Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple

zoro · 1st Nov 2011, 05:32 PM

Found this amazing mobile site creation online tool.

It doesn't get any easier than than this: Mobile Websites Made Easy | Free Mobile Web Design | DudaMobile

zoro · 1st Nov 2011, 10:23 PM

Doesn't get much easier than this. They have a white lable version as well Create Free Mobile Sites or Pro Cell Phone Websites | DudaMobile

No, this is not an afilliate link.

What are your thoughts?

WillR · 1st Nov 2011, 11:16 PM

Personally when I am dealing with a large number of clients I don't want to have to rely on third party services like this... it can be dangerous. You are always going to be at the mercy of them. If something happens to that company you would be in a BIG mess. We all know it's not uncommon for technology startups to shut down just as quickly as they start up.

I know what some people are going to say. But you have to rely on hosting which is a 3rd party service. Yes, we do. But you don't have any choice. Hosting is something you need to outsource and you should always make a point of doing regular backups when possible because even hosting is not immune to failures.

All in all I am not a fan of these 3rd party services. If they spat out all the files and I was able to host them on my own domain without any ongoing connection to the company OR cost then I would be willing to give it a go... but they don't.

Once again it's just my personal preference.

zoro · 2nd Nov 2011, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by WillR

Personally when I am dealing with a large number of clients I don't want to have to rely on third party services like this... it can be dangerous. You are always going to be at the mercy of them. If something happens to that company you would be in a BIG mess. We all know it's not uncommon for technology startups to shut down just as quickly as they start up.

I know what some people are going to say. But you have to rely on hosting which is a 3rd party service. Yes, we do. But you don't have any choice. Hosting is something you need to outsource and you should always make a point of doing regular backups when possible because even hosting is not immune to failures.

All in all I am not a fan of these 3rd party services. If they spat out all the files and I was able to host them on my own domain without any ongoing connection to the company OR cost then I would be willing to give it a go... but they don't.

Once again it's just my personal preference.

Will, I bought your mobile WSO a few months ago and its very good. I hear what you say about third parties, and I agree. BUT, I just want to be able to knock sites up quickly, like .. 123.. Bam Done!! Or, partner with someone reliable to make mbl sites for me at a reasonable price.
I don't have the time to fluff around or learn about coding etc. I just want to be able to make and sell great looking mobile sites quickly.

menthenet · 3rd Nov 2011, 09:56 PM

The mobile sites look nice. I'll have to try them out. At least you can sign up as an affialate and get some recurring income.

Wild · 3rd Nov 2011, 10:30 PM

Do they put ads on them? Is there a monthly fee? What does that company get out of it?
Are they going to start charging. I'm with WillR on this... a little uncomfortable putting someone's business site up somewhere without knowing a lot about that company. You will get the call if it goes down, not the duda dudes..

kayetaylor · 15th Nov 2011, 01:59 AM

Thanks for sharing....

Mark_Austin · 15th Nov 2011, 02:18 AM

I agree with Will aslo, I'm not happy putting my business and my clients in the hands of a third party that I have no control over. If their system should go down it is you who will be getting it in the neck from your clients!

DimitrisL · 15th Nov 2011, 05:22 AM

Thank you for sharing. It seems a nice service but I'd prefer to have something that I can totally control. So, I'd agree on WillR's approach on it.

Thx for sharing!

Valeriu Popescu · 15th Nov 2011, 06:39 AM

Me too, I like to have complete control. Thx for the link anyway...

scarab · 15th Nov 2011, 08:22 AM

Right on Will.
3rd parties are heavily involved with Mobile Apps as well. The link is a good one but I think the idea of utilizing a 3rd party platform just adds another point in the process that cause problems down the road.

Huskerdarren · 15th Nov 2011, 10:54 AM

Agree with Will.

IMO, Internet marketing is about ownership for either me, or the client. Their website, mobile web, videos, articles etc are theirs to have and promote. Adwords, radio, TV, print media are limited time leases. Facebook and Google Places are great tools but just like Dudamobile, subject to the wishes of their owners. They may make changes in an instant that significantly impact your business. I'll admit that Duda is pretty slick. I hope they don't go mainstream anytime soon! That said, for the time being they aren't a big threat.

marketingwithjosh · 15th Nov 2011, 12:23 PM

No Way. I agree in that i would not go with a 3rd party site at all. If they gave the source code/files after generation, that'd be a different thing. I've tried a couple of "mobile website makers" and its all the same. I'd say its best to just get your hands on a mobile website template, and study the source and teach yourself how to add/remove/modify stuff... Thats what i'm doing now, and its working good, while teaching me valuable stuff.

Making the sites isnt my problem... It's selling them thats got me beat.

Josh

I just looked at dudamobile............ Lame! I'll stick with my methods for mobile website creation.
Easier to just do it yourself IMO!

joecarson1 · 15th Nov 2011, 10:23 PM

If you absolutely have no intention of creating the sites yourself [even at first] then Duda is an option.

ashleybs18 · 16th Nov 2011, 12:42 AM

I personally just went and bought a few cheap mobile sites from themeforest, checked out the source code, and then reproduced my own from them.

I actually just went ahead and started creating some BLANK versions of some really nice ones, and then when I actually obtain a client, I fill in those blanks. I am thinking of developing a php backend for my own purposes to fill in the blanks for me based on the criteria I put in fields. Because right now I am doing it manually.

bonn · 16th Nov 2011, 05:17 AM

templates are good. Make sure the CNAME records are setup and you have proper device detect and redirect scripts on your desktop site to make sure mobile users end up at your mobile sites

Mobileico · 19th Nov 2011, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by zoro

Found this amazing mobile site creation online tool.

