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Rescuers recall 'distinct voice' that spurred them to rescue trapped toddler

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Aside from the mother dying, it's an interesting story of the baby being rescued. Makes you wonder...
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Four rescuers, independently and simultaneously hear a distinct voice and verbiage that a baby could not possibly say!

      Undisputed proof for Angelic intervention?

      Just adds to the huge body of anecdotal evidence out there that is crying out, despite being intangible, to be recognized as worthy of study. Stuff like this just refuses to go away.
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        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Four rescuers, independently and simultaneously hear a distinct voice and verbiage that a baby could not possibly say!

        Undisputed proof for Angelic intervention?

        Just adds to the huge body of anecdotal evidence out there that is crying out, despite being intangible, to be recognized as worthy of study. Stuff like this just refuses to go away.

        Or the mother's spirit not willing to move on until her baby was rescued?

        It would have been interesting to know if it was a woman's voice or man's voice. If it was a woman, let them hear a recording of her voice and see how it compares.
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Most of the news sites I checked don't really focus on that aspect of the story. The BBC News website, for example, reports: A fisherman raised the alarm at 12:30 local time (18:30 GMT) the next day, after he saw the girl dangling above the water as it flowed through the car... which suggests the baby was visible before the rescuers arrived on the scene.

          And this quote from one of the rescuers (from the link in the OP): "We've gotten together and just talkin' about it, and all four of us can swear that we heard somebody inside the car saying, 'Help'" (my bold) had me recalling the John Gray quote that the world is ruled by the power of suggestion.

          Whatever happened, it's a heartwarming story, with at least some good news amidst the tragedy.

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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            Most of the news sites I checked don't really focus on that aspect of the story. The BBC News website, for example, reports: A fisherman raised the alarm at 12:30 local time (18:30 GMT) the next day, after he saw the girl dangling above the water as it flowed through the car... which suggests the baby was visible before the rescuers arrived on the scene.

            And this quote from one of the rescuers (from the link in the OP): "We've gotten together and just talkin' about it, and all four of us can swear that we heard somebody inside the car saying, 'Help'" (my bold) had me recalling the John Gray quote that the world is ruled by the power of suggestion.

            Whatever happened, it's a heartwarming story, with at least some good news amidst the tragedy.

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            Interesting that the BBC website did not mention that. Just reporting the facts. Also mentioned that the water was so cold that some of the rescue officers had to be treated for hypothermia for the brief time they were in the water. Would the suggestion be there that anyone had survived that and expected to be alive?

            "We were down on the car and a distinct voice says, 'Help me, help me,'" Dewitt recalled.

            Can a 18 month old baby articulate like that. Perhaps someone can answer that one?
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              Can a 18 month old baby articulate like that. Perhaps someone can answer that one?
              I googled when do babies start talking and the Goog shot back with this:

              "Baby talk at 18 months. Babies at this age say up to 10 simple words and can point to people, objects, and body parts you name for them. They repeat words or sounds they hear you say, like the last word in a sentence. But they often leave off endings or beginnings of words."
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              • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                I googled when do babies start talking and the Goog shot back with this:

                "Baby talk at 18 months. Babies at this age say up to 10 simple words and can point to people, objects, and body parts you name for them. They repeat words or sounds they hear you say, like the last word in a sentence. But they often leave off endings or beginnings of words."
                A baby that age would never call out 'Help Me' to get attention even if it could talk.
                It would be crying to get attention.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                I googled when do babies start talking and the Goog shot back with this:

                "Baby talk at 18 months. Babies at this age say up to 10 simple words and can point to people, objects, and body parts you name for them. They repeat words or sounds they hear you say, like the last word in a sentence. But they often leave off endings or beginnings of words."
                At 18 months you can expect a baby to say some words and to try to say quite a few phrases, that sound a lot like gibberish to most except the parents, who can often pick out a sound and "get" what the child is trying to say.

                But they don't normally come up with phrases that they aren't being taught or that they don't hear often. I doubt that she would have heard Help Me often enough for that to be something she would say at that age, at least I hope she hadn't heard that often.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Four rescuers, independently and simultaneously hear a distinct voice and verbiage that a baby could not possibly say!

                  Undisputed proof for Angelic intervention?

                  Just adds to the huge body of anecdotal evidence out there that is crying out, despite being intangible, to be recognized as worthy of study. Stuff like this just refuses to go away.
                  Finally something to prove that people like me and others on this forum that believe in this stuff aren't nuts!

                  At least when ghosts, and ESP, and UFO's, come up, there will be less skeptical nonsense and more intelligent discussion!

