9,000 Animals Rescued From 'Worst Torture Operation' In The U.S.

9 years ago

Disgusting.

I've read before about illegal slaughterhouses in Florida, especially for horses. In so many cases you read they are supplying an Asian market.

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socialentry

9 years ago

Asia > America.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

They probably did 40 to 50 percent of their business with Asian restaurants in the area, selling meat to them illegally.

When I was 16 I worked at a Chinese restaurant in Florida, the owner once got pissed off because I was throwing away the food on plates that customers didn't eat. They would take the leftover food & mix it back in with the food in the kitchen & resell to the next paying customer. I walked off the job & never again ate at an Asian restaurant (anywhere).

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Kay King 9 years ago

In so many cases you read they are supplying an Asian market.

I've read of cases of this - also had Asian friends in the south advise me not to eat at a couple restaurants as they were "unsafe foods".
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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

As far as I'm concerned they can lock up the owners and staff and throw away the key. These people are no better than animals themselves.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

What is appalling is knowing that there are hundreds of farms in FL that are similar and thousands more animals abused and suffering on them.

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

That made me cry and I want the punishment to fit the crime!

I want those two men to be executed by being boiled to death. Then see all of the money saved from them not being imprisoned to help pay for the surviving animals care.

Now that would be true justice!

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socialentry

9 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

That made me cry and I want the punishment to fit the crime!

I want those two men to be executed by being boiled to death. Then see all of the money saved from them not being imprisoned to help pay for the surviving animals care.

Now that would be true justice!

Terra

Is it the real Terra or the fake one I've been interacting with as of late?

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MissTerraK 9 years ago

I love my forum ignore function. =)

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- socialentry 9 years ago
  
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  You can't handle the truth.
  
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  Please forgive me for changing the subject, but can't let socialentry pass on this one.
  
  It seems you have decided to target Terra in almost every thread she post in. Please refrain from doing so.
  
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bizgrower

9 years ago

I think they should search for missing people there as well.
Seriously, I would not put it past those criminals.

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by bizgrower

I think they should search for missing people there as well.
Seriously, I would not out it past those criminals.

This is an excellent point. These people may be Psychopaths. It surely sounds like it.

Dahmer and many notorious Serial Killers started out torturing animals and killing them and then moved on to bigger things.

In all honestly, assessing this info. from the Article I would not be surprised if they find a severed human head or two around there

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bizgrower

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

This is an excellent point. These people may be Psychopaths. It surely sounds like it.

Dahmer and many notorious Serial Killers started out torturing animals and killing them and then moved on to bigger things.

In all honestly, assessing this info. from the Article I would not be surprised if they find a severed human head or two around there

Thank you.

I was thinking about Dahmer... Also, the picture reminded of the guy who held those
girls captive for years.

An employee or two who did not like their abhorrent practice might just be found
somewhere on that property.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

This is the first I've heard about the Florida problem with this. I think it's sad that it takes a private organization to bust up just one farm when the article says there are hundreds like it. What is Florida law enforcement doing? They should use their resources to bust them all up, even if it takes years. That farm has been in operation for a long time and thousands of animals have suffered for it and thousands more from the others. You can't tell me that one private organization are the only ones who can infiltrate and gather evidence and put these guys away for a very long time.

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Ken Leatherman

9 years ago

Appalling!!

Is not a strong enough word to even attempt describing this illegal operation.

I lived in Florida for over 10 years and never heard anything about these 500 farms.

Why didn't the Florida media know about this and launch their own investigation?

Federal law enforcement should also start their own investigation immediately.

Horror personified!

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seasoned

9 years ago

WHY would they boil or skin a live animal? Something doesn't sound right. I mean some sick pervert might get off on it, but there would have to be a lot of force to keep the animal from causing damage. Even a little chicken may do a lot of damage in such a case, imagine a BULL! And boiling? There is the idea of splashing, and the size of the container for larger animals.

