Would Internet Commerce Be Halted During Martial Law?

positivenegative

9 years ago

Go crack your whip elsewhere, Indy.

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896266].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

The only way THIS can be done is if they do something like pass the "Web neutrality bill" which calls for instituting a bunch of spies, forcing them to be hired, and inserting cutoff switches everywhere.

It is really ironic because the original stated purpose of DARPA creating the internet was to create a redundant communication network.

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896281].message }}

Ken Somerville

9 years ago

This is just MY view, but the way things have been going, with hollywood, and the music in. it would not shock me in the least that they would take down the internet if martial law was called. I don't think it would be directed to online marketing, but to keeping the people in the dark, to what is going on.

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896283].message }}

Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

I don't know if they would take down the internet during a national martial law.

But....the fact that you think that martial law is a possibility, sounds silly to me.
- [ 2 ] Thanks
Signature
One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896345].message }}

Joe Mobley

9 years ago

Originally Posted by IndianaJones

Let this be objective as possible and do not let your emotions get in the way of facing up to truth.

This will be very tough for those whose warm and fuzzy ideology comes up against cold hard facts.

Originally Posted by IndianaJones

Would Internet commerce be halted during martial law in the U.S.? Would the Internet be taken down or severely restricted? What sources are you looking at to get your information about this?

It depends on the circumstances, and the level of martial law.

Taking the Internet down would be very serious. Almost an [Edited for political reasons]-type move indicating "We don't care what happens to people, or businesses or the government as long it serves "our" purpose"

The other side of the coin, there was a military coup in Thailand last year where martial law was declared. What happened?, for the most part "nut-n-honey." Day-to-day life went on pretty much as usual. No Internet disruptions. Tourist came and went. The bar-girls on Soi 6 (6th street) continued to make money.

This indeed could be a very interesting conversation.

Joe Mobley

Thanks

Signature

.

Follow Me on Twitter: @daVinciJoe

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896387].message }}

butters

9 years ago

My internet will still be up if the USA decide to take it down

Good luck lads!

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896397].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

My internet will still be up if the USA decide to take it down

Good luck lads!

ACTUALLY, if the US goes down, a good chunk of the internet will go down! If the US shut it down as they plan to be able to, it would affect nearly all US sites, all US TLD sites(INCLUDES ALL .COM!), many sites supported by US sites, many sites going through US sites, sites using US infrastructure(this COULD affect some other countries).

BTW it would ALSO likely affect US possessions which means .to and .ws, will also likely be down.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896541].message }}

Karen Blundell

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

ACTUALLY, if the US goes down, a good chunk of the internet will go down! If the US shut it down as they plan to be able to, it would affect nearly all US sites, all US TLD sites(INCLUDES ALL .COM!), many sites supported by US sites, many sites going through US sites, sites using US infrastructure(this COULD affect some other countries).

BTW it would ALSO likely affect US possessions which means .to and .ws, will also likely be down.

Steve

not if you host your dot com outside the US -
mine is hosted in Canada

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

---------------

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899739].message }}

Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

not if you host your dot com outside the US -
mine is hosted in Canada

I could certainly be wrong, but I think Steve is talking about shutting down access to the TLDs. In such an instance, it wouldn't matter where your site is hosted as the domain name wouldn't resolve. It'd be like what happens if you point your domain name to the wrong name server.

And Claude, I completely understand that woman's plight. If you recall, I've had lunch with you.

Thanks
3 replies

Signature

Raising a child is akin to knowing you're getting fired in 18 years and having to train your replacement without actively sabotaging them.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899780].message }}

Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I
And Claude, I completely understand that woman's plight. If you recall, I've had lunch with you.

You've heard about people talking on the phone...rambling on about themselves, and you can just walk away from the phone...and they keep talking...oblivious to the fact that you are gone?

I'm like that in person.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900172].message }}

Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

You've heard about people talking on the phone...rambling on about themselves, and you can just walk away from the phone...and they keep talking...oblivious to the fact that you are gone?

I'm like that in person.

Again, I know. I left half way through lunch to make a couple phone calls, came back, and you were still telling the same story.

