I think advice to change passwords regularly is bad!

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Whoa pardner, all or many of the security gurus say you should change your password periodically, some places force a change periodically.

My theory is that if someone finds a way to snoop and steal your password, they will do whatever they are going to do right away, not in a few days, or in a month just before your next periodic change.

If you have a strong password, they'll never crack it, unless they have a supercomputer with a fiber optic connection to the target they are trying to hack, and in that case, since I'm not in Bill Gates' league they're not gonna waste time on me.

Am I missing something?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Nope, makes sense to me. A secure 13 character password with capital letters, numbers, and symbols would take thousands of years to brute force.

    You shouldn't use the same one on every website though, obviously.
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    If every security firm, analyst, expert etc... Says your wrong, your more then likely wrong !!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I read that Paypal hackers will watch your account for weeks, sometimes for months, to gauge the activity so they can strike when they can maximize their take.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Actually, Robin has a point! Let's look at this logically!

    1. Maybe you have a keylogger, or virus. Changing your password, or merely logging in is STUPID!
    2. Ongoing, Changing your password is just DUMB! It increases the chance of hitting a group they try, and breaches of all sorts. ALSO, you will get less adept at it.
    3. OK, NOW you cleaned your system. SUPPOSEDLY, the viruses and/or loggers, etc... have been removed!

    What about changing the password NOW?

    WELL if you NEVER had a breach, or your system is still infected, it is DUMB!

    If your system is still infected, MAYBE it will frustrate things, MAYBE!

    If your system is now clean, it makes what they have WORTHLESS!

    So I think they suggest changing your password constantly merely because you NEVER know when there is a breech.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

    If you have a strong password, they'll never crack it, unless they have a supercomputer with a fiber optic connection to the target they are trying to hack, and in that case, since I'm not in Bill Gates' league they're not gonna waste time on me.

    Am I missing something?
    I agree somewhat and rarely change my own strong passwords.

    But one critical thing it protects against is hacks against your service provider.

    Big hacks like Target get lots of media but many sites are hacked and userids/passwords stolen and sold around the"dark web" with little news or alarm.

    Changing your password regularly makes any password information that may have been stolen invalid. As opposed to rushing and changing it when you read "... servers hacked and a million passwords stolen".

    Another thing to realize is if you login with an email and password, hackers will immediately try that email/password combination at other sites that use your email as a login. Like facebook and gmail.

    If you really want to use secure ids/passwords and use different user names, differnt passwords and change passwords frequently then I'd use a password manager that does all of it automatically and securely for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
    So you work someplace that requires a password change every 3 months. They require at least 10 characters, at least 1 upper case, 1 number and 1 character.

    Then they say "Oh, don't write it down!"

    Just how the heck are you supposed to remember a password like hgY6sw2/F9 without writing it down? LOL.

    Actually though, I do have a PW system that allows me to use strong PWs and also remember them. But most people I know don't. They write them down.
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Staying more than one step ahead of malicious hackers is definitely important. I do change passwords on important sites, but that is so painful. I don't use the same name as login on any of them, which probably helps somewhat to thwart attacks. Last, but not least, I always keep a strong anti-virus product running and have it check the whole computer regularly.

      A little off topic, but: I am so doggone tired of those a$$hole$ named -insert a typical American name here- who tell me they are from Microsoft with the most awful Asian accent, wanting to "fix" my computer for me. I usually just laugh at them and hang up.

      Once or twice a month I get a call from them, and have for quite a long time. Some day I might just decide to play along with them and drive them nuts. Don't worry, I won't be touching my computer to play the game, just tell them I can't get their instructions to work and they aren't any good as a tech and shouldn't have quit their other day job.
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

      So you work someplace that requires a password change every 3 months. They require at least 10 characters, at least 1 upper case, 1 number and 1 character.

      Then they say "Oh, don't write it down!"

      Just how the heck are you supposed to remember a password like hgY6sw2/F9 without writing it down? LOL.

      Actually though, I do have a PW system that allows me to use strong PWs and also remember them. But most people I know don't. They write them down.
      Haha, yes, crap like that is ridiculous. For certain things, a refresher is good - banks or anything finance-related for example.

      But for other stuff, frankly it's just stupid. Take a forum for example... is it really necessary for there to be a strong password requirement, where I need to make sure I use six capital letters, 4 lower case letters, and 5 special characters to create an account? Really? And if you aren't even an HTTPS site, what's the point, the second I hop on from a Starbucks someone running a listener could take over my account anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

        Haha, yes, crap like that is ridiculous. For certain things, a refresher is good - banks or anything finance-related for example.

        But for other stuff, frankly it's just stupid. Take a forum for example... is it really necessary for there to be a strong password requirement, where I need to make sure I use six capital letters, 4 lower case letters, and 5 special characters to create an account? Really? And if you aren't even an HTTPS site, what's the point, the second I hop on from a Starbucks someone running a listener could take over my account anyway.
        If you aren't on https, there isn't any point in a strong password. I mean EVEN if you use a LAN that is HIGHLY encrypted, the next hop will be clear text, and they can read it. IRONICALLY, on the other hand, if your LAN has NO encryption at all, and you use https, the message is encrypted from inside your system, to the inside of the other system. SO, EVEN if they logged what either system was receiving, straight from the drivers, it would STILL be encrypted.