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Kay King

9 years ago

There are a lot of sick perverts out there, Steve - they have no problem causing pain and suffering. They should be skinned alive - and I'd volunteer to help do it.

"They are no better than animals"????

They are not nearly as GOOD as animals.

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Kay King 9 years ago

Is it the real Terra or the fake one I've been interacting with as of late?

You mean "stalking" - seems to be an increase in that here lately. People who target certain other members just to make one rude comment after another.
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- socialentry 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  You mean "stalking" - seems to be an increase in that here lately. People who target certain other members just to make one rude comment after another.
  
  Stalking? Recently, I talked to her in one thread and this one and that's about it.
  That's two interventions total and since she put me on ignore its very likely I would have ignored her as well.
  
  All I did was tell her that she "wasn't really nice" in the past (which as far as WF invectives go, is rather low on the totem pole) and highlighting a rather uncontroversial if bloodthirsty comment.
  
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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

There are a lot of sick perverts out there, Steve - they have no problem causing pain and suffering. They should be skinned alive - and I'd volunteer to help do it.

"They are no better than animals"????

They are not nearly as GOOD as animals.

Oh I KNOW there are a lot of sick perverts. I am just saying that a chicken might try to scratch your eyes out and leave you with bad scratches or lacerations. A bull could trample you, break one of your legs, etc.... And BOILING WATER?

Not to speak of needless murder, but USUALLY if they skin or boil an animal that comes in alive, they kill it first.

Steve

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Oh I KNOW there are a lot of sick perverts. I am just saying that a chicken might try to scratch your eyes out and leave you with bad scratches or lacerations. A bull could trample you, break one of your legs, etc.... And BOILING WATER?

Not to speak of needless murder, but USUALLY if they skin or boil an animal that comes in alive, they kill it first.

Steve

There is nothing 'sick' about many of these people like this. Nothing at all. When you say 'sick' you are implying some mental health issues or mental illness.

Most of the the times this is just not the case. These are totally sane individuals who know what they are doing and do NOT have mental illness at all.

When it comes down to it there are just people who are bad seeds. A lot of it is wiring in the brain ( think pre frontal regions of brain) along with environment issues like extraordinarily abuse at an early childhood age.
It makes for the perfect storm.

Most of society agrees these people should be put down. There is no changing these evil doers

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

There is nothing 'sick' about many of these people like this. Nothing at all. When you say 'sick' you are implying some mental health issues or mental illness.

Most of the the times this is just not the case. These are totally sane individuals who know what they are doing and do NOT have mental illness at all.

When it comes down to it there are just people who are bad seeds. A lot of it is wiring in the brain ( think pre frontal regions of brain) along with environment issues like extraordinarily abuse at an early childhood age.
It makes for the perfect storm.

Most of society agrees these people should be put down. There is no changing these evil doers

Sorry. Sick is just another overused expression. I guess I should maybe stop using it because it is SOOO varied that it can even mean really really good, HERE, I meant it in the sense of BAD and tending to be obscene, believing the planet is here simply for them, etc... I didn't mean to imply that it was OK or that they should somehow be forgiven.

I agree with what you are saying here, but simply questioned why they would take the risk to do it.

Steve

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Ken Leatherman

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Sorry. Sick is just another overused expression. I guess I should maybe stop using it because it is SOOO varied that it can even mean really really good, HERE, I meant it in the sense of BAD and tending to be obscene, believing the planet is here simply for them, etc... I didn't mean to imply that it was OK or that they should somehow be forgiven.

I agree with what you are saying here, but simply questioned why they would take the risk to do it.

Steve

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Karen Blundell 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Ken Leatherman

MONEY AND MORE MONEY

yes, that's what it always boils down to - how far will someone go to make money? Money isn't evil - it's what people will do for it or with it that can be evil such as these illegal "farmers" - I can't even bring myself to call them farmers - they are just scum.
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discrat 9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

I agree with what you are saying here, but simply questioned why they would take the risk to do it.

