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WalkingCarpet

Banned 9 years ago

Best diet is anything that has low cards and high protein.

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet

Best diet is anything that has low cards and high protein.

Well, I once went on one of the most strict diets ANYONE should ever do. Anyway, it had practically NO carbs. It worked GREAT. I lost almost 50 pounds in like 55 days, and most of it was fat. I DID notice, however, that if I took in carbs, I got noticeably stronger.

In retrospect I should have taken more creatine and fat, and I probably should have insisted that my mother leave. I don't know whether I will do a variant of what I did, or dash, but as of wednesday, I resolved to get serious about it.

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LynnM

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Well, I once went on one of the most strict diets ANYONE should ever do. Anyway, it had practically NO carbs. It worked GREAT. I lost almost 50 pounds in like 55 days, and most of it was fat. I DID notice, however, that if I took in carbs, I got noticeably stronger.

In retrospect I should have taken more creatine and fat, and I probably should have insisted that my mother leave. I don't know whether I will do a variant of what I did, or dash, but as of wednesday, I resolved to get serious about it.

Steve

Steve, you definitely need the fat. I've found that by greatly reducing carbs and eating plenty of natural fats, mostly coconut oil and butter, I'm considerably healthier (blood sugar much reduced), and a few inches trimmer round the waist. It's not hard to eat that way either. There's lots of info here: http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

And this is a very interesting article on the subject of fat and the link between contemporary nutritional guidelines and the rise of certain diseases: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...33760760481486

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by LynnM

Steve, you definitely need the fat. I've found that by greatly reducing carbs and eating plenty of natural fats, mostly coconut oil and butter, I'm considerably healthier (blood sugar much reduced), and a few inches trimmer round the waist. It's not hard to eat that way either. There's lots of info here: LCHF for Beginners - DietDoctor.com

And this is a very interesting article on the subject of fat and the link between contemporary nutritional guidelines and the rise of certain diseases: The Questionable Link Between Saturated Fat and Heart Disease - WSJ

Yeah, I KNOW! The SICK part is that I got Coconut oil LONG AGO! I ****LOOOOOOOOOVE**** coconut! Sadly, I got the highest quality extra virgin coconut oil I can. The stuff REEKS of coconut. With the texture, and slightly off flavor(because the sugar most such things have isn't there), it isn't really easy to take straight. MCT oil is about as good, and BETTER than most oils. I keep forgetting to add it.

But YEAH, you're right, 20%+ of calories in fat, ESPECIALLY for men, is a good thing.

As for blood sugar, my blood sugar seems remarkably stable during the majority of the day at about 71! I have been mostly doing an intermittent fast.

ALSO, I am basically on a slight calorie deficit with an MRP, protein drink, and a cheat meal(Actually just a regular balanced meal I am not worrying about. It isn't like I am "pigging out"). I am losing weight, and my body fat percentage is dropping. I figure that if I keep going as I am, I could be at my ideal weight by February 5. Of course, I will likely get a job before then, so I guess we will see.

Steve

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LynnM

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, I KNOW! The SICK part is that I got Coconut oil LONG AGO! I ****LOOOOOOOOOVE**** coconut! Sadly, I got the highest quality extra virgin coconut oil I can. The stuff REEKS of coconut. With the texture, and slightly off flavor(because the sugar most such things have isn't there), it isn't really easy to take straight.

Might it be worth trying a different brand of organic coconut oil to see if the taste varies? I use Lucy Bee but don't know if it's available outside the UK. I cook with it, and it's a mild taste.

Like you, I'm also doing intermittent fasting, not really consciously, more because I'm not that hungry doing low carb high fat.

Congrats on your fat/weight loss so far

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by LynnM

Might it be worth trying a different brand of organic coconut oil to see if the taste varies? I use Lucy Bee but don't know if it's available outside the UK. I cook with it, and it's a mild taste.

Like you, I'm also doing intermittent fasting, not really consciously, more because I'm not that hungry doing low carb high fat.

Congrats on your fat/weight loss so far

Yeah, it isn't the brand, it is the type. It comes from like the first press of the coconut. It is typed just like olive oil. With olive oil, the first one has a REALLY strong taste, and is dark, the second is weaker, and less dark, and the others are just called olive oil.

Another thing, is that the more virgin like that coconut oil is, the higher the melting point is. At about room temperature, this looks like coconut MEAT. If it gets a little warmer, it may start to look like pure oil. It still has the coconut smell there

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DJL

9 years ago

Here is a brief quotation worth memorizing, from an excellent article that debunks
some of the current weight-loss fad diets:

... weight loss is calories in vs. calories out, regardless of the type of calories.
If you eat 2,000 calories of chicken wings and butter-fried pork rinds a day,
yet burn 2,500 calories a day, you will lose weight.
You will also be one unhealthy bugger.

If you eat 3,000 calories of spinach, carrots, and egg whites a day,
yet burn 2,500 calories a day, you will gain weight. Harsh, but true."

--James S. Fell

Science Babe Guest Blogger- James Fell on Weight Loss Inc

The website does a great job of promoting the scientific, evidence-
based mindset that so many people, unfortunately, abjure these days.

