Alberta town embarrassing Canada

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So this small town in North Alberta, Taber, passed a by law drafted in part by the Taber Police Services.

The by-law:

- Restricts "assemblies" of 3 or more adults if police feel they could cause a disturbance
- Forbids swearing in public
- Imposes a curfew 11 pm -6 am for anyone 16 and under
- Fine for graffiti $2500-$7500
- No spitting. No swearing. No yelling.

‘Embarrassing’ new bylaw in Taber, Alberta outlaws swearing, restricts public assembly | Metro

The purpose of the bylaw is “to provide for better and more consistent oversight, bylaw enforcement and policing of various matters” according to Taber chief administrator.

It passed by a vote of 6-1.

The lone dissenter questioned: “Generally, graffiti is done by 12 or 13 year old kids. Do I gather if they get caught doing that they get a $2,500 fine? Do their parents have to pay that?”
  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Is the swearing ban limited to the Queen's English? What if someone uses an American expletive? Or one in French? Or Klingon?

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Is the swearing ban limited to the Queen's English? What if someone uses an American expletive? Or one in French? Or Klingon?

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      Why did you pick american english, or french? Various parts of canada would potentially understand either! As for KLINGON? How do you say "I doubt it, but who cares anyway?" in klingon?

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    You think that's bad?

    We can't buy shoes on Sunday before noon, it's the law (seriously).

    Here's another one (lmao, horse traffic):
    • When approaching a four way or blind intersection in a non-horse driven vehicle you must stop 100 ft from the intersection and discharge a firearm into the air to warn horse traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      When approaching a four way or blind intersection in a non-horse driven vehicle you must stop 100 ft from the intersection and discharge a firearm into the air to warn horse traffic.
      I do that anyway....

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You think that's bad?

      We can't buy shoes on Sunday before noon, it's the law (seriously).

      Here's another one (lmao, horse traffic):
      • When approaching a four way or blind intersection in a non-horse driven vehicle you must stop 100 ft from the intersection and discharge a firearm into the air to warn horse traffic.

      We have some silly ones too.

      Couples are banned from making love in an automobile unless the act takes place while the vehicle is parked on the couple's own property.

      Willfully destroying your old radio is prohibited.

      It is illegal for a man to scowl at his wife on Sunday.

      It is illegal to let your pig run free in Detroit unless it has a ring in its nose.

      There is a law in Clawson that makes it legal for a farmer to sleep with his pigs, cows, horses, goats, and chickens.

      Haha!


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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You think that's bad?

      We can't buy shoes on Sunday before noon, it's the law (seriously).

      Here's another one (lmao, horse traffic):
      • When approaching a four way or blind intersection in a non-horse driven vehicle you must stop 100 ft from the intersection and discharge a firearm into the air to warn horse traffic.
      Now I do NOT get this one! Discharging a firearm could KILL someone, destroy property, etc... It will likely scare the horses. Why didn't the use a horn or bell?

      As for the shoes? They should have someone EXPLAIN any such law! I have a feeling it is not an honest law.

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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        As for the shoes? They should have someone EXPLAIN any such law! I have a feeling it is not an honest law.

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        It's called the Blue Law.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          It's called the Blue Law.
          I AM familiar with blue laws, and the idea of alcohol, tobacco, and maybe firearms and everything, but the just SHOES threw me! BTW as far as I know, the US STILL has some blue laws. I haven't been paying much attention there, and california and at least fort wayne IN as least SEEM to hold the traditional idea of respect for sunday, but not enforced. AGAIN though, I can't speak for cigarettes or alcohol. I am one of those that, if they suddenly disappeared, I may never even know!

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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You think that's bad?

      We can't buy shoes on Sunday before noon, it's the law (seriously).

      Here's another one (lmao, horse traffic):
      • When approaching a four way or blind intersection in a non-horse driven vehicle you must stop 100 ft from the intersection and discharge a firearm into the air to warn horse traffic.
      Many years ago we lived in a town where you couldn't buy anything on Sunday. Also for many years in Texas if horse traffic got disturbed by gas powered cars the auto had to be dismantled until the horse settled down and could be driven/ridden past the vehicle.

      Yep true story out of Texass.
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      • Profile picture of the author peter_act
        Why is this embarrasing?

        We have much tougher laws here on the Gold Coast - refer:
        http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...law-order.html

        They have now been in place for nearly two years, and everyone is happy.