It doesn't get any easier than than this: Mobile Websites Made Easy | Free Mobile Web Design | DudaMobile

I agree, and when you look at the event they just did in Mobile, Alabama to mobilize Alabama along with GOOGLE, I can be pretty happy knowing that this third party service is going to be here. They mobilized over 404 websites in two days. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/bu...sq=gomo&st=cse

bonn · 22nd Nov 2011, 11:12 AM

Google stole our brand with the whole gomo thing. haha I own a mobile site builder platform business and our short URL branding is Gomo. All our mobile sites are located at xxxx.gomo.io ---- And gomo was short for gomobile... which apparently google thought was a great idea.

PatchesDM · 22nd Nov 2011, 04:05 PM

If you use Wordpress for your site there are some pretty neat plugins to do that as well!

bonn · 22nd Nov 2011, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Belaljaigirdar@yahoo.com

I would like to have control over my business. I will not depend on 3rd party! BJ

Good! and you should. have fun scaling though

- If you only have a couple customers i think you're right --- don't depend on 3rd party. However if you're interested in building a scale-able business over the next several months and years, you better have a good plan for satisfying all your customers...

Everyone needs mobile... demand is going to shoot through the roof here in the next 9 months.... get ready to make a ton of money. Hopefully you dont have to hire development help to keep your sites up.

AppsFromHome · 22nd Nov 2011, 06:28 PM

I agree with Bonn.

I have experience on both ends of the spectrum and for me, it's about being able to scale and hit the masses with services. If I can produce a site almost instantly and add all the necessary features they require...it's a win/win situation.

I have been able to focus on getting clients which has results in A LOT more sales and subsequently upsell with SMS, SEO,etc...it's worked out quite well. =)

Someone mentioned technology start ups closing down just as quickly as they start up...but in this case, when you partner up with Google like Duda has - I'm okay with placing my bets with a 3rd party.

Mobileico · 22nd Nov 2011, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by SDotSpells

I agree with Bonn.

I have experience on both ends of the spectrum and for me, it's about being able to scale and hit the masses with services. If I can produce a site almost instantly and add all the necessary features they require...it's a win/win situation.

I have been able to focus on getting clients which has results in A LOT more sales and subsequently upsell with SMS, SEO,etc...it's worked out quite well. =)

Someone mentioned technology start ups closing down just as quickly as they start up...but in this case, when you partner up with Google like Duda has - I'm okay with placing my bets with a 3rd party.

Great insight

herbaluss · 23rd Nov 2011, 06:59 AM

I like this website to get ideas on how to make their mobile websites.

So basically run it through the website get the template they make and duplicate it in a template.

works for me

Dexx · 24th Nov 2011, 06:51 PM

I see both sides of the discussion here, but I personally just signed up for Dudamobile's reseller program.

This isn't a fly-by-night technology that might disappear, and it's not prone to abuse/spamming (such as trying to manipulate Google, YouTube, etc.) that requires algorithm changes.

In terms of Facebook's recent changes to fan pages, that was also due to abuse from hackers / viruses using loopholes in Facebook's system (hence the need to prove you are on a SSL server now)

So yes. I do very much place Dudemobile on the same level as requiring a hosting company.

In theory, based on some of the arguments here, I shouldn't be using any 3rd party provider since ANY of them can disappear in a moment's notice (in theory).

All I know is my team will be able to pump out mobile versions of websites--for sales meetings and implementation--within minutes...and charge $20-$30/mo for them. (with no $200+ setup fee to create a "custom" website for them...how many MORE mom and pop businesses will be willing to sign up)

With a $6 cost and a $25 (average) retail cost that leaves $19 in profit (not incl. team costs)

10 business = $190/ mo

25 business = $475/ mo

How long does it take to enter a businesses URL into Dudamobile, have it generate a mobile mockup of the website, and then send a screenshot of that mockup beside how the business' current website looks to a decision maker? A couple minutes at most.

Imagine (as a business owner) you receive an email that shows you a before vs after image of how your website could be looking to potential customers--not to mention the amount of sales lost due to a poorly optimized mobile website--and then throw in a "setup fee waived if implemented within the next X days" type of scarcity.

Close 2 business a day (weekdays only if you're lazy) for an entire year and you are looking at a $10,000/mo recurring income (or SIX FIGURE BUSINESS) after one year.

Sounds good to me.

Dudamobile isn't really doing much other than converting their existing website into mobile form...so it's not as if the client loses everything IF Dudamobile were to disappear...since I'm sure there'd be another solution that easily take the place of converting the same site to a mobile version.

2 minutes vs 20 minutes (if you're lucky) to setup a website...I'll place my bet on the one the gets me the most ROI.

Cheers,

~Dexx

ThunderingHerd · 24th Nov 2011, 09:25 PM

I totally agree with Dexx. - Focus on sales and the consistent cash flow then if you get 100's of customers start planning contingencies then.

Damielle · 24th Nov 2011, 09:42 PM

This is really slick and I like the service. I would have to think twice about using it for clients though.

As others have said, its risky not having full control of the service.

Randohm · 25th Nov 2011, 07:54 PM

I like the templates. Maybe I could offer a backup plan for clients who don't want to be at the mercy of the 3rd party for an extra charge. That way I'll save time with the ones that don't want the upsell and make money on the ones that do. Just a thought.

zoro · 28th Nov 2011, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Dexx

I see both sides of the discussion here, but I personally just signed up for Dudamobile's reseller program.

This isn't a fly-by-night technology that might disappear, and it's not prone to abuse/spamming (such as trying to manipulate Google, YouTube, etc.) that requires algorithm changes.