Steve

Psychopaths are risk takers and extremely impulsive and superficial ( as far as the money thing)
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- seasoned 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by discrat
  
  Psychopaths are risk takers and extremely impulsive and superficial ( as far as the money thing)
  
  Couldn't they make as much money by killing the animals first? YEAH, I KNOW, same result, even if safer and more controlled, but it IS considered MORE humane, and it is likely faster in the long run. HECK, jewish, and I believe Islamic, methods DICTATE a particular type of killing.
  
  But yeah, I guess I should stop attributing ANY kind of sanity to the human race as a group.
  
  Einstein is credited with a similar quote that would fit nicely here.
  
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  discrat 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seasoned
  
  But yeah, I guess I should stop attributing ANY kind of sanity to the human race as a group.
  
  Steve
  
  Yeah Steve
  It is really hard to imagine what is going on in some of these people's minds.
  
  Here's the thing. When people do something evil everyone wants to try to figure out motive, what did they have to gain, why could they do such a horrid act etc.etc..
  
  I have studied these people and the fact is you cannot figure them out. You just can't
  
  The closest good, quality people who can in some way or the other relate to them is someone like Claude.
  
  And Im not being funny either. Really. He will be the first to tell you.
  
  If Claude had been brutality raped everyday by adults and had been extremely abused as a child with alcoholic and drug induced parents he could have ended up just like this. Or worse
  
  That's not a slam. He will be the first to tell you .
  
  Its all with the wiring in the brain and your environment.
  
  Fortunately, from what I gather he had a good background with his family and also physically wise the other regions in his brain I deduce are so strong and advanced they compensate and nullify for this weak area in the pre- frontal cortex that controls emotions like empathy.
  
  P.S. Claude I hope you don't mind the psycho-analysis.
  
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  Kay King 9 years ago
  
  I have studied these people and the fact is you cannot figure them out. You just can't
  
  It's true - because we don't have that sort of "wiring". Understanding why someone "does" something cruel doesn't remove the pain they caused and doesn't excuse the behavior to me.
  
  When I see cruelty at this level - I don't CARE what background problems or psychological excuse experts offer for the perpetrators. I just want these people off the face of the planet or in a deep hole for the rest of the lives.
  
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Kurt

9 years ago

I read a mystery novel 25 years ago or so. And while it was a novel, the author was a former FBI profiler. The book was about a certain type of serial killer the author called "devoids".

He described devoids as having no/little emotions. They learned to mimic emotional expressions normal people had and appeared normal. But, the only way they could feel anything at all was to do something very extreme, like torturing and killing people. And this feeling of emotion through torture and killing was what made them serial killers, so they could "feel" again.

The people that tortured and killed these animals sound just like the devoids the author wrote about in the book.

BTW, it's an excellent book called "Just Killing Time".

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Kay King 9 years ago

That's interesting, Kurt. A psychiatrist friend of mine once described something similar - that some people have such a high threshold of "feeling emotion" that it takes extreme events for them to feel anything.

He said the trait is found to some extent in people who are addicted to extreme sports, to people with very dangerous occupations and often found in criminals who commit heinous acts.

"devoid" pretty much defines it
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HeySal

9 years ago

Whatever is "wrong" with these people, we can no longer have them running around in society - anywhere on the planet. It may or may not be their "fault" - but they need exterminated, just like anything else detrimental to the planet. They are poison. They breed and spread. Did these people have children and pass their dangerously miss-wired brains down through a few generations?

Soi dog is also working hard in Thailand to stop the illegal dog meat trade - which is about the same as this operation. What has struck me odd, too, is that private organizations are going out and finding and stopping these operations -- why are officials not doing this with the help of organizations instead?

