TommyTom

Did you really just refer to someone as a "stupid human"? What are you? Some sort of advanced homosapian being that blesses us with your awesome human communication skills? You then go on about how you were banging his girl last night ... right, lol. You realize this guy lives on the other side of the planet? Oh wait, of course you do. You were just trying to "act" like a 12 year old to showcase your acting talents. Bravo young chap, bravo.

And FFS ... please stop with the "we" and the "our" comments. We get that you are App29's little sidekick. But coming on here and saying how you have male/male/female threesomes is just sick and inappropriate.

IMVIKING

people often go to a mobile website and check it out, with an app you have to install it which most people won't prefer

dennism70

It was just some friendly advice to a WP newbie and App expert. That its so obvious is the first and most overlooked security risk by those new to WP. That means a real hacker only has to let any of his programs retrieve the password!

As I do find security IMPORTANT for both me and MY CLIENTS I do check those things on all my sites. I'm not a hacker, but I do test my sites for those security risks.

And because I was feeling sorry for you guys I did also check the website in order to see if buying your service would be safe in usage.

All apps I would build with your service and all my info in the database ARE NOT SECURE. So if I would build apps using your service I would bring my clients at risk, which is the last thing I would like to do.

Just be happy I pointed it out to you before a real hacker makes it clear to you and worst, to all people using your service!

Your welcome for the advice

dennism70

That goes for online searches for sure. But apps are also getting searched in the market places. Find out the most common searches for apps and you will now what kind of apps will be an asset to the marketing mix. Google does provide this kind off data.

I'm not in to apps perse, so I can't point out where Google show those results, but I heard from relaible sourches (app makers) that its available to the public just like adword.

hotel001

application one of the user and human work reduced. and mobile websites are application run the mobile websites.

hotel001

Application one of the user and human work reduced. and mobile websites are application run the mobile websites.

NerdGary

The whole idea of listing in an app market is to CATCH the mobile traffic. Mobile phone users, I would say 99.9% of them DL their apps on app markets. You NEED a native app.. see my sig. Create Native Apps easily.

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AyoyA

Goes either way. If no need for an app then just make a site.
Some clients need a mobile site (or responsive site) and a mobile app for specific thing.

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DaneSebastion

Hi there,

Anybody here in the Apps marketing area that can provide advice on which Apps builder is the best for providing my local businesses an App with push notifications etc etc. It needs to be able to do Apple, Android and maybe put out a html5 mobile page as well.

Cheers

Dane

Daniel LaRusso

I question anyone who says they have created 300+ apps for businesses - or at least how they are defining "apps". A lot of mobile marketers use the phrases "mobile apps" and "mobile websites" differently to business owners. When most people hear the phrase "apps", they think about iPhone apps, which are still the dominant player, although Android is catching up.

The thing is, all of us know about the strict approval process that Apple has, and the value they place on their user experience. There is no such approval process for Android, unless you're submitting the app to the Amazon App Store.

The bottom line, to me, is that you have to look at the intended purpose of an app or mobile website. For a vast majority of businesses, the purpose of either is for someone to be able to find/consume goods or services from that business or enhance the user experience through things like menus, reservation assistance or monitoring, or learn more. A lot of businesses can achieve all that can be done with an app by using a mobile website, and the potential users don't have to go through multiple steps, and you as a developer don't have to go through multiple steps.

Think about yourself in how you use apps. And think about something like Papa Johns pizza or something. I think they have an app and a mobile website, and they both can let you do the same basic things. You can choose and order a pizza to be picked up or delivered. How many people are more prone to go to papajohns.com on their browser to do this, vs going to the app store, searching for papa johns, downloading the app, installing the app, and learning to use the app?

Apps have their place, but I think the hype is coming from people with a vested interest in promoting their product or service. Something like a church, a gym, a sports team, and many others can benefit from an app.

But to me, at the end of the day, the answer is - whatever is right for the business and the consumers that business is serving.

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Dan Hower

I would say combine them.

Thanks to the WF I am to beginning to understand why apps are appropriate for
some types of businesses as well as mobile sites for other types of businesses.

I have bought all the WSOs in both areas and must say I have learned a lot from
them especially since I had a worldwide project in mind already before and I was
really searching for information.

I am working on a really big project which was to be mobile websites only but now
shortly before introducing it to the market I have stopped and will take the time to
integrate apps as well.

Of course once it is ready for the roll out I will show here what I made by combining
all that WSO information

Dante2k

Hi. All this talk about the app versus mobile site is all well and good. But what I need to know and can't find anyone explaining is exactly how an app is installed onto the phone and implemented. I understand that mobile sites remain on the hosting server and users view it there, fine. We're told apps are loaded onto the phone. Great but how??

If you really want to "help each other" how about someone explain (or point to the info source) the steps to actually using an app from our client's site who simply wants to get it into his customer's phone so he can send push notices and ads:

1-Exactly how is the app moved from my website/desktop to the user's phone? Can it be done without using a third party service who charges you?
2-How does he send his push notice or ad to reach out to his list?

All the comparisons in the world about apps won't help if we don't even know how to implement them, right?

Thanks

wislndixie

Is it also doable for the other OS's?

Just google "how to add a shortcut on your homescreen" and you'll find plenty of sites to show you how easy it is, especially for android. Once done, all you have to do is tap your image and your mobile website opens up just like a mobile app would on your phone.

You can create mobile apps super easy for FREE at appgeyser.com
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wislndixie

Once your mobile app is created, it must be "hosted" somewhere so it can be downloaded into the users phone. The user is better served by downloading the app directly into their phone from wherever the app is hosted. If you don't want to use a third party service like google play, appgeyser and others then in your example above, your client can upload the app to his own server. Then he needs to create a download link so that the user can go to the clients site with their phone, click on the link and download it to their phone. Once it's downloaded, the phone will self install the app.