In terms of Facebook's recent changes to fan pages, that was also due to abuse from hackers / viruses using loopholes in Facebook's system (hence the need to prove you are on a SSL server now)

So yes. I do very much place Dudemobile on the same level as requiring a hosting company.

In theory, based on some of the arguments here, I shouldn't be using any 3rd party provider since ANY of them can disappear in a moment's notice (in theory).

All I know is my team will be able to pump out mobile versions of websites--for sales meetings and implementation--within minutes...and charge $20-$30/mo for them. (with no $200+ setup fee to create a "custom" website for them...how many MORE mom and pop businesses will be willing to sign up)

With a $6 cost and a $25 (average) retail cost that leaves $19 in profit (not incl. team costs)

10 business = $190/ mo

25 business = $475/ mo

How long does it take to enter a businesses URL into Dudamobile, have it generate a mobile mockup of the website, and then send a screenshot of that mockup beside how the business' current website looks to a decision maker? A couple minutes at most.

Imagine (as a business owner) you receive an email that shows you a before vs after image of how your website could be looking to potential customers--not to mention the amount of sales lost due to a poorly optimized mobile website--and then throw in a "setup fee waived if implemented within the next X days" type of scarcity.

Close 2 business a day (weekdays only if you're lazy) for an entire year and you are looking at a $10,000/mo recurring income (or SIX FIGURE BUSINESS) after one year.

Sounds good to me.

Dudamobile isn't really doing much other than converting their existing website into mobile form...so it's not as if the client loses everything IF Dudamobile were to disappear...since I'm sure there'd be another solution that easily take the place of converting the same site to a mobile version.

2 minutes vs 20 minutes (if you're lucky) to setup a website...I'll place my bet on the one the gets me the most ROI.

Cheers,

~Dexx

Yep, that's exactly what it's all about ... quick results, happy clients and making money. Why bother stuffing around with codes .. HTML .. PHP ..WP etc, etc. We're marketers, aren't we?

At the end of the day, if someone enjoys playing around with code for hours on end, let them go for it I say. But they'll be leaving a ton of money on the table.
I don't think Dudamobile or Google is going anywhere soon.

GetFacebookFriends · 28th Nov 2011, 04:41 AM

Thanks for the site. Easy is not the word. Thanks again

More Ideas · 28th Nov 2011, 06:46 AM

I see both sides of the argumen too, but I agree with Dexx's point - even if Duda went down, it wouldn't be that difficult to find an alternative. Also, the point about it being a numbers game: less profit per site, but sell more of them.

JosephLWarrencom · 28th Nov 2011, 12:26 PM

Hi Guys,.
Great views on both sides.
However, as business/company owner offering such services, My goal is to
offer our In-House created product/services due to the mind frame of...
"Branding" my company/business as their (the small business owner's) 'Go To Guy' !

Using 3-parties more then our own, gives me the feeling of being their .. Guy who "finds" stuff for other's.. I think it's called being a Middle-Man. Did enough of that selling Merchandize for SMC to Mom & Pop shops, thank you.

I can also see the Greener-Grass perks... I find alot of folks refer to them self's as
simply a Marketer. I'm an Internet-Marketer..dabber.. I have offered PLR-products. Find the Need & Fill it. Yup, There is money in it.

Although, IMer's who really kill-It and become a "Brand"...
create their own stuff. This is where I'm heading or my thought process in Offline, In my Local area.

Still boils down to .. To each their own!

WillR · 28th Nov 2011, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by More Ideas

I see both sides of the argumen too, but I agree with Dexx's point - even if Duda went down, it wouldn't be that difficult to find an alternative.

So if Duda went down and you had 20 mobile sites built with them, you'd find it easy to then go off and have to rebuild those 20 mobile websites elsewhere for your clients who have already paid?

If the company does not give me the files for the mobile website then I would NEVER use them to build my mobile websites for clients. Period. If you do so you are just asking for trouble.

Things change very quickly on the Internet.

Originally Posted by Dexx

So yes. I do very much place Dudemobile on the same level as requiring a hosting company.

IMO they are two very different things.

Having to rely on hosting is different to relying on a service like Duda. Hosting is necessary for every business and with proper backups, should something ever happen, you can very easily move your files over to a new host. The same cannot be said with services like this.

xichabodx · 28th Nov 2011, 06:50 PM

I like how you're able to convert a desktop site into a mobile-friendly one in just a matter of minutes, but I've been toying around with the site creator (using local restaurant websites) and am noticing that if there's flash on the desktop, or other glitches, it shows on the DudaMobile-created site as blank space or as a missing picture. Also, some of the layouts I've experimented with are clunky-looking on the mobile version

Granted, this is using the site editor that everyone has access to, so I'm not sure how customizable things are with a re-seller account. If there's a fix to all of this in the re-seller account, then I'll most definitely look into becoming a re-seller myself. If not, I'll either get WillR's or Quentin's WSOs.

Kevin AKA Hubcap · 28th Nov 2011, 09:49 PM

It would be a lot more helpful if they provided you with the underlying code.

As is, it's another tool in the toolbox. And as you know the more tools the better.

Some things that I noticed we're that some sites didn't translate well. I'm guessin' the advanced editor (which lets you add html/css) would be able to take care of that.

There are many templates but when you take a closer look there's a few base themes to which different icons and colors are added.

You can develop your own templates and if you stay in mobile marketing you'll develop a set of templates that you'll modify where appropriate so don't let the number of templates offered put "stars" in your eyes.

It's probably not something I'd use on a regular basis *but* you never know, so it goes into the toolbox.

Here's a question I have??

Often you make a mobile site without having a regular site (or even planning to make a regular site).

Does DudaMobile allow you to make a site not based on one that's already online??