        If you get on a financial website, and they ask you to use HTTP to enter your details or login, RUN!!!!!!!!!! If they ask you to use HTTPS with a low level cert, or one that is not from a recognized CA, RUN!!!!!!!!!! Think of it THIS way! If they are not even willing to pay like $50 to protect all of their customers, why should they even be in business?

        ANOTHER thing! Until someone here hacked my old password, I didn't really do ANYTHING to make this higher level. I have like 4 levels of passwords, and each has many variants. Of course I NEVER used passwords like "password", my straight plain name, or "12345", or the name of a pet, birthdate, etc... Apparently THOSE are very popular. I'll never forget when I found out a customer was using "reddog"! YEP! Her pet dog was red. And WHO can forget Joshua? Of course many systems only give you 3-5 tries before the password is suspended.

        Normally I wouldn't care about someone hacking this account, but enough people try to twist what I say anyway, so I didn't need such "HELP". Someone was putting up a lot of ads with my account, and obviously hoping I would mindlessly pay for them,

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          If you aren't on https, there isn't any point in a strong password. I mean EVEN if you use a LAN that is HIGHLY encrypted, the next hop will be clear text, and they can read it. IRONICALLY, on the other hand, if your LAN has NO encryption at all, and you use https, the message is encrypted from inside your system, to the inside of the other system. SO, EVEN if they logged what either system was receiving, straight from the drivers, it would STILL be encrypted.

          If you get on a financial website, and they ask you to use HTTP to enter your details or login, RUN!!!!!!!!!! If they ask you to use HTTPS with a low level cert, or one that is not from a recognized CA, RUN!!!!!!!!!! Think of it THIS way! If they are not even willing to pay like $50 to protect all of their customers, why should they even be in business?

          ANOTHER thing! Until someone here hacked my old password, I didn't really do ANYTHING to make this higher level. I have like 4 levels of passwords, and each has many variants. Of course I NEVER used passwords like "password", my straight plain name, or "12345", or the name of a pet, birthdate, etc... Apparently THOSE are very popular. I'll never forget when I found out a customer was using "reddog"! YEP! Her pet dog was red. And WHO can forget Joshua? Of course many systems only give you 3-5 tries before the password is suspended.

          Normally I wouldn't care about someone hacking this account, but enough people try to twist what I say anyway, so I didn't need such "HELP". Someone was putting up a lot of ads with my account, and obviously hoping I would mindlessly pay for them,

          Steve
          I am building a SAAS type site now and I put on a "low level" https. I'm glad I did before I go live. It's mostly pointless. But at least I see it while in alpha test phase
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    Passwords are boring.
    That's why I dig the TouchID sooo much.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    For example, game streaming platform Twitch was just hacked and lost username/password combinations.

    If you use Twitch you have been compromised.

    If you use the same username. email or password on any other sites then they are also now vulnerable because hackers have your login details from Twitch.

    Twitch warns users of possible hacking incident - Technology & Science - CBC News
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  • Profile picture of the author curiozities
    My computer was hacked with a keylogger some time ago because I got sloppy and didn't scan it with AV/AS frequently enough. Sure as heck, as soon as I updated my AS software and scanned, the AS found the keylogger and deleted it.

    The hacker, who was from China, had stolen the password from one of my email accounts and had sent spam to my whole address book. Luckily, I only had seven contacts in that account, six of which were other email accounts of mine. That was how I found out the account had been hacked into: I received an awfully written spam from my own account. As a professional writer who takes pride in what I write, I was horrified to see something so poorly written be associated with me (even if it came from a hacker).

    After that, I started using a password manager, LastPass. It keeps all my passwords and generates difficult-to-guess passwords for each login account I have. I only have to remember the master password to get into my account. Of course, nothing is perfect and if someone ever hacks into LastPass....

    You might also want to try using a password-protected spreadsheet to keep track of all your passwords, including the date you created them, so you can update them whenever you want. Of course, you'll have to take the spreadsheet with you if you plan to login into any of your accounts while you're away from your computer. Or you can store the spreadsheet "in the cloud" so you can access it from wherever you are--but it could potentially be stolen that way. As I mentioned before, no system is perfect.

    Regardless, it's always good practice to update your passwords from time to time and make sure you update your AV/AS software and scan your computer regularly. The two things go hand in hand more than you could imagine.
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  • Profile picture of the author tine267
    Well I think changing password frequently is bad also.. just imagine that everyday you change your password. How about when you forgot your password because you change it everyday. I experienced that there are so many password that I created and now I am struggling to remember the updated one. Just try to type password that cannot hack the others. Put a very long password.
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    I think it was Edward Snowden (?) who said you should use pass-phrases rather than passwords. Something like a favourite saying, an in-joke or something like that. Mix up capital and lower case letters in that phrase and add a number or two.
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