There should be a law that any organization finding an operation like this can stop the operators on the spot immediately, via deadly force if necessary. Too many lives depend on them being stopped. Our officials are able to raid legitimate organic farms just because they are causing financial competition for factory farms -- but they can't raid operations like this? WTF are we paying taxes for?

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Whatever is "wrong" with these people, we can no longer have them running around in society - anywhere on the planet. It may or may not be their "fault" - but they need exterminated, just like anything else detrimental to the planet. They are poison. They breed and spread. Did these people have children and pass their dangerously miss-wired brains down through a few generations?

Yeah, I hope by talking about brain wiring and growing up in terrible circumstances people here didn't think I was saying these people had a free pass because it was not their fault that they have bad brains and bad parents.

On the contrary. If we have a cockroach problem in my house, I know it is not the roaches fault that they are crawling around all crazy. But it still does not mean they should not be exterminated

Just trying to confront those people who always want answers to motives, and why did this person do that etc..etc..

These is no answer. Just forget trying to get answers and 'remove' these evildoers

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Yeah, I hope by talking about brain wiring and growing up in terrible circumstances people here didn't think I was saying these people had a free pass because it was not their fault that they have bad brains and bad parents.

On the contrary. If we have a cockroach problem in my house, I know it is not the roaches fault that they are crawling around all crazy. But it still does not mean they should not be exterminated

Just trying to confront those people who always want answers to motives, and why did this person do that etc..etc..

These is no answer. Just forget trying to get answers and 'remove' these evildoers

For what it is worth, I think you made that VERY clear! And the roach example is a good one. You have to do SOMETHING to stop the progression that can happen SECONDS within their settling. And YEAH, they settle because some scout happens to find something. Roaches have even been known to eat the glue off of shelf paper, so you can't even really clean up.

Unfortunately, the people in power are NOT to be trusted, etc....

The "psychiatrist" shown on Terminator really IS like so many. SO WHAT if the person thought that this guy was a robot? It was ONE guy! They KNEW that MANY people with the same name had been murdered during the SAME WEEK or whatever! And they NEW that this guy, or machine, was relentless, not afraid of ANYTHING, and would do ANYTHING to kill her. Would it REALLY matter if she blew him away and they found out he was human? But because ONE guy thinks this is ridiculous, they commit her.

And look at the people jailed, etc... Just yesterday I saw ANOTHER show. I bet this sort of thing happens a LOT! This guy is a new cop, on his first murder, decides to break the law and look at the crime scene. He bumped a bar, and it turned. He wanted it to look like it did, so he turned the bar back. NO PROBLEM, RIGHT? WELL...... A few minutes earlier, he was outside, and got some blood on his shoe from a guy that had a nosebleed. The guy with the nosebleed got convicted and was put in jail for 7 years before they found out.

Of course I COULD mention richard Jewel or Randy Weaver. THEY were real of course!

Steve

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GarretG

Banned 9 years ago

Hi,
I was throwing away the food on plates that customers didn't eat. They would take the leftover food & mix it back in with the food in the kitchen & resell to the next paying customer.

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AnniePot 9 years ago

This has been going on in Florida for many years. It must be ten years ago when I first read about it. At the time I was following up specifically on the illegal slaughter of unwanted thoroughbreds and quarter-horses. Back then my research uncovered media reports on dozens of illegal animal slaughter establishments, mostly in southern Florida.

What I completely fail to understand is why during that time-span, why haven't the authorities followed up? The reports I read were explicit regarding locations.

A new law, championed by State Representative Luis Garcia (D-Miami) and State Senator Victor Crist (R-Tampa) on May 17, 2010, gave law enforcement officials throughout Florida a new tool to aid in their fight against the illegal slaughter of horses, but it appears it was never ever enforced.

Just Google "illegal animal slaughter in Florida" and you will be presented with pages and pages of reports.
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Ken Leatherman

9 years ago

Full castration of their gentiles, without being sedated, in one of the pig stands would be a certain form of justice.

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