Here is a link on how to create a download link using a button on your own website: How to Create a Download Button: 6 steps - wikiHow

Hope this helps.

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TimeTravelAgent

I prefer apps for the pros you mentioned. Besides, most of them can be accessed offline, so you're targeting a much bigger audience.

profitableblog

Incredible thread with tons of energy! A couple of thoughts come to mind:

If you have an app, you still need a mobile website since new visitors will come through smartphones. However, if you have a mobile website (web app), you may not need a native app.

If you don't have a significant amount of either foot traffic or website traffic, it seems to me a native app is not optimal because you will just be lost in 500,000 Itunes apps without downloads. I'm always surprised to find some apps that are unbelievably cool but are dead in the water because nobody can find them - a couple of sports ones come to mind but I'm not going to list them so it doesn't appear I'm selling or marketing something.

I'd love to see a thread of "undiscovered" cool apps but it would probably just become a marketing link. If anyone has some low/undiscovered games or business apps that are cool - I'd love to see them as they are a great way to build things for customers and we can all benefit IMHO. Anybody else agree?

Feel free to PM to me if you don't want to look like you are marketing since 2 or more people in this thread are already banned....

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dennism70

Even if a app is the way to go for you, consider this:

1. Where are people gonna find your app?
Like someone else mentioned there are enough apps not being noticed. So you need a web presence to. Now on what device do people tend to find you? I.e. you need a mobile website for that.

2. Instance pushbutton?
Instance pushbutton notification is in my opinion overrated, since a mobile website can be updated realtime to and because the user will will be online they will see the updates, so its like an instance notification!

3. Offline vs online?
An app can be used offline, sure. But needs to be online to update i.e. new download. So the offline content is as fresh as the last time updated. A mobile website, also the ones acting like an app, are always up to date.

4. Marketing?
Both can be marketed very efficient with the same tools. Apps are covered in the marketplace where mobile websites are not, but this can be covered by transferring your mobisite to an app or let the mobile website be downloaded and pinned to the homescreen.

5. Uses?
One advantage for sure is that the app can be a program, game or similair which can't be done with a mobile website.

My conclusion;
Putting your efforts on only an app are not the way to go since for marketing purposes and findability you do need an online presence as well. And the risk with an app is that if ones decided to delete an app they will not download it a second time in many cases since the app name is the recognistion part. And apps do get deleted a lot A mobile website can be found again on different content and keywords and therefor be a new boost for looking at it. So you will always need online or offline print to keep the app alive.And offline is offcourse more expensive, so online is a must for ROI matters. And since users will be mobile users you need the online to be mobile to i.e. a mobile website. i think its better to go the other way around and use apps as an addition to your mobile presence.

Use both where possible

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WillR

Those stats above don't really mean much to me.

Yes, people definitely spend a lot of time on apps but that doesn't mean anything to the local business owner. The reason that graph above shows peoples spending more time on apps is because most people use just a couple of apps all the time. Things like Facebook, Twitter, and popular games such as Angry Birds. They are things you use constantly. What those stats do NOT show you though is all the other apps people have installed on their phone that they never touch after install.

If you are a small local business then it makes a lot more sense to have a mobile web presence rather than an app. It's definitely not a case of either or. You HAVE to have a mobile web presence. Whether you decide to then build an app is optional but the mobile web presence is not.

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I completely disagree with your premise. Facebook's mobile website (m.facebook.com) as well as their ultra-low bandwidth site (0.facebook.com) are far more heavily trafficked than their app. That is why the graph at the end showing user preference based on individual tasks is important. In other words: if you run an instant messaging service, it would be beneficial for you to merely have an informative mobile web portal. Running an instant messaging service on HTML 4 and JS is a nightmare. You would have an app that people would download to actually chat to each other. On the other hand, if you have an online shop, you will likely find that a fully fledged mobile ecommerce site will do a lot better than an ecommerce app. There is a ton of research data we were given by GearTri.be, who are extremely experienced mobile app (and web!) developers, and the detail in the infographic rings true for their data as well.

freebuys

In my opinion Apps is better then mobile websites .The benefits of using apps is so more in IT sector. I'm always comfortable with all of those apps.

wislndixie

Couldn't agree more!!!

WillR

Um sorry, did I miss something?

You disagree with me yet you just proved my point by what you said above. Exactly, mobile websites are far more efficient than apps. Thanks for that.

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Njenyus

Will, efficiency and effectiveness are two different things. I do agree with what you have said. However, when used creatively (speaking from experience), I have clients who use mobile apps that far outdo what was capable on a mobile website. With that being said, I have my clients integrate both to offer the customers a sales flow that loops and expands across both platforms.

NerdGary

The WHOLE idea of creating a native app is that you can upload it to the ANDROID PLAY market.. yeah.. thats the place where quadrillions of people download apps.. I never ever in my life downloaded an app from a website to my phone.

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WillR

... and when I'm searching for a business I don't go to the app store... I go to Google and type in their business name, as do most people. Thus a mobile website is a much more logical solution for the majority of small businesses out there.

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MobiDev

At first you need to set up the end goal. Likely, you create a mobile tool for your customers, so ask yourself what they would prefer. You can check the advantages and disadvantages of both solutions here http://sixrevisions.com/mobile/native-app-vs-mobile-web-app-comparison/ If you need an easy and optimized website version, you can choose a mobive website. In case you wish to get a great tool for entertainment and interaction, you may develop a native app.

networkempire

I could make anyone a mobile website which behaves like an app.

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eternalsongbird

If you use personally, then you will have to use apps. For global use website is perfect.

velvetadvert

i've been creating apps for a long time and I assume it's not easy to monetize them. though I did it, via smartadserver and Epom.