Huskerdarren · 28th Nov 2011, 11:22 PM

Is that the finished product sometimes looks lousy. I did some testing and it will take a fair amount of time to further edit the mobile site that their system reconfigured to make it look right. (removing text, resizing photos, moving content around).

I think you're better off building a bunch of your own templates in HTML and adding in client content and photos to finish it off. It would take about an hour to build at most if it was already 80% done. If you got busy enough and put together good documentation, you could outsource builds for $5-$10 per site. Then if you're charging $25/Mo to host, you keep all $25 versus constantly giving Duda $6 a month for hosting and whatnot ($72/yr).

Also, if your client wants to host the site, I'd sell it for $200/$300 instead of the lease and be done with it. I'd be more comfortable handing over something I created. I don't want the cat to get out of the bag that I sold them something for $25 a month that they could get on their own for $9/month from Duda.

4webmaster · 29th Nov 2011, 01:38 AM

I totally agree with willR, for real mobile developers you need custom coded mobile sites then host it yourself, you have full control of it. Any problem? I can only see the hosting company you're at but most are reliable IMO or worse you can backup and move.

Winson Ng · 29th Nov 2011, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by zoro

Found this amazing mobile site creation online tool.

It doesn't get any easier than than this: Mobile Websites Made Easy | Free Mobile Web Design | DudaMobile

This is awesome..THanks !

Cheers,
Thinkmaverick.com

ttrfanatic · 29th Nov 2011, 11:32 AM

Zoro,

I'm in the camp of creating these sites yourself and supplying them to your clients for ownership. If you are looking to partner up with someone that can crank out the mobile sites, let me know and we can work out a fantastic deal.

I can't PM since I don't have enough posts yet so I thought I would post here.

DeeAdams · 29th Nov 2011, 01:10 PM

Great discussion! I have been pondering this issue in the past few weeks and I’ve tried many different CMS’s, Including Duda.

What I found was that neither one of them is doing a great job at converting your site and there is still a fair amount of modifications that need to be made. For example, Duda gave me the message: “could not locate your navigation”.

It might just be easier to create the pages from scratch using any of the tools out there than letting the tool convert it for you and then try to edit the pages.

Regarding ownership – while it feels more comfortable and “safe” to own the websites then to trust a black box somewhere, there is still the issue of keeping up with technology and scalability. Technology is changing rapidly and someone has to keep up with it. If you own it you are the one who has to do it, if the “blackbox” owns it – they are the ones doing it for you. If you have 200 client websites that you host yourself, that’s a lot of code to change.

What do you guys think of Wordpress as a platform for Mobile websites development?

4webmaster · 29th Nov 2011, 02:49 PM

The problem with WP is you'll need to have a upgrade if WP change it version.
The best will be custom development because people using wordpress as site can use WP plugins (free or fee) that transform site to mobile instantly. Not really accurate.

TextRock · 31st Jan 2012, 04:48 PM

Duda mobile is not gonna just go down they host over a million sites and its a great tool! Its almost a necessity to use 3rd parties! Hosting providers, Payment processors, suppliers, wholesalers the list could be a mile long and we don't just stop using them because they might not be there the one day!

bonn · 31st Jan 2012, 05:11 PM

There is also another mobile marketing point to be made here... Mobile websites are not just limited to MOBILE OPTIMIZED VERSIONS of desktop websites... Mobile is about being highly targeted, lightweight and relevant.

If you're running a solid text message marketing campaign, you should have a link in there to a highly targeted mobile landing page with information harvesting action items, vibrant media and message to the customer...

If you're running a mobile ad campaign, your advertisements destination URL MUST be a mobile web landing page! And if you're any good at Search Engine Marketing, you know you should have MANY mobile campaigns going, with many different landing pages to optimize your message and calls to action to find what works best...otherwise you're wasting money and missing out on business

In both of these examples, you just need any given mobile campaign site to be up and running for the duration of the marketing campaign (typically 1 week to 2 months). A lot of people will start to realize the value of this in bringing their clients business locally and via mobile search engines.

Go ahead --- build your sites off of CMS platforms if you're worried about them going down... But remember, when you're getting ready to launch highly targeted and effective mobile marketing campaigns, you're going fall in love with, and always use dependable, scalable, efficient, mobile content management platforms that include hosting, theme management etc, QR Code management, and short url management.

Happy mobile marketing folks!

--Your very own mobile CMS fanboy and developer

WillR · 31st Jan 2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by bonn

There is also another mobile marketing point to be made here... Mobile websites are not just limited to MOBILE OPTIMIZED VERSIONS of desktop websites... Mobile is about being highly targeted, lightweight and relevant.

If you're running a solid text message marketing campaign, you should have a link in there to a highly targeted mobile landing page with information harvesting action items, vibrant media and message to the customer...

If you're running a mobile ad campaign, your advertisements destination URL MUST be a mobile web landing page! And if you're any good at Search Engine Marketing, you know you should have MANY mobile campaigns going, with many different landing pages to optimize your message and calls to action to find what works best...otherwise you're wasting money and missing out on business

In both of these examples, you just need any given mobile campaign site to be up and running for the duration of the marketing campaign (typically 1 week to 2 months). A lot of people will start to realize the value of this in bringing their clients business locally and via mobile search engines.

Go ahead --- build your sites off of CMS platforms if you're worried about them going down... But remember, when you're getting ready to launch highly targeted and effective mobile marketing campaigns, you're going fall in love with, and always use dependable, scalable, efficient, mobile content management platforms that include hosting, theme management etc, QR Code management, and short url management.

Happy mobile marketing folks!

--Your very own mobile CMS fanboy and developer

I don't agree.

Business must be going very well for you guys. I am forever deleting the self-promotional posts you and your other employees put in this forum. Not the sign of a successful company AT ALL.

