New Name for Namibian Town Is a Tongue-Twister

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A linguistic storm is brewing in Luderitz, where some residents of the remote Namibian town are protesting plans to change its name to !Nami#nus.

Those are not typographical errors.

The name, proposed by some government officials and tribal authorities, incorporates click-like sounds in the language spoken by the Nama ethnic group in the southern African nation. Those sounds are often represented in written form with punctuation symbols.

But Luderitz resident Crispin Clay says the proposed name could hurt the "international reputation" of coastal Luderitz as a tourist destination and might not be recognized by computers and websites.

The town was named after German colonizer Adolf Luderitz. The Germans slaughtered tens of thousands of Nama and Herero people after local rebellions in the early 20th century.
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    It IS ironic! Luderitz, with the appropriate umlaut, would be thrown out of many systems until relatively recently, because of the odd umlaut. The ! and # could be thrown out because it is just clearly WRONG!

    Apparently, he bought the land, but misnamed it, and used an odd term that caused the contract to cover many times the area the people thought they sold.

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  • Profile picture of the author TheWriteOne
    Do you have a sound file of that name? What sound does a ! and # make? It would be okay if the natives are good with it. If place is good, internet could just give it a sounds like or an alias (Naminus?).
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      I've heard the "click language" spoken - it's so unusual and I wondered how they could "write" it.

      If the symbols are representative of specific "click sounds" - makes sense to use them. "What others will think" may not be a important as "who we are".
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I've heard the "click language" spoken - it's so unusual and I wondered how they could "write" it.

        If the symbols are representative of specific "click sounds" - makes sense to use them. "What others will think" may not be a important as "who we are".
        It isn't about what others think, but about whether or not they will be properly recorded. A LOT of names changed at ellis island because the people there misunderstood and/or couldn't properly record them. The computer industry didn't have a way to handle this really until 1991, and that is for NORMAL languages!

        HECK, I have been to a few BIG multinational companies in the past 10 years to, among other things, allow them to communicate using UNICODE. The OLD standard was the AMERICAN standard code for information interchange(ASCII for short), and only really worked for american english. People used the # for the pound!

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by TheWriteOne View Post

      Do you have a sound file of that name? What sound does a ! and # make? It would be okay if the natives are good with it. If place is good, internet could just give it a sounds like or an alias (Naminus?).
      The ! is a click in the throat - the # is one of the other clicks, not sure which. Most people have a lot of difficulty making these sounds and trying to talk at the same time. It's very foreign to any sounds we make. Anyway - two different clicks - here's an explanation of them:

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