Candles, Freelancer and the Off-Topic Forum

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I remember how we use to complain about the missteps of Freelancer and how they were destroying the WF.

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They can't hold a candle to the Emotionally Needy and the Claudettes when it comes to the degradation of the Off-Topic Forum.


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    Well, Joe, this will be fun to watch.

    Would you care to lay out your theory in greater detail or are you going to hold pat with the quick pot shot?
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Well, Joe, this will be fun to watch.

      Would you care to lay out your theory in greater detail or are you going to hold pat with the quick pot shot?
      I have to agree with Joe. The one-upmanship on the jokes is getting a little out of hand.

      I do admit to being partly responsible but not as responsible as those responsible the most.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        I have to agree with Joe. The one-upmanship on the jokes is getting a little out of hand.

        I do admit to being partly responsible but not as responsible as those responsible the most.
        CB, it ebbs and flows with the seasons. Personally, I ignore about half the shots taken at me and try to avoid going off rail in more serious threads, specifically Joe's because I know it makes him crusty. Nonserious threads and dying threads are open season, though. I just didn't realize that a Taylor Swift (not) nude thread was a serious thread - not that I had any major influence on that particular thread.

        I've always thought of this place as the bar. Others want to turn it into Debate Club. We know how that turns out.

        Or maybe it's just time to hitch up the wagons, grab the dogfaced boy and the bearded lady and move on to the next town.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I've always thought of this place as the bar. Others want to turn it into Debate Club. We know how that turns out.
          Agreed, Dan. Bars attract both goofballs and those who desperately need attention with a new woe-is-me thread every other day. I have the latter on ignore. As for the goofballs - they're usually quite entertaining, and 90% of the time I come to the OT for a good laugh. I've yet to be disappointed!

          There have been some really good discussions as well, but if they get derailed by silly humor, not a big deal.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            Agreed, Dan. Bars attract both goofballs and those who desperately need attention with a new woe-is-me thread every other day. I have the latter on ignore. As for the goofballs - they're usually quite entertaining, and 90% of the time I come to the OT for a good laugh. I've yet to be disappointed!
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            Who are you calling a needy goofball, Lady?

            Wait....did you say entertaining?

            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

            I remember how we use to complain about the missteps of Freelancer and how they were destroying the WF.

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            They can't hold a candle to the Emotionally Needy and the Claudettes when it comes to the degradation of the Off-Topic Forum.


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            I'm in your corner Joe. Calling out this Claudette woman, was a bold move. How can we get rid of her?
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            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
              It's all so very tedious.

              Perhaps just start a thread where those people can do their back and forths whilst others can get on with discussion.

              I'm with Joe. It's ruined a lot of threads.

              Same thing will happen in this very thread though so all in all a pointless bid.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                It's all so very tedious.

                Perhaps just start a thread where those people can do their back and forths whilst others can get on with discussion.

                I'm with Joe. It's ruined a lot of threads.

                Same thing will happen in this very thread though so all in all a pointless bid.
                I'm being serious for a second.

                I get it. I get it that you or Joe or one of a few others...finds the jokey give and take tedious.

                I'm not apologizing. Your sensitivity to it is about as strong as is my sensitivity to posts by borderline insane people......or overly sensitive people......or petty mean people....or obsessive political junkies.

                So I have about 12 people on my ignore list. It makes skimming threads much faster. I can then get to the sane or funny posts, without distraction.

                Honest, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass right now...the ignore button would solve your problem. Because I'm sure as heck not going to mature anytime soon.
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            • Profile picture of the author Cali16
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Who are you calling a goofball, Lady?

              Wait....did you say entertaining?
              (Fixed that for ya! )

              My apologies; in retrospect "goofball" probably has a more derogatory connotation than I intended. I was thinking "goofy", "silly", "comical" - and that was the first word that came to mind. And yes, the witty banter can be pretty hilarious at times.

              As Suzanne said in another thread, "laughter is a gift". I agree. That's why I don't get upset just because a serious thread gets derailed by lighthearted, "goofy" banter. Life's serious enough and far too short to let something so trivial as a derailed thread be a big deal.
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Wait! Wait! Wait! Hold up a minute...

                Are we saying that we shouldn't go off topic in the Off Topic forum?

                I don't know, call me crazy lady, but something seems a bit off with that thought process.


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              • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                It would be silly to be upset or treat it as a big deal as opposed to seeing it as a friendly nudge to highlight that some people might want threads that they enjoy participating in to perhaps remain on course and not be end up having the same result as the last.

                There's nothing wrong with wanting to chime in with an opinion as a suggestion to maybe improve the WF.

                Many regulars down here had a lot to say about the WSO forum after all....
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                  It would be silly to be upset or treat it as a big deal as opposed to seeing it as a friendly nudge to highlight that some people might want threads that they enjoy participating in to remain on course and not be end up having the same result as the last.
                  I get that but I would think that others have the same capability as myself in just ignoring posts you don't want interaction with.

                  You know, it's sort of like ignoring the dust when you're not in the mood to clean, you just "don't see it" is all.


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                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                    Ignoring in any form doesn't bring a thread back to life once it's been set off course.

                    It only perhaps leaves a person a tad disappointed that the discussion they were initially interested in has diminished by people that they can't see.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                    I get that but I would think that others have the same capability as myself in just ignoring posts you don't want interaction with.
                    Agreed, Terra. The "ignore" function in the user CP comes in very handy (as Claude mentioned). I have a handful of members on it, and it makes reading threads so much more enjoyable.
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            I really never found anything quite as satisfying as coming here on a late Friday Night after consuming a 12 pack of Natural Ice :>)

            I have started earlier today , dammit

            So lets talk about who believes in God and who Doesn't. And to those twits who do, tell us why. And to those SOBs who don't , you tell us why too !!

            [This post is off topic. I apologize to those of you highly sensitive to such in advance for my glorious indiscretion.]


            You have access to fresh Shiner and you're drinking Natty?! For shame, sir, for shame.
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            I really never found anything quite as satisfying as coming here on a late Friday Night after consuming a 12 pack of Natural Ice :>)
            That is a serious buzz dude! Cheap one too. Now I understand some of your posts more clearly. lol
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    Joe...As a solutions orientated person, I suggest that instead of crying about what others post, go to your CP and use the "Ignore" feature to block the posts of the people you feel "degrade" the off topic forum.


    Problem solved. You don't have to read it, and those of us can have fun with each other without ruining your day.
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    I don't remember a time that threads always stayed on topic in here. Every now and then a thread will catch pretty muchly universal attention and everyone actually discusses the topic. Other threads get derailed by people who want to joke around - but those interested in the topic just continue to talk around it, those having fun with it just banter around the serious posts.

    I don't see this as a problem really unless the jokes start to get just too raunchy to be funny. Then it gets kinda old, but otherwise - it kinda is like a dinner party where the two at the end of the table are cutting up while a couple at the other end are highly engaged in a subject.
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    Sometimes the topic of discussion is totally abandoned when the "comedy club" takes over. Ignoring certain members will not always restart the discussion that the thread was originally intended for.

    Sure some topics will derail for lots of reasons, but when the insult and comedy club takes over and derails a thread many times the thread never "recovers".

