I felt like a complete idiot!

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I played my first game of Diplomacy years ago. I was with some friends in Northridge who had a set, so we played and had a good time. Although I enjoyed it, I didn't play again for almost 20 years. Then, one day, I stumbled across an online Diplomacy forum and thought I'd start playing again.

Yet I found it extremely difficult. It wasn't that entering my moves was hard or even seeing the board. I just had no idea what to say to the other players. Here I was, playing Germany, and I wanted England to help me against France. My opening salvo was less than inspiring. I wrote a one-line message to England something like, "Do you think you could help me against France?" He never answered, so I wrote to France something like "Do ya wanna kill England with me?" "Okay," he replied, so I figured I had a deal.

But when the opening moves came out France was across the border into German territory, England was off doing something else, and I was in trouble. I knew that my previous message to England hadn't been particularly inspiring so I wrote him a long-winded piece about how I desperately needed him to aid me. He wrote me back saying that he was fighting Russia at the moment. I guess I should be happy that replied, but I still felt like my communication hadn't been the best. I wracked my brains for a better way to convince England to come bail me out, but I didn't know how to do it. I felt like a complete idiot.

France and I battled across the border without either of us making any progress until Austria came in from behind and wiped me out. He had already polished off Turkey with Russia's help, and I was just next on the list. I had never written to him the entire game. I don't think I persuaded anyone to do anything all game. I had failed completely.

It was then that I decided that I needed to learn how to persuade people in writing. I started looking online for negotiation strategies, and later sales letters, until I stumbled across the word to describe what I needed: copywriting. I needed to write copy that would convince these fellow gamers to help me in my goal of world domination. That's how I started reading all the articles entitled "7 ways to write better copy" and "copywriting 101."

Some of it was useful advice. I started to imagine ways I could show the other country that it was in its best interest to help me. Other advice wasn't that helpful. How was I supposed to offer convincing testimonials to another player in a game? How can you test your copy before sending it to your fellow players? How would my fellow players react to a letter entitled, "Reach 8 armies by 1904 or I'll let you have Holland!" "P.S. Limited time offer. You must respond now!" Would that be sufficiently diplomatic, or would it sound too much like a high-pressure sales letter?

How can you persuade someone to do what you want? How can you build trust in a game? How can you find out what your opponent's true motivations are?
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  • Profile picture of the author DanielaFuego
    Aaa... how old are you, Zosimus ?

    I think you give too much importance to things too small
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I'll be honest with you. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought that Dan Riffle changed his Username.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'll be honest with you. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought that Dan Riffle changed his Username.
        When I read the username I yelled, "Gesundheit."

        Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I'll be honest with you. When I saw the title of this thread, I thought that Dan Riffle changed his Username.


        I saw the thread and saw that you'd posted. What I read was exactly what I thought I'd read, almost down to the word. You're getting predictable, but I tossed you a thanks anyway.


        Oh, and don't tell Don I was here. This post might be considered "off topic" and I don't want to knock any trains off course.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          I saw the thread and saw that you'd posted. What I read was exactly what I thought I'd read, almost down to the word. You're getting predictable, but I tossed you a thanks anyway.
          We're both getting predictable. (not worse, just more familiar) I hope you appreciate that I sometimes leave an opening, that I know you'll exploit. The ones I enjoy the most are the jabs that I never see coming, because I missed my own unintentional setup.

          When I get it from Whateverpedia, Ian, Biz, Dennis, Frank, you...or a few others, at least we can keep bouncing the ball.

          Sometimes, Kurt dishes one that not only is hilarious, but I can't think of a good comeback, because he leaves no opening. I hate him for that. He throws me balls that I can't swing at. And nobody deserves a good baseball bat in the balls, more than Kurt.


          Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

          Oh, and don't tell Don I was here. This post might be considered "off topic" and I don't want to knock any trains off course.
          Don and I are sleeping in separate bedrooms now. It's all very "Downton Abbey".
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Sometimes, Kurt dishes one that not only is hilarious, but I can't think of a good comeback, because he leaves no opening. I hate him for that.
            It's good to know that I'm not alone for feeling that way for the same exact reason. It can be depressing. lol

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  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
    I felt sorry for the guy/girl???? So I threw a "Thanks" at him/her!

    Poor thing.. their first post. And down here.
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      It's always tough being the new kid on the block. Hey, don't worry about it, you'll get the hang of it sooner or later.
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    First post in the off topic section of a marketing forum, you look really motivated to make some cash
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by RealCasher View Post

      First post in the off topic section of a marketing forum, you look really motivated to make some cash
      Your Avatar is an arrow, made out of money, pointing to your signature. That's pretty inventive.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheWriteOne
    Was this game a life and death situation? It is like you have your whole life savings on wager here.

    Just play Monopoly. It destroys relationships the same way but in a much child friendly package.

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