dominodivine

Hello Mobile warriors ... Is anyone here selling local mobile apps to their clients... If so is anyone using Seattle Clouds to do it...

Or At least web apps ... I do know everyone says biznessapps is much better but it is more costly.

I am trying to justify any real good reason to sell my clients apps ... I don't want to sell them something thats not valuable.

baxterblue

I use BzzApps (Not BizApps) it's the SC platform and works really well. As far as pricing... I think it's around $45/month or prepay for the year @ around $275ish.

They just added Geo-Fencing and the platform has a ton of features. If you want to build apps for small businesses it would be a real solid solution and it's extremely affordable. With tons of features and NO PER APP FEE you really can't beat it.

Bzz Apps also has a Members Forum and their support is really good too. Hope this helps!

Here's the link to their Warrior Classified...
http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ndle-fire.html

vne5

I think everyone that says biznessapps is better, doesn't fully understand what you can do with Seattleclouds platform. Yes, you have the option to move your tabs from side to side, or scroll them, but the features you get with seattle clouds make biznessapps look like a coloring book for pre-schoolers. Just my opinion.

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seomike

I agree with Baxterblue and Vne5, Seattle Clouds is the best for small business clients.

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AUKev

I use both Seattle Clouds and BiznessApps and both platforms have advantages and disadvantages. It really depends on specific client needs, but SC certainly has good enough functionality for many niches. There is some functionality that BA has that would certainly benefit certain business types, most notable would be restaurants.

In many cases, SC is MORE powerful with the ability to use PhoneGap and other native pages.

anthonyjames

How much could you sell an app for to a small business?

freebluebird

SC has a white label reseller program right? good support? and how's their geofencing push notification, can it be scheduled to send push notification? by the way, is bzzapps a reseller of SC?

AUKev

SC has a great reseller program and many of the white label providers have great training and support.

Geofencing is available, but lacks a few features for me. You can input a coordinate (latitude and longitude) and then a radius (in meters). Then you input your message to be sent as a push notification when a user crosses the 'geofence'. My problem is that there is no start and end date. From the time you save it, it is live and will always be live until you manually remove it. I would like to be able to set a start and end date in case I forget one is running. Lastly, it will notify every device EVERY time it crosses the boundary. I wish it were limited to a single message per device.

My understanding is that bzzapps is an SC reseller, but I have no experience with them. There are several available in the WSO section.

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jonathan12345

From my experience with interacting with resellers of Seattle Clouds clients compared to other company's resellers, they're typically only using SC because of the lower price. A lot of times they're former resellers from other companies, yes like Bizness Apps, that couldn't support the monthly fee to be in their program -- which is because they struggled with selling. And are struggling to sell the SC product as well.

So with this in mind, if you're able to sell, go with Bizness Apps hands down. I've never really ran into a hugely successful SC reseller but the BA forum is full of them. SC is great for the beginner type looking at this as a hobby / create a few apps / whatever... BA supports some really large publishers which is why they command a higher price I think.

If you're not confident you can sell at least 10 apps go with SC for sure. If you can actually sell to small businesses and are serious about starting a real company, Bizness Apps no question - IMO.

I resell mobile apps for a company called Bizness Apps. Not affiliated at all, just a fan and supporter.

jonathan12345

Also I see this stuff all the time. People with these weird Seattle Cloud resell programs and training packages -- all over the place. SC just seems like a giant pyramid scheme of people reselling the opportunity to resell the platform with very few people actually selling apps to businesses. I rarely run into a reseller that can show a real business being built on SC -- not saying its impossible, just don't see it as often as with BA.

I'd recommend just calling both businesses and speaking with the teams there as they will be hopefully a long term partner, whoever you choose. Just my 2 cents on the market.

I resell mobile apps for a company called Bizness Apps. Not affiliated at all, just a fan and supporter.

freebluebird

Thanks everyone and Jonathan12345 for the details. Very helpful.

Since on this Biznessapps reseller, do they offer 24/7 support? dedicated account support person? what about training for reseller, I notice they have webinar training regularly? do they sell to clients directly, competing with their resellers? any forum for resellers to discuss ideas? what's the app submission approval rates? how's the app loading speed?

One other question, if I go with biznessapps and start to build apps but decide later that's not working out, what will happen to the existing apps/clients? can I move them to another provider (SC) easily?