        Admittedly the government that introduced them were recently defeated, but that was for reasons other than the bikie laws. Interestingly, the new government is now shying away from repealing these laws.

        Also interestingly enough, despite the previous government being defeated, every Gold Coast (where these laws have the most impact) MP was re-elected, some with increased majorities.

        Just goes to show that the ordinary voters have more common sense than the latte sipping trendies in Ottawa!
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

    - Fine for graffiti $2500-$7500
    I'm all for that one!

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Shooo. For a second there, I thought maybe they outlawed Tim Horton's.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Rough crowd, $10K fine for being loud in a bar?

    Drinking Establishment Making Noise
    • first offence = 2,000.00
    • second offence = 5,000.00
    • third and subsequent offences = 10,000.00
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  • Profile picture of the author thunderbird
    That's way out in Alberta. There are plenty of fools just on my block if I need to be embarrassed by other people's silliness.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The scary thing about laws like this is that they tend to spread, and we tend to have legislation bodies now just loaded down with self-impressed legislators who think they know more than anyone else about everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    What I see from those "laws" is not a quasi-totalitarian regime, but a cash strapped town desperately trying to come up with more ways of raising revenue. Then again, perhaps that amounts to the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Buddd
    Well I'm a Canadian and I'm not embarrassed. I couldn't care less what some dumb-ass from Ottawa thinks. Hey Ottawa, maybe some of us are embarrassed by you. When you're not lying to us, you're screwing us and when you're not doing that, you're busy bombarding us with the latest crap you dreamed up waiting for your Uber ride. Why don't you clean up your own act first.

    There are plenty of people in this country that are sick and tired of all the loudmouth, arrogant, ignorant, foulmouthed, spitting, snotty little punks running around with spray bombs tucked in the back pocket of their low rider pants pulling them even lower if that's possible. And that goes for the girls too. They seem to think they are untouchable.

    And yes, if the little darlings are below the legal age mom and dad should pick up the tab. Maybe they will figure out that there is more to parenting than buying them the latest gadget. Here's an idea, try some discipline and supervision.

    As for adults assembling causing a disturbance, that's aimed at the semi-adults bent on ruining every ones night out. Morons and alcohol never mix.

    I doubt they can make it stick, but I wish them luck. Now, back to cleaning my guns.

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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    The laws may seem heavy handed and a bit "big brother".

    On the other hand, it is Saskatchewan where common sense apparently needs to be legislated.....

    Mounties stop speeding pickup with 17 people aboard - Saskatchewan - CBC News


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  • Profile picture of the author Buddd
    onSubie,

    Thanks for pointing out that article from the Mother-Corp. You are correct, in Saskatchewan, there are literally "truckloads" of stupid people.

    However, I think you can agree there stupid people in every country, province, state, city and town.

    Proportionally, based on population, for every truckload of idiots in Saskatchewan, there's 14 where you live.

    Perhaps the common sense legislation should start there.

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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by Buddd View Post

      onSubie,

      Thanks for pointing out that article from the Mother-Corp. You are correct, in Saskatchewan, there are literally "truckloads" of stupid people.

      However, I think you can agree there stupid people in every country, province, state, city and town.

      Proportionally, based on population, for every truckload of idiots in Saskatchewan, there's 14 where you live.

      Perhaps the common sense legislation should start there.

      Bud

      Yeah, I'm just having a go at Saskatchewan.

      I have visited Saskatchewan a few times when touring with my band and always had an awesome time there.

      The people I met were cool and friendly and super to party with.

      I grew up in Thunder Bay. I am very familiar with overloaded pick-ups. LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    The laws are dangerous precedence to be messing with. It's a small leap from "decency" laws to legislators that have complete control of your life.

    It would make more sense to me to ask why people are becoming so overwhelmingly obnoxious and try to fix it. Bringing the economy back into grips so that one parent could actually afford to stay home and raise their own children might help.

    When I grew up, all but a few mothers were at home - and those that weren't were there at least until the kids were in school. Nowdays I wouldn't be surprised to hear that corporations were putting labor rooms in their buildings so pregnant employees could go drop their babies and be back to work within an hour. I chose not to have kids - I couldn't have afforded to stay home with them and give them the upbringing they would need to be decent humans -- god knows the schools won't/can't do it. People have to start making choices again - working 24/7 and dropping baby after baby that someone else has to care for just is NOT working for us.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The laws are dangerous precedence to be messing with. It's a small leap from "decency" laws to legislators that have complete control of your life.