Originally Posted by TextRock

Duda mobile is not gonna just go down they host over a million sites and its a great tool! Its almost a necessity to use 3rd parties! Hosting providers, Payment processors, suppliers, wholesalers the list could be a mile long and we don't just stop using them because they might not be there the one day!

There is a BIG difference to relying on things such as payment processors and the like, things that YOU rely on for YOUR business to operate. The truth is you should always have a back up provider for important services like that. If you don't, that's your own fault should something ever happen.

But the problem we are talking about here is when you unnecessarily rely on third party solutions for services and products you are providing to and charging your customers good money for.

That is a worry.

Oh, and if you think because duda mobile hosts thousands of sites that they aren't going anywhere in a hurry, you probably would have said the same about companies like MySpace right? Never say never. Technology based companies have the highest rate of failure.

bonn · 31st Jan 2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by WillR

I don't agree.

Business must be going very well for you guys. I am forever deleting the self-promotional posts you and your other employees put in this forum. Not the sign of a successful company AT ALL.

I genuinely don't mean to offend... I just genuinely believe in mobile CMS's. In all honesty i very frequently advise people in this forum to research any and all mobile CMS and mobile template's solutions. Actually -- i frequently promote yours and quintins too!

Soooo -- again, i don't mean to offend.

If i am, thank you for sharing and ill definitely slow down on the self promotion for sure if its actually not helping anyone...

WillR · 31st Jan 2012, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by bonn

I genuinely don't mean to offend... I just genuinely believe in mobile CMS's. In all honesty i very frequently advise people in this forum to research any and all mobile CMS and mobile template's solutions. Actually -- i frequently promote yours and quintins too!

Soooo -- again, i don't mean to offend.

If i am, thank you for sharing and ill definitely slow down on the self promotion for sure if its actually not helping anyone...

By all means join in and offer your advice. It's when a lot of those posts lead to you including a link back to your service or "check out the service in our sig" type comments that it becomes self promotional.

From my own experience you will get a lot more people wanting to check out your service if you just offer up real, unbiased advice. People are naturally going to want to check out your service if they see you know what you're talking about. But very rarely do people like those who toot their own horn.

Just saying. It's no problem and I have seen plenty of informative posts from you but just resist the temptation to self promote as the posts end up being deleted and you end up having wasted your time in writing the post.

You handled my criticism well so no hard feelings at all... I hope.

bonn · 31st Jan 2012, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by WillR

By all means join in and offer your advice. It's when a lot of those posts lead to you including a link back to your service or "check out the service in our sig" type comments that it becomes self promotional.

From my own experience you will get a lot more people wanting to check out your service if you just offer up real, unbiased advice. People are naturally going to want to check out your service if they see you know what you're talking about. But very rarely do people like those who toot their own horn.

Just saying. It's no problem and I have seen plenty of informative posts from you but just resist the temptation to self promote as the posts end up being deleted and you end up having wasted your time in writing the post.

You handled my criticism well so no hard feelings at all... I hope.

Thank you for your concern and advice. You're obviously a veteran member here. Ill bite my tongue on the self promo from now on.

Mary Wilhite · 31st Jan 2012, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by WillR

Personally when I am dealing with a large number of clients I don't want to have to rely on third party services like this... it can be dangerous. You are always going to be at the mercy of them. If something happens to that company you would be in a BIG mess. We all know it's not uncommon for technology startups to shut down just as quickly as they start up.

I know what some people are going to say. But you have to rely on hosting which is a 3rd party service. Yes, we do. But you don't have any choice. Hosting is something you need to outsource and you should always make a point of doing regular backups when possible because even hosting is not immune to failures.

All in all I am not a fan of these 3rd party services. If they spat out all the files and I was able to host them on my own domain without any ongoing connection to the company OR cost then I would be willing to give it a go... but they don't.

Once again it's just my personal preference.

Originally Posted by zoro

Will, I bought your mobile WSO a few months ago and its very good. I hear what you say about third parties, and I agree. BUT, I just want to be able to knock sites up quickly, like .. 123.. Bam Done!! Or, partner with someone reliable to make mbl sites for me at a reasonable price.
I don't have the time to fluff around or learn about coding etc. I just want to be able to make and sell great looking mobile sites quickly.

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I totally agree with you. But it would be good if this kind of system will really make lives easier in setting up a mobile website. Just really have to make sure that possible advantages and disadvantages are all laid down.

Mary

SoCalMarketing · 1st Feb 2012, 03:01 PM

This is one of the best threads I have found, especially on mobile marketing. Good balance of opinions from two sides of the coin. Will and Bonn both make great points and there are supporters to both views. As in so many things in life, it comes down to our preferences and abilities I suppose. I also prefer having the control over the content/process and have indeed found that to be limiting in terms scaleability so I am considering switching to the other camp. Thank you all for expressing your views, I have found the information of great value..

FrankEdens · 1st Feb 2012, 04:25 PM

It's great, but with some ads on the pages. juk...

Jimania · 2nd Feb 2012, 02:25 PM

Creating a mobile site is really not a difficult. It also provides you with total control and the ability to truly "make it right". Using a third party services carries some risks, and has a lot of limitations on your ability to drive the process. Having your mobile site on the client's server is an advantage in many ways.

Using a "create a mobile site instantly" program is not a best practice. Mobile sites have unique needs for load time, usability, etc. I do not believe there are acceptable shortcuts to doing a good mobile site.

