In Truth, Has Anyone Made Money Selling Mobile Sites to Offline Clients?

by jorgemv 73 replies
Hello everyone,

I just bought a well known mobile site creating software, Mobi-o-Matic, which I intend to use in order to create mobile sites for offline businesses. Of course, with my luck, the software will either turn out to be impossible to figure out without a degree from MIT, or the mobile sites I create with it will be of inferior quality - as compared to what others who are experienced in this field can turn out.

So, some of the things that I'm wondering, and your insights into them would be very welcome, are, is it still possible to make money creating these mobile sites, or has this all been taken over and saturated by more experienced factions - meaning web and graphic designers?

Also, if there's still an outside chance that, even at this juncture, I could venture into the field and sell some of these, is Mobi-o-Matic a good weapon of choice for this task? On the surface, it appears to be easy to figure out, almost push button easy, without any coding knowledge required (and, this is a vital feature for me). But, I could be all wrong about it. Any input about this software specifically, good or bad?

Thanks for any help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    I don't do it at all but have met many people who do quite well doing it! Not sure it's as scalable as other models, but it's absolutely a feasible model! Don't know anything about the mobi-o-matic though
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    • You should be able to sell mobile websites, just start small and approach local businesses or people you know to start with and show them what their competitors are doing
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      • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
        Thanks MobileMarketinMogul for taking time to offer me some encouragement; if anyone knows whether this model works, it would be someone who is involved in this market like you are.

        I do not yet have enough posts to PM anybody, so if you don't mind too much, and it might help another Warrior who has a similar question, may I ask one more thing?

        This is where I get confused. Say, I go ahead and learn to use Mobi-o-Matic with some degree of competence, and can make some marketable sites. When I complete one for a client, if I get lucky enough to get one, do I upload it to their server?

        Or, do I host it myself? If I host it myself, what about questions about the domain? Will I need to buy one for them, and then, I guess, redirect it to their main site?

        If you could share with us how you handle things once you have SOLD a mobile site to a client, it would be of extreme value. Can you do this, please? thanks

        Jorge
        Originally Posted by MobileMarketingMogul View Post

        You should be able to sell mobile websites, just start small and approach local businesses or people you know to start with and show them what their competitors are doing
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        • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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          I always look for "WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT?"

          For ex: Restaurants WANT....More Diners!

          What do people who check into local Hotels/Motels WANT? A "directory" of where to eat. They are hungry and WANT...FOOR!

          These Hungry Tourists/Travelers have;
          1) a Mobile Device
          2) Money

          What if they could Find a "Restaurant Directory" ON THEIR PHONE?

          Would restaurant owners WANT to be in the Directory?

          You betcha!

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          • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
            Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

            I always look for "WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT?"

            For ex: Restaurants WANT....More Diners!

            What do people who check into local Hotels/Motels WANT? A "directory" of where to eat. They are hungry and WANT...FOOR!

            These Hungry Tourists/Travelers have;
            1) a Mobile Device
            2) Money

            What if they could Find a "Restaurant Directory" ON THEIR PHONE?

            Would restaurant owners WANT to be in the Directory?

            You betcha!

            Don Alm....
            Soooo how munch have you made by doing this??? Or are you just guessing ???
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          • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
            Thanks midasman09,

            You're giving me, or us, a perfect example of how to think outside the box.

            Instead of doing what I'm doing, which is bumbling around in the dark, you're asking yourself a key question first before plunging in. Many thanks.
            Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

            I always look for "WHAT DO PEOPLE WANT?"

            For ex: Restaurants WANT....More Diners!

            What do people who check into local Hotels/Motels WANT? A "directory" of where to eat. They are hungry and WANT...FOOR!

            These Hungry Tourists/Travelers have;
            1) a Mobile Device
            2) Money

            What if they could Find a "Restaurant Directory" ON THEIR PHONE?

            Would restaurant owners WANT to be in the Directory?

            You betcha!

            Don Alm....
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Hower
            Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

            Would restaurant owners WANT to be in the Directory?

            You betcha!

            Don Alm....
            Hi Don, I agree, however, I would still have to find the first one willing to pay money for being in the directory.

            Cheers
            Dan Hower
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      Kenster,

      Many thanks for taking the time to reply to my query with your advice.

      Jorge
      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      I don't do it at all but have met many people who do quite well doing it! Not sure it's as scalable as other models, but it's absolutely a feasible model! Don't know anything about the mobi-o-matic though
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  • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
    i tried, i had a prof website (trust me)

    I contacted over 100 local business, maybe 10-20 with an pre-made post website..

    Like -> Hi i saw your website and visited your resturant -> i made this pre-made -> are you interested..

    I did not make a single dime, not saying their is no money there, because where their are a market there are money..

    But i will never do that again, i spend a month not earning shit..

    Most other business i have tried, i have made a little amount..

    But this was a walk in a desert..
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      Hello steffanmax,

      Your version of this is discouraging, to say the least. But, I thank you for giving me the other side of the coin. Maybe, you did not have good luck because of your location, not than I know where you reside, may not be a heavily populated area, and that there aren't that many potential clients there?

      Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

      i tried, i had a prof website (trust me)

      I contacted over 100 local business, maybe 10-20 with an pre-made post website..

      Like -> Hi i saw your website and visited your resturant -> i made this pre-made -> are you interested..

      I did not make a single dime, not saying their is no money there, because where their are a market there are money..

      But i will never do that again, i spend a month not earning shit..

      Most other business i have tried, i have made a little amount..

      But this was a walk in a desert..
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

      i tried, i had a prof website (trust me)

      I contacted over 100 local business, maybe 10-20 with an pre-made post website..

      Like -> Hi i saw your website and visited your resturant -> i made this pre-made -> are you interested..

      I did not make a single dime, not saying their is no money there, because where their are a market there are money..

      But i will never do that again, i spend a month not earning shit..

      Most other business i have tried, i have made a little amount..

      But this was a walk in a desert..
      One of the quickest ways to fail in this business and any is to do exactly what you did. You approached 100 businesses and then just gave up?

      Why waste all that hard work? The reality is most people do what you did and just give up when things get a little tough or don't work right away.

      I would say get straight back on the horse and keep going. If you are not getting the results you want then take a step back and look at things. The chances are it's something you are doing or could be doing better that is causing the non-existent response rate.

      So test and tweak things and you will get there. But if you give up the only thing you guarantee is that you will make no sales.
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      • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        One of the quickest ways to fail in this business and any is to do exactly what you did. You approached 100 businesses and then just gave up?

        Why waste all that hard work? The reality is most people do what you did and just give up when things get a little tough or don't work right away.

        I would say get straight back on the horse and keep going. If you are not getting the results you want then take a step back and look at things. The chances are it's something you are doing or could be doing better that is causing the non-existent response rate.

        So test and tweak things and you will get there. But if you give up the only thing you guarantee is that you will make no sales.
        I once made $80.000+ in 3 months (no-work), and should I scrape a market for some small changes.. I will test everything until i hit the lottery again

        There are money in everything, if you have the time..
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        • [QUOTE=steffanmax;7667864]I once made $80.000+ in 3 months (no-work) and how did you do this? Offline or online?

          With regards to hosting, I would just get them to allow you to create a m. subdomain on their main site and this is where you would upload the mobile website files. If they are hosting it themselves then offer to migrate their website as it will allow you to keep in touch with them if they require anymore work
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          • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
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            Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

            I once made $80.000+ in 3 months (no-work) and how did you do this? Offline or online?
            It was a cashback website why are you asking ? People are making 80.000 offline, online and in-space.. Stupid question

            But it should be easy for you, as you are the coach, I will never be a coach, only a student..
            Because i hate selling crap.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        One of the quickest ways to fail in this business and any is to do exactly what you did. You approached 100 businesses and then just gave up?

        Why waste all that hard work? The reality is most people do what you did and just give up when things get a little tough or don't work right away.

        I would say get straight back on the horse and keep going. If you are not getting the results you want then take a step back and look at things. The chances are it's something you are doing or could be doing better that is causing the non-existent response rate.

        So test and tweak things and you will get there. But if you give up the only thing you guarantee is that you will make no sales.
        Exactly! Quite often I've had to say to myself: "The journey's longer and harder than I thought it would be. But I've come this far, so I might as well go a little further."
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      • Profile picture of the author Kenster
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        One of the quickest ways to fail in this business and any is to do exactly what you did. You approached 100 businesses and then just gave up?

        Why waste all that hard work? The reality is most people do what you did and just give up when things get a little tough or don't work right away.

        I would say get straight back on the horse and keep going. If you are not getting the results you want then take a step back and look at things. The chances are it's something you are doing or could be doing better that is causing the non-existent response rate.

        So test and tweak things and you will get there. But if you give up the only thing you guarantee is that you will make no sales.

        Great points...and I would suggest doing things a tad different as well...and this applied to any entrepreneurial venture...

        Instead of just approaching 100, do them in batches

        Approach 25 with a pitch or whatever. Then go back, study, and write down everything you learned, what worked and what didn't. Then do another 25, and do the same thing. Then the other 25 and then the last 25.

        The SECRET

        which isn't really a secret

        is that you can make a damn lot of money with virtually ANY method or strategy ever discussed on this forum. It's not the method that's the problem, but your approach to implementing and learning it

        It's a learning process that requires never quitting and always learning.

        Rock on warriors!
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        • Profile picture of the author GraemeHawley
          Selling mobile sites is easy

          The main problem comes down to people approach and sales skills.

          Before approaching businesses think about what you are going to say to them, how are you going to close them.
          You also need to believe in it yourself and be very enthusiastic too!

          If you don't have sales skills I would recommend reading a few books on the subject anything from Brian Tracy is really good
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          • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
            Originally Posted by GraemeHawley View Post

            If you don't have sales skills I would recommend reading a few books on the subject anything from Brian Tracy is really good
            Yep. Anyone who needs some tips on enhancing their sales skills needs to grab a notebook and a pen, shut down everything else, and spend a good solid hour absorbing and taking notes from this:

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          • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
            This is particularly poignant and useful advice, GraemeHawley.