    In many bars, as some here like to refer to the OT, if someone comes in and interrupts a discussion with complete nonsense and/or insults it is frowned upon...or worse, you might get punched in the nose.

    Sure, sometimes it can be funny, but other times it seems like a bunch of 8 year-old trolls invaded the forum to start spamming threads.

    Cheers

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    Edit: I see Daniel posted similar sentiments when I was typing my reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      @Joe, Daniel, and ForumGuru - let me ask you guys this (and please know, I'm not in any way trying to be argumentative) - What do you propose as a solution, knowing that some people probably aren't going to change their behavior, no matter how many times this issue is brought up?

      Several have suggested using the forum's ignore feature, but your response to that is once a thread is derailed, it's impossible to get it back on track.

      So, in all seriousness, what do you suggest as a viable solution?
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        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        @Joe, Daniel, and ForumGuru - let me ask you guys this (and please know, I'm not in any way trying to be argumentative) - What do you propose as a solution, knowing that some people probably aren't going to change their behavior, no matter how many times this issue is brought up?

        Several have suggested using the forum's ignore feature, but your response to that is once a thread is derailed, it's impossible to get it back on track.

        So, in all seriousness, what do you suggest as a viable solution?
        Perhaps ask the admins if they would create a new section named

        'Serious Aout Disscusion'.
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        Cali, I'm sure you're aware you've given both answer and problem.
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          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          Cali, I'm sure you're aware you've given both answer and problem.
          Nothing in my post provided a solution that seems reasonable to you, Joe, Don, or anyone else.

          My question was genuine, Daniel. Complaining, in and of itself, rarely accomplishes anything. The 'nudges' don't work, as has been shown time and again. If I have a complaint, I also try to come up with a solution - or ask others to help me find one if I can't.

          I'm sorry you completely missed the point of my post above. My question was genuine.
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            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            Complaining, in and of itself, accomplishes nothing.
            And derailing threads accomplishes what? I think Daniel made a decent point...

            Cheers

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              Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

              And derailing threads accomplishes what? I think Daniel made a decent point...

              Cheers

              -don
              See? Now that's how it works!

              You and Cheryl were having a discussion. I posted, you ignored it and continued speaking with Cheryl.


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        I don't understand how a thread can't be steered back on course. A conversation only needs two people to keep it going.

        If those two ignore those whom they have no interest in speaking with, then they talk around them and continue speaking. Right?

        Oh, wait!

        Am I derailing your conversation right now? That wasn't my intention at all.

        Well hell's bells. Every time I post in a thread now, I'm going to be wondering in the back of my mind if someone thinks I'm derailing their thread.

        Well, I do have to say though, I'd rather have my thread derailed than to have nobody respond to it at all. Now THAT hurts!


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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          I don't understand how a thread can't be steered back on course. A conversation only needs two people to keep it going.

          If those two ignore those whom they have no interest in speaking with, then they talk around them and continue speaking. Right?
          Agreed again, Terra. I've seen what you described above happen in many threads. A derailment doesn't have to be the end of a good discussion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      Sometimes the topic of discussion is totally abandoned when the "comedy club" takes over. Ignoring certain members will not always restart the discussion that the thread was originally intended for.
      The obvious answer is to post something intelligent to bring it back on track. That's a serious statement. I'm not trying to be funny.

      I do like the "It's like a bar" analogy. If the discussion is boring? I'm going to not post....or take a jab at someone I like. If my jab takes you off course? Change it back on course.

      Sitting in a corner, stewing about it.....makes people ignore you. At least that's what it's like in a real conversation.

      And if you're the OP, you get special rights. If I take it off course, and you mentioned it, I'd honor that.


      OK, now I'm going to be funny.

      Don, nobody would ever punch me in the nose. Admit it...I'm just too adorable.

      Of course, you might not even be talking about me. My Narcissism makes me assume you are.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The obvious answer is to post something intelligent to bring it back on track. That's a serious statement. I'm not trying to be funny.

        I do like the "It's like a bar" analogy. If the discussion is boring? I'm going to not post....or take a jab at someone I like. If my jab takes you off course? Change it back on course.

        Sitting in a corner, stewing about it.....makes people ignore you. At least that's what it's like in a real conversation.
        Actually, I think many of the junior members may be intimidated by what they perceive as "real" insults and jabs by members with huge post counts so they decide to refrain from posting on the topic.

        I also believe that some of the more serious senior members say "F" it, this thread ain't a serious thread and move on. It is nice to be able to read a thread without having to skip over bunches of comments that have nothing to do with the thread topic (like the back and forth insults and attempts at comedy).

        It's like the same joke is being told over and over and over again and for some it can become a bit annoying. FWIW, I am not one to sit in a corner as you can tell by my posts to this thread (and others).

        Cheers

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Don in bold me in plain mundane type.

          Actually, I think many of the junior members may be intimidated by what they perceive as "real" insults and jabs by members with huge post counts so they decide to refrain from posting on the topic.

          You may have a point there. Honestly though, if you read any three posts in an exchange, it's pretty obvious.

          I also believe that some of the more serious senior members say "F" it, this thread ain't a serious thread and move on.

          I don't think so. The majority of jabs are given and taken by the sharpest pencils in this box. The main 5 or 6 jokesters are the ones that also give the most thoughtful comments.

          Our jabs aren't really mean and vindictive. But some of the "serious" posts are.

          Watching a screaming match between two fanatics, isn't fun either. But do I complain? Well......sometimes....if it's funny.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Don in bold me in plain mundane type.

            Actually, I think many of the junior members may be intimidated by what they perceive as "real" insults and jabs by members with huge post counts so they decide to refrain from posting on the topic.

            You may have a point there. Honestly though, if you read any three posts in an exchange, it's pretty obvious.

            I also believe that some of the more serious senior members say "F" it, this thread ain't a serious thread and move on.

            I don't think so. The majority of jabs are given and taken by the sharpest pencils in this box. The main 5 or 6 jokesters are the ones that also give the most thoughtful comments.

            Our jabs aren't really mean and vindictive. But some of the "serious" posts are.

            Watching a screaming match between two fanatics, isn't fun either. But do I complain? Well......sometimes....if it's funny.
            For the record, it bothers me not in the slightest. However, I have on occasion read opening posts with the intent to comment, but subsequently don't bother because by the time I get to post five we're on to "Claude is fat lol".

            Do I think the jabs are serious? No. Are they funny? Sometimes. Can they stop people from commenting? I think it's certainly a possibility.

            That being said, my comments are generally shite, so you sure ain't missing much from me
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

            So, in all seriousness, what do you suggest as a viable solution?
            There is no solution without the cooperation of the members in question. They have the right to post whatever they like, and to hijack threads if they like, as long as what they say complies with the forum rules.