                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  Another thing to consider is that they are used to hearing people call for help. In fact, they are listening for that. Random noises are interpreted, by the brain, into whatever you expect to hear.

                  I have no idea if that's the case here.
                  Try, try, try Claude logic won't save you this time!!!

                  But from what you said before, you may ignore this until a 1000 individual case study is done?

                  Interesting that some popular media wouldn't give the whole story, so much for there being no hidden agenda for free to air being a wasteland! And not reporting anything metaphysical!

                  You are right Sal, age of Aquarius, or the truth reaches critical mass, and even the skeptics have to take it more seriously.

                  This gets back to our previous discussions.

                  We just have to sit back and let the truth catch up with us!

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                  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    Finally something to prove that people like me and others on this forum that believe in this stuff aren't nuts!

                    At least when ghosts, and ESP, and UFO's, come up, there will be less skeptical nonsense and more intelligent discussion!
                    Sorry Shane, it doesn't prove anything at all. It is very mysterious, and I've no idea what happened. Neither do you. Neither does anyone else as the posts above prove. All any of us can do is speculate and hypothesise over what really happened.

                    There needs to be a lot more information provided before it comes anywhere near being "proof" of anything.

                    As far as the BBC not reporting the extra information, why would it? The BBC takes its reputation very seriously (even if doesn't always meet its own high standards). Part of that high standard is reporting purely on facts, not on speculation.

                    If they touch on that aspect of the story at all it should be left to a documentary (something that the BBC does do very well is documentaries) on unexplained events. It has no place at all though on a news broadcast, at least not one that expects to be taken seriously.

                    Me personally, I've always had an open mind on many of the phenomena you subscribe to. I've just never seen anything that constitutes proof of anything except extremely long bows being drawn. That's the reason it's open - it is awaiting proof.

                    This isn't meant to disparage, or even discourage you on your quest for the truth. The more you dig, the better the chances you have of striking gold. For now though your desire for proof of these phenomena is overwhelming your ability to see that you haven't found that nugget yet.
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                      Sorry Shane, it doesn't prove anything at all. It is very mysterious, and I've no idea what happened. Neither do you. Neither does anyone else as the posts above prove. All any of us can do is speculate and hypothesise over what really happened.

                      There needs to be a lot more information provided before it comes anywhere near being "proof" of anything.
                      Most likely explanation is the mother passed away and then got the medics attention so the baby wouldn't die as well!

                      This is based on personal experience and others personal experience.

                      I know that l am talking to the wall here, if l bring up my own experiences, as l will be ignored, ridiculed or laughed out of the thread. But truth is truth!

                      It is good to at least see, that you and others are at least keeping the door open, and not dismissing the new age side of it.


                      And in the future there will be less bashing and more intelligent discussion about this sort of thing.


                      This may not be conclusive proof, but the odd's are in my favor that it is!

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                • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  At 18 months you can expect a baby to say some words and to try to say quite a few phrases, that sound a lot like gibberish to most except the parents, who can often pick out a sound and "get" what the child is trying to say.

                  But they don't normally come up with phrases that they aren't being taught or that they don't hear often. I doubt that she would have heard Help Me often enough for that to be something she would say at that age, at least I hope she hadn't heard that often.

                  I worked in a nursery on base when I lived in Germany. Frankly - I didn't see a standard. There was one little boy there that was just over two. He was coloring with felt tip pens. He was a new kid so I went over to talk to him and told him "those are nice crayons". He looked at me like I was a moron and said, very clearly, "those aren't crayons, they're felt tipped pens".

                  While I realize that's way beyond the norm and into prodigy territory, there's a lot more 2 year olds yacking it up than people seem to realize. You are right that a lot of them babble incoherently, but a lot can be quite clear at least at times.

                  I just remembered a little one, almost three, that was sitting by the door and someone opened the door and hit him in the head. He turned around and called that woman a "goddam fool". Now ya know where he learned that. It was one of the only times I heard him speak that clearly the whole time I was there. I guess that says if they are mimicking, they talk more clearly than when they are thinking at the same time they are talking? I dunno - but it was really funny and I had to tell it when I remembered it.
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            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            Most of the news sites I checked don't really focus on that aspect of the story. The BBC News website, for example, reports: A fisherman raised the alarm at 12:30 local time (18:30 GMT) the next day, after he saw the girl dangling above the water as it flowed through the car... which suggests the baby was visible before the rescuers arrived on the scene.

            And this quote from one of the rescuers (from the link in the OP): "We've gotten together and just talkin' about it, and all four of us can swear that we heard somebody inside the car saying, 'Help'" (my bold) had me recalling the John Gray quote that the world is ruled by the power of suggestion.