Thanks for your guide here.

AUKev

I am not aware of any resellers that offer 24/7 support. The margins for resellers are too thin to offer that kind of support. BA does offer monthly training webinars and they are usually very thorough. BA does sell direct, but rarely to end customers. BA is about selling to app developers and white label resellers.

App loading times and approval rates are highly dependent on the apps themselves. Getting approval in the iTunes store is tricky, but once you learn what to expect, it really is not that difficult.

If at any point, you stop paying for BA whether direct or with a reseller, any published apps will cease to continue working. I actually assisted a major reseller last fall that switched from offering BA and started offering SC. All published apps had to be rebuilt in SC and then republished. Therein lies the problem with choosing an app platform. Once you start publishing, you are stuck with that platform unless you rebuild on another platform and republish.

Keep in mind that most white label providers of BA will give you the option to convert your account to a white label account. So once you reach 10 published ios apps, it would be in your best interest to become a white label reseller even if just for your own apps.

Hope this is not too confusing.

AUKev

Jonathan is very knowledgeable here. I have mentioned many times previously that I use both SC and BA. BA for client apps and SC for my niche type apps.

Both platforms are solid an robust, both with unique features. These are the best two platforms I have used, and the only other solution would be to build native apps from scratch. This will definitely require extensive coding experience. If you consider this route, I highly recommend checking out PhoneGap.

johninmn

Thanks for the info Kevin.

I had heard a while back that it was difficult to get approved in iTunes. I also heard that if you changed a lot of the content you had to resubmit the app. Further, I heard that sometimes sending push notifications is tricky. Are either of these true and does one reseller platform help with this stuff more than the other?

One more question: Why did the company you mentioned switch all of it's apps from BA to SC?

Thanks.

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freebluebird

One feature I would like to have is "voucher redeem". That is when a user purchases a voucher/coupon they can bring the e-voucher to the restaurant and redeem via some sort of tracking QR code or barcode to validate. Does BA or SC have this? Thanks

AUKev

Approval for iTunes can be tricky. Unfortunately, it is also inconsistent. Depends on who does the reviewing. I have had apps that I thought would not get approved and they went right through and others that were near perfect that were flagged and had to be modified.

I have had zero problems with push notifications, but I use them sparingly. Literally 2-3 per month is an average, so I have not had any complaints.

The company that switched from BA to SC is an all encompassing product. Apps is a small part of the membership. They also include short code SMS, kiosks, QR codes and mobile websites. The group decided they would rather have unlimited apps for a fixed fee instead of the per app fee required by BA. In reality, with over 600 members, there were only about 20 or so members that were actually working with apps and only about 10 members that had paying customers for apps.

Sam0078

Personally I quite like SC... my 2cents. They seem to have more templates and nice ones. Very flexible to create and design. Pricing is very good.

One other thing I found, there are plenty of sub-resellers of SC too. Some even offer cheaper pricing than SC itself. My question is: how can they do that? and won't it be better to go directly with SC rather than sub-resellers?

novalj30

As an SC reseller itself, personally we can do it due to One time Investment we made to SC. Other resellers will be having troubles if they choose the monthly plan as an SC Reseller.


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vacurect

I have used cloud apps site to create the apps on the mobile .But its not much user friendly as compression to biz zap . Biz app have clear step to create the site apps.

viji

I have been using BiznessApps.

I recently looked at SeattleCloud. One thing that I noticed is that, it seems you need to create separate Apps (by duplicating) for iPhone, iPad and Android.

I allow my clients to modify their Apps by adding new events, Coupons, Push Notifications etc. With SC, it seems they will have to modify in three Apps everytime they make a small change, for each platform. This does seem like too much to ask an end-user client. Bizness Apps, has a single App for each platform, making it simple for my clients.

just my 2 cents.

AUKev

Viji,

Yes you are correct about SC. I use both BA and SC. For SC, you have two separate apps for android and ios. The best option is too build one completely, then you can 'clone' the completed app and modify for the other platform. It does require when changes are made to make them in multiple places, but a simple copy and paste of individual pages makes it go pretty smoothly. This separation of the apps does allow you to code each app with specific native functionality for each platform.

Yet another reason why I always use BA for offline customer apps. One code set, plus I can let the client have access to that single app for small updates and PN's.

I use SC exclusively for niche and info product type apps.