Thanks

Signature

Raising a child is akin to knowing you're getting fired in 18 years and having to train your replacement without actively sabotaging them.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900189].message }}

Karen Blundell

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I could certainly be wrong, but I think Steve is talking about shutting down access to the TLDs. In such an instance, it wouldn't matter where your site is hosted as the domain name wouldn't resolve. It'd be like what happens if you point your domain name to the wrong name server.

hmm, I'm not sure about how legal that would be, Dan. If I registered the domain name and it is not hosted in the US, I don't see how they can get away with shutting down access to it - they would open themselves up to a hell of a lot of lawsuits, I'm thinking.

that is why I really doubt the Internet would ever be shut down per se, certain sites might be blocked, but they would be insane to try to block access to TLD's in general.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

---------------

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900192].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

hmm, I'm not sure about how legal that would be, Dan. If I registered the domain name and it is not hosted in the US, I don't see how they can get away with shutting down access to it - they would open themselves up to a hell of a lot of lawsuits, I'm thinking.

that is why I really doubt the Internet would ever be shut down per se, certain sites might be blocked, but they would be insane to try to block access to TLD's in general.

The lawsuits NEVER frightened the government! They have declared the US government mostly IMMUNE to lawsuits! Politicians are IMMUNE to lawsuits! And there is a long standing policy that employees are IMMUNE to lawsuits when acting at the behest of employers or using the employers property. So if a hospital mandates that you have a valet park your car, and the valet works for a given company, and you sue, because the valet totalled your car, you really have to sue that company. You COULD try to sue the hyatt, but may have trouble, especially if there is parking nearby.

ALSO, don't forget that the BAR effectively is controlled by the state who is controlled by the country, and the courts have a hierarchy with subordinates under the state supreme courts which are then under the US supreme court.

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900241].message }}

Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

hmm, I'm not sure about how legal that would be, Dan. If I registered the domain name and it is not hosted in the US, I don't see how they can get away with shutting down access to it - they would open themselves up to a hell of a lot of lawsuits, I'm thinking.

that is why I really doubt the Internet would ever be shut down per se, certain sites might be blocked, but they would be insane to try to block access to TLD's in general.

Your hosting and your domain registration are two separate issues. You don't own the domain name. You rent it ultimately from ICANN. And the US controls ICANN at least until October of this year. It's yet to be seen how things will be handled after that point.

As for lawsuits, never underestimate the hubris of the US government.

Thanks

Signature

Raising a child is akin to knowing you're getting fired in 18 years and having to train your replacement without actively sabotaging them.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900264].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I could certainly be wrong, but I think Steve is talking about shutting down access to the TLDs. In such an instance, it wouldn't matter where your site is hosted as the domain name wouldn't resolve. It'd be like what happens if you point your domain name to the wrong name server.

And Claude, I completely understand that woman's plight. If you recall, I've had lunch with you.

YEP! It isn't the ONLY way, but it is a way that would affect EVERY foreign country using them. Don't forget, it is LICENSED to a US company and US servers. There was actually a scare a few years ago when hackers managed to shut down, IIRC, 7 of their 13 servers. If all the servers had been shut down, within a day or so the entire internet would be unable to use those domains. As it was, many areas DID have trouble.

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900247].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

not if you host your dot com outside the US -
mine is hosted in Canada

*******WRONG********! If your host uses ANY relevant resources in the US, YOU ARE AT RISK!

Some might be hooked up through US networks, like AOL, or US lines, like AT&T, or use the various affected TLDS(com, NET, ORG, US, WS, TO, EDU, etc....). And HEY, the US COULD have agreements with the other country, and may use operation choke point to cut them off!(CURRENTLY in use, and being expanded!) Don't worry, THAT only affects you if you use a US bank account to pay bills, or a US credit card, or maybe VISA, mastercard, American Express, Discover, or diners club! Of course they ALSO have agreements with a few countries, like canada, germany, the UK, france, switzerland, malta, etc.... And THEY effectively become US bank accounts if you have any ties to the US. This includes being investigated by the US, being a citizen, etc.... So have you paid for the site for several years in advance?