            You hit the nail right on the head. Even though I have not yet started trying to sell them, I know it's fundamental to be mentally prepared, to have your shpiel ready, to be assertive, to believe in yourself and your product, and, very importantly, to do your best to be likeable and professional. thanks

            Jorge
            Originally Posted by GraemeHawley View Post

            Selling mobile sites is easy

            The main problem comes down to people approach and sales skills.

            Before approaching businesses think about what you are going to say to them, how are you going to close them.
            You also need to believe in it yourself and be very enthusiastic too!

            If you don't have sales skills I would recommend reading a few books on the subject anything from Brian Tracy is really good
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        • Profile picture of the author WealthPro2
          Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

          Great points...and I would suggest doing things a tad different as well...and this applied to any entrepreneurial venture...

          Instead of just approaching 100, do them in batches

          Approach 25 with a pitch or whatever. Then go back, study, and write down everything you learned, what worked and what didn't. Then do another 25, and do the same thing. Then the other 25 and then the last 25.

          The SECRET

          which isn't really a secret

          is that you can make a damn lot of money with virtually ANY method or strategy ever discussed on this forum. It's not the method that's the problem, but your approach to implementing and learning it

          It's a learning process that requires never quitting and always learning.

          Rock on warriors!
          Excellent put
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
      Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

      I contacted over 100 local business, maybe 10-20 with an pre-made post website..

      Like -> Hi i saw your website and visited your resturant -> i made this pre-made -> are you interested..
      I think trying to sell mobile websites, or anything for that matter, like this is a mistake when business owners don't really know how they can BENEFIT from a mobile website.

      Sure, if you cold call a few hundred people you may get a few that happen to have a clue what they are and how they can benefit from them, but most business owners don't care about the technology - they just want more customers or diners in their seats, and you need to be upfront with What's In It For Them and help educate them to the benefits a mobile website can provide.
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      • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
        Thanks a lot. Your point is well taken, and it could be the key to getting them to sit down and listen to you. After all, now that you've pointed this out, how can anyone express an interest in buying something if they haven't a clue about what it is, and how it can be of any help to them at all?

        Jorge
        Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

        I think trying to sell mobile websites, or anything for that matter, like this is a mistake when business owners don't really know how they can BENEFIT from a mobile website.

        Sure, if you cold call a few hundred people you may get a few that happen to have a clue what they are and how they can benefit from them, but most business owners don't care about the technology - they just want more customers or diners in their seats, and you need to be upfront with What's In It For Them and help educate them to the benefits a mobile website can provide.
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    • Profile picture of the author jsoli
      Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

      i tried, i had a prof website (trust me)

      I contacted over 100 local business, maybe 10-20 with an pre-made post website..

      Like -> Hi i saw your website and visited your resturant -> i made this pre-made -> are you interested..

      I did not make a single dime, not saying their is no money there, because where their are a market there are money..

      But i will never do that again, i spend a month not earning shit..

      Most other business i have tried, i have made a little amount..

      But this was a walk in a desert..
      No offense but your approach doesn't seem right at all.

      Don't try and put people off of this just because you had a poor approach.
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      • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
        Originally Posted by jsoli View Post

        No offense but your approach doesn't seem right at all.

        Don't try and put people off of this just because you had a poor approach.
        Agree and not.. If i dont see any money in a week i move to another business approche.. It have worked for me time to time, and i am only getting smarter faster..

        To many people are stuck in the same pattern, look around.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gabby12
          Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

          Agree and not.. If i dont see any money in a week i move to another business approche.. It have worked for me time to time, and i am only getting smarter faster..

          To many people are stuck in the same pattern, look around.
          A whole week, wow. Maybe thats the problem. What business is established in a week. Good Luck with that strategy.
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          • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
            Originally Posted by Gabby12 View Post

            A whole week, wow. Maybe thats the problem. What business is established in a week. Good Luck with that strategy.
            Sounds more like Steffan's doing market research and trying to find out if there is a need for the product.

            So IMO if (big if) Steffan has a good script, a good offer and a targeted list, a week is plenty of time to find out if there's a substantial market for a product.

            BUT at this point I have a hard time believing there isn't a good market for mobile sites in substantial markets (cities).
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            • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
              Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

              Sounds more like Steffan's doing market research and trying to find out if there is a need for the product.

              So IMO if (big if) Steffan has a good script, a good offer and a targeted list, a week is plenty of time to find out if there's a substantial market for a product.

              BUT at this point I have a hard time believing there isn't a good market for mobile sites in substantial markets (cities).
              1 you dont need a list. 2. The offer dont need to be good, it can also be Free.
              Why big if?

              Every man can earn money he's way there is no blueprint to succes.. Hard work is not even the blueprint.. Sometimes you are just lucky..