            If they were willing to consider suggestions, offered with the best of intentions, then here are two points they may want to consider:
            1. For each person that complains, there are several others who feel the same way but won't say anything because of the kind of person they are.
            2. I may be nothing more than a cranky old man, but to me, most of the "jokes" just aren't funny. They are either predictable or juvenile. Stop trying so hard to be funny. Raise the bar a little. Sometimes less is more.
            By the way, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion.
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            • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              There is no solution without the cooperation of the members in question. They have the right to post whatever they like, and to hijack threads if they like, as long as what they say complies with the forum rules...
              Yes, maybe we can add to the forum rules besides the no political and religious subjects allowed. Maybe: "Repeating the same joke within a day will get your post deleted. Repeating the same joke within an hour will get you banned. Repeat the same joke within 10 minutes and we'll send Seasoned over to your house to discuss the Fed and Obamacare."
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                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Yes, maybe we can add to the forum rules besides the no political and religious subjects allowed. Maybe: "Repeating the same joke within a day will get your post deleted. Repeating the same joke within an hour will get you banned. Repeating the same joke within 10 minutes and we'll send Seasoned over to your house to discuss the Fed and Obamacare."
                Now see, that made me laugh
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                Yes, maybe we can add to the forum rules besides the no political and religious subjects allowed. Maybe: "Repeating the same joke within a day will get your post deleted. Repeating the same joke within an hour will get you banned. Repeating the same joke within 10 minutes and we'll send Seasoned over to your house to discuss the Fed and Obamacare."


                I wasn't suggesting changing the forum rules.


                Just saw your new avatar. You make Walking Carpet look good!
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  Just saw your new avatar. You make Walking Carpet look good!
                  I'm seriously hoping this won't become a trend. Please guys ... don't start taking off your clothes to show us your muscles... and ladies too. Please dress for the occasion. Proper attire is required. No shirt, no shoes, no service.
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    I'm seriously hoping this won't become a trend. Please guys ... don't start taking off your clothes to show us your muscles... and ladies too. Please dress for the occasion. Proper attire is required. No shirt, no shoes, no service.
                    No problem. When the guy's avatars show they have more cleavage than I do, I'm not likely to embarrass myself with the same vein of imagery.
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                      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                      No problem. When the guy's avatars show they have more cleavage than I do, I'm not likely to embarrass myself with the same vein of imagery.
                      I just threw that in about the ladies so it wouldn't seem I was picking on the half naked men, and the irony of a tattooed woman with no apparent shirt on giving that advice doesn't escape me. Difference being, one is real, the other is not (hint: I don't really look like this, lol).
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                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    I'm seriously hoping this won't become a trend. Please guys ... don't start taking off your clothes to show us your muscles... and ladies too. Please dress for the occasion. Proper attire is required. No shirt, no shoes, no service.
                    You can rest assured my motorcycle is all you'll see from me. I'm pretty sure at almost 62 nobody wants to see my naked anything
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                  • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    I'm seriously hoping this won't become a trend. Please guys ... don't start taking off your clothes to show us your muscles... and ladies too. Please dress for the occasion. Proper attire is required. No shirt, no shoes, no service.
                    I don't want to derail this discussion about derailing threads, but you guys do understand I am just poking fun at a certain member here, right? ( It's Terra's fault! )
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      I don't want to derail this discussion about derailing threads, but you guys do understand I am just poking fun at a certain member here, right? ( It's Terra's fault! )
                      Yes ... I think I did realize that and then I derailed the thread about derailing threads with some chatter about naked men. Oh well. Drift happens. lol.
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                      Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                      I don't want to derail this discussion about derailing threads, but you guys do understand I am just poking fun at a certain member here, right? ( It's Terra's fault! )
                      Ha! That's what they all say.


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                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    These days,I tend to to steer clear of threads about guns and politically orientated stuff, healthcare etc. The serious interjections and observations I have placed in them were often staunchly put down or ignored so I tend to say, well it's mainly Americans talking about there countries setup that they are used to and wish to debate. Fair enough. I have said all I can and want say about the topics in my comparisons with how the rest of the worlds runs things.

                    I have started some comedic threads but not many. My, Her Majesty the Queen repatriating America to the UK was one and it turned from something that was highly entertaining and light to a slanging match over a slight (unrelated subject) between an established member and a newbie, the newbie got banned and the thread got deleted. Riffles "This Wont End Well" comment was so true but for completely different reasons.

                    I like starting threads about science, or pseudo science and their has been hot, interesting debate as well as comedy. I don't really mind. When a how to do or fix this question thread comes up theirs always a bevy of people to give serious answers or solutions and no comedy.

                    I learn from this forum, all the latest news is often here very quickly, especially who's just died and the tributes and info about them that pour in. It is melting pot of people from all over the place, it is a public bar full of serious discussion and absurd discussion. The jokes and insults are very often very clever and provide some of the best comic lines I have ever read. It requires brain power and quick wit and intelligence to come out with them.

                    However, if I was an avid amateur Ornithologist, philosopher, political advocate, whatever or had a deeply passionate love of a subject that I wished to discuss in depth with no distractions, do you think I would come here, nope, off to a serious, specialist forum.

                    So, here, I, by default accept the rough with the smooth. A bit of everything. That is the nature of this beast.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    I'm seriously hoping this won't become a trend. Please guys ... don't start taking off your clothes to show us your muscles... and ladies too. Please dress for the occasion. Proper attire is required. No shirt, no shoes, no service.
                    made me choke with laughter - you honestly are funnier than most -

                    good! we can't let the guys think they are the only comedians around here!

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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                      made me choke with laughter - you honestly are funnier than most -

                      good! we can't let the guys think they are the only comedians around here!

                      Thanks ... and yes, I realized the audacity of my request as soon as I hit Submit Reply. lol.
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            • Profile picture of the author Cali16
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              There is no solution without the cooperation of the members in question. They have the right to post whatever they like, and to hijack threads if they like, as long as what they say complies with the forum rules.
              I agree, Dennis. The solutions that have been offered (that work for several of us) aren't satisfactory to those complaining the loudest. The rest of us can't fix that.

              I was taught to not complain unless I also had a suggestion for a solution. Granted, I can't say I've followed that perfectly, but I try to keep my futile complaining to a minimum.

              As the saying goes, doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results is a sign of insanity. Since this discussion has been had multiple times, and to no avail, it seems kind of pointless to keep rehashing it, doesn't it?

              My suggestion to those bothered by all this? Keep your expectations for serious discussion low when you come to the OT forum; that way you won't be so disappointed or irritated. If some regular posters have juvenile or annoying humor, then put them on your ignore list.

              And on that note, I'm just repeating myself so I'll go crawl back under my rock...
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                I agree, Dennis. The solutions that have been offered (that work for several of us) aren't satisfactory to those complaining the loudest. The rest of us can't fix that.


                The "ignore button" solution has it's drawbacks:
                • Other people who you didn't ignore may quote the person you're trying to ignore. I think you'll see the post then, but I'm not sure because I don't anyone on ignore.
                • It's harder to follow a conversation.
                • And most importantly, the "jokers" are intelligent members who also create posts that offer wisdom, insight, and perspectives that are worth reading.
                If only the ignore feature could discriminate between the wanted and the unwanted.
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                • Profile picture of the author Cali16
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  The "ignore button" solution has it's drawbacks:
                  • Other people who you didn't ignore my quote the person you're trying to ignore. I think you'll see the post then, but I'm not sure because I do haven't anyone on ignore.
                  • It's harder to follow a conversation.
                  • And most importantly, the "jokers" are intelligent members who also create posts that offer wisdom, insight, and perspectives that are worth reading.
                  If only the ignore feature could discriminate between the wanted and the unwanted.
                  All true, Dennis, and I understand it's far from a perfect solution.

