it's spam...but...then again....

Seldom ever? Really? Hahaha! Well that explains quite a bit about what you have to say. Sorry, you did that, not me.

Anyway, posting in the Off Topic section of the Warrior Forum is not the same as taking my toys home. It is taking my toys to a different office space of a rather a large building. Oh, and I'm disappointed in your attempt to recover from that blooper. Talk about failing.

You sure are making me laugh a lot today. You condescendingly tell me that you have been here a lot of years and your join date is the same year as mine. Heh, heh! And although you have more posts "that count", you can quite clearly see that I have posted in the other sections as well. I have always until recently participated in both.

And since you want to get personal with the "I this and I that", then last, but certainly not least, how many times have you been banned for not respecting the rules of this place and how many times have I?

Uh, huh! That's what I thought.


Terra

I thought I might be misjudging so I took a few minutes to research a bit here. What I found is not what I expected.

Mike points to people in the OT and I found a recent post upstairs where Mike says

I agree with much of that - but who is being a bit disingenuous?

I looked at Mike's "engagement" upstairs and what I found what a pattern of arguing and dissing ONE particular person.

Not answering questions asked of newbies or posting methods and ideas - but coming into thread after thread to argue with anything posted by ONE person - that person would be Yukon.

Every post you've made recently (in other than OT section) were aimed at this ONE person - and your comments from several threads aimed at that ONE person include:

Like I've said several times - one of the problems the WF has right now is the rudeness that is allowed in thread after thread.

Every post you've made is putting someone else or their knowledge - down. When you did that exact thing in the past - mods put a stop to it. Now it's business as usual here and contributes nothing to the quality.

I've posted rather bluntly to a few people who were abusing other members or making outlandish claims that didn't match their reality. What you seem to do is conduct a campaign against one person....how does that contribute to quality here?

It is actually the opposite.

The demand/buyers determines the market. When the market is no longer viable the marketers leave.

How many businesses are targeting Sochi, Russia these days?


It was a tongue in cheek comment.

The point being it isn't one thing but a number of different factors.


Oh, so we agree

But not on the same list of reasons.


I disagree.

There have always been many newbs and noobs and new members joining the WF.

Nobody left because they didn't like the influx of "newbs". That never stops.

Some were helpful to newbs, others were vicious to newbs. But an influx of newbs and their lack of knowledge and experience never made anyone throw up their hands and quit.

New members joining a thriving forum is a good thing and most welcomed new traffic.


Again, I don't really agree because nobody knew/knows what the new policies were/are.

The new policies caused other issues that upset a lot of people but mostly it wasn't the policies per se but the way they were applied (or not applied).


Not true at all.

The whole point here is to make money. Long before FL there was speculation about how Allan Says had it made, how much revenue WF made, etc., etc.

There may have been grumblings because FL acted exactly like an out-of-touch corporation that took over a beloved franchise.

Much like Disney buying Star Wars. There are huge fears that Disney will mangle the franchise in the name of knuckling it under their brand.

Look at the marketing and social media effort Disney made to belie this fear.


I would disagree with this as well.

There has always been a wide range of quality of content and products good and bad. It had not 'deteriorated' in any significant way before FL.

If anything FL has been poorer at weeding out the scams and poor quality content.

In fact, that is one of the complaints: The Mods do not evaluate quality and weed out low value posts.

They go after obvious spam, but not the rehashed misinformation and useless no value posts.


I'm not sure what this means but I doubt people left because of that.

If you mean changing/restricting how WSO payments are handled and what service providers one can use, that may have been a factor.

Not because FL didn't play nice but because sellers could no longer process sales with their preferred platform.

I am speculating from reading posts as I do not sell WSOs.


I think your list shows the disconnect between what WF thinks is wrong and what the real problems are. And I'm not claiming to know all the real problems or have solutions.

I think it was a huge blunder to change the interface and take away the search function and the ability to see what threads you are participating in.

A forum thrives on engagement. Disabling the ability for forum members to engage had a much bigger impact than LF could imagine.

The fact it took so long to fix these issues shows the low priority FL put towards building a forum where people can actually interact with each other.

How can you interact if you can't find your threads?

Why go to a forum if you can't interact?

I don't feel as angry as some about the changes, but I am mystified by the complete lack of insight displayed by FL.

FL's first reaction is to reassure everyone that they are listening, they understand and things will get better.

As the weeks and month so by it is clear FL is not really listening, does not really understand and things are not getting better.

Now FL has changed from proactively trying to improve things and engaging the forum to attacking the forum members and blaming them for the problems.

If you actually look at posts from regular members in the main forum, they are all still genuinely helpful and try to engage newbs in a positive way. Especially when a legitimate problem is poised and not a generic unanswerable question.

As Kay pointed out, your participation in the Main Forum has not exactly been positive or friendly.