1st Nov 2011, 05:32 PM	#1
zoro Online for Offline War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Qld. Australia. Posts: 1,628 Thanks: 351 Thanked 222 Times in 191 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Found this amazing mobile site creation online tool. It doesn't get any easier than than this: Mobile Websites Made Easy \| Free Mobile Web Design \| DudaMobile

1st Nov 2011, 10:23 PM	#2
zoro Online for Offline War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Qld. Australia. Posts: 1,628 Thanks: 351 Thanked 222 Times in 191 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Doesn't get much easier than this. They have a white lable version as well Create Free Mobile Sites or Pro Cell Phone Websites \| DudaMobile No, this is not an afilliate link. What are your thoughts?

1st Nov 2011, 11:16 PM	#3
WillR Digital Marketer War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 12,475 Thanks: 1,984 Thanked 8,187 Times in 4,079 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Personally when I am dealing with a large number of clients I don't want to have to rely on third party services like this... it can be dangerous. You are always going to be at the mercy of them. If something happens to that company you would be in a BIG mess. We all know it's not uncommon for technology startups to shut down just as quickly as they start up. I know what some people are going to say. But you have to rely on hosting which is a 3rd party service. Yes, we do. But you don't have any choice. Hosting is something you need to outsource and you should always make a point of doing regular backups when possible because even hosting is not immune to failures. All in all I am not a fan of these 3rd party services. If they spat out all the files and I was able to host them on my own domain without any ongoing connection to the company OR cost then I would be willing to give it a go... but they don't. Once again it's just my personal preference.
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3rd Nov 2011, 09:56 PM	#5
menthenet Active Warrior Join Date: 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 47 Thanks: 32 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: The mobile sites look nice. I'll have to try them out. At least you can sign up as an affialate and get some recurring income.

3rd Nov 2011, 10:30 PM	#6
Wild Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 81 Thanks: 27 Thanked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Do they put ads on them? Is there a monthly fee? What does that company get out of it? Are they going to start charging. I'm with WillR on this... a little uncomfortable putting someone's business site up somewhere without knowing a lot about that company. You will get the call if it goes down, not the duda dudes..

15th Nov 2011, 01:59 AM	#7
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15th Nov 2011, 02:18 AM	#8
Mark_Austin Coach War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 229 Thanks: 73 Thanked 128 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I agree with Will aslo, I'm not happy putting my business and my clients in the hands of a third party that I have no control over. If their system should go down it is you who will be getting it in the neck from your clients!
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15th Nov 2011, 05:22 AM	#9
DimitrisL Warrior Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Thank you for sharing. It seems a nice service but I'd prefer to have something that I can totally control. So, I'd agree on WillR's approach on it. Thx for sharing!

15th Nov 2011, 06:39 AM	#10
Valeriu Popescu "Working On A Dream" War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Where I like... Posts: 180 Thanks: 13 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Me too, I like to have complete control. Thx for the link anyway...
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15th Nov 2011, 08:22 AM	#11
scarab Making It Happen Join Date: 2010 Location: Everywhere Posts: 159 Thanks: 42 Thanked 20 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Right on Will. 3rd parties are heavily involved with Mobile Apps as well. The link is a good one but I think the idea of utilizing a 3rd party platform just adds another point in the process that cause problems down the road.

15th Nov 2011, 10:54 AM	#12
Huskerdarren HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2010 Posts: 292 Thanks: 78 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Agree with Will. IMO, Internet marketing is about ownership for either me, or the client. Their website, mobile web, videos, articles etc are theirs to have and promote. Adwords, radio, TV, print media are limited time leases. Facebook and Google Places are great tools but just like Dudamobile, subject to the wishes of their owners. They may make changes in an instant that significantly impact your business. I'll admit that Duda is pretty slick. I hope they don't go mainstream anytime soon! That said, for the time being they aren't a big threat.

15th Nov 2011, 12:23 PM	#13
marketingwithjosh Wintery Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 30 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: No Way. I agree in that i would not go with a 3rd party site at all. If they gave the source code/files after generation, that'd be a different thing. I've tried a couple of "mobile website makers" and its all the same. I'd say its best to just get your hands on a mobile website template, and study the source and teach yourself how to add/remove/modify stuff... Thats what i'm doing now, and its working good, while teaching me valuable stuff. Making the sites isnt my problem... It's selling them thats got me beat. Josh I just looked at dudamobile............ Lame! I'll stick with my methods for mobile website creation. Easier to just do it yourself IMO!
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15th Nov 2011, 10:23 PM	#14
joecarson1 Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 94 Thanks: 131 Thanked 96 Times in 42 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: If you absolutely have no intention of creating the sites yourself [even at first] then Duda is an option.

16th Nov 2011, 12:42 AM	#15
ashleybs18 Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Nicaragua and the US Posts: 81 Thanks: 10 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I personally just went and bought a few cheap mobile sites from themeforest, checked out the source code, and then reproduced my own from them. I actually just went ahead and started creating some BLANK versions of some really nice ones, and then when I actually obtain a client, I fill in those blanks. I am thinking of developing a php backend for my own purposes to fill in the blanks for me based on the criteria I put in fields. Because right now I am doing it manually.
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16th Nov 2011, 05:17 AM	#16
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22nd Nov 2011, 11:12 AM	#18
bonn Mobile Site Wizzard! War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Scottsdale / Santa Monica Posts: 174 Thanks: 4 Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Google stole our brand with the whole gomo thing. haha I own a mobile site builder platform business and our short URL branding is Gomo. All our mobile sites are located at xxxx.gomo.io ---- And gomo was short for gomobile... which apparently google thought was a great idea.
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22nd Nov 2011, 04:05 PM	#19
PatchesDM WGTKAK.COM Join Date: 2011 Location: Harvey's Lake, Pennsylvania Posts: 70 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: If you use Wordpress for your site there are some pretty neat plugins to do that as well!
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22nd Nov 2011, 06:28 PM	#21
AppsFromHome Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 528 Thanks: 269 Thanked 218 Times in 146 Posts Blog Entries: 1	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I agree with Bonn. I have experience on both ends of the spectrum and for me, it's about being able to scale and hit the masses with services. If I can produce a site almost instantly and add all the necessary features they require...it's a win/win situation. I have been able to focus on getting clients which has results in A LOT more sales and subsequently upsell with SMS, SEO,etc...it's worked out quite well. =) Someone mentioned technology start ups closing down just as quickly as they start up...but in this case, when you partner up with Google like Duda has - I'm okay with placing my bets with a 3rd party.