                  If there was a perfect solution that would make everyone happy, I'd be the first to offer it! But I'm fresh out of solutions other than the one's I've offered...

                  Although, maybe some software whiz could create an "ignore" function that one could customize to make it much more discriminating...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                    Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                    ...
                    If there was a perfect solution that would make everyone happy, I'd be the first to offer it!
                    I don't think there is a perfect solution, that's why I tried to find a middle ground so everyone could get some of what they wanted.


                    Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

                    ...maybe some software whiz could create an "ignore" function that one could customize to make it much more discriminating.
                    LOL, I wouldn't count on that - I can't even click a smiley and have it inserted in my posts anymore. I have to type them in manually.

                    Edited to add: And that emoticon you see above isn't even the one I tried to type in. That's the embarrassed emoticon, and I typed in the characters for what used to be the "shocked" emoticon.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              There is no solution without the cooperation of the members in question. They have the right to post whatever they like, and to hijack threads if they like, as long as what they say complies with the forum rules.

              If they were willing to consider suggestions, offered with the best of intentions, then here are two points they may want to consider:
              1. For each person that complains, there are several others who feel the same way but won't say anything because of the kind of person they are.
              2. I may be nothing more than a cranky old man, but to me, most of the "jokes" just aren't funny. They are either predictable or juvenile. Stop trying so hard to be funny. Raise the bar a little. Sometimes less is more.
              By the way, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion.

              This works both ways...There are people that make posts I don't like, but instead of complaining and trying to change how others behave, I deal with it.

              This includes people on this very thread complaining about others. One difference is, many of their posts are clearly against the rules. But instead of "suggesting" they change their behavior, I simply skim past their posts, or don't open a thread when I see they were the last person to respond.

              But some think it's best to tell others how to act instead of changing how they themselves react.

              BTW, there's plenty of other boards on this forum where there's only serious discussion. Feel free to check them out.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                This works both ways...There are people that make posts I don't like, but instead of complaining and trying to change how others behave, I deal with it.

                This includes people on this very thread complaining about others. One difference is, many of their posts are clearly against the rules. But instead of "suggesting" they change their behavior, I simply skim past their posts, or don't open a thread when I see they were the last person to respond.

                Yes, I'm well aware of that. I do the same thing...or I just don't come around as often.

                BTW, there's plenty of other boards on this forum where there's only serious discussion. Feel free to check them out.

                If that's directed at me, it's seriously misplaced.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  Yes, I'm well aware of that. I do the same thing...or I just don't come around as often.




                  If that's directed at me, it's seriously misplaced.
                  Nope, not directed at anyone specifically...just added to the end of a post where the first part was directed at you. Sorry about that. However, my point still stands, and that is many of us come here to the OT to relax and have fun.
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                • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                  Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                  ...or I just don't come around as often.
                  .
                  That's the clincher and it's a shame for it to happen.

                  I've received invites via PM to alternative means of discussion from people who were being hindered in their discussions here when jokes are posted to ridicule, derail and end their topics. I think when it's reached that point some consideration needs to be given and that's really all it takes.

                  It's best to improve what we already have here, or make some attempt to.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    That's the clincher and it's a shame for it to happen.

                    I've received invites via PM to alternative means of discussion from people who were being hindered in their discussions here when jokes are posted to ridicule, derail and end their topics. I think when it's reached that point some consideration needs to be given and that's really all it takes.

                    It's best to improve what we already have here, or make some attempt to.
                    Actually, what's really a shame is the mass departure of seasoned marketers from all the main and subforums. OT is just fluff. Nothing going on here except friends and not so friendly getting together at the pub for a few laughs and maybe some debate. We aren't shaping world policy or curing disease or anything else important. We're just shooting the breeze.

                    Just like any pub, there will be nerds, serious people, jokers, and jerks. It should be expected in a forum, really, especially when the topic is "no real topic" anything you want to talk about except politics and religion.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      The pub analogy and excuse has already been covered for its flaw I believe.

                      The fact the main forum took a dive should be incentive not to see things go stale here.

                      'Off topic' does not mean go off topic in a thread. It means off topic (separate) from Internet Marketing.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                        The pub analogy and excuse has already been covered for its flaw I believe.

                        The fact they main forum took a dive should be incentive not to see things go stale here.

                        'Off topic' does not mean go off topic in a thread. It means off topic (separate) from Internet Marketing.
                        Covered or not, determined flawed by someone or not ... who cares? The description under the Off Topic forum is "anything goes."

                        Like Sal, I don't want to be bothered with a bunch of "Off Topic" posting rules and regulations, telling people how and when and what to post.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          Covered or not, determined flawed by someone or not ... who cares? The description under the Off Topic forum is "anything goes."

                          Like Sal, I don't want to be bothered with a bunch of "Off Topic" posting rules and regulations, telling people how and when and what to post.
                          I didn't speak of rules, rather definitions and refraining from perpetually derailing a thread is just common courtesy.
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                          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                            Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                            I didn't speak of rules, rather definitions and refraining from perpetually derailing a thread is just common courtesy.
                            I don't perpetually derail threads, and I know you didn't imply that I did, but courteous or not, that's the way it rolls around here.

                            People who are so highly tuned in and interested in topics could undoubtedly find a forum that talks about nothing else until they're blue in the face and maybe even has rules against off topic posts.

                            It's just my preference and holds zero weight, but I prefer that threads just do whatever they're going to do within the boundaries allowed by WF rules. I really do get a whole lot more out of good belly laugh than I do most of the topics posted here.

                            Are some of the jokes akin to high school humor and pretty juvenile? Yes. They don't make me laugh, but they don't make me mad either.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                              Points taken Suzanne, but the chief point being raised is that those jokes aren't to the appeal of everyone and they are indeed ending threads and driving people out.

                              No more than a heads up.
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                              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                                Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                                Points taken Suzanne, but the chief point being raised is that those jokes aren't to the appeal of everyone and they are indeed ending threads and driving people out.

                                No more than a heads up.
                                That is true, except for the part about driving people out. I don't have any facts and figures about that. I'd say a half of the jokes aren't even funny ... just juvenile jabs and barbs. There's been a few times when I just continued quoting and responding to people who were on topic and continued the conversation with that going on in the background.

                                Thing is, this has been discussed before and nothing has changed and it won't change. When you're talking about the really funny stuff, I'm glad it won't change. When you're talking about the amateur hour stuff ... what can you do?

                                One thing I've noticed is that some threads that have gone on for quite a bit and are running out of steam tend to get taken over by the Merry Pranksters.

                                The posts that piss me off are the ones that profess to have no interest in the topic, and quite a few other people clearly do, but they feel obliged to post to ridicule others for their interest in the topic.

                                I think it's fair to say that no one is obligated to read or post in a thread, so if you really have no interest in it, let others that do have an interest discuss it without interference.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    That's the clincher and it's a shame for it to happen.

                    I've received invites via PM to alternative means of discussion from people who were being hindered in their discussions here when jokes are posted to ridicule, derail and end their topics. I think when it's reached that point some consideration needs to be given and that's really all it takes.

                    It's best to improve what we already have here, or make some attempt to.
                    I get it.

                    Seriously, perhaps the best way to keep threads going in a serious direction, is to post something that really adds value, and is interesting. It is easy to get off track. But I've seen plenty of threads get back on track, with a few smart comments.