              How many % of millionaires have an email list? 0,10%-0,50%.. Yeah the list most be the key..

              If you are doing IM and need scripts, you should spend the 50 hours it take to learn to program, its worth it..
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          • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
            Originally Posted by Gabby12 View Post

            A whole week, wow. Maybe thats the problem. What business is established in a week. Good Luck with that strategy.
            Problem? What problem ? I have been making money since I was 14.. My strategy works for me, find your own startegy.. THIS IS MINE!!!:p
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    • Profile picture of the author NjPanther4Life44
      Originally Posted by steffanmax View Post

      i tried, i had a prof website (trust me)

      I contacted over 100 local business, maybe 10-20 with an pre-made post website..

      Like -> Hi i saw your website and visited your resturant -> i made this pre-made -> are you interested..

      I did not make a single dime, not saying their is no money there, because where their are a market there are money..

      But i will never do that again, i spend a month not earning shit..

      Most other business i have tried, i have made a little amount..

      But this was a walk in a desert..
      Did you just do e-mails only? What other forms of communication did you use when you contacted these businesses? Did you follow back up with these businesses? I am trying to figure out, out of 100 businesses you did not get 1 !
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      • Profile picture of the author steffanmax
        Originally Posted by NjPanther4Life44 View Post

        Did you just do e-mails only? What other forms of communication did you use when you contacted these businesses? Did you follow back up with these businesses? I am trying to figure out, out of 100 businesses you did not get 1 !
        I did made i finished website for like 20-40+ websites. Mobile. Send them the link(to a demo version of how it would look", and "salesletter"..

        I contacted little over 100, had a pro website..
        proatmobile.com - Closed it down after a week.

        I am not getting 1 out of every 100 client..
        Thats like getting 1 out of every 100 girls.. you approche

        I dont like that statistics but thats only me

        One of my friend have a "big" iphone reperation company, he has a hard time getting clients online, but offline, and mouth to mouth has been the key to hes succes. If i took that approche, i agree, things would maybe look different..

        But its hard to sell to someone who dont know they need it, i like to find what people need, and then they buy from me..
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
    Mobile is exploding as shown here: and the market is going to be MASSIVE.

    But for now its still in its infancy like any other new advertising format. It takes a while for business owners to figure out how valuable it is. Its just like selling websites was when the internet started exploding.

    I'm just getting started and so far, I've sent out 2 mockups to businesses I already have a relationship with (via e-mail) and sold 1 - 13 page mobile site for $500. Just a fluke? Maybe but I think the key is finding the right prospects....businesses that could really benefit like restaurants, locksmiths, etc.

    And personally, I'm only going after ones that are already spending money on advertising/marketing and are doing well. So if I drive by a restaurant and its busy on Tuesday evening and I see they are already advertising and have a nice site, etc. they are a prime prospect.
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      Thanks you PaulintheSticks,

      What you're sharing here gives me sufficient confidence and impetus to look upon this business as more than just a "maybe," and more like what I want to make it: an actual, workable, profitable business model. Many thanks to you.
      Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

      Mobile is exploding as shown here: The Mobile Movement: Understanding Smartphone Consumers - YouTube and the market is going to be MASSIVE.

      But for now its still in its infancy like any other new advertising format. It takes a while for business owners to figure out how valuable it is. Its just like selling websites was when the internet started exploding.

      I'm just getting started and so far, I've sent out 2 mockups to businesses I already have a relationship with (via e-mail) and sold 1 - 13 page mobile site for $500. Just a fluke? Maybe but I think the key is finding the right prospects....businesses that could really benefit like restaurants, locksmiths, etc.

      And personally, I'm only going after ones that are already spending money on advertising/marketing and are doing well. So if I drive by a restaurant and its busy on Tuesday evening and I see they are already advertising and have a nice site, etc. they are a prime prospect.
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      This is a very informative and inspiring post. Thank you very much for this.

      Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

      Mobile is exploding as shown here: The Mobile Movement: Understanding Smartphone Consumers - YouTube and the market is going to be MASSIVE.

      But for now its still in its infancy like any other new advertising format. It takes a while for business owners to figure out how valuable it is. Its just like selling websites was when the internet started exploding.

      I'm just getting started and so far, I've sent out 2 mockups to businesses I already have a relationship with (via e-mail) and sold 1 - 13 page mobile site for $500. Just a fluke? Maybe but I think the key is finding the right prospects....businesses that could really benefit like restaurants, locksmiths, etc.

      And personally, I'm only going after ones that are already spending money on advertising/marketing and are doing well. So if I drive by a restaurant and its busy on Tuesday evening and I see they are already advertising and have a nice site, etc. they are a prime prospect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Social Guy
    Yes, last year I started my business and started with mobile sites/social media, I then moved to responsive sites (bigger clients, 'bigger needs'). My company is a two men show now (third person is coming into play). My focus for 2013 will be back to mobile sites. (in combination with the responsive sites we are building now) The third person who will be working with us will be 100% mobile focused (design/building)
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      Thanks Social Guy,

      I'm not sure what a responsive site is, but what you're telling us about how things are going for you with the mobile sites business is very inspirational, at least from my end.