And HEY, maybe THIS is why they have ironically made it effectively illegal to have a credit on your credit card! If you DARE to do that, they effectively start counting down. After a certain point, the money then goes into US government coffers, and you have to jump through hoops to get it back. So you could have a credit card limit of $500, pay them a billion dollars and one month have a billion dollars worth of credit for some length of time. The next month, you try to buy a used car for $2000, and they decline the charge! You check your card, and find your limit is $500! The rest of the money is with the state! They want your birth date, social, an affidavit, etc,,, and then you MIGHT get your money back in a few weeks!

Yeah, the US has its tentacles EVERYWHERE! I mean they EVEN have SWISS BANKS violating banking laws they have had for over 400 years!!!!!!

And how do you communicate with the foreign website?

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900236].message }}

Karen Blundell

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, the US has its tentacles EVERYWHERE! I mean they EVEN have SWISS BANKS violating banking laws they have had for over 400 years!!!!!!

I am well aware of that - which is why they have made so many enemies, unfortunately.

but getting back to the OP - I doubt they would shut down the Internet - there are too many corporations who have powerful US lobbyists that own dot coms - the Internet won't be shut down - it might be restricted, though -
like some areas are now already.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

---------------

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900271].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

I am well aware of that - which is why they have made so many enemies, unfortunately.

but getting back to the OP - I doubt they would shut down the Internet - there are too many corporations who have powerful US lobbyists that own dot coms - the Internet won't be shut down - it might be restricted, though -
like some areas are now already.

Who knows! A case COULD be made that most ISP offerings are breaking the law! If they held them to the letter of the law,it could affect nearly EVERY person on this forum! I mean even the DEDICATED systems share resources and may not give you the full benefit of what they offer. I recently saw a big ISP offering UNLIMITED space and bandwidth for less than $5/month. YEAH RIGHT!

SO, doing THAT would get rid of MOST offerings, and companies like amazon, google, facebook, etc.... would be OK. Of course I don't know WHAT they would do with sites like netflicks. Maybe they would have to change their business model.

ALSO, though MANY apparently don't realize this, the GOVERNMENTS control and sell Domain names(Through a company licensed by ICANN in the US) *******AND******* IP addresses(by IANA in the US)! IP addresses are sold at a VERY high price, but it is for a rather large packet. They COULD charge more for those domains and that ALONE will drive up costs for ISPs.

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900521].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Seems to me it would depend on what the purpose of the martial law was. If it's due to civil unrest, it seems it would be stupid to take it down since they've become so absorbed with surveillance. How can they watch people who they don't allow to talk? If it were something like a hostile gov takeover of our freedoms and civil war started in, yeah - they'll close off any port they can -- but that is a situation so extreme it's hard to even think about. It happens, though. Nothing is impossible when there's a bunch of rich people in power that are so addicted to wealth and power that they lose sight of reality.

Right now - I think we have enough to watch out for with the net neutrality situation that they'll be deciding on in a few days.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896563].message }}

BigFrank

Banned 9 years ago

Who the hell knows? Ridiculous.

Cheers. - Frank

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9896649].message }}

TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

If M-Law is ever instituted across the USA...

Why not?

Its going to take martial law cause curfew ain't gonna get it.

Thanks

Signature

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. -- Mark Twain

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9897433].message }}

HeySal

9 years ago

Actually, if gov takes over the Internet they can shut the whole thing, or just certain people down, at will without needing martial law to do it. The question is what they would do it for. With corporations running the show in this country, there might come a day that entrepreneurship might be shut down. We can hope it never comes to that but it wouldn't be the first time during a regime that practices crony capitalism it's happened. Look what is going on with organic farms right now - just because a few corporations don't want the competition. Fortunately, people are catching on to that and the situation is being turned around in response to public outcry.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

Sal
When the Roads and Paths end, learn to guide yourself through the wilderness
Beyond the Path

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9897863].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Do any of you realize how the world has changed? In the 1980s, we had dedicated 411, yellow pages, payphones, encyclopedias, etc.... TODAY, 411 is cut down! Payphones are all but GONE! And DON'T talk about cellphones! Most cellphones today apparently do NOT directly use the phone system! They use the INTERNET!!!!!! And encyclopedias?