                    It's a sincere suggestion.



                    Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                    I appreciate that my opinion carries some weight with you, but perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. Personally, I don't care if you guys post jokes or not, I can skip past them or just not come around here if I'm really fed up with it..

                    That's unfortunate, because your a class act, and you add value here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      I get it.

                      Seriously, perhaps the best way to keep threads going in a serious direction, is to post something that really adds value, and is interesting.
                      You're likely to find that interest and value is subjective Claude much like the appeal of the ongoing jokes posted in inappropriate places, hence the suggestions for consideration for both sides of the coin.

                      It takes no energy to let something be rather than interjecting to ruin discussion for people who might hold an interest and see value in something which you don't.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                      Let me clarify something. When I wrote...

                      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                      Personally, I don't care if you guys post jokes or not, I can skip past them or just not come around here if I'm really fed up with it.
                      That comment drew these two comments...

                      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                      That's the clincher and it's a shame for it to happen.
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      That's unfortunate, because your a class act, and you add value here.
                      ...and those two comments made me realize some of you may think I don't come around here or comment as much because of the jokes. That's not what I meant. What I meant is that not coming around would an option IF the jokes really bothered me, not that they are the current cause of my less frequent participation.

                      Truth is, there are several reasons I participate less frequently here. I won't bore you with the details, I just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding my original choice of words may have created. OK? OK!
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              There is no solution without the cooperation of the members in question. They have the right to post whatever they like, and to hijack threads if they like, as long as what they say complies with the forum rules.
              .
              Dennis;

              Your opinion actually carries weight with me.

              Will I change my behavior? No. Just like none of the rest here will.

              But it does bother me that I may be the cause of some irritation to you.

              And to Dennis, and the rest of you mugs....

              Seriously, if a thread is important to you, and I am the one spinning it out of control, it's just because I didn't recognize the subject as personally important. A quick PM would get me to delete my post, almost certainly.
              Also, a quick post, voicing your concern, would get a joke post deleted, at least one of mine.

              But again, nobody here is going to change their behavior, on either side of the issue.

              I do offer a real solution. If we all want to get along, and become a harmonious group...we need a common enemy. We need someone we can all hate. A sacrifice, if you will.

              I vote for the English. They are non-violent, and easy to beat up. And they talk funny.
              No...no...a few of the truly smart people here are English.....

              Where is WalkingCarpet from, again?
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Dennis;

                Your opinion actually carries weight with me.

                Will I change my behavior? No. Just like none of the rest here will.

                But it does bother me that I may be the cause of some irritation to you.

                I appreciate that my opinion carries some weight with you, but perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. Personally, I don't care if you guys post jokes or not, I can skip past them or just not come around here if I'm really fed up with it. I support your right to say what you like.

                I was just trying to help find a compromise each side could live with. I've always been a peace maker. It's one of my character flaws.
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              • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Dennis;

                Your opinion actually carries weight with me.

                Will I change my behavior? No.
                I guess it doesn't hold that much weight.

                Just like none of the rest here will.
                I don't think that is true Claude. Many of us who like to debate certain topics have made an effort to tone it down. That's all Dennis is asking I think and you simply say you won't change.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  I guess it doesn't hold that much weight.



                  I don't think that is true Claude. Many of us who like to debate certain topics have made an effort to tone it down. That's all Dennis suggested I think and you simply say you won't change.


                  Fixed that for you.


                  And as I mentioned previously, the only reason I suggested it was to try to make peace. Personally, it makes little difference to me.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

                  I guess it doesn't hold that much weight.



                  I don't think that is true Claude. Many of us who like to debate certain topics have made an effort to tone it down. That's all Dennis is asking I think and you simply say you won't change.
                  Tim;

                  But we won't change. Look at the threads from 2 years ago. The same arguments, the same complaining, the same vicious "debates"......the same craziness. The same few people, complaining about the same 7 or 8 witty people.

                  The efforts to tone it down may be sincere, but they are short lived. Dennis has my respect, and he's one of the few people here, that it would bother me, if I offended him.

                  And I respect him enough not to lie about changing my personality.

                  Heck, in 10 days, most of us won't even remember this thread was even here.

                  Something that I have done, is when I see Dennis post, and I see that he's being serious, I won't poke fun at it. In fact, I can't remember the last time I teased him.

                  The other three that are not amused? There is a different reason I don't trade barbs with you.
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                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                    Heck, in 10 days, most of us won't even remember this thread was even here.
                    Try about an hour
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                  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    But we won't change. Look at the threads from 2 years ago. The same arguments, the same complaining, the same vicious "debates"......the same craziness. The same few people, complaining about the same 7 or 8 witty people.

                    Heck, in 10 days, most of us won't even remember this thread was even here.

                    .
                    Given your detailed recollection of a thread 2 years ago I'm confident that 10 days won't prove to be unforgettable....
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


                    The efforts to tone it down may be sincere, but they are short lived. Dennis has my respect, and he's one of the few people here, that it would bother me, if I offended him.
                    Is that empathy? I think you better have the psychopathic diagnosis thing checked again...are you sure your doctor didn't say psychopathetic instead?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      Is that empathy? I think you better have the psychopathic diagnosis thing checked again...are you sure your doctor didn't say psychopathetic instead?
                      I'm going to use that.

                      And Dennis has a reasonableness that I respect.
                      "Psychopathetic"....Jeesh, that's genius.


                      Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                      You think too much.
                      Bravo.

                      To Kurt;

                      Sorry, but that just struck me as hilariously funny. And I have to give props when they are deserved.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        I'm going to use that.

                        And Dennis has a reasonableness that I respect.
                        "Psychopathetic"....Jeesh, that's genius.



                        Bravo.

                        To Kurt;

                        Sorry, but that just struck me as hilariously funny. And I have to give props when they are deserved.
                        IMO, it's the intent of the post as to whether it's funny or not...But since Daniel doesn't believe in joking around, I took his comment to be serious. Maybe I'm wrong?


                        But yes, I do diagnose you as psychopathetic...No charge.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          IMO, it's the intent of the post as to whether it's funny or not...But since Daniel doesn't believe in joking around, I took his comment to be serious. Maybe I'm wrong?


                          But yes, I do diagnose you as psychopathetic...No charge.
                          No idea about Daniel's post. It just struck me as really funny. Intentional or not. And I'm not sure which way it would be funnier.

                          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                          Tolerance as you so state, is a form of courtesy.
                          WOW!

                          Kurt, even you have to admit that he just handed it to you.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            WOW!

                            Kurt, even you have to admit that he just handed it to you.
                            You're kind of pot-stirrer, aren't you?
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                              You know what? Dennis and I have something in common and that is being a peace maker. Well, there is actually a lot more than that, but for this thread, it is being a peace maker.

                              I like his thoughts on compromising. And I've got to give it a fair shot.

                              Soo, can we just make a compromise here and take our derailments from this...





                              to this...





                              Oh, uh, pretty please?


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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Tim;

                    But we won't change. Look at the threads from 2 years ago. The same arguments, the same complaining, the same vicious "debates"......the same craziness. The same few people, complaining about the same 7 or 8 witty people.

                    The efforts to tone it down may be sincere, but they are short lived. Dennis has my respect, and he's one of the few people here, that it would bother me, if I offended him.