      You're not only making this work for you, but are obviously doing well. Much luck to you.
      Originally Posted by Social Guy View Post

      Yes, last year I started my business and started with mobile sites/social media, I then moved to responsive sites (bigger clients, 'bigger needs'). My company is a two men show now (third person is coming into play). My focus for 2013 will be back to mobile sites. (in combination with the responsive sites we are building now) The third person who will be working with us will be 100% mobile focused (design/building)
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      • Profile picture of the author ronr
        One way to get started is when you are out shopping or doing things you are doing anyway, see how their sites look on your mobile phone and show them. I've found those are the easiest sales.

        Another way to get started is to make a few free ones for friends and try to get referrals from them. Even if you don't get referrals you'll have samples.

        Once you get beyond these 2 methods it gets harder trying to get clients by phone, email, etc. I have a family member that is trying this and has tried different email, direct mail approaches, tried Linkedin (not cold calling) and has yet to find a system that works (time and cost effective and gets results)

        The whole world maybe turning mobile but it can still be a tough sell to offline businesses.

        Ron
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        • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
          Thanks Ron,

          Your honesty regarding how it seems to get harder, rather than easier to sell these to offline businesses, is appreciated.

          As is, of course, your mention of the first two methods that actually work. It won't hurt me to work these two in at the outset; they both make a lot of sense.

          Thanks,
          Jorge
          Originally Posted by ronr View Post

          One way to get started is when you are out shopping or doing things you are doing anyway, see how their sites look on your mobile phone and show them. I've found those are the easiest sales.

          Another way to get started is to make a few free ones for friends and try to get referrals from them. Even if you don't get referrals you'll have samples.

          Once you get beyond these 2 methods it gets harder trying to get clients by phone, email, etc. I have a family member that is trying this and has tried different email, direct mail approaches, tried Linkedin (not cold calling) and has yet to find a system that works (time and cost effective and gets results)

          The whole world maybe turning mobile but it can still be a tough sell to offline businesses.

          Ron
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          • Profile picture of the author ronr
            You're welcome. You can do it but it takes work but if you are commited you will get results. Take massive action and you'll get results more quickly and not get discouraged. But don't believe all the WSO's that claim a system that gets offline clients to beg you to help them. :rolleyes:

            Originally Posted by jorgemv View Post

            Thanks Ron,

            Your honesty regarding how it seems to get harder, rather than easier to sell these to offline businesses, is appreciated.

            As is, of course, your mention of the first two methods that actually work. It won't hurt me to work these two in at the outset; they both make a lot of sense.

            Thanks,
            Jorge
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      • Profile picture of the author Social Guy
        Originally Posted by jorgemv View Post

        Thanks Social Guy,

        I'm not sure what a responsive site is, but what you're telling us about how things are going for you with the mobile sites business is very inspirational, at least from my end.

        You're not only making this work for you, but are obviously doing well. Much luck to you.
        Responsive sites scale to the resolution of every device (smartphone, tablet, pc). When a client wants a complete new website we advice to go responsive in most cases. We build mobile sites when they have a fine website but when they want to have a good mobile presence also..
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        • Profile picture of the author jrasset7
          Hi,
          this is slightly unrelated.. but I am looking for a WSO released last fall, that showed
          how a flash based site looked on a mobile phone.. I think it was a plugin..
          of course there are probably more than one of these products,
          the only unique I can recall about it was that you could email them within the software
          a link showing how their site looks and it had some email templates on what to say and such..
          anyone recall this or something similar?

          thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...pproaches.html for selling them

            for making them:
            http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...2000-sold.html

            Originally Posted by jrasset7 View Post

            Hi,
            this is slightly unrelated.. but I am looking for a WSO released last fall, that showed
            how a flash based site looked on a mobile phone.. I think it was a plugin..
            of course there are probably more than one of these products,
            the only unique I can recall about it was that you could email them within the software
            a link showing how their site looks and it had some email templates on what to say and such..
            anyone recall this or something similar?

            thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
          Many thanks Social Guy for taking the time to clear that up for me regarding what a responsive site is.

          If you don't mind, would you kindly answer another question. If you and your client determine that all that is needed is a simple mobile site, rather than a responsive site, where does the site you build get uploaded, and how? thanks

          Jorge
          Originally Posted by Social Guy View Post

          Responsive sites scale to the resolution of every device (smartphone, tablet, pc). When a client wants a complete new website we advice to go responsive in most cases. We build mobile sites when they have a fine website but when they want to have a good mobile presence also..
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          • Profile picture of the author Social Guy
            Originally Posted by jorgemv View Post

            Many thanks Social Guy for taking the time to clear that up for me regarding what a responsive site is.

            If you don't mind, would you kindly answer another question. If you and your client determine that all that is needed is a simple mobile site, rather than a responsive site, where does the site you build get uploaded, and how? thanks

            Jorge
            We can upload it to a subdomain so it stays on their domain. We also let the the mobile visitors re-direct to our domain (als sub domain with their name in it). This is the method I prefer because you have more control over the site and files.

