Just Became an Ordained Minister (not a forbidden religious topic here)

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I signed up to get my free ordination as a minister from the Universal Life Church. All I had to do was fill out a web form with my name, address, and email, and now I have a certificate proving I am a minister.

A bit of fun for the weekend. I told my wife I feel qualified if an exorcism is needed, although the "Church" has no religious doctrines.

With the certificate came other documents, including 35 different products that can be bought, including one-time purchases and recurring products. Everything from a license plate frame to various courses to getting doctorate degrees. For ten bucks I can get a certificate in a "special font", such as Arial or Verdana.

Interestingly, the website (Welcome to the official website for Universal Life Church, International Headquarters) does not look like it has been updated since 2007 and it's MySpace page no longer exists..

Overall, I would say it goes to show:

- You can start a business selling anything. This "template" can be used in many ways.

- Fun is fun.

- The marketing material is interesting and opened my eyes to a few ideas.

- If I incorporate my own congregation I could have a nonprofit tax shelter!

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    There was an organization that started DECADES ago. I wish I could remember the name. The idea was that you get licensed by them as a minister, and call your family, et all, a CHURCH, and now live tax free. Actually, it looks like THIS is the one. I believe it WAS in modesto,CA! Of course, as I recall, the IRS declared it not valid.

    I earlier said this, and edited it out, because I didn't want to simply make such a claim. Let's let wikipedia do it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby_J._Hensley
    The Reverend Kirby James Hensley (July 23, 1911 – March 19, 1999) was the president and founder of the Universal Life Church (ULC.)
    Hensley was born as second in a family of seven children on July 23, 1911, in the mountains of Lowgap, North Carolina. For over 65 years he studied and preached religion throughout the United States. An illiterate his entire life, he hired people to read the Bible to him and later listened to recordings of the Bible on tape.[1]
    So YEP! Same type of religion, sounds like it, guy was illiterate, in modesto, so YEP, SAME PLACE!

    He DID have a point though. If you can declare money for feeding the poor stranger to be tax free, why not for yourself?

    As for tax shelters, they are talking about getting rid of all of them, so one wonders how long it will last.

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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      So, Father Brian , is this certificate valid? (I'm assuming you, if anyone, would know!). You could actually perform marriage ceremonies and such?

      Because if it is valid, then why bother ordaining anyone if all it takes is filling out a simple little form...?

      Universal Life Church - well, that's about as generic and non-denominational as it gets, lol!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        So, Father Brian , is this certificate valid? (I'm assuming you, if anyone, would know!). You could actually perform marriage ceremonies and such?

        Because if it is valid, then why bother ordaining anyone if all it takes is filling out a simple little form...?

        Universal Life Church - well, that's about as generic and non-denominational as it gets, lol!
        Yep, it's valid...at least here in Ohio. A friend did just as Brian did and now performs, legally, as an officiant at weddings.

        I, myself, am also ordained, but have long lost the certificate. I think I paid $5 to be a bishop or vicar or some such nonsense.
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        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        So, Father Brian , is this certificate valid? (I'm assuming you, if anyone, would know!). You could actually perform marriage ceremonies and such?

        Because if it is valid, then why bother ordaining anyone if all it takes is filling out a simple little form...?

        Universal Life Church - well, that's about as generic and non-denominational as it gets, lol!
        Well, the IRS apparently won't treat it as a church unless used as a church for others, so it likely isn't valid THERE!

        Many churches apparently like accreditation, and this is not valid THERE, so you likely can't become a church official elsewhere!

        Marriages are probably ok, if the local laws are met. If you don't follow local laws, and only claim marriage, I believe it is no good until some event makes it a marriage under common law.

        Since even a judge or a captain could officiate a marriage, I think the real arbiter is probably the witness to witness the effectively oral contract. If you look at the officiators part of the ceremony, it really IS an oral contract. Like SO many oral contracts, it isn't followed, but it is there.

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I hope they go for cremation as they are holding "lila" for a year and adding "kirby"for the interrment - and don't say when he died. I assume they are discussing ashes rather than bodies...

          Hey - you're a preacher in that church, Brian - got an answer???
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post


          Marriages are probably ok, if the local laws are met. If you don't follow local laws, and only claim marriage, I believe it is no good until some event makes it a marriage under common law.

          Since even a judge or a captain could officiate a marriage, I think the real arbiter is probably the witness to witness the effectively oral contract. If you look at the officiators part of the ceremony, it really IS an oral contract. Like SO many oral contracts, it isn't followed, but it is there.

