ɪntə'næʃənəl fə'nɛtɪk əsoʊsi'eɪʃn - International Phonetic Association | Warrior Forum - The #1 Digital Marketing Forum & Marketplace

9 years ago

One of the first things you do in linguistics is learn the international phonetic alphabet. I don't remember it. LOL - but it really would be almost impossible to study some areas of linguistics if you didn't know it.

Now my only question is what was your point in posting it?

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9881703].message }}

Joe Mobley

9 years ago

Sal, you're making an assumption that I have a point.

Okay, okay, I just found it interesting and thought some others might.

Joe Mobley

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

.

Follow Me on Twitter: @daVinciJoe

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9881716].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Sal, you're making an assumption that I have a point.

Okay, okay, I just found it interesting and thought some others might.

Joe Mobley

Yeah, you're right - that was a stupid assumption. I didn't know they updated it. That is interesting, at least to me.

What is real interesting is that when a first language doesn't differentiate between what is 2 different sounds in another language, when people are learning that language, they won't even hear the difference. For instance when Japanese are speaking or learning English, they confuse the two fricatives "r" and "l" because there's no distinction between the two in Japanese. An example of this principle is the joke:
What do you call a woman with one leg shorter than the other in America? Ilene
What do you call her in Japan - Irene.

If were to tell that joke to a Japanese, they wouldn't understand it unless they were trained to hear the difference. Beginning English speakers wouldn't get the joke because they would think you said the same thing when you said Irene and Ilene.

Hmmmmmmmmm -- gak. I just figured out that I studied something exceedingly boring for years. Sigh.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882454].message }}

Joe Mobley 9 years ago

I knew when I posted this that it would have limited appeal.

Joe Mobley
- Thanks
- 1 reply
Signature

.
Follow Me on Twitter: @daVinciJoe
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882480].message }}
- positivenegative 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Joe Mobley
  
  I knew when I posted this that it would have limited appeal and I would be ostracised from, and ridiculed by the OTF forever
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  [ 2 ] Thanks
  
  1 reply
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882504].message }}
  
  HeySal 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by positivenegative
  
  Fixed that for you.
  
  You forgot the comma after "by".
  
  [ 1 ] Thanks
  
  1 reply
  
  Signature
  
  Sal
  When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
  Beyond the Path
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882581].message }}
  
  MissTerraK 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by HeySal
  
  You forgot the comma after "by".
  
  You forgot the "fixed that for ya".
  
  Terra
  
  [ 1 ] Thanks
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882584].message }}

David Beroff

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

What is real interesting is that when a first language doesn't differentiate between what is 2 different sounds in another language, when people are learning that language, they won't even hear the difference. For instance when Japanese are speaking or learning English, they confuse the two fricatives "r" and "l" because there's no distinction between the two in Japanese.

That reminds me of a conversation I had decades ago with a young man who was trying to get me to understand and pronounce an intermediate sound between the voiced and voiceless alveolar stops, (i.e., a point on a claimed continuum between "d" and "t"), that he stated was used among his fellow young men of North Philadelphia at the time, to produce a word somewhere between "duck" and "tuck". Vocal cords either vibrate or they don't, so I was having some difficulty in wrapping my brain around this idea. I'm not sure one can make them vibrate partially or "weakly", so my best guess was that the sound employed a very brief vibration, followed by a overly forced voiceless sound for emphasis.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

Put MY voice on YOUR video: AwesomeAmericanAudio.com

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9885710].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

That reminds me of a conversation I had decades ago with a young man who was trying to get me to understand and pronounce an intermediate sound between the voiced and voiceless alveolar stops, (i.e., a point on a claimed continuum between "d" and "t"), that he stated was used among his fellow young men of North Philadelphia at the time, to produce a word somewhere between "duck" and "tuck". Vocal cords either vibrate or they don't, so I was having some difficulty in wrapping my brain around this idea. I'm not sure one can make them vibrate partially or "weakly", so my best guess was that the sound employed a very brief vibration, followed by a overly forced voiceless sound for emphasis.

I know what you are saying but would have to actually hear the sound to fully comprehend what the intended sound would be. If I read this correctly, they are holding their tongue in the position for a T and saying D - which would take real and honest practice for us to hear and then to reproduce that sound. The hard part is to learn to hear the difference. Once you can differentiate the sounds, you can learn to make them.

The only sound I've seen people really have insurmountable problems learning to reproduce is that clicking sound in the throat they have in Khoisanlanguages of Africa. I can make the click, but I can't do it while talking. I still wonder who the heck thought of that one.

Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9885795].message }}

Kurt

9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

That reminds me of a conversation I had decades ago with a young man who was trying to get me to understand and pronounce an intermediate sound between the voiced and voiceless alveolar stops, (i.e., a point on a claimed continuum between "d" and "t"), that he stated was used among his fellow young men of North Philadelphia at the time, to produce a word somewhere between "duck" and "tuck". Vocal cords either vibrate or they don't, so I was having some difficulty in wrapping my brain around this idea. I'm not sure one can make them vibrate partially or "weakly", so my best guess was that the sound employed a very brief vibration, followed by a overly forced voiceless sound for emphasis.

They're from Philly and the word ends with "uck"...I think I have a good idea what they're saying.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

Discover the fastest and easiest ways to create your own valuable products.
Tons of FREE Public Domain content you can use to make your own content, PLR, digital and POD products.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9885824].message }}

David Beroff 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

They're from Philly and the word ends with "uck"...I think I have a good idea what they're saying.