            But if a client wants to get the mobile site on his own (sub) domain I will always do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author tim205
      Sounds like a good strategy. Let us know how it is working out for you this year!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
    Answer to initial question: In truth, yes I have.

    Reply to above post by steffanmax and anyone who may have been discouraged by the outlook it offers:

    My experience was not all too different. Contacted well over 100 businesses in November, sold literally one, and for dirt cheap. The got a couple more in December. Then a few more in January. Now referrals are starting to come in as well.

    Am I banking big time? Heck no, but each month is better than the last!

    By the end of 2013 over 50% of all web traffic will be mobile. There is money to be made and I will get my chunk of it!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author sirox
    I'll chip in here with some different view that has been largely ignored when it comes to marketing to "offline" clients, be it selling mobile sites, or in the early days, selling websites/designs, or social media, or any other services.

    And that is that you must treat it, set it up, and operate it as a local business yourself.

    You need a local presence. You need a sales person to go out and get orders, you need a guy/gal to actually full the orders (i.e. making the sites), and then you need a guy/gal to do the support.

    You will most likely fail if you:

    1) Think you can do all these by yourself.
    2) Think you will make enough money fast
    3) Not prepared to stick it out for at least a good amount of time for the local businesses to take notice, while making no money
    4) Think your "making mobile sites for local businesses" business is no different than any other local business, such as a restaurant, a shop, or a local dentist.

    So, before you jump into any such business servicing local clients/businesses, you should use the above as your "yardstick" to see if you are going to make it or not.

    The bottom line, you must be prepared, both mentally and financially, for a good stretch of dry spell, i.e. working hard without income, before your "own" local business can take off.

    You can certainly shorten this dry spell by being well-funded to afford hiring good face-to-face salesperson(s) (if you are not one yourself) going at it aggressively, persistently.

    Just like any other local businesses you plan to make money from, set up yours like one first.

    So, are you an online marketer or are you an offline business owner?

    IMHO, you can't be both at the same time as a one man operation.
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  • Profile picture of the author cshilling22
    Mobile websites are an easy sell if you can get in front of the decision maker with a mock-up and have a reasonable price. Here is your website on a phone now, here is what it could be. This is a powerful demonstration. I usually use a QR code as well to pull it up so they can see more possibilities. I am selling the website but I really want to sell them on all of the ways my company can help their business make more money. That is how you build long-term success and loyal clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      Since you make it sound so easy, would you be able to share with us what types of businesses, in particular, you are successfully targeting with this approach? Are you going after dentists, car dealers, real estate pros, etc.,?

      Jorge
      Originally Posted by cshilling22 View Post

      Mobile websites are an easy sell if you can get in front of the decision maker with a mock-up and have a reasonable price. Here is your website on a phone now, here is what it could be. This is a powerful demonstration. I usually use a QR code as well to pull it up so they can see more possibilities. I am selling the website but I really want to sell them on all of the ways my company can help their business make more money. That is how you build long-term success and loyal clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgoddo
    I sell at least one a month ... Not bad. I usually sell them for around $600 to $700.

    I don't use any software to make them tho, all custom
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    • Profile picture of the author WealthPro2
      Originally Posted by mgoddo View Post

      I sell at least one a month ... Not bad. I usually sell them for around $600 to $700.

      I don't use any software to make them tho, all custom
      Hi mgoddo

      Can you please share with us how you develop these mobile site without using any software?
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      • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
        Yeah mgoddo, this question is very pertinent, and I forgot to ask it myself.

        How do you create your custom mobile sites? Are you a web designer by profession? Please share.

        Jorge
        Originally Posted by WealthPro2 View Post

        Hi mgoddo

        Can you please share with us how you develop these mobile site without using any software?
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      Thanks for your input. You provide me with hope and encouragement. You're right pulling down $600 - $700 each is "not bad" at all.

      Unfortunately for me, I'm not skilled enough to be able to create them from scratch as you're able, I'll have to stick to using software, but you prove that there's a market out there for them.

      Jorge
      Originally Posted by mgoddo View Post

      I sell at least one a month ... Not bad. I usually sell them for around $600 to $700.

      I don't use any software to make them tho, all custom
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      • Profile picture of the author mgoddo
        Originally Posted by jorgemv View Post

        Thanks for your input. You provide me with hope and encouragement. You're right pulling down $600 - $700 each is "not bad" at all.

        Unfortunately for me, I'm not skilled enough to be able to create them from scratch as you're able, I'll have to stick to using software, but you prove that there's a market out there for them.

        Jorge
        Sorry, been busy!

        Actually Just sold another one today! Usually most sales are coming from Doctors and Lawyers.

        Your over thinking the "software" part, you dont even have to be all that experienced. I believe WillR even has Html Mobile templates that would work fine.

        I personally code do most of mine in JQuery Mobile, I like the flexibility, and I can optimize the page speeds pretty good.