23rd Nov 2011, 06:59 AM	#23
herbaluss HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Ontario , Canada Posts: 128 Thanks: 15 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I like this website to get ideas on how to make their mobile websites. So basically run it through the website get the template they make and duplicate it in a template. works for me

24th Nov 2011, 06:51 PM	#24
Dexx Offline Consultant War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,918 Thanks: 674 Thanked 664 Times in 334 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I see both sides of the discussion here, but I personally just signed up for Dudamobile's reseller program. This isn't a fly-by-night technology that might disappear, and it's not prone to abuse/spamming (such as trying to manipulate Google, YouTube, etc.) that requires algorithm changes. In terms of Facebook's recent changes to fan pages, that was also due to abuse from hackers / viruses using loopholes in Facebook's system (hence the need to prove you are on a SSL server now) So yes. I do very much place Dudemobile on the same level as requiring a hosting company. In theory, based on some of the arguments here, I shouldn't be using any 3rd party provider since ANY of them can disappear in a moment's notice (in theory). All I know is my team will be able to pump out mobile versions of websites--for sales meetings and implementation--within minutes...and charge $20-$30/mo for them. (with no $200+ setup fee to create a "custom" website for them...how many MORE mom and pop businesses will be willing to sign up) With a $6 cost and a $25 (average) retail cost that leaves $19 in profit (not incl. team costs) 10 business = $190/ mo 25 business = $475/ mo How long does it take to enter a businesses URL into Dudamobile, have it generate a mobile mockup of the website, and then send a screenshot of that mockup beside how the business' current website looks to a decision maker? A couple minutes at most. Imagine (as a business owner) you receive an email that shows you a before vs after image of how your website could be looking to potential customers--not to mention the amount of sales lost due to a poorly optimized mobile website--and then throw in a "setup fee waived if implemented within the next X days" type of scarcity. Close 2 business a day (weekdays only if you're lazy) for an entire year and you are looking at a $10,000/mo recurring income (or SIX FIGURE BUSINESS) after one year. Sounds good to me. Dudamobile isn't really doing much other than converting their existing website into mobile form...so it's not as if the client loses everything IF Dudamobile were to disappear...since I'm sure there'd be another solution that easily take the place of converting the same site to a mobile version. 2 minutes vs 20 minutes (if you're lucky) to setup a website...I'll place my bet on the one the gets me the most ROI. Cheers, ~Dexx

24th Nov 2011, 09:25 PM	#25
ThunderingHerd Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 28 Thanks: 20 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I totally agree with Dexx. - Focus on sales and the consistent cash flow then if you get 100's of customers start planning contingencies then.

24th Nov 2011, 09:42 PM	#26
Damielle damielle.com War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Jamaica Posts: 172 Thanks: 20 Thanked 37 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: This is really slick and I like the service. I would have to think twice about using it for clients though. As others have said, its risky not having full control of the service.
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25th Nov 2011, 07:54 PM	#27
Randohm Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Saint Paul, MN Posts: 50 Thanks: 24 Thanked 25 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I like the templates. Maybe I could offer a backup plan for clients who don't want to be at the mercy of the 3rd party for an extra charge. That way I'll save time with the ones that don't want the upsell and make money on the ones that do. Just a thought.

28th Nov 2011, 04:41 AM	#29
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28th Nov 2011, 06:46 AM	#30
More Ideas Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 25 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I see both sides of the argumen too, but I agree with Dexx's point - even if Duda went down, it wouldn't be that difficult to find an alternative. Also, the point about it being a numbers game: less profit per site, but sell more of them.

28th Nov 2011, 12:26 PM	#31
JosephLWarrencom JosephLWarren War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Hi Guys,. Great views on both sides. However, as business/company owner offering such services, My goal is to offer our In-House created product/services due to the mind frame of... "Branding" my company/business as their (the small business owner's) 'Go To Guy' ! Using 3-parties more then our own, gives me the feeling of being their .. Guy who "finds" stuff for other's.. I think it's called being a Middle-Man. Did enough of that selling Merchandize for SMC to Mom & Pop shops, thank you. I can also see the Greener-Grass perks... I find alot of folks refer to them self's as simply a Marketer. I'm an Internet-Marketer..dabber.. I have offered PLR-products. Find the Need & Fill it. Yup, There is money in it. Although, IMer's who really kill-It and become a "Brand"... create their own stuff. This is where I'm heading or my thought process in Offline, In my Local area. Still boils down to .. To each their own!
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28th Nov 2011, 06:50 PM	#33
xichabodx HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Alabama Posts: 168 Thanks: 76 Thanked 96 Times in 56 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I like how you're able to convert a desktop site into a mobile-friendly one in just a matter of minutes, but I've been toying around with the site creator (using local restaurant websites) and am noticing that if there's flash on the desktop, or other glitches, it shows on the DudaMobile-created site as blank space or as a missing picture. Also, some of the layouts I've experimented with are clunky-looking on the mobile version Granted, this is using the site editor that everyone has access to, so I'm not sure how customizable things are with a re-seller account. If there's a fix to all of this in the re-seller account, then I'll most definitely look into becoming a re-seller myself. If not, I'll either get WillR's or Quentin's WSOs.