Living today without the internet would be FAR worse than living in the 1980s without the internet.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9897966].message }}

Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Do any of you realize how the world has changed? In the 1980s, we had dedicated 411, yellow pages, payphones, encyclopedias, etc.... TODAY, 411 is cut down! Payphones are all but GONE! And DON'T talk about cellphones! Most cellphones today apparently do NOT directly use the phone system! They use the INTERNET!!!!!! And encyclopedias?

Living today without the internet would be FAR worse than living in the 1980s without the internet.

Steve

And compared to 1890? Then it would be far worse if you didn't have a horse.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9898050].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

And compared to 1890? Then it would be far worse if you didn't have a horse.

HOW do you figure? Without a horse, you could now get a car, or take several vehicles. You could also walk, just like you could in 1890!

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9898324].message }}

yukon

Banned 9 years ago

[DELETED]

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9898340].message }}

Kay King

9 years ago

I'd rather have a horse, of course.

[ 2 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog

***

30 days hath September, April, June and November. February has 28 or 29.

All the rest have 31 except January which has 500.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899229].message }}

Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I'd rather have a horse, of course.

Stop it.

At my funeral, I have instructed my wife to read the following;

A corpse is a corpse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a corpse, of course,
Unless, of course, that talking corpse
Isn't really dead.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899389].message }}

lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Stop it.

At my funeral, I have instructed my wife to read the following;

A corpse is a corpse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a corpse, of course,
Unless, of course, that talking corpse
Isn't really dead.

That's fitting prose when talking about Mr E.D

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Feel The Power Of The Mark Side

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899552].message }}

Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

That's fitting prose when talking about Mr E.D

So obvious, and yet, I never saw it coming.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899570].message }}

Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

So obvious, and yet, I never saw it coming.

That says considerably more about you than it does Ian.

[ 2 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Raising a child is akin to knowing you're getting fired in 18 years and having to train your replacement without actively sabotaging them.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899590].message }}

Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

That says considerably more about you than it does Ian.

Riffle; Everything I say, is considerably more about me..than about Ian.

Haven't you met me? My car's windshield is a mirror. On my desk, is a picture of me.

At a conference, once..I was talking with a woman...about myself..for an hour. I realized that I hadn't asked her a single question about herself...so I said "Well, enough about me..what do you think of me". Her head exploded.

And Ian, I do suffer from E.D. The cause? Lack of offers. Riffle doesn't count.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899682].message }}

lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Riffle; Everything I say, is considerably more about me..than about Ian.

Haven't you met me? My car's windshield is a mirror. On my desk, is a picture of me.

At a conference, once..I was talking with a woman...about myself..for an hour. I realized that I hadn't asked her a single question about herself...so I said "Well, enough about me..what do you think of me". Her head exploded.

And Ian, I do suffer from E.D. The cause? Lack of offers. Riffle doesn't count.

I read about this, she was in no danger of her head exploding as she was practicing KundoClaudic Meditation for that hour. Using this method, you first get life-like eye tattoos done on your eyelids which makes others think you are awake and paying attention. Then your mind is trained to recognize brief pauses in the Sales/Life Story Patter where your vocal chords are triggered to say things like, Oh Yes!, Really, That's Very Interesting, Do Go On and other appropriate phrases.

A true master of this practice can even suppress involuntary yawns. You wake up fully refreshed with the full knowledge of whats been said stored away in your brain but with none of the tedium of listening to it.

You suffer from Elephant Dung? Well stop eating it.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

Feel The Power Of The Mark Side

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9899737].message }}

toysoldier80

9 years ago

Why would internet commerce be halted during martial law as if Internet Commerce is such a horrible business to even be considered a threat if martial law ever took place.