                    And I respect him enough not to lie about changing my personality.

                    Heck, in 10 days, most of us won't even remember this thread was even here.

                    Something that I have done, is when I see Dennis post, and I see that he's being serious, I won't poke fun at it. In fact, I can't remember the last time I teased him.

                    The other three that are not amused? There is a different reason I don't trade barbs with you.
                    I have only one thing that I am extremely sensitive about - and you found it. LOL. That's life. You had no way of knowing after years of joking that I had a flash point. Yet I've found that once you accidentally hit it, you've backed off all teasing with me. Anyone can hit someone's sensitive spot if they joke around enough. I'm sure over the years that I've hit a few. In fact, I think I found one of yours once, too.

                    While you did really smack me (for reasons someday I might actually tell you about and you might find interesting...or not), I'm kinda sorry that you seem to feel that kid gloves are necessary when addressing me now. They aren't. I've rarely in my life held it against someone for saying something that could be called "offensive" - about any subject including myself.

                    While sometimes when I'm trying to get into a discussion the humor will get to me a little, often there are some gems in the banter that are well worth the grin I get, so I at least lightly browse that BS while paying real attention to the actual subject. Being able to be yourself in here is extremely important - and I value that people feel free to be themselves, even when themselves are complete assholes. All in all, this may be the OT but it's still the OT in a business forum, and I have found over the years that it's the personality that comes out when the guard is down here in the OT that allows us to understand the person the best, and makes for the best decisions about who we want to do business with outside of the forum. If we have to masque who we are and the way we are thinking about anything, we lose the most valuable part of this forum.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                      I have only one thing that I am extremely sensitive about - and you found it. LOL. That's life. You had no way of knowing after years of joking that I had a flash point. Yet I've found that once you accidentally hit it, you've backed off all teasing with me. Anyone can hit someone's sensitive spot if they joke around enough. I'm sure over the years that I've hit a few. In fact, I think I found one of yours once, too.

                      While you did really smack me (for reasons someday I might actually tell you about and you might find interesting...or not), I'm kinda sorry that you seem to feel that kid gloves are necessary when addressing me now.
                      It isn't just you, Sal. I've backed off of teasing most people here. It's only a couple that I really go at it with. But even with Riffle, we have discussed boundaries. I just know what they are.
                      Kurt is so merciless (and brilliant) that if I offended him, I'd be completely shocked. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Kurt's account is actually manned by a bored group of comedy writers, bent on destroying me.

                      But me? I'm bulletproof. It's why I make fun of myself, and mostly respond to teasing directed at me.

                      You're OK, young lady. I haven't teased you at all, because you haven't teased me, so I have nothing to jab back at.


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                      Disclaimer: The Claude jab was not supposed to be very funny and was for educational use only.
                      That's really slipping the jab.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                        I have been guilty about being sensitive on some topics, posting things I shouldn't - taking myself too seriously. But at the end of the day, I feel the same about this OT - that's it's akin to a bar/lounge - with the jokers in one corner, the crazies in another, the serious in another, and the normal conversationalists in the other corner -

                        I honestly think for the most part, we are all really good people in here - very smart, most of us - and the jokes have become a normal part of this place for me - I find you can get a topic back on track fairly easily if there's enough interest - and you can just skip over the parts that are pure silliness - or you can laugh and take part.

                        With all the ugliness in the world right now, I think laughter is therapeutic - bring it on !

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                      • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        It isn't just you, Sal. I've backed off of teasing most people here. It's only a couple that I really go at it with. But even with Riffle, we have discussed boundaries. I just know what they are.
                        Kurt is so merciless (and brilliant) that if I offended him, I'd be completely shocked. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Kurt's account is actually manned by a bored group of comedy writers, bent on destroying me.

                        But me? I'm bulletproof. It's why I make fun of myself, and mostly respond to teasing directed at me.

                        You're OK, young lady. I haven't teased you at all, because you haven't teased me, so I have nothing to jab back at.




                        That's really slipping the jab.
                        Would you believe it if I told you I haven't jabbed because I just plain haven't thought of anything unique enough to say that it would be funny? Someday, sir. Someday. I still owe you one. It has to be good.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Dennis;

                Your opinion actually carries weight with me.

                Will I change my behavior? No. Just like none of the rest here will.

                But it does bother me that I may be the cause of some irritation to you.

                And to Dennis, and the rest of you mugs....

                Seriously, if a thread is important to you, and I am the one spinning it out of control, it's just because I didn't recognize the subject as personally important. A quick PM would get me to delete my post, almost certainly.
                Also, a quick post, voicing your concern, would get a joke post deleted, at least one of mine.

                But again, nobody here is going to change their behavior, on either side of the issue.

                I do offer a real solution. If we all want to get along, and become a harmonious group...we need a common enemy. We need someone we can all hate. A sacrifice, if you will.

                I vote for the English. They are non-violent, and easy to beat up. And they talk funny.
                No...no...a few of the truly smart people here are English.....

                Where is WalkingCarpet from, again?

                Claude...Something else to think about...For every person that says they won't/don't come around as much due to joking around, there's another that won't come around as much if there was less joking around.


                All members can skip posts and/or put people on "ignore" if they choose, which is the best solution, instead of telling other people how to act. There's a few types of posts I don't particularly like, but I like most of the people that make them, and I don't complain about them simply because I don't feel they should stop making posts just because I don't care for the posts.
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                • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
                  Kurt, using the Ignore feature is not the best solution for reasons that have already been explained.

                  There are many people who will visit a thread without having ever used the ignore feature and they will only see the torrent of non relevant exchanges. Above all, guests (potential members) don't even have an ignore feature.

                  Claiming that people are trying to tell people how to act rather than suggesting that they simply adopt some common courtesy in the interest of some members and the forum in general is perhaps a bit unfair. People have just been encouraged to act the same in places that are more appropriate.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                    Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

                    Kurt, using the Ignore feature is not the best solution for reasons that have already been explained.

                    There are many people who will visit a thread without having ever used the ignore feature and they will only see the torrent of non relevant exchanges. Above all, guests (potential members) don't even have an ignore feature.

                    Claiming that people are trying to tell people how to act rather than suggesting that they simply adopt some common courtesy in the interest of some members and the forum in general is perhaps a bit unfair. People have just been encouraged to act the same in places that are more appropriate.
                    I read the posts about the ignore feature and disagree. And my comment was about members, not guests. Guest can sign up and become members, it's up to them.


                    And, I've NEVER put anyone on ignore, either here or any other forum I've been a member of. But it's an option, as there are no perfect options.


                    This Off Topic forum says "anything goes", except for religion and politics. Like I posted above, I'll bet the political, religious and other argumentative posts and threads (like this one) hurt this forum far more than some of us having fun.


                    I suggest you spend more of your time concerned with the obvious threads and posts (like many made by the OP) that clearly break the rules and are combative and divisive. They hurt this forum much more than any joking around.


                    And there's times when I've posted something funny to try to intentionally derail a combative (or sometimes ignorant) thread.


                    People can carry on multiple conversations with different people in the same thread. They have in the past and they can in the future. That's what the scroll bar is for. And tolerance is also a form of courtesy.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      Something that I have done, is when I see Dennis post, and I see that he's being serious, I won't poke fun at it. In fact, I can't remember the last time I teased him.
                      Ah . . . so that's why I have been feeling left out and neglected. :p

                      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                      And tolerance is also a form of courtesy.
                      That's an excellent point - one that many would do well to remember.