28th Nov 2011, 09:49 PM	#34
Kevin AKA Hubcap Flyin' Low & Slow War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 1,182 Thanks: 55 Thanked 179 Times in 133 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: It would be a lot more helpful if they provided you with the underlying code. As is, it's another tool in the toolbox. And as you know the more tools the better. Some things that I noticed we're that some sites didn't translate well. I'm guessin' the advanced editor (which lets you add html/css) would be able to take care of that. There are many templates but when you take a closer look there's a few base themes to which different icons and colors are added. You can develop your own templates and if you stay in mobile marketing you'll develop a set of templates that you'll modify where appropriate so don't let the number of templates offered put "stars" in your eyes. It's probably not something I'd use on a regular basis but you never know, so it goes into the toolbox. Here's a question I have?? Often you make a mobile site without having a regular site (or even planning to make a regular site). Does DudaMobile allow you to make a site not based on one that's already online??

28th Nov 2011, 11:22 PM	#35
Huskerdarren HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2010 Posts: 292 Thanks: 78 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	The problem with Duda... Share on: Is that the finished product sometimes looks lousy. I did some testing and it will take a fair amount of time to further edit the mobile site that their system reconfigured to make it look right. (removing text, resizing photos, moving content around). I think you're better off building a bunch of your own templates in HTML and adding in client content and photos to finish it off. It would take about an hour to build at most if it was already 80% done. If you got busy enough and put together good documentation, you could outsource builds for $5-$10 per site. Then if you're charging $25/Mo to host, you keep all $25 versus constantly giving Duda $6 a month for hosting and whatnot ($72/yr). Also, if your client wants to host the site, I'd sell it for $200/$300 instead of the lease and be done with it. I'd be more comfortable handing over something I created. I don't want the cat to get out of the bag that I sold them something for $25 a month that they could get on their own for $9/month from Duda.
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29th Nov 2011, 01:38 AM	#36
4webmaster Advanced Warrior Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 736 Thanks: 33 Thanked 144 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: I totally agree with willR, for real mobile developers you need custom coded mobile sites then host it yourself, you have full control of it. Any problem? I can only see the hosting company you're at but most are reliable IMO or worse you can backup and move.
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29th Nov 2011, 11:32 AM	#38
ttrfanatic Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 61 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Zoro, I'm in the camp of creating these sites yourself and supplying them to your clients for ownership. If you are looking to partner up with someone that can crank out the mobile sites, let me know and we can work out a fantastic deal. I can't PM since I don't have enough posts yet so I thought I would post here.

29th Nov 2011, 01:10 PM	#39
DeeAdams MobileWebsites Specialist War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California Posts: 29 Thanks: 26 Thanked 15 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Great discussion! I have been pondering this issue in the past few weeks and I’ve tried many different CMS’s, Including Duda. What I found was that neither one of them is doing a great job at converting your site and there is still a fair amount of modifications that need to be made. For example, Duda gave me the message: “could not locate your navigation”. It might just be easier to create the pages from scratch using any of the tools out there than letting the tool convert it for you and then try to edit the pages. Regarding ownership – while it feels more comfortable and “safe” to own the websites then to trust a black box somewhere, there is still the issue of keeping up with technology and scalability. Technology is changing rapidly and someone has to keep up with it. If you own it you are the one who has to do it, if the “blackbox” owns it – they are the ones doing it for you. If you have 200 client websites that you host yourself, that’s a lot of code to change. What do you guys think of Wordpress as a platform for Mobile websites development?

29th Nov 2011, 02:49 PM	#40
4webmaster Advanced Warrior Join Date: 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 736 Thanks: 33 Thanked 144 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: The problem with WP is you'll need to have a upgrade if WP change it version. The best will be custom development because people using wordpress as site can use WP plugins (free or fee) that transform site to mobile instantly. Not really accurate.
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31st Jan 2012, 04:48 PM	#41
TextRock Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 17 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: Duda mobile is not gonna just go down they host over a million sites and its a great tool! Its almost a necessity to use 3rd parties! Hosting providers, Payment processors, suppliers, wholesalers the list could be a mile long and we don't just stop using them because they might not be there the one day!

31st Jan 2012, 05:11 PM	#42
bonn Mobile Site Wizzard! War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Scottsdale / Santa Monica Posts: 174 Thanks: 4 Thanked 36 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Instantly turns any website into a mobile site .. so simple Share on: There is also another mobile marketing point to be made here... Mobile websites are not just limited to MOBILE OPTIMIZED VERSIONS of desktop websites... Mobile is about being highly targeted, lightweight and relevant. If you're running a solid text message marketing campaign, you should have a link in there to a highly targeted mobile landing page with information harvesting action items, vibrant media and message to the customer... If you're running a mobile ad campaign, your advertisements destination URL MUST be a mobile web landing page! And if you're any good at Search Engine Marketing, you know you should have MANY mobile campaigns going, with many different landing pages to optimize your message and calls to action to find what works best...otherwise you're wasting money and missing out on business In both of these examples, you just need any given mobile campaign site to be up and running for the duration of the marketing campaign (typically 1 week to 2 months). A lot of people will start to realize the value of this in bringing their clients business locally and via mobile search engines. Go ahead --- build your sites off of CMS platforms if you're worried about them going down... But remember, when you're getting ready to launch highly targeted and effective mobile marketing campaigns, you're going fall in love with, and always use dependable, scalable, efficient, mobile content management platforms that include hosting, theme management etc, QR Code management, and short url management. Happy mobile marketing folks! --Your very own mobile CMS fanboy and developer
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