To be more specific however, I believe porn and the dating industry online may be halted online during a martial law set-up.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Why COFFEE is GOOD For Your HEALTH

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900526].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by toysoldier80

Why would internet commerce be halted during martial law as if Internet Commerce is such a horrible business to even be considered a threat if martial law ever took place.

To be more specific however, I believe porn and the dating industry online may be halted online during a martial law set-up.

Commerce on the internet would be halted if the internet were halted. Almost EVERY insanely unjust government greatly limits speech! Communist RUSSIA, CHINA, CUBA, etc... Even the NAZIs created a gigantic network of spies, and had paid spies go into various groups, like churches, and limit speech and prosecute when they saw contradictory speech.

Do NOT think it can't happen in the US! They had such a bill covering the internet, which I don't think passed, but it would change the entire IT industry as we know it, STARTING with the internet! And they HAVE at least TALKED about cutting off phone service in various areas! And YES, I mean ALL phones, INCLUDING MOBILE, and ALL WIFI!

And WHATEVER you think about religion, and proselytizing, The first amendment is PRIMARILY for THAT! Whatever you think about protesting, the first amendment mentions that SECOND! In mentioning protesting, it mentions picketing. The US has outlawed or effectively outlawed, ALL THREE in various areas! Of course, it has really wiped out the religious freedoms idea as well. And they have talked about doing the same with speech they don't like over public media. The supposed FREEDOM OF THE PRESS that the first amendment supposedly talks about is like the FIFTH thought! So what is the fourth? REDRESS OF GOVERNMENT! Of course THAT is basically thrown out! HOW do I figure? Ever try to talk to a "representative" at "work", etc? They are VERY dismissive! They have laws even against stopping them for a traffic violation. And now they OPENLY talk about bypassing various safeguards, like "recess appointments"! REDRESS is TWO PARTS! Primarily the part to be considered(basically GONE), and the part to openly discuss(disappearing).

SERIOUSLY, WHO would do that, or even THINK to do that, and NOT consider doing the same on the internet?

So stop business? Perhaps not. Stop business dealing with free speech, or even reviews? WHY NOT?

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9901136].message }}

ajacobs 123

9 years ago

Okay, I have a degree in Counter Terrorism Studies, and I have studied a lot of material dealing in this area, along with studying things that the common public has no idea ever happened on our soil, which all of my professors were either serving or had served in a high position within our nation's security sector (DOD, Homeland Security, FBI, FEMA, etc.), and what I mean is that the threat is far more dangerous than the media would have you believe it to be, as far as a major event to lead to martial law. So I may have a little better of an opinion than others here, take it for what it is, I don't claim to be an expert, and I do not work for big brother.

My answer to the question is a simple YES. They do not need "Net Neutrality" being passed in order to do it. Every bill, executive order, etc. passed since 9/11 regarding Martial Law in the event of a major disaster, act of terrorism, or whatever the scenario may be, has a very broad spectrum of full government control in the verbiage, and that definitely includes the internet being blacked out. The most threatening being the NDAA, which goes very dark in details about what will happen, just search it out, basically you have no rights, the constitution becomes null and void, etc. Just think the biggest threat to our country, our economy, our everyday lives comes through the form of an internet hack, better known as cyber terrorism. Our grid can be shut down via this method, our economy majorly screwed, drones taken over, the list goes on.

With over 95% of our weapons, machines, and everything else being operated by computers in one way or another, our Achilles Heal if you will, should something happen big enough to declare martial law, you bet your bottom they will lock down the internet also. Why leave it open for attack from foreign or domestic entities?

What happens during martial law?

A complete lock down of everything. Transportation stops, businesses stop, school is out, food runs out, riots, etc. All of which would kill our economy within a week's time leading our country into chaos. So the main thing to think about, is that if something big enough were to happen for the government to declare martial law, then we are probably screwed by this point anyway, and it won't matter. The internet would be the last thing on your mind.

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900558].message }}

toysoldier80

9 years ago

Originally Posted by ajacobs 123

Okay, I have a degree in Counter Terrorism Studies, which all my professors were working government officials in the DOD, Homeland Security, etc. with high security clearances.