            Whatever happened, it's a heartwarming story, with at least some good news amidst the tragedy.

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            The CNN report mentioned it clearly.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Dan - a lot of little girls talk sooner than that. My sister and I both were talking at 9 months. Little boy's motor skills develop faster and little girls speech does - when you consider that throughout human evolution, women have socialized the species and men have done the physical work, it makes sense we develop accordingly.

    It's the age of Aquarius, people. It was probably just a very pronounced ESP working. If strong enough, it would probably come across as speech.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Dan - a lot of little girls talk sooner than that. My sister and I both were talking at 9 months. Little boy's motor skills develop faster and little girls speech does - when you consider that throughout human evolution, women have socialized the species and men have done the physical work, it makes sense we develop accordingly.

      It's the age of Aquarius, people. It was probably just a very pronounced ESP working. If strong enough, it would probably come across as speech.
      My mom always says I started walking and talking at 9 months. My wife says my mom is full of sh!t. Either way, I don't remember. But, I was just giving Ian a quick hit from Uncle Google.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        My mom always says I started walking and talking at 9 months. My wife says my mom is full of sh!t. Either way, I don't remember. But, I was just giving Ian a quick hit from Uncle Google.
        Uncle google? Big Brother is more like it, I would think.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        My mom always says I started walking and talking at 9 months. My wife says my mom is full of sh!t. Either way, I don't remember. But, I was just giving Ian a quick hit from Uncle Google.
        Thank you sir. So it could have been the child. Room for reasonable doubt. Case dismissed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      My first thought was;
      It's a deep river. The car is partly submerged. There is water rushing in the river, and it's rapidly splashing and flowing through parts of the car. I imagine that it was pretty loud.

      Have you ever had the TV on in the living room, and you run the water in the kitchen? Can you still understand what's being said on the TV? Maybe you could hear noise, but tell what's being said? I can't. How many times do you have to multiply that sound, to approximate a disrupted river flow?

      This wasn't a brook. It was a river, with water swirling around and through the car.
      For the men to distinctly hear a voice, and hear it clearly...Did the voice have a megaphone? It would have needed it.

      I'm sure they heard noise. One of the men may have interpreted that, probably afterwards, as a voice. My guess is, if there was no baby there, the rescuer wouldn't have heard a voice, although the noise would have been the same. And once one guy mentions it, they all fall in line. You just rescued a baby from almost certain death.. Are you going to admit that you didn't hear a voice?

      It could also have been an onlooker, yelling from the bridge, and the sound got mangled by the running water. It could have been noise from the rescue equipment, or vehicles.



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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        My first thought was;
        It's a deep river. The car is partly submerged. There is water rushing in the river, and it's rapidly splashing and flowing through parts of the car. I imagine that it was pretty loud.

        Have you ever had the TV on in the living room, and you run the water in the kitchen? Can you still understand what's being said on the TV? Maybe you could hear noise, but tell what's being said? I can't. How many time do you have to multiply that sound, to approximate a disrupted river flow?

        This wasn't a brook. It was a river, with water swirling around and through the car.
        For the men to distinctly hear a voice, and hear it clearly...Did the voice have a megaphone? It would have needed it.

        I'm sure they heard noise. One of the men may have interpreted that, probably afterwards, as a voice. My guess is, if there was no baby there, the rescuer wouldn't have heard a voice, although the noise would have been the same. And once one guy mentions it, they all fall in line. You just rescued a baby from almost certain death.. Are you going to admit that you didn't hear a voice?

        It could also have been an onlooker, yelling from the bridge, and the sound got mangled by the running water. It could have been noise from the rescue equipment, or vehicles.



        Or...we have super powers. I'm going back to my coloring book now.
        Joe, these kinda law enforcement officers would NEVER admit to hearing voices unless it was really truly something they all heard.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          The child was barely conscious. The man who released her said the only reason he knew the baby was alive was a fluttering of eyelids.

          There are times when explanations don't work - and this may be one of them.

          We didn't hear it - 4 rescuers did. They can't identify who said it - or where the voice came from...and they were THERE. No point in second guessing them.

          edit: the man I saw interviewed said he thought it was a woman's voice calling for help.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            The child was barely conscious. The man who released her said the only reason he knew the baby was alive was a fluttering of eyelids.

            There are times when explanations don't work - and this may be one of them.

            We didn't hear it - 4 rescuers did. They can't identify who said it - or where the voice came from...and they were THERE. No point in second guessing them.

            edit: the man I saw interviewed said he thought it was a woman's voice calling for help.
            Another thing to consider is that they are used to hearing people call for help. In fact, they are listening for that. Random noises are interpreted, by the brain, into whatever you expect to hear.