        Im not a web designer by trade, Im not a coder either. To be fair tho, I do know how to code on a medium level and can code in PHP, HTML, CSS....so that helps

        Most are my sales are actually coming from Web Designers, not even from the actual client.

        Hope this helps!
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        • Profile picture of the author rmx
          That's interesting you would that web designers would just create the mobile sites themselves.


          Originally Posted by mgoddo View Post

          Sorry, been busy!

          Actually Just sold another one today! Usually most sales are coming from Doctors and Lawyers.

          Your over thinking the "software" part, you dont even have to be all that experienced. I believe WillR even has Html Mobile templates that would work fine.

          I personally code do most of mine in JQuery Mobile, I like the flexibility, and I can optimize the page speeds pretty good.

          Im not a web designer by trade, Im not a coder either. To be fair tho, I do know how to code on a medium level and can code in PHP, HTML, CSS....so that helps

          Most are my sales are actually coming from Web Designers, not even from the actual client.

          Hope this helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler S
    This forum makes it seem a lot easier than it actually is. However, when there is a will, there is a way.
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      I'm sorry, Tyler, forgive my ignorance. Can you elaborate on your comment?

      Are you saying that, based on your own experience in this field, you think that some of the respondents to this thread on this Forum make things sound easier than you have personally found things to be marketing mobile sites?

      Or, is your statement your own general opinion?

      Jorge
      Originally Posted by Tyler S View Post

      This forum makes it seem a lot easier than it actually is. However, when there is a will, there is a way.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Jorge,

    Please try and use the 'Multiquote' feature when replying to a number of posts at the same time. It makes it easier for everyone. That way you only need one post to reply rather than replying to every post separately.
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgemv
      My apologies to you WillR and to everyone else; I didn't even know what the Multiquote function was for.

      Unfortunately, now that you brought it to my attention, I don't seem to be able to use it. I hit the Multiquote link and nothing happens. What am I supposed to do before clicking on it for it to work?
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Jorge,

      Please try and use the 'Multiquote' feature when replying to a number of posts at the same time. It makes it easier for everyone. That way you only need one post to reply rather than replying to every post separately.
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      • Profile picture of the author amichaelix
        I think the discussion on how to build the actual mobile sites is quite useful.

        There is another angle to it which is: how to get the leads in the first place? I would recommend this tool called mobipeep.com which makes it easy to find hundreds of businesses without mobile sites without having to check each one individually on your own phone!

        Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    I've actually had more success by building, or remaking, a businesses existing website and then providing a mobile optimized version of the site as part of the package. I think every business needs a mobile website, especially restaurants, but they just don't seem to get it yet like they should when presented with that alone.

    I have a restaurant client that gets 30% of its traffic to the mobile site. I think that is pretty standard for a restaurant, and I could see that easily going to 50% this year. I met with that client yesterday and the owner thanked me over and over for helping to explode their business over the last 2 years. Granted, the mobile site is just one thing I've done for them, but it is definitely a part of the whole equation.

    If you are having trouble selling just the mobile site, then try adding another service that adds value - like SMS list building or email opt in, or whatever. From my experience, you have to prove yourself over a period of time, but once you do, they don't question your judgement at all. Make them more money in any way you can and they don't question the next idea you have.
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  • Profile picture of the author chanellno1
    I would like to chip in. I've been focusing on mobile for a while now and what I have found is it's much easier to sell to clients I already have some sort of working relationship with.

    Also, I like to create a mock-up of a mobile friendly version of their website first and present that to them. That seems to work best for me.

    Thus far, I have not had any success using the emailing strategies presenting in most of the WSO's I've purchased. I have only gained one new client this way, but I was actually marketing social media optimization. That got the response, and when I touched base, I mentioned mobile as well and ended up landing that deal.

    I think you will have more success with mobile with a Face-to-face approach vs. email. I have generated a lot of interests / and deals that way too. Since, I'm phone shy.. I think it's possible, but not my cup of tea.

    There is a lot of money to be made in mobile whether you code the sites yourself or use software. I build my sites both ways. But I agree, it's not as easy as a lot of the WSO's marketed on this forum make it seem. It takes consistent work and a plan. Having a sales person is a great idea if you have the budget or can get them to work on commission.
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  • Profile picture of the author satriasaka
    discounts keyword is good for mobile
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardDean
    Hello,

    The truth is, yes you can make money...

    The person who tried 100 times and gave up I don't blame you. Might not be a good thing in your area just yet.

    My sister is a Visalus Rep it is a Weight loss niche, she got her FREE BMW in about 4 months. I'm also a Vi Rep and in my area no one has money and we are not near any beaches and a winter snow state.... she is in Sunny Florida people go to the beaches they want to look good... She has moved to a state that has winter and no beaches it took a nose dive.

    One place it was easy to sign people up, one place it is not so easy.

    Depends on your location and the timing of things.

    I'm in a small town but have made about 5 PC websites... I know 3 business right now that does not want a website at all... I offered FREE sites to them no charge ever and they just don't want one.