My answer to the question is a simple YES. They do not need "Net Neutrality" being passed in order to do it. Every bill, executive order, etc. passed since 9/11 regarding Martial Law in the event of a major disaster, act of terrorism, or whatever the scenario has a very broad spectrum of full government control, and that definitely includes the internet. The most threatening being the NDAA, which goes very dark in details about what will happen, just search it out. Just think the biggest threat to our country, our economy, our everyday lives comes through the form of an internet hack, better known as cyber terrorism. Our grid can be shut down via this method, our economy majorly screwed, drones taken over, the list goes on.

With over 95% of our weapons, machines, and everything else being operated by computers in one way or another, our Achilles Heal if you will, should something happen big enough to declare martial law, you bet your bottom they will lock down the internet also.

What happens during martial law? A complete lock down of everything. Transportation stops, businesses stop, school is out, etc. All of which would kill our economy within a week's time. So the main thing to worry about is that if something big enough were to happen for the government to declare martial law, then we are probably screwed by this point anyway, and it won't matter. The internet would be the last thing on your mind.

Hopefully martial law will never happen then. I had no idea it would be that serious if it ever happened.

Thanks

Signature

Why COFFEE is GOOD For Your HEALTH

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900565].message }}

thunderbird

9 years ago

If I ever get a dog, I am going to call it Martial Law. Then I can shout, "Martial Law, here now!"

It wouldn't be tragic for me to leave Internet. There are other ways to enjoy life, engage in commerce, get entertainment, see nature.

[ 1 ] Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Project HERE.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9900758].message }}

Kay King

9 years ago

My son (high security clearance with several alphabet agencies) read this thread and started laughing....when I asked why, he muttered something about "have to kill you" and walked away...still laughing.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog

***

30 days hath September, April, June and November. February has 28 or 29.

All the rest have 31 except January which has 500.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9901140].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

My son (high security clearance with several alphabet agencies) read this thread and started laughing....when I asked why, he muttered something about "have to kill you" and walked away...still laughing.

So do you think "have to kill you" was a total joke, or is he implying that he has seen the writing on the wall, so to speak?

Seriously, congress HAS discussed all of this! They have bills ready to go! I've seen them on Thomas! And they HAVE limited freedoms a LOT! LUCKILY most have never tried to use them and most, that have, have done them in venues that still haven't been touched, but they are there.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9901158].message }}

Kay King

9 years ago

Steve -

He thought the whole thread was a joke of course he was kidding. One of his opinions is that people get so involved in "shadow threats" they miss the real threats until they are whomped over the head with them.

He's seen a lot of "stuff" but has more faith in the strength and ability of the people in this country than many who post here do.

[ 1 ] Thanks
4 replies

Signature

Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog

***

30 days hath September, April, June and November. February has 28 or 29.

All the rest have 31 except January which has 500.

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9901180].message }}

Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Steve -

He thought the whole thread was a joke of course he was kidding. One of his opinions is that people get so involved in "shadow threats" they miss the real threats until they are whomped over the head with them.

He's seen a lot of "stuff" but has more faith in the strength and ability of the people in this country than many who post here do.

And, he's not insane. That helps too.

[ 1 ] Thanks

Signature

One Call Closing book https://www.amazon.com/One-Call-Clos...=1527788418&sr

What if they're not stars? What if they are holes poked in the top of a container so we can breath?

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9901213].message }}

ajacobs 123

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Steve -

He thought the whole thread was a joke of course he was kidding. One of his opinions is that people get so involved in "shadow threats" they miss the real threats until they are whomped over the head with them.

He's seen a lot of "stuff" but has more faith in the strength and ability of the people in this country than many who post here do.

Like the largest unsecured border in the world, 371+ known terrorist training camps on US soil, a dumbed down society, etc. i.e. "Real Threats." Like I said earlier, for martial law to be declared we would have to be totally screwed already, so think of it as a last ditch effort to keep order. There are many more things to worry about than martial law, you know....keeping up with the Kardashians, dancing with the stars, my beer supply running low......