      It would make more sense to me to ask why people are becoming so overwhelmingly obnoxious and try to fix it. Bringing the economy back into grips so that one parent could actually afford to stay home and raise their own children might help.

      When I grew up, all but a few mothers were at home - and those that weren't were there at least until the kids were in school. Nowdays I wouldn't be surprised to hear that corporations were putting labor rooms in their buildings so pregnant employees could go drop their babies and be back to work within an hour. I chose not to have kids - I couldn't have afforded to stay home with them and give them the upbringing they would need to be decent humans -- god knows the schools won't/can't do it. People have to start making choices again - working 24/7 and dropping baby after baby that someone else has to care for just is NOT working for us.
      Yeah, there WAS a reason, and maybe it is the reason why animals are like that. One cares for the young, while the other tries to provide for them. And this isn't necessarily sexist, as they BOTH do work, BOTH support, and sometimes BOTH provide for the young. HECK, creatures like penguins and Seahorses often have the MALE doing most of the caring. And if men COULD provide the woman's role, a lot of them WOULD. But they CAN'T.

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  • Profile picture of the author fern
    I saw this on The Social the other day. Seems they are going overboard with laws.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Alberta - the province is filled with far right rednecks -
      remind me to stay out of Taber -

      with my luck I'd be arrested the first day there for uttering "oh shit" in a public place if I dropped my cellphone or something ridiculous like that
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  • Profile picture of the author Buddd
    Well Karen, I'm not sure if you are referring to me as a "far right redneck"' but if you are, thanks for the compliment.

    While I believe in tolerance and understanding I also believe that there must be lines drawn somewhere. Apparently you're OK with people spitting all over the sidewalks and young people spewing foul language that would embarrass convicts on death row...I am not. And, I object when my tax dollars must be spent on cleaning up graffiti on every surface in town.

    If you are a mother with younger children, how do you explain that kind of public behavior to them?

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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Buddd View Post

      Well Karen, I'm not sure if you are referring to me as a "far right redneck"' but if you are, thanks for the compliment.

      While I believe in tolerance and understanding I also believe that there must be lines drawn somewhere. Apparently you're OK with people spitting all over the sidewalks and young people spewing foul language that would embarrass convicts on death row...I am not. And, I object when my tax dollars must be spent on cleaning up graffiti on every surface in town.

      If you are a mother with younger children, how do you explain that kind of public behavior to them?

      Bud
      How do you explain to kids that people spit on sidewalks without being arrested? Are you for real? You do understand what year this is, right? Do they still burn witches where you are, too?

      Being okay or not with things some people do is a lot different from legislating how they must act. You're risking a lot of your own freedoms with precedence. There are things you do that others aren't going to like either. What if you are legislated against doing them? Telling people how they will dress and speak is not the job of a gov. People need supportive families, not government.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        How do you explain to kids that people spit on sidewalks without being arrested? Are you for real? You do understand what year this is, right? Do they still burn witches where you are, too?

        Being okay or not with things some people do is a lot different from legislating how they must act. You're risking a lot of your own freedoms with precedence. There are things you do that others aren't going to like either. What if you are legislated against doing them? Telling people how they will dress and speak is not the job of a gov. People need supportive families, not government.
        Give me a break! Buddd is OBVIOUSLY asking how Karen explains HER spitting and cussing in public to younger kids that she may have.

        And people may not burn witches anymore, but many have disdain for, and ridicule, them. And YEAH, I agree! Kids should have the right to "do the heavens"! In doing so, they should pay to have the stuff fixed, including hazard pay, loss of service, and insurance! And YEP, they should have to ability to cuss all over as long as they do enough good to counteract it and FOREVER give up any right, and destroy any collective right, to ever complain about the same sort of thing. And they should have the right to spit, etc... as long as they are willing to do whatever to counteract all of its effects.

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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          Give me a break! Buddd is OBVIOUSLY asking how Karen explains HER spitting and cussing in public to younger kids that she may have.

          And people may not burn witches anymore, but many have disdain for, and ridicule, them. And YEAH, I agree! Kids should have the right to "do the heavens"! In doing so, they should pay to have the stuff fixed, including hazard pay, loss of service, and insurance! And YEP, they should have to ability to cuss all over as long as they do enough good to counteract it and FOREVER give up any right, and destroy any collective right, to ever complain about the same sort of thing. And they should have the right to spit, etc... as long as they are willing to do whatever to counteract all of its effects.