                      Still, I don't think it's unreasonable to politely request the jokesters scale back a little. That's within their right to post what they like, too. No one has to oblige them.

                      That's why I tried to steer the opposing sides toward a compromise. Like I said, being a peace maker is one of my character flaws.

                      The way I see it is simple:

                      Request: Please scale back the jokes.
                      Reply: No.
                      Suggestion: Compromise?
                      Reply: No.

                      Game over, life goes on as usual.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    I don't care for many screaming matches either --> but as long as the "screaming match" stays on topic, and does not get too personal, I don't really mind as this is a discussion board. Some discussions on certain topics may become passionate and/or tedious, and I respect that. IMO that's far different from people deliberately derailing thread after thread after the thread with the same old (or very similar) insults and attempts at comedy.

    I think some of the more serious members do refrain from some discussion after a thread has been derailed, and I believe this is evidenced by the lack of (or decrease in) serious on-topic replies on some of the threads that have been intentionally derailed.

    And yes, it is usually the same 5 or 6 jokesters that derail thread after thread after thread. Why do so many different (some of which are serious) threads have to be used for insult-fests and mini-comedy clubs?

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I often get some really good laughs from "the Comedy Club." I don't have a problem with it and if it is a "serious" discussion, I don't have any trouble getting back to the main topic. I don't agree with the term screaming match for some of the serious discussions though. Just because a diverse group of people disagree with each other, doesn't mean they're screaming. It means they disagree. It would be a fairly boring discussion if that weren't the case.

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    PS...How about this for a suggestion? If you're in a "debate" with someone, limit your own responses to 3. If you can't make your point or change someone's mind in 3 posts, then you never will. I find those that need the last word far more irritating than those trying to get a chuckle.


    If we're really concerned with what new members will think, this is probably the place to start. I'll bet a coke that these "debates" scare off more new members than our jokes.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I hate the ignore button. Even if I don't care for someone, I still want to see what's going on in a conversation and want both sides of it.

    Somehow you people are making me feel extremely smart. I can both return a jab and talk seriously in the same post. I've seen a few threads that never get back on track, but figure if that is the case, it's because nobody else really feels like discussing the actual topic. If I make a serious post in the middle of a series of jokes and nobody answers later with a serious thought, I'm guessing that the thread otherwise would have just died without posters anyhow.

    I've been inflamed by jokes once or twice when pointed at me, but that's what happens when you joke with people. Sometimes you get into a personally quirky taboo region. That can't be helped unless you forbid joking at all and who wants that to happen. Really? If you smack someone when they cross lines, they usually understand and just avoid that area with you later. It's not like those joking forbid real conversation just because it's the bar. Give and take.

    What I find is that people sometimes think more about the rules of conversation more than they do the subjects up for conversation. I don't like rules. I have very few rules for conversation. I can tell you how to conduct debate via Roberts Rules of Order but I'd hate that to happen in here. I'd just hate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I hate the ignore button. Even if I don't care for someone, I still want to see what's going on in a conversation and want both sides of it.

      Somehow you people are making me feel extremely smart. I can both return a jab and talk seriously in the same post. I've seen a few threads that never get back on track, but figure if that is the case, it's because nobody else really feels like discussing the actual topic. If I make a serious post in the middle of a series of jokes and nobody answers later with a serious thought, I'm guessing that the thread otherwise would have just died without posters anyhow.

      I've been inflamed by jokes once or twice when pointed at me, but that's what happens when you joke with people. Sometimes you get into a personally quirky taboo region. That can't be helped unless you forbid joking at all and who wants that to happen. Really? If you smack someone when they cross lines, they usually understand and just avoid that area with you later. It's not like those joking forbid real conversation just because it's the bar. Give and take.

      What I find is that people sometimes think more about the rules of conversation more than they do the subjects up for conversation. I don't like rules. I have very few rules for conversation. I can tell you how to conduct debate via Roberts Rules of Order but I'd hate that to happen in here. I'd just hate it.
      I don't like the ignore button either but for quite the different reason.

      My curiosity is just too darn strong! I don't like not knowing what someone is saying even if it is stupid, asinine, ridiculous or obnoxious.

      Besides, I can reaffirm my opinion of that person over and over again to myself, haha!

      And how else can I get a good eye work out if not by rolling them over and over again here.


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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I just threw that in about the ladies so it wouldn't seem I was picking on the half (or more) naked men, and the irony of a tattooed woman with no apparent shirt on giving that advice doesn't escape me. Difference being, one is real, the other is not (hint: I don't really look like this, lol).
    Holy crap. I always noticed the headgear - cigar and tatoo - and never noticed that the woman in the pic is, apparently, otherwise naked. LMAO. Looking back on some of your posts to WC now - that's pretty hilarious. I'm wondering now if your posts ever caused him any RCA dog head tilt neck muscle stiffness.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Well, yeah, Terra - how would ya know when we're talking about you if you hit the ignore button?
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well, yeah, Terra - how would ya know when we're talking about you if you hit the ignore button?
      Well, I would have two options. I could call you and let you tell me all about it.

      Or I could visit the forum without logging in and see all of the posts from the people on my ignore list...I think. It would seem that if you're not logged in, then your personal settings aren't activated. However, I've not tested the theory, lol!


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        First world problems. What are ya gonna do?

        If this thread is any indication of the worst of our troubles at this moment in life, it's a good day.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    I just threw that in about the ladies so it wouldn't seem I was picking on the half naked men, and the irony of a tattooed woman with no apparent shirt on giving that advice doesn't escape me. Difference being, one is real, the other is not (hint: I don't really look like this, lol).
    I wonder how many hearts / fantasies you just crushed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Just so everyone is aware, I have put everyone in this thread on my ignore list.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    So what's with the Candles in the title? Where are the Candles?
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      So what's with the Candles in the title? Where are the Candles?
      That would be from the very first post, Suzanne.

      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

      I remember how we use to complain about the missteps of Freelancer and how they were destroying the WF.

      ...

      They can't hold a candle to the Emotionally Needy and the Claudettes when it comes to the degradation of the Off-Topic Forum.


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      And I'll throw in one of mine for posterity's sake.




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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    But. isn't the point of the forum to communicate? Not everyone understands the same, not everyone knows they aren't being funny, to them, perhaps they are.

    But shouldn't we just try and accept people instead of wanting them to do what we want?
    Like isn't this whole thread to make the few people who do these things feel bad?

    I don't know, there is so much heart-ache in the world why can't we just have a place we can be ourselves and not give a hoot what anyone may think of it?

    If you irritate me I will tell you, if you continue you will be blocked. It is simple. Why can't we just accept people. Complain about this, complain about that. this joke sucks, this person sucks, whatever, we all suck LOL

    Let's just try to get a long with each other, so that it is a good place for everyone and not a select few.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Repeat the same joke within 10 minutes and we'll send Seasoned over to your house to discuss the Fed and Obamacare."
    I am never telling another joke again.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      I am never telling another joke again.
      Please say it isn't so!

      You have no idea how may times your jokes were just the lift that I needed at the given moment that I read them

      Smiles and giggles and chuckles are priceless and greatly appreciated.

