (layed out on a table, for example). Which is why science says things like feelings aren't real, or are just chemical impulses that can be changed on a whim with another chemical impulse. Only that is so insulting to people.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by tobyjensen View Post

        Ya, I think that is the whole point with spirituality. It usually can't be scientifically measured but neither can feelings. We can't see our feelings independent of ourselves (layed out on a table, for example). Which is why science says things like feelings aren't real, or are just chemical impulses that can be changed on a whim with another chemical impulse. Only that is so insulting to people.
        Yes, it can. Maybe not in same way as radiation or electricity, but that doesn't mean that science isn't trying or succeeding. Ever heard of human science?

        Please show me a place where scientist says "feelings aren't real", and I'll show you a whackjob in a lab coat.

        Just because there's a biological and chemical background to brain processes and human experience doesn't diminish these phenomena. In my eyes it makes them much more interesting.
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