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9901838].message }}

Kay King 9 years ago

Beer supply in a crisis could be a real problem - do not jest about that!

My view is if Martial Law is declared - it means we lost the war so ballgame is over.
- [ 1 ] Thanks
Signature

Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog
***
30 days hath September, April, June and November. February has 28 or 29.
All the rest have 31 except January which has 500.
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902135].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Steve -

He thought the whole thread was a joke of course he was kidding. One of his opinions is that people get so involved in "shadow threats" they miss the real threats until they are whomped over the head with them.

He's seen a lot of "stuff" but has more faith in the strength and ability of the people in this country than many who post here do.

OH, I USED to have more faith in AMERICANS! But my idea of an AMERICAN is NOT what the current admin wants us to believe. MY idea is like the one expressed in the last major titanic film. People coming NOT for a free lunch, or to try to take over the country, but to join the other residents to try to make it a better place. AND, like that movie showed, some took greater risk, and lived in relative squalor just on the chance to get to the US.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902326].message }}

TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

OH, I USED to have more faith in AMERICANS! But my idea of an AMERICAN is NOT what the current admin wants us to believe.

MY idea is like the one expressed in the last major titanic film. People coming NOT for a free lunch, or to try to take over the country, but to join the other residents to try to make it a better place. AND, like that movie showed, some took greater risk, and lived in relative squalor just on the chance to get to the US.

Steve

I hope no admin shares your vision for this country.

Thanks
1 reply

Signature

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. -- Mark Twain

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902590].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I hope no admin shares your vision for this country.

They did EARLIER! But HEY, you could always go to Africa, back to your roots, and see the charity THEY give you, or to Russia to see a country that does what you want. Or HEY, even CUBA!

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902605].message }}

TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

They did EARLIER! But HEY, you could always go to Africa, back to your roots, and see the charity THEY give you, or to Russia to see a country that does what you want. Or HEY, even CUBA!

Steve

And you could always go back to wherever you came from also.

Better yet...

You could also travel back in time to the middle ages where your economic philosophy would be a lot more at home.

Thanks
2 replies

Signature

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. -- Mark Twain

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902609].message }}

Joe Mobley 9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And you could always go back to wherever you came from also.

We all came from Africa.

Journey Of Man; A Genetic Odyssey! - YouTube

On a Wednesday I think.

Joe Mobley
- [ 1 ] Thanks
Signature

.
Follow Me on Twitter: @daVinciJoe
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902633].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

And you could always go back to wherever you came from also.

Better yet...

You could also travel back in time to the middle ages where your economic philosophy would be a lot more at home.

WOW! I didn't know like the 60s-80s were the middle ages! Live and learn! Well, you keep talking like everyone is out to get rid of the blacks or whatever! I talk about earlier times, and you bring up slavery. Ironic, since my mothers and fathers families are predominantly irish. Even the GERMAN relatives were here for a long time. So they came here before WWII. I tracked my fathers family. It was just easier to track on ancestry.com. Came here around the 1800s, in a northern state, settled in wisconsin, and no record of any slaves, etc... My mothers family apparently was also in northern states. But HEY, be HAPPY for "my philosophy". In a few more decades you might end up PINING for it!

I wouldn't be surprised if my irish ancesters came here to escape the potato blight, and the mistreatment of the irish in, of ALL places, IRELAND! And I wouldn't be surprised if my german relatives came here to escape the garbage in WEIMAR germany. But they came here willing and able to assimilate and accept the faults in the country.

HEY, I even found a relative that was a WWII hero! He ended up flying a mission that was the first of its kind to hamper the NAZIs. I could give all the funny details, about how he had to basically flee the fight to fight it, etc... but the whole story is in wikipedia, so.... I wish I knew all that sooner, he died very recently.

Steve

Thanks
1 reply

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9904696].message }}

positivenegative 9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Ironic, since my mothers and fathers families are predominantly irish.

Explains a lot.

More than two parents should be a CAPITAL offence.
- Thanks
- 1 reply
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9904714].message }}
- seasoned 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by positivenegative
  
  Explains a lot.
  