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butters

9 years ago

Originally Posted by DJL

Here is a brief quotation worth memorizing, from an excellent article that debunks
some of the current weight-loss fad diets:
The website does a great job of promoting the scientific, evidence-
based mindset that so many people, unfortunately, abjure these days.

That quote isn't worth memorising... It's a way over simplified quote for what weight loss or gain actually is.

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Jamie Thompson

9 years ago

So you can guarantee that Paleo is the best diet then. Anything a mainstream publication like that says is healthy or works the best, you do he exact opposite. Paleo is insanley healthy for you and packs on solid muscle. I know a few people that stick to it religously and are in the best possible shape.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Jamie Thompson

So you can guarantee that Paleo is the best diet then. Anything a mainstream publication like that says is healthy or works the best, you do he exact opposite. Paleo is insanley healthy for you and packs on solid muscle. I know a few people that stick to it religously and are in the best possible shape.

I also got a few LOLs out of what they were calling "good".

If people would get off processed foods, into organic foods, that is the only really safe and good way to go. My nieces SO had such drastic celiac disease that he had to have part of his intestine removed. She put him on paleo with a few tweaks (such as eggs) and he's never been healthier in his life.

I can do more carbs than a lot of people - but have to comment that anyone eating any grain in the US that isn't certified organic is completely nuts. Even conventionally grown with no GMO is dangerous. A couple of weeks before harvest that grain is just dowsed in very high levels of glysophate to make it ripen more evenly - and that stuff is deadly. It soaks into the grain so you can't simply wash it off. There's no guarantee that a company even does that very well before grinding it into flour. Yum huh?

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Looks like Dash is the overall best diet.

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Kurt

9 years ago

I always laugh at the "paleo" diet. I seriously doubt these folks are eating grasshoppers and grubs.

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onSubie

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I always laugh at the "paleo" diet. I seriously doubt these folks are eating grasshoppers and grubs.

It gets a bad rep from traditional nutritionists because of its lack of grains, eggs, dairy and legumes.

Many cultures still eat grasshoppers and you can probably find them for sale in your city at an African or Asian market. You can buy them in Ottawa and they are still a staple of many modern diets. They come dried.

I know this because a friend of mine eats them regularly. I asked how he gets them and he said at different grocery markets around Ottawa.

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Kurt

9 years ago

Originally Posted by onSubie

It gets a bad rep from traditional nutritionists because of its lack of grains, eggs, dairy and legumes.

Many cultures still eat grasshoppers and you can probably find them for sale in your city at an African or Asian market. You can buy them in Ottawa and they are still a staple of many modern diets. They come dried.

I know this because a friend of mine eats them regularly. I asked how he gets them and he said at different grocery markets around Ottawa.

Yes, many people around the world eat insects and bugs are a major source of protein, but not people on the "paleo" diet. My point wasn't whether or not bugs are good for you. It's that the "paleo diet" isn't actually "paleo". But it was good marketing.

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onSubie

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Yes, many people around the world eat insects and bugs are a major source of protein, but not people on the "paleo" diet. My point wasn't whether or not bugs are good for you. It's that the "paleo diet" isn't actually "paleo". But it was good marketing.

Oh, I knew that- it was mostly an aside since I happened to know someone who does eat grasshoppers and surprised you can buy them in Canada. They don't call them that for food though. My friend told me but I can't remember the food name.

Like pig/pork, deer/venison, cow/beef, grasshopper/???

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discrat 9 years ago

What about the ' Monsanto GMO diet ' ? Practically all the US is trying this diet out with miserable results
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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by onSubie

It gets a bad rep from traditional nutritionists because of its lack of grains, eggs, dairy and legumes.

The paleo diet does include eggs. In fact, eggs (preferably from pastured chickens) are a major staple, especially for breakfast. Many paleo followers don't eat dairy, but those who lean more towards a "primal" way of eating often do include some (full fat, grassfed, organic, and preferably raw) if they can tolerate it (a lot of people have problems with lactose or casein). Grassfed butter is actually a very healthy fat.

The paleo / primal way of eating makes so much sense if you really look at it closely (and look at the research). But, since it flies in the face of conventional wisdom and everything we've been told for the past 50 years, most people assume it can't possibly be healthy. Not remotely surprised it always comes out on the bottom of such lists.

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onSubie

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

The paleo diet does include eggs. In fact, eggs (preferably from pastured chickens) are a major staple, especially for breakfast. Many paleo followers don't eat dairy, but those who lean more towards a "primal" way of eating often do include some (full fat, grassfed, organic, and preferably raw) if they can tolerate it (a lot of people have problems with lactose or casein). Grassfed butter is actually a very healthy fat.

The paleo / primal way of eating makes so much sense if you really look at it closely (and look at the research). But, since it flies in the face of conventional wisdom and everything we've been told for the past 50 years, most people assume it can't possibly be healthy. Not remotely surprised it always comes out on the bottom of such lists.

Well I'm not an expert but I was under the impression that a true paleo diet does not include any foods that were developed after man settled into an agrarian lifestyle.

No planted/harvested crops (grains), no domesticated animals (eggs/milk/dairy).