            I have no idea if that's the case here.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        My first thought was;
        It's a deep river. The car is partly submerged. There is water rushing in the river, and it's rapidly splashing and flowing through parts of the car. I imagine that it was pretty loud.

        Have you ever had the TV on in the living room, and you run the water in the kitchen? Can you still understand what's being said on the TV? Maybe you could hear noise, but tell what's being said? I can't. How many times do you have to multiply that sound, to approximate a disrupted river flow?

        This wasn't a brook. It was a river, with water swirling around and through the car.
        For the men to distinctly hear a voice, and hear it clearly...Did the voice have a megaphone? It would have needed it.

        I'm sure they heard noise. One of the men may have interpreted that, probably afterwards, as a voice. My guess is, if there was no baby there, the rescuer wouldn't have heard a voice, although the noise would have been the same. And once one guy mentions it, they all fall in line. You just rescued a baby from almost certain death.. Are you going to admit that you didn't hear a voice?

        It could also have been an onlooker, yelling from the bridge, and the sound got mangled by the running water. It could have been noise from the rescue equipment, or vehicles.



        Unless...we have super powers. I'm going back to my coloring book now.
        Have you read any Agatha Christie in your time Claude? Appointment With Death covers a point you made with brilliant ingenuity. Then again, I'm a sucker for all things Poirot
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

          Have you read any Agatha Christie in your time Claude? Appointment With Death covers a point you made with brilliant ingenuity. Then again, I'm a sucker for all things Poirot
          So....a different source...covers a point I made brilliantly? With brilliant ingenuity?

          That sounds like the best turn down I ever had from a woman. She said "You have several qualities that I find very attractive...in other men".

          Your post reminds me of that. And I enjoyed it both times.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            So....a different source...covers a point I made brilliantly? With brilliant ingenuity?

            That sounds like the best turn down I ever had from a woman. She said "You have several qualities that I find very attractive...in other men".

            Your post reminds me of that. And I enjoyed it both times.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

          Have you read any Agatha Christie in your time Claude?
          I don't read Agatha Christie, but I watch Agatha Christie movies. My favorite is Behind The Green Door: An Agatha Christie Mystery.

          Actually, we love watching the PBS shows.
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          • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I don't read Agatha Christie, but I watch Agatha Christie movies. My favorite is Behind The Green Door: An Agatha Christie Mystery.

            Actually, we love watching the PBS shows.

            I have never heard of that. Googling behind the green door gives me a film in an entirely different genre. I feel like some sort of lampoon is whooshing over my head...
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              Originally Posted by Formal Shorts View Post

              I have never heard of that. Googling behind the green door gives me a film in an entirely different genre. I feel like some sort of lampoon is whooshing over my head...
              It isn't a lampoon..it's a loon. Me.

              See? I beat Riffle, Kurt, Whateverpedia, Ianfear, Biz, Dan, Frank, Big Frank....Little Frank...Medium sized Frank.....and the rest, to the punch.

              Although Ianfear may still pull a rabbit out of the hat. He's pretty inventive, that Lad.



              And besides, Agatha Christie wasn't always an old woman. Every woman you see that is the dignified matron, who acts shocked when you swear....was a 20 year old, that was the life of the party, showing up in Girls Gone Wild videos. And a few were convinced to go into "Artfully tasteful" movies.
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              • Profile picture of the author Formal Shorts
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                It isn't a lampoon..it's a loon. Me.

                See? I beat Riffle, Kurt, Whateverpedia, Ianfear, Biz, Dan, Frank, Big Frank....Little Frank...Medium sized Frank.....and the rest, to the punch.

                Although Ianfear may still pull a rabbit out of the hat. He's pretty inventive, that Lad.



                And besides, Agatha Christie wasn't always an old woman. Every woman you see that is the dignified matron, who acts shocked when you swear....was a 20 year old, that was the life of the party, showing up in Girls Gone Wild videos. And a few were convinced to go into "Artfully tasteful" movies.
                Missy Marple and Hercules Poirot...this stuff writes itself

                Inspector Japp...well that's just too easy.
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    I heard the four rescuers being interviewed by Andy Coop on CNN last night, and they said at least a couple of them responded or replied back when they heard the voice that they thought said "help me". Tyler Beddoes starts talking about the voice at about the 1:00 mark, and Jared Warner said he replied or responded when he heard the voice at about the 2:00 mark.

    A replay of the segment can be found here:

    Who called for help inside overturned car? - CNN Video

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