      Now, hopefully my post has made you deterrable.


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  • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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    Re: Anything Goes

    Some members may be stretching the definition a bit as it applies to the forum, me thinks. Threads are created on certain topics for a reason, and it is common forum courtesy to not intentionally derail or hijack threads with off topic comments, insults, and attempts at comedic back and forths.

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author Kurt
      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

      Re: Anything Goes

      Some people may be stretching the definition a bit as it applies to the forum, me thinks. Threads are created on certain topics for a reason, and it is common forum courtesy to not intentionally derail or hijack threads with off topic comments, insults, and attempts at comedic back and forths.

      Cheers

      -don
      And me thinks that joking with friends is not only within the letter of the "anything goes", but within the spirit of it as well.


      Me also thinks your political posts and serious personal insults go well beyond both the letter and spirit of the rules.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        And me thinks that joking with friends is not only within the letter of the "anything goes", but within the spirit of it as well.


        Me also thinks your political posts and serious personal insults go well beyond both the letter and spirit of the rules.
        You think too much.
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      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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        Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

        And me thinks that joking with friends is not only within the letter of the "anything goes", but within the spirit of it as well.
        On your own threads, maybe.

        Me also thinks your political posts and serious personal insults go well beyond both the letter and spirit of the rules.
        What a laugher --> you are talking smack now as I rarely make political posts, and I have made very few (if any) "serious personal insults". I guess you like to tell a few stories and derail threads. In-fact I avoid most threads that I think may get overly political, and over time, I have been refraining from posting on more and more threads because I know some of the more partisan members are going to join the thread and take it straight to where it is not supposed to go.

        Serious personal insults? You are pointing the finger at the wrong guy, bud. Why don't you point the finger at a few here that do derail threads with garbage posts and serious personal insults?

        Political posts are not allowed and they will be removed if reported, so start reporting them. Personal insults are not allowed so report them when you see them. I do my share of reporting and you should do the same.

        If you don't like the topic of a thread then avoid it....that's a far different situation than people intentionally derailing perfectly good threads with a bunch of juvenile back and forth off topic banter.

        Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    tolerance is also a form of courtesy.
    What Kurt said!

    I believe it was Jon Postel who coined the recommendation "Be conservative in what you generate and liberal in what you accept." He was talking about email handling policies, but it struck me as some of the best general life advice I've ever heard.


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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    hopefully my post has made you deterrable.
    Nope. That's Ivan.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Nope. That's Ivan.

      What do we need to deter Ivan from?


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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    [sigh] Ivan de-Terra-ble?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      [sigh] Ivan de-Terra-ble?
      [/sigh]

      Length of time between Paul's promise of no more jokes...and his next joke?

      54 minutes.

      But it was a good one, after he explained it to me...I mean Terra.



      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      You're kind of pot-stirrer, aren't you?
      Not that I'm aware of. But I appreciate a good jab, no matter who it comes from, or where it's going.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Length of time between Paul's promise of no more jokes...and his next joke?

        54 minutes.

        But it was a god one, after he explained it to me...I mean Terra.
        There's a rule against political and religious posts. Paul shouldn't make god jokes here. I may have to report him.

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        I think we should try the dual response approach. A serious answer or a contribution to the topic followed by a joke/rebuttal or humorous observation. Example below:

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        "Tim

        I think the co-efficent of linear expansion of a 2 by 4 piece of plywood would be more than enough to hold your shelves up given the metric dimensions you have described."

        "When Claude went on a crash diet the local Dunkin Dounuts went bankrupt"

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        Disclaimer: The Claude jab was not supposed to be very funny and was for educational use only.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      [sigh] Ivan de-Terra-ble?
      [/sigh]
      Oh.

      I'm sorry if I caused you any terebration from my response.


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Terra,

        According to my cerebration, tears and abrasions are not prospects for conflation.


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        PS: Sorry, Daniel. Are these more appropriate forms of humor?
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Terra,

          According to my cerebration, tears and abrasions are not prospects for conflation.


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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Terra,
            You tolutiloquent, you!
            New word! Thanks.


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              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Terra,New word! Thanks.


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              How awesome is that?

              Oh, and you're very welcome.


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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Sorry, Daniel. Are these more appropriate forms of humor?
          Worse. Please don't let this be a trend, to paraphrase Suzanne. ( Just kidding. Those were funny. Well, I think they were. Where's my dictionary? )
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    So I heard this great joke today.

    Dylan was practicing his golf swing in his front yard when he swung a little too hard and sent the ball through his neighbors window. Dylan ran over and rang the doorbell three times. After no one answered for a few minutes, he opened the door to see broken glass everywhere, a lamp lying on the ground, and a huge fat Arabian man wearing a turban sitting on the couch.

    Dylan asked, "Who are you?" The fat man replied, "I am a genie you have freed from that lamp." Dylan questioned, "Oh man, do I get three wishes?" The genie replied, "Since you freed me by accident you only get two and I get one."

    Dylan thought about it and realized what he wanted, "I want to be the best golfer ever." The surprised genie said, "You sure? Most people wish for money, but okay. Now your wife gets one wish." Dylan brought over his wife who wished right away, "I want a million dollars every week of my life."

    The genie said, "Granted. And now for my wish, I have been cramped up in that lamp for many years so its been a while since I've been with a woman. I want one day of wild, crazy sex with your wife, Dylan." Dylan said, "No way!" The genie replied, "Not even for a million dollars a week?" Dylan turned to his wife, who said, "I guess for all that, I should. Well, not until Dylan leaves."

    Dylan said, "Okay, have fun, I guess," and left. Dylan's wife then proceeded to have wild sex for the rest of the day with the genie. When they were finished, the genie asked how old her husband was. She said, "Forty-five."

    The Genie laughed and said, "Isn't he a little old to be believing in genies?"
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Claude,
      Length of time between Paul's promise of no more jokes...and his next joke?

      54 minutes.
      Zero minutes, actually. And no seconds. So... Phhhhfffthhhthtt!

      Mr. Wombat,
      Paul shouldn't make god jokes here.
      I'm having Flip-backs...

      "The Devil made me do it!"



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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    We could set up new rules to match the WSO rules which would eliminate many of the problems. Something like this:
    1. Any thread related to politics will be promptly deleted.
    2. Any thread related to religion will be promptly deleted.
    3. Any thread related to race, including mentioning someone's skin color or even the color of a pet such as black pussy cat/white fluffy bunnies or other animal will be promptly deleted.
    4. Any thread that Walking Carpet posts in will be promptly deleted.
    5. Any thread with comparisons to other posters such as "whatever Riffle isn't drinking" will be promptly deleted.
    6. Any thread complaining about companies such as Google, Facebook, Freelancer, or Amway violates rule #1 and will be promptly deleted.
    7. Any thread talking about natural disasters or sickness violates rule #1 (complaint about God part) and will be promptly deleted.
    8. Any thread with posts that have more than one exclamation point or question mark per sentence will be promptly deleted
    9. Any thread with posts that have more than one capital letter per sentence except in the case of an acronym such as SCUBA will be promptly deleted.
    10. Any best music or movie related threads that has other singers or actors listed besides Olivia Newton-John will be promptly deleted.
    Would that work?
    Mark
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