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How we could lose everything!

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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    If we're truly as vulnerable as he states, that's pretty scary. It's not the first time I've heard of these various risks to our electrical grid. Honestly, I don't think I'd want to be part of this world if that happened. It would be nightmarish chaos and an extremely dangerous place to live. Not to mention, the food and water supply would quickly come to a halt - for a planet with 7 billion people.

    I did, however, have to laugh at his comment about dodging all the millenials that would be jumping off buildings!
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

      If we're truly as vulnerable as he states, that's pretty scary. It's not the first time I've heard of these various risks to our electrical grid. Honestly, I don't think I'd want to be part of this world if that happened. It would be nightmarish chaos and an extremely dangerous place to live. Not to mention, the food and water supply would quickly come to a halt - for a planet with 7 billion people.

      I did, however, have to laugh at his comment about dodging all the millenials that would be jumping off buildings!
      We ARE that vulnerable! They HAVE attacked powerplants, and the grid is designed SO poorly, that it has sometime put HUGE SWATHS of the US in DARKNESS! In some cases, ONE damaged area can cause other areas to fail or shutdown as well. LUCKILY, it is usually relatively shortlived, but that has been because it is usually due to a MINOR event! They track down the minor event, fix it, and bring things back up. Destroying a power station, like he mentioned, would be FAR worse. I am not sure about the uniqueness of the transformers, but some ARE huge, and just SHIPPING them could be a production.

      As for the nuclear bombs? Apparently they CAN create a large EMP. An EMP could, if it crosses a diskdrive, tape drive, and even many memory chips, directly wipe them out. An EMP coming CLOSE to any wire could FRY any circuits the wire happens to be connected to. This happens all around the world on a daily(perhaps even hourly) basis, and the destructive effect is generally called a SURGE, THERE, the EMP is often caused by lightning. The deal is that air is a GREAT insulator. Eventually, the potential difference is SO high that lightning sparks across, and feet or yards away from the spark, there is a magnetic field. If it cuts across a power line, even though it is YARDS away, a surge can be created in the line. It has been known to MELT the cases of electronics far from the crossing.

      LUCKILY, people know of the lightning danger, and a lot of strikes are diverted far enough away. But some DO hit!

      As for the millennials? Many feel about computers and MP3s the way WE may feel about running water! They don't know HOW we did so much without computers.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Check out Volume 3 of Zero Point on Youtube. We can prevent this - we just have to put a stop to the FED so we can get free of corporate ownership of power.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    This guy's science is wrong. Electo-magnetism doesn't disappear during a geographical pole shift. You, instead, get multiple poles that snap back into one pole when the shift is completed. This is fear mongering.

    He is right that our grid is a problem - but it's our choice that we are allowing powerful corporations own our power grid and now they are buying our water supplies. 100% our fault.

    You can start by refusing to buy bottled water and make that industry unprofitable for them. We can also abolish the FED which is where all these major corporations get the power to own us.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      This guy's science is wrong. Electo-magnetism doesn't disappear during a geographical pole shift. You, instead, get multiple poles that snap back into one pole when the shift is completed. This is fear mongering.

      He is right that our grid is a problem - but it's our choice that we are allowing powerful corporations own our power grid and now they are buying our water supplies. 100% our fault.

      You can start by refusing to buy bottled water and make that industry unprofitable for them. We can also abolish the FED which is where all these major corporations get the power to own us.
      You ARE right about some of that. ALSO, if we had local solar, or some such, there would be less of a chance of the surge type of EMP reaction, and any such EMP reaction would be more localized.

      The GRID problem is not because of corporate ownership, but because of the interconnected ability of the grid. A local SOLAR array wouldn't have such a limitation.

      I DO think the water deal is generally overstated. I think MOST water systems are GRAVITY and PRESSURE fed! Of course the return for water treatment, loading water tanks, etc... IS pump fed. So some little towns may have limited supply, but I think ones like in LA may run a good deal longer.

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  • Profile picture of the author nesterdwarf
    The US desperately needs to modernize its electrical grid by decentralizing both generation and control and the evolution of modern computer systems provides a perfect example of what this new system could achieve. If current power generation plants are the mainframes of early computing, decentralized power generation, whether solar, wind, biomass, etc., would be the PC. Require that utilities purchase the generated power at market value and you would even incentivize conservation on a personal scale for providing power to the 'commons'.

    And while most water supplies may be gravity/pressure fed, that pressure is provided by storing water in towers or higher ground storage. Pumps constantly replenish the levels in these to maintain the pressure in the system. No pumps and the pressure and the supply starts to drop pretty quickly. And if you think people will be nuts without electricity, add dying of thirst and multiple it by 100.

