Football scandal in NJ

Team sports have always had this sorta thing since the beginning of time.
These poor sods were unlucky enough to get caught.

We beat the crap out of each other - in and out of the locker rooms.

No sex anything, unless you consider calling each other homo's and faggot
and things of that nature sexual. When I was in high school that was about the
worse thing you could say to a guy on the team - so of course that's what
we all called each other.

The perps should be prosecuted for rape.

However, let's not paint all football teams and coaches with the same brush. When I was in school, I needed help due to family issues. Two different football coaches at different schools helped me way beyond the "call of duty" and to this day, they both have a very big spot in my heart. A good coach is often the best thing in many young kids' lives.

And while we're at it, if we're going to condem football because of hazing, let's also include colleges and the military. It isn't as if those two institutions have never crossed the line when it comes to hazing.

A big problem is society always focuses on what's wrong, instead of the good. Some folks really should research "JJ Watt", but he's just not as provactive as most of the national headlines.

and i thought aaron cruden had it bad

Penetration without consent is rape - I don't care who is doing the penetrating, who they are penetrating, or what the hell their reasoning is. The victim has had their body violated and taken over. That's rape. You don't ask the perpetrator what his idea of what he was doing was to find out how to classify that crime. Most men, when convicted of rape, will say everything under the sun about the victim "wanting" it - they rarely think of the crime as rape even if they held a knife or a gun to the victim's head while they are raping them.

I was from a frat town - they hazed the hell out of each other.......but they never raped anyone (as a group anyway).

What the whole event boils down to is a pack mentality with kids in the power pack being psychopaths - not a drop of empathy. They got into a position that drew "star" status from the community and used it to entertain themselves committing brutal acts against people they saw themselves being better than - seeing themselves as in ownership of. I'm betting their parents were also of position where favors were bestowed on them because of social status.

If left unchecked, these little packs of psychopaths can become very dangerous dangerous groups of sociopaths. Any time a group displays a lack of empathy, you have very dangerous potential brewing. Look at ISIS. They call themselves a religion yet they will eat their own young for the power they have. They mow down anyone and everyone in their way without a thought. Brutality is actually rewarded. These kids are the equivalent of Nazi Brown Shirts. How do you think they got that way? Does it matter when they are torturing for their own fun. It only matters at that point that they are stopped.

These kids were the fascists of their high school - they had the power and decided to use it to hurt other people. How did they get that way? Really? Look around. Who do you see that's in power that's hurting people and does it with no regrets........simply because they can?

I agree with Paul - one of the deepest hitting responses to these kids would be ostracizing them. It might put enough shock through them to build some empathy. If that empathy can't be created - we are looking at life long terrorists.

Sal,

If they are true sociopaths, you can't make them feel empathy. Ostracism is potentially useful because it could make them think twice before doing anything like that again. Raise the price and some folks won't do it.

Of course, some will just move and take advantage of their new environment to do things more intelligently. Meaning: "Don't get caught."

These are the kinds of things that make me think we need special ways to handle this sort of attacker, if they turn out to be true sociopaths. It may be that they should simply be locked up and never allowed to be free again once they've stepped over that line. But that has its own ethical problems. I'm not sure there's a good answer to this one.


Paul