Saying some paleo dieters eat organic dairy is like saying some vegetarians eat fish.

But again- I'm not a paleo expert.

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Joe Mobley

9 years ago

The Paleolithic was an extended period of time, during which multiple technological advances were made, many of which had impact on human dietary structure. For example, humans probably did not possess the control of fire until the Middle Paleolithic,[93] or tools necessary to engage in extensive fishing.[citation needed]

On the other hand, both these technologies are generally agreed to have been widely available to humans by the end of the Paleolithic (consequently, allowing humans in some regions of the planet to rely heavily on fishing and hunting). In addition, the Paleolithic involved a substantial geographical expansion of human populations.

During the Lower Paleolithic, ancestors of modern humans are thought to have been constrained to Africa east of the Great Rift Valley. During the Middle and Upper Paleolithic, humans greatly expanded their area of settlement, reaching ecosystems as diverse as New Guinea and Alaska, and adapting their diets to whatever local resources available.

Paleolithic - Diet and Nutrition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Alexa Smith

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

U.S. News evaluated 35 of the most popular diets and identified the best.

I did look ... but I don't really know who they are. What are their qualifications for assessing diets, Joe?

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Joe Mobley 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I did look ... but I don't really know who they are. What are their qualifications for assessing diets, Joe?

I don't know if this answers your question but it's all I got.

U.S. News Best Diets: How We Rated 35 Eating Plans - US News

It's one of the links at the top of this page.

Best Diets 2015 - US News

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I did look ... but I don't really know who they are. What are their qualifications for assessing diets, Joe?

They used a few gross goals to identify them:

Overall <<<This would be on all the below.
Weight Loss Short-term <<<This really should be based on experience, of less than 2 weeks or so. Some changes may take as much as like 10 days to happen, and may change the response to the diet.
Weight Loss Long-term <<<This should be based on greater than say 2 weeks to several months
Easy to Follow <<<Easy to rank
Nutrition <<<Likely the RDA
Safety <<<Probably the following two, and nutrition
For Diabetes <<<They can check blood sugar, or even the type of foods.
For Heart Health <<<Blood pressure, pulse, and apparently AHA guidelines

Dash was best OVER ALL, but only got a FOUR! It got a 3.5 for diabetes, and was ranked #1 there. That makes sense. Fully processed sweets are virtually FORBIDDEN! At most you are allowed less than 2 servings a day. Most women wanting to lose weight, or stay at a slim weight, may get NO servings! Basically a serving is like a TBSP of sugar. It probably ranked as low as it did because it REQUIRES AT LEAST 4 servings of fruits a day. For things like heart health, it says:

Does it have cardiovascular benefits?

Yes. Rigorous studies show DASH can lower blood pressure, which if too high can trigger heart disease, heart failure and stroke. (In fact, the name DASH stands for Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension - hypertension being the medical term for high blood pressure.) It's also been shown to increase "good" HDL cholesterol and decrease "bad" LDL cholesterol and triglycerides, a fatty substance that in excess has been linked to heart disease. Overall, DASH reflects the medical community's widely accepted definition of a heart-healthy diet - it's heavy on fruits and vegetables and light on saturated fat, sugar and salt.

So it isn't so much a medical opinion, but experience, averages, perception, and agreement with medical GUIDELINES.

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seasoned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I did look ... but I don't really know who they are. What are their qualifications for assessing diets, Joe?

BTW US News(and world report) is an old established newspaper. Glenn Beck just a couple days ago was musing how they are STILL distributed to people in many US hotels, and they were featured in "back to the future" as existing in 2015! I THINK they are unbiased. It HAS been a while since I really read them. But they aren't a fly by night. I imagine they DO have some medical advisers on hand for things just in case, but THIS should be easy.

As for weight watchers? They have been around for quite a while, and apparently are successful. THIS article gives them pretty high marks for EVERYTHING but heart and diabetic health. I guess it is only for people with GOOD sugar control(Maybe like 90%+ of the US), that only have moderate high blood pressure, if at all(Maybe like 70%+ of the US). MOST diets DO suggest getting checked out by a doctor FIRST though. As for the drinks, etc? Maybe they graduated, and don't have to be so careful, or it is a cheat day or some such.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

What they don't tell you about Weight Watchers is I've seen them have meetings at Wendy's restaurants & every single one of them Biggie sized that diet Coke & woofed down an endless salad bar like there was no tomorrow.

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butters

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

What they don't tell you about Weight Watchers is I've seen them have meetings at Wendy's restaurants & every single one of them Biggie sized that diet Coke & woofed down an endless salad bar like there was no tomorrow.

Only ever been to Wendy's once in my life but I assume a salad is salad so it could be worse :p they could be eating a fry up I suppose!

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yukon Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

Only ever been to Wendy's once in my life but I assume a salad is salad so it could be worse :p they could be eating a fry up I suppose!

...but the salad dressings with sugar & polysorbate 80 (Mmm..., lol).
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  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  I'm sure the salad dressings are loaded with sugar.
  
  Oh I'm sure, not ideal im sure but atleast they are eating something relatively healthy in comparison I suppose.
  
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