    We also need to start educating children how to grow food on their own. Every school should have a gardening class as a requirement for graduation, just like gym or civics. Hopefully the lessons would carry over a little better than those two examples, though

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Anyone who would drink municipal water in emergency conditions is nuts. They already fluoridate any supply they can get away with fluoridating - and in some states that is every city above population 25,000. I was going to move to SD once and found that out just in time. You put people in an emergency situation that involves civil unrest and there's no telling what they will put in the water.

    Our elec grid is in trouble, both the grid itself, which is almost shot and because it's so polluted. I'm surprised that more people don't know their electric here is so polluted. It wouldn't pass inspection in most countries. Still - we have a lot of sources for free, clean electric and TPTB are not letting us at it.

    Tesla's work is still known and understood by some. I'm hoping that one of them will grow some morals and decency and start manufacture of the equip we need to supply it for ourselves. It's half past time we were able to get off of corporate power - for us, for the planet. If we don't start shaking off the monster corps that own us through WB, we're not going to have to worry about much for much longer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Every time we have a new "danger, Will Robinson" thread - it always ends up with the "FED" and "flouridated water"?

      EMP's aren't as easy to create as some would have you think. They are, however, a potential problem we need to be aware of.

      Read the book "One Second After" a couple years ago (fiction about the aftermath of an EMP) - and it was enough to make me do some research.

      An EMP caused by a nuclear explosion above the atmosphere (which would be an "attack") would be centralized in a location directly below the explosion. I found it interesting that in such an explosion, radiation is not a problem.

      There are many things that could cause us to "lose everything" - this is just one of them. There are known ways to protect our power supplies from EMP but the "fix" is extremely costly. We love to say "we need to do it at any cost" - but we say that about every risk and simple truth is we can't afford to protect ourselves from EVERY problem that might occur in the future.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Every time we have a new "danger, Will Robinson" thread - it always ends up with the "FED" and "flouridated water"?

        EMP's aren't as easy to create as some would have you think. They are, however, a potential problem we need to be aware of.

        Read the book "One Second After" a couple years ago (fiction about the aftermath of an EMP) - and it was enough to make me do some research.

        An EMP caused by a nuclear explosion above the atmosphere (which would be an "attack") would be centralized in a location directly below the explosion. I found it interesting that in such an explosion, radiation is not a problem.

        There are many things that could cause us to "lose everything" - this is just one of them. There are known ways to protect our power supplies from EMP but the "fix" is extremely costly. We love to say "we need to do it at any cost" - but we say that about every risk and simple truth is we can't afford to protect ourselves from EVERY problem that might occur in the future.
        ALL TRUE! I WAS going to add that some countries have worked on ways to generate a cleaner and more powerful EMP. Even in SCIFI flicks, they talk about how hard EMPs are to generate. A magnetic field does little to power and circuitry, unless it moves. THAT is why power generators require motion. And the level of damage is controlled by level and frequency. And electricity isn't much more effective. It takes many hendreds of volts if it is a fraction of an inch away, and over tens of thousands of volts of it is inches away. There was a DISNEY flick that recently showed a hand held gadget that had over a BLOCK range, and NO high power requirement, but it is ALSO the company that said flying requires only pixie dust and happy thoughts!

        STILL, it is a concern.

        Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Anyone who would drink municipal water in emergency conditions is nuts. They already fluoridate any supply they can get away with fluoridating - and in some states that is every city above population 25,000. I was going to move to SD once and found that out just in time. You put people in an emergency situation that involves civil unrest and there's no telling what they will put in the water.

      Our elec grid is in trouble, both the grid itself, which is almost shot and because it's so polluted. I'm surprised that more people don't know their electric here is so polluted. It wouldn't pass inspection in most countries. Still - we have a lot of sources for free, clean electric and TPTB are not letting us at it.

      Tesla's work is still known and understood by some. I'm hoping that one of them will grow some morals and decency and start manufacture of the equip we need to supply it for ourselves. It's half past time we were able to get off of corporate power - for us, for the planet. If we don't start shaking off the monster corps that own us through WB, we're not going to have to worry about much for much longer.
      Electricity IS "polluted". That has been known for a LONG time! I knew it before I was 6. HECK, people don't even know what it is SUPPOSED to be anymore(People say anything from like 100-120v for basic power. And the US is ~60hz, though MOST countries are ~50hz). And it was NEVER suitable for a computer. STILL, the high voltage components have a HIGH tolerance for variations, and the low voltage ones have regulators, capacitors, and are often DC.

      BTW I DOUBT other countries are much better.

      For water, what do YOU drink?

      Steve
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