          Steve

          I know what she was saying. There used to be spitting laws because women wore skirts that dragged the sidewalks. How she explains this is called "parenting". She tells the kids that people that do that lack manners and it's a gross thing to do. There might be a bit of health reasoning in not allowing spitting on sidewalks like that -- but when you're legislating how people can and can't speak, you're getting into rough waters with precedence that can take almost any right to open your mouth that you have. Legislating speech is the worst idea our politicians can mess with and the worst we put up with. Moral campaigners don't seem to understand that at some point of time it's going to be their own moral disposition under the gun.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            I know what she was saying. There used to be spitting laws because women wore skirts that dragged the sidewalks. How she explains this is called "parenting". She tells the kids that people that do that lack manners and it's a gross thing to do. There might be a bit of health reasoning in not allowing spitting on sidewalks like that -- but when you're legislating how people can and can't speak, you're getting into rough waters with precedence that can take almost any right to open your mouth that you have. Legislating speech is the worst idea our politicians can mess with and the worst we put up with. Moral campaigners don't seem to understand that at some point of time it's going to be their own moral disposition under the gun.
            If women had skirts that dragged on the sidewalks, spitting would be the LEAST of their concerns. There HAS to be a clearance! heck, I often have pants that are a bit longer than they should be because shorter is too short. They tend to size men's pants in 2" increments. If I don't pull them up, or wear shoes, the cuffs of my pants don't last long.

            And the aesthetics of spitting is only a minor part. As for speech, it is the TYPE, and NOT substance of which is being legislated. It is NOT the same thing. That has been done for a LONG time. HECK, look at the N word. Even if blacks DO use it WAY too much, and hypocritically, few others ever do.

            STILL, I will be the *****FIRST***** to point out, and exploit, that MLK DID say that discrimination was OK and SHOULD be used! He simply said that it should not be unfair(he used the example of NOT by the color of their skin), but should be LEGITIMATE(he used the example of "but by the content of their character"). Give me a break. If nobody discriminated, everyone would be dead! You don't go into the freezing cold unprepared, or the desert unprepared, eat broken glass, etc... So companies shouldn't hire someone that doesn't know what they are doing.

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      • Profile picture of the author peter_act
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Are you for real? You do understand what year this is, right? t.
        Yes, it's 2015, and graffiti is becoming one of the scourges of our society. I think a $2500-$7500 is perfectly reasonable.

        And please don't come back with "It's street art". It's vandalism, pure and simple, just like scratching the sides of cars with a key. You are defacing someone else's property for fun.

        Why should I have to pay the council (through my rates) to remove graffiti? Surely it's the people doing it who should pay, and their hefty fine should contribute to the salaries of the graffiti removal council employees.

        Just for your interest, this is the law here:

        Graffiti is a crime

        Graffiti is illegal in Australia. It is a persistent problem that attracts a variety of penalties. In Queensland, graffiti is a crime under the Queensland Criminal Code Act 1899 s. 469 Wilful damage, which states:

        "Any person who wilfully and unlawfully destroys or damages any property is guilty of an offence... If the property in question is in a public place, or is visible from a public place, and the destruction or damage is caused by (a) spraying, writing, drawing, marking or otherwise applying paint or another marking substance; or (b) scratching or etching; the offender commits a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 7 years... The court may... order the offender to perform community service... including for example, removing graffiti from property; and ... may order the offender to pay compensation to any person."

        P.S. I like the 7years bit!
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Buddd View Post

      Well Karen, I'm not sure if you are referring to me as a "far right redneck"' but if you are, thanks for the compliment.

      While I believe in tolerance and understanding I also believe that there must be lines drawn somewhere. Apparently you're OK with people spitting all over the sidewalks and young people spewing foul language that would embarrass convicts on death row...I am not. And, I object when my tax dollars must be spent on cleaning up graffiti on every surface in town.

      If you are a mother with younger children, how do you explain that kind of public behavior to them?


      Bud
      no Bud, I was not referring to you - please don't take my comments personally.
      Also, no I'm not ok with spitting and every second word spoken being an f-bomb - but I'm also not ok with draconian laws and a money grab which I think this bylaw is - Taber must be hurting for cash - that's what it looks like to an outsider.
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  • Profile picture of the author daweller
    big deal
    I bet if you hop in your car and drive 5 minutes you'll be in a different jurisdiction
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