Plane crash that killed 150 was deliberate, lead prosecutor says

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Plane crash that killed 150 was deliberate, lead prosecutor says - Salon.com
  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Great another nut job!

    At least the other 149 passengers can beat the crap out of him upstairs!

    But he will probably be elsewhere!

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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      I don't know any of the details surrounding this story (besides what was in the article). I'm wondering if they're thinking it was an act of terrorism, or if the co-pilot who appeared to have deliberately crashed the plane had a death wish and sadly decided to take a plane full of innocent people down with him.

      Either way, it's absolutely tragic and heartbreaking.

      My heart goes out to the families of those who died in the crash. They must be reeling upon hearing that it may have been deliberate - and as such, completely senseless. As if they weren't hurting enough already...
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    What a nut job.
    Pilots should be given strict psych evals before they're given control of a jumbo jet.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      What a nut job.
      Pilots should be given strict psych evals before they're given control of a jumbo jet.
      APPARENTLY, HE WAS! It was determined that he should NOT fly! I guess they have something like HIPPA there, and he simply didn't tell anyone!

      BTW I found out yesterday that at least SOME hospitals have a code to override hippa! If someone is declared as having come with you, they let them know everything. Maybe that is why a coworker of mine knew about a test I never told him about. It breaks US law, but I guess they try to play it naïve by asking if someone came with you.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        APPARENTLY, HE WAS! It was determined that he should NOT fly! I guess they have something like HIPPA there, and he simply didn't tell anyone!

        BTW I found out yesterday that at least SOME hospitals have a code to override hippa! If someone is declared as having come with you, they let them know everything. Maybe that is why a coworker of mine knew about a test I never told him about. It breaks US law, but I guess they try to play it naïve by asking if someone came with you.

        Steve
        Looks like WalkingCarpet was banned.
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Looks like WalkingCarpet was banned.
          Surely it couldn't have been over the comment in this thread?

          I've never liked to fly and this type of stuff makes me even less willing to do so. Airlines should have been on this type of problem the first time they found it could be an issue. I wonder how many times something has to happen before it's taken care of?
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            Surely it couldn't have been over the comment in this thread?

            I've never liked to fly and this type of stuff makes me even less willing to do so. Airlines should have been on this type of problem the first time they found it could be an issue. I wonder how many times something has to happen before it's taken care of?
            It is AMAZING how well planes work when flown by professional pilots. I swear, you could often likely keep a cup on the table, and not spill a drop. But you HAVE to have SUPERVISION! THAT is why they generally have TWO pilots.

            Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Crashes and near misses related to cockpit door locks

    August 14, 2005: Helios Airways

    Helios Airways Flight 522 crashed near Grammatiko, Greece. A maintenance error meant the cabin pressure switch was not set to automatic, and as the plane climbed to cruising altitude, the pilot and co-pilot were overtaken by oxygen deficiency, or hypoxia. The effects were insidious and they were too impaired to realise a warning siren indicated a lack of oxygen.

    In the cabin, the oxygen masks were deployed, and stewards tried to warn the pilots, but a locked cockpit door meant they could not enter. After the plane's oxygen ran out, one steward, with a portable oxygen bottle, managed finally to break into the cockpit. He fought to handle the controls but he was too late: the fuel ran out and the Boeing 737-300 dived into a Greek hillside, killing all 121 people.

    September 6, 2011: All Nippon Airways

    A Boeing 737-700 flown by All Nippon Airways, with 117 passengers and crew on board, rolled and dived 1900 metres in 30 seconds over the Pacific Ocean near the southern Shizuoka district after the co-pilot mistook the cockpit door catch for a command button.

    He was trying to readmit the captain who was returning from the toilet, but instead turned the rudder trim knob. The jet rolled almost belly up and dropped 1900 metres.

    Two crew members were slightly injured, while four passengers reported health problems following the incident, but the plane touched down safely at Tokyo's Haneda airport.

    November 29, 2013: Mozambique Airlines

    Flight 470 was an international passenger Embraer 190 flying from Maputo International Airport.

    During the flight, Captain Herminio dos Santos Fernandes manually changed its autopilot settings three times from 38,000 feet to 592 feet -- which was below ground level -- as well as adjusting the speed.

    The cockpit voice recorder captured several alarms going off during the descent, as well as repeated loud bangs on the door from the co-pilot, who was locked out of the cockpit. An investigation concluded that Captain Fernandes had a "clear intention" to crash the jet, and had kept his co-pilot out of the cabin so he could do so.

    The plane crashed into the Bwabwata National Park in Namibia, about half way between its departure and scheduled arrival airport. All 27 passengers and six crew members were killed.

    February 17, 2014: Ethiopian Airlines

    Flight 702, an Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 767-300ER, was flying from Addis Ababa to Milan via Rome on 17 February 2014 when its own co-pilot hijacked it.

    He waited until the pilot went to the toilet, then locked the cockpit door to keep him out, while continuing to fly the aircraft. He bypassed Rome and Milan and flew instead to Geneva, where he circled several times while communicating with air traffic control, trying to broker political asylum for himself and an assurance that he would not be extradited to Ethiopia.

    With only 10 minutes of fuel left, and with one engine stalling from lack of fuel, he landed the plane safely, then climbed out the window on a rope and handed himself over to police. All 202 passengers and crew aboard were unharmed.