  More than two parents should be a CAPITAL offence.
  
  OK, OK, mother's and father's! OK? So I am a little lazy there!
  
  Nice play on capital!
  
  Steve
  
  Thanks
  
  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9904731].message }}

Karen Blundell 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

He's seen a lot of "stuff" but has more faith in the strength and ability of the people in this country than many who post here do.

I too have faith in the inherent goodness of people -
it's what keeps me going -

and prior to 1996 - I was not online and I was fine - I'm sure if the Internet went down now, I'd be fine - I'd adapt - most of us would - I think.
- [ 1 ] Thanks
Signature
---------------
{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902554].message }}

seasoned

9 years ago

OK, I have not tracked this as well as I should have, but this is something that is due to be put into place in DAYS! HERE is a note from the FCC about it! Comm. Pai's Stmt on President Obama's Plan to Regulate the Internet | FCC.gov

O*A put his garbage MORONIC HYPY sales pitch on the main site! OK, it sounds great. BUT......

1. NO BLOCKING. OK, HE HIMSELF has declared he wants to do this with things. And it goes hand in hand with some other points he made.
2. NO THROTTLING. OK, there is limited bandwidth, and this WILL help hurt some other things he spoke about.
3. "Increased transparency"? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!?!? The 1st tier people may not even know what an IP address IS, let alone what a port is. DREAM ON!
4. No paid prioritization. This goes in hand with #1 and #2. Saying there should be no paid prioritization is like saying that all people should have to pay the same for food! HEY BO! You know those dinners you had for thousands of dollars and the people that paid $3 or more for a mere CHANCE to be with you and some of your "friends"? I am not even talking about THAT! I am saying that I paid like $7.50 this afternoon for lunch and your point #4 is like my saying that all restaurants now owe me meals for the rest of my life because I paid $7.50 this afternoon! After all, SOME people spend a dollar and get TONS of food!

He said that "If carefully designed, these rules should not create any undue burden for ISPs". BULL!!!!! The only way that could happen is if we had someone go back in time with many TONS of wire, and have it put in, etc... Take where I live, for example. I can't get DSL! And suppose everyone DOES! If EVERYONE gets super fast internet, everyone will have SUPER SLOW internet! WHY? Do you REALLY think every switch on the internet can handle multiple gigabytes per second. If multiple lines overwhelm a given switch, things WILL slow down!

But his letter isn't even THREE pages, so what does he say on the other 330 pages of his bill? Is it a rehash of the one I saw? Here are a few points in the bill I saw!

1. A special group of certificates will be created, and they will be awarded based on special classes they must take in college. The classes have yet to be created.
2. A person having such a certificate should have sole control of implementing various government requirements on devices in corporations that are connected to the internet.
3. These requirements include switches to allow the government to disable parts of the internet.

Do THOSE 3 sound fair?

As for the idea of people paying more for internet, etc,,, JOIN THE CLUB! I have been paying for it since the late 70s! TODAY, I am using an old comcast DHCP account. I pay PLENTY for it, and it goes down sometimes for HOURS! And HEY, if you want free highspeed internet, like Netzero promissED, GOOD LUCK! Remember what happened with THEM!!!!!!

It is ironic that these people speak of corporations taking over the internet. The corporations were the inspiration for the technology, the guinea pigs, and the ones between the general public, and the utilities that built the technology, and brought down the prices! It is ASTOUNDING! A line that TODAY would be considered SLOW cost as much, PER MONTH, as many DESKTOPS cost TODAY, to buy with CASH!!!! And WHY are they on the internet? MOST are there because YOU are, or are there to provide YOU with service. The remainder are there as fellow consumers of the internet resources, though even many of THEM are happy you are there ALSO.

Steve

Thanks

{{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9902462].message }}

Would Internet Commerce Be Halted During Martial Law?

Trending Topics

How do I effectively build and nurture an email list for affiliate marketing purposes?

Are Solo ADs the Most Cost Effective Way to Promote your Product?

Are billboards still effective in driving customers?

Been a while! Any of you Old Timers here?

How much does the rebranding affect CR ?