    We are in the top 6 of unemployed Rates people just don't have money... the house on my left 265,000.00 Foreclosed SOLD for 127,000. The house on the right side of me 79,000. Foreclosed SOLD for 16,000.

    I have talked to about 5 business and nothing besides I will think about it.

    I have ran into many many people who don't even know who their web host is or they don't even own their own domain name... some company set it all up years ago or what ever and have no clue how to get to it to have something changed or updated.

    What works for one does not mean it will work for you. Think about that next time you want to buy a WSO.

    Richard Dean
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  • Profile picture of the author Social Guy
    If you have a good product and you know how to tell the client how they can benefit from it you can make money... The most important thing to do first is PRE-QUALIFY YOUR CLIENT BEFORE YOU WALK/PHONE/MAIL IN!

    I will never visit a client who does not have a website/advertise. My perfect client is somebody who already has an web presence for a year of five (at least). They already worked with IM people. If the just sold them a website changes are they are not very happy with their current IM guy..

    I'm my own boss now for a little more than a year and this has worked out good for me, last year I sold some clients a mobile website + social media plan, they are so happy with my work that I can now build a complete new website for them (responsive), the mobile website was €239,- the new website will be €2.000,- I have more examples like that and have learned a lot from Willr, Jay Moreno, John Durham and a lot of other guys in the mobile/offline marketing discussions forum!

    Pre qualify, mind-set, enthusiasm and some good tools/products will get you a good start!
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  • Profile picture of the author HammerNiko
    I sell 50+ mobi sites a week with the same as Ahebo.com . If you need the template Skype me at hammer.web.solutions . This market is huge and growing so we as warriors MUST profit from it. GL !
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    • Profile picture of the author ronr
      :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by HammerNiko View Post

      I sell 50+ mobi sites a week with the same as Ahebo.com . If you need the template Skype me at hammer.web.solutions . This market is huge and growing so we as warriors MUST profit from it. GL !
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  • Profile picture of the author HammerNiko
    Also I have mobile sites builder plugin so contact me !
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  • Profile picture of the author wendigital13
    This is a very interesting topic. I have a few colleagues that have actually seen results but just not appearing to be substantial to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author 4webmaster
    It does work I even signed a contract yesterday for $1350 plus $120 monthly but it wasn't just mobile site. It was for a website redesign and a mobile site.

    Here is a short story: I saw in a magazine a travel agency biz ad (half page) so they might have money for advertising. They didn't even put a website link on it but just an email adress.
    I google their site and finally found it on top of Google. It was real amateurism web design, couldn't believe myself.
    Then at bottom there was the footer link powered by ..nameofcompanydesign.com I check that company and it land on those parked pages with full of adsense ads.
    I suppose thet this web design company have been out of business since months but the travel agency don't even know this.

    I email the travel agency with something like this: I've visit your site and to be honest didn't find any info about what I was looking for, your website looks bad but I can help you with a website redesign, I also visit the link at footer ....

    Next day I get an email from their travel agent, she replied me that she will forward my message to the manager. Later, I receive an email from the manager for an appointment. Before I went to that appointment I work up to 1:30 AM to get a mockup of website and mobile site ready.
    And the day of our meeting, contract was signed.
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    • Profile picture of the author rmx
      I've had similar experiences.

      I don't want be negative because you had a good experience but in some ways it just reinforces that it's easier to sell regular websites (that includes a mobile site) than it is to sell mobile websites to businesses that already have websites. Of course you can sell mobile sites by themselves but in truth most business owners either don't understand them, can't see a need for them or see a need but are still reluctant to pay for "another website" when they don't think their main website is helping them.

      If you are a real sales person you can do it, but it's not just as easy as showing how their website looks on a mobile phone and how it could look with a mobile version.

      It still takes salesmanship and skill and often they will ask about a regular website instead. That's not a bad thing, just often the reality in my experience.

      RMX


      Originally Posted by 4webmaster View Post

      It does work I even signed a contract yesterday for $1350 plus $120 monthly but it wasn't just mobile site. It was for a website redesign and a mobile site.

      Here is a short story: I saw in a magazine a travel agency biz ad (half page) so they might have money for advertising. They didn't even put a website link on it but just an email adress.
      I google their site and finally found it on top of Google. It was real amateurism web design, couldn't believe myself.
      Then at bottom there was the footer link powered by ..nameofcompanydesign.com I check that company and it land on those parked pages with full of adsense ads.
      I suppose thet this web design company have been out of business since months but the travel agency don't even know this.

      I email the travel agency with something like this: I've visit your site and to be honest didn't find any info about what I was looking for, your website looks bad but I can help you with a website redesign, I also visit the link at footer ....

      Next day I get an email from their travel agent, she replied me that she will forward my message to the manager. Later, I receive an email from the manager for an appointment. Before I went to that appointment I work up to 1:30 AM to get a mockup of website and mobile site ready.
      And the day of our meeting, contract was signed.
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