My favorite word, it starts with "F";
it ends with "U-C-K".
My favorite word is "FIRETRUCK";
now what'd you think I'd say?
- [ 1 ] Thanks
Signature

Put MY voice on YOUR video: AwesomeAmericanAudio.com
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9885827].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

They're from Philly and the word ends with "uck"...I think I have a good idea what they're saying.

Glad you caught his joke. I thought he was being serious and wouldn't have recognized "f" from his description of it. Guess I didn't realize English wasn't David's first language. The rest of the population recognizes "f" when they hear hit.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9886601].message }}

David Beroff

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Glad you caught his joke. I thought he was being serious and wouldn't have recognized "f" from his description of it. Guess I didn't realize English wasn't David's first language. The rest of the population recognizes "f" when they hear hit.

The original post wasn't a joke. I only know English. (I took five years of Hebrew, three years of Spanish, a year of French, and can't speak a word of any of them.) The "f" sound sounds quite different from "d" and "t". The guy seemed quite sincere, and coached me in how to pronounce the sound. It hardly sounded like the expletive to my ears.

The poem was just plain silliness, and hardly original.

[ 1 ] Thanks
2 replies

Signature

Put MY voice on YOUR video: AwesomeAmericanAudio.com

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9886634].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

The original post wasn't a joke. I only know English. (I took five years of Hebrew, three years of Spanish, a year of French, and can't speak a word of any of them.) The "f" sound sounds quite different from "d" and "t". The guy seemed quite sincere, and coached me in how to pronounce the sound. It hardly sounded like the expletive to my ears.

The poem was just plain silliness, and hardly original.

Ah - kewl. I'm not losing my sense of humor after all. That's what I was thinking when I read what you wrote -- it's kinda like trying to pronounce the "ts" in German or trying to teach a Mexican to say something that startes in "s" without adding "e" on the front of it.

Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9886670].message }}

David Beroff 9 years ago

Originally Posted by David Beroff

I only know English.

I just remembered; I had recorded this six years ago:

Phonemes of American English - YouTube

I had more hair then.
- Thanks
Signature

Put MY voice on YOUR video: AwesomeAmericanAudio.com
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9886689].message }}

Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Mobley

Sal, you're making an assumption that I have a point.

Okay, okay, I just found it interesting and thought some others might.

Joe Mobley

I just really enjoyed that sentence.
- [ 1 ] Thanks
- 1 reply
Signature
One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882607].message }}
- lanfear63 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre
  
  I just really enjoyed that sentence.
  
  Because it describes most of your posts admirably
  
  [ 2 ] Thanks
  
  1 reply
  
  Signature
  
  Feel The Power Of The Mark Side
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9882616].message }}
  
  Claude Whitacre 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lanfear63
  
  Because it describes most of your posts admirably
  
  Sniffle........................................... ...............................sniffle.......
  
  [ 1 ] Thanks
  
  Signature
  One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr
  
  What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9883176].message }}

Alast

9 years ago

I assumed this was spam by the title, so didn't even click it when I first saw it..

[ 1 ] Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9881890].message }}

laurencewins

9 years ago

I only clicked it as I know the OP writes lots of posts. But it wasn't worth reading, imho.

Thanks

Signature

Cheers, Laurence.
Writer/Editor/Proofreader.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9881949].message }}

butters

9 years ago

I literally clicked this post because I thought it was spam and wanted to see the abuse

I don't even see the - international phonetic association, my brain stopped before that!

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9883196].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I literally clicked this post because I thought it was spam and wanted to see the abuse

I don't even see the - international phonetic association, my brain stopped before that!

I didn't get into the field because I found it objectionable, yet I'm finding that it bores most people near to tears. That's why I go on a roll every time someone says anything in here that is relative to it. It's the only chance I get to ever talk about it.....and I'm betting people skim or even skip my posts on it completely. LOL.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9884729].message }}

butters

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I didn't get into the field because I found it objectionable, yet I'm finding that it bores most people near to tears. That's why I go on a roll every time someone says anything in here that is relative to it. It's the only chance I get to ever talk about it.....and I'm betting people skim or even skip my posts on it completely. LOL.

I can actually relate to that!! It's got to the point where I just say to my family I do science! I like talking about it but when I tried explaining it to my brother, he was like, lee your boring me. Got to love sympathetic families

. It's a subject I got no clue about, I heard the word and could kinda get what's its about, that's about it!

Thanks
2 replies

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9884906].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I can actually relate to that!! It's got to the point where I just say to my family I do science! I like talking about it but when I tried explaining it to my brother, he was like, lee your boring me. Got to love sympathetic families

. It's a subject I got no clue about, I heard the word and could kinda get what's its about, that's about it!

What scientific field are you in?

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9885699].message }}

butters 9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

What scientific field are you in?

Boomed right now but hoping to enter into immunology when I get the chance .
- Thanks
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9887116].message }}

Richard Van 9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

It's got to the point where I just say to my family I do science!

Don't worry Butters, Riffle likes Science but you have to stand back when he does it.

It must be a fact because he once said so in his avatar.

Originally Posted by David Beroff

My favorite word, it starts with "F";
it ends with "U-C-K".
My favorite word is "FIRETRUCK";
now what'd you think I'd say?

I say that a lot too, in fact it's my favourite word.

Oh dam, are you saying firetruck is your favourite word?

Sorry, note to self, don't just read the bits you want to.
- [ 1 ] Thanks
Signature

Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9885864].message }}