    May 21, 2014: Air New Zealand

    On flight NZ176 between Perth and Auckland, the captain locked the first officer out of the cockpit for two minutes mid-flight after an argument over a take-off delay.

    The captain did not respond to requests to open the locked door, alarming crew.

    The incident, on a Boeing 777-200 carrying 303 people, sparked calls for a third crew member to be added to flight decks so no one is ever alone in the cockpit. Both pilot and co-pilot were stood down over the incident.

    January 21, 2015: Delta Air Lines

    The captain of the Delta Airlines flight 1651 from Minneapolis to Las Vegas left the cockpit before the plane's final landing approach but "was not able to re-enter the flight deck because of a door jam," the airline said in a statement.

    The first officer took control and landed the aircraft safely at McCarran International Airport.

    The 160 passengers were unharmed.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Crashes and near misses related to cockpit door locks

      August 14, 2005: Helios Airways

      Helios Airways Flight 522 crashed near Grammatiko, Greece. A maintenance error meant the cabin pressure switch was not set to automatic, and as the plane climbed to cruising altitude, the pilot and co-pilot were overtaken by oxygen deficiency, or hypoxia. The effects were insidious and they were too impaired to realise a warning siren indicated a lack of oxygen.

      In the cabin, the oxygen masks were deployed, and stewards tried to warn the pilots, but a locked cockpit door meant they could not enter. After the plane's oxygen ran out, one steward, with a portable oxygen bottle, managed finally to break into the cockpit. He fought to handle the controls but he was too late: the fuel ran out and the Boeing 737-300 dived into a Greek hillside, killing all 121 people.
      Interesting tidbits!

      1. The cabin has an entry on lock delay of 5 minutes, if nobody allows entry from the inside, according to GW anyway!
      2. 5minutes is about the time brain damage starts!

      WHY wasn't there some failsafe for the oxygen? Planes fly around 20000-37000, and the air starts to get to thin around 10000, so this is a DISASTER waiting to happen! BESIDES, I believe they compress the air from outside, so it should be FREE!

      September 6, 2011: All Nippon Airways

      A Boeing 737-700 flown by All Nippon Airways, with 117 passengers and crew on board, rolled and dived 1900 metres in 30 seconds over the Pacific Ocean near the southern Shizuoka district after the co-pilot mistook the cockpit door catch for a command button.

      He was trying to readmit the captain who was returning from the toilet, but instead turned the rudder trim knob. The jet rolled almost belly up and dropped 1900 metres.

      Two crew members were slightly injured, while four passengers reported health problems following the incident, but the plane touched down safely at Tokyo's Haneda airport.
      They should be separated and harder to operate!

      November 29, 2013: Mozambique Airlines

      Flight 470 was an international passenger Embraer 190 flying from Maputo International Airport.

      During the flight, Captain Herminio dos Santos Fernandes manually changed its autopilot settings three times from 38,000 feet to 592 feet -- which was below ground level -- as well as adjusting the speed.

      The cockpit voice recorder captured several alarms going off during the descent, as well as repeated loud bangs on the door from the co-pilot, who was locked out of the cockpit. An investigation concluded that Captain Fernandes had a "clear intention" to crash the jet, and had kept his co-pilot out of the cabin so he could do so.

      The plane crashed into the Bwabwata National Park in Namibia, about half way between its departure and scheduled arrival airport. All 27 passengers and six crew members were killed.
      WOW, don't they learn ANYTHING!?!?!?!? This SAME method was used in one of the diehard movies! SERIOUSLY, technology can fix that!

      February 17, 2014: Ethiopian Airlines

      Flight 702, an Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 767-300ER, was flying from Addis Ababa to Milan via Rome on 17 February 2014 when its own co-pilot hijacked it.

      He waited until the pilot went to the toilet, then locked the cockpit door to keep him out, while continuing to fly the aircraft. He bypassed Rome and Milan and flew instead to Geneva, where he circled several times while communicating with air traffic control, trying to broker political asylum for himself and an assurance that he would not be extradited to Ethiopia.

      With only 10 minutes of fuel left, and with one engine stalling from lack of fuel, he landed the plane safely, then climbed out the window on a rope and handed himself over to police. All 202 passengers and crew aboard were unharmed.
      Ever hear of BACKGROUND CHECKS!?!?!?


      January 21, 2015: Delta Air Lines

      The captain of the Delta Airlines flight 1651 from Minneapolis to Las Vegas left the cockpit before the plane's final landing approach but "was not able to re-enter the flight deck because of a door jam," the airline said in a statement.

      The first officer took control and landed the aircraft safely at McCarran International Airport.

      The 160 passengers were unharmed.
      LUCKILY, the copilot was willing and able!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
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    "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. -- Mark Twain

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How do they know the co-pilot was alone in the cockpit?
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    It turns out that he supposedly had a detached retina! Differences in pressure and the like could have exacerbated it, and this could have left him BLIND. His girlfriend was supposedly pregnant. OH, and there are rumors that he recently converted to islam.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Cris Cato
    This is just a sad story overall. Now more security implementations will be put into place which will soon turn airplanes into one big vault! God bless the family and friends of the innocent passengers and crews of this flight!
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