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          Steve, this may help:

          http://ulccaselaw.com/wp-content/ima...tateofUtah.pdf

          Summary: In 2001, Utah's legislature passed a bill stopping people ordained online or by mail from officiating marriages; this case challenged the constitutionality of that bill. After reaching a US District Court, a precedent setting memorandum was issued affirming the right of Universal Life Church ministers to perform marriages.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            thanks for the giggles of the day, Brian
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

            Steve, this may help:

            http://ulccaselaw.com/wp-content/ima...tateofUtah.pdf

            Summary: In 2001, Utah’s legislature passed a bill stopping people ordained online or by mail from officiating marriages; this case challenged the constitutionality of that bill. After reaching a US District Court, a precedent setting memorandum was issued affirming the right of Universal Life Church ministers to perform marriages.
            WOW! WHOEVER tried that argument to fight the ULC was an IDIOT! OF COURSE they had NO STANDING! And the idea that a church must be in regular communication with the group? Do you have ANY idea how many churches that would affect?

            There was once a church, and a LOT of people decided to leave. OH, they did NOT all leave at once, but they LEFT! I don't know HOW they got their name, but you might say they PROTESTED! HECK, one in England VIOLENTLY protested! They even created their own bible! There are several books in either that aren't in the other. ANYWAY, that was used as a guide for the other groups, but their interpretations are different. ANOTHER, in germany, decided to split, they even created their own language! Every city seemed to speak a different dialect, so they came up with a standard language. Another in switzerland did! ETC.... ONE even left to start a little country called the US!(Everyone forgets the story of the PILGRIMS! ) **********NONE********** kept up communication with that first church! OK, you probably guessed that this is how the anglican and Lutheran denominations of the PROTESTANT christian churches came to be. That first church was the Catholic one, but there is a lot of difference between the catholic and the protestant, and eventually a lot of the rituals in Catholicism, that aren't described in the Bible, VANISH! But HEY, one split off here,in the US, in the 20th century, and became the foursquare. Another broke of from them, IIRC, and became cavalry(IIRC), and another broke off from THEM and became VINEYARD! HECK, I was in a PRIVATE church that became vineyard, started acting nuts, vineyard ask them to leave, and they became ANOTHER denomination!

            So WHAT would they do? Would they shut down like half the churches in the US? Oh SURE, the above eventually grew into their own denominations with GROUPS of churches, but SOME are even like copartners. Do the AMISH, for example, communicate back and forth? If so, HOW! STILL, some are FULLY NON DENOMINATIONAL! How about THIS little fully non denominational church? Grace Community Church | Grace Community Church I don't know how many members it has, but they call it a MEGA church! It COULD have over 20,000 members! I was there a couple decades ago. It IS huge!

            Of course the plaintiffs ALSO violate maritime and common law details as well.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        So, Father Brian , is this certificate valid? (I'm assuming you, if anyone, would know!). You could actually perform marriage ceremonies and such?

        Because if it is valid, then why bother ordaining anyone if all it takes is filling out a simple little form...?

        Universal Life Church - well, that's about as generic and non-denominational as it gets, lol!

        Well, I think there's a goldmine in advertising LGBT friendly weddings with a ULC ministry certificate. All the states that are now passing laws that permit companies and others to discriminate based on their "religious" beliefs would fuel the necessity for this "niche" and buyers would be created by these laws.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well, I think there's a goldmine in advertising LGBT friendly weddings with a ULC ministry certificate. All the states that are now passing laws that permit companies and others to discriminate based on their "religious" beliefs would fuel the necessity for this "niche" and buyers would be created by these laws.
          The "discrimination", that you speak of, is recognition that they don't have special rights to destroy a company or family when it fails to do just what they want in their way! So a company can't/won't support homosexual "weddings". BIG DEAL! As for ULC, what do THEY care? THEY want to get MAJOR players involved so that the whole thing comes tumbling down. A church with no precepts considered valid is no better than a lodge.It becomes nothing more than a place for people to get together. Of course, if some of those people worked to bring you down, etc... It may be advantageous to just start something new, and invite only those you know.

          I bet you EVEN support that couple of lesbians that even wanted to move into the couples home. Because of the ruling, they have stopped for EVERYONE! Nice outcome, huh? This means that they, as a group, get NOTHING, but everyone else loses. One of the women is trying to FORCE them to do what they now do for NOBODY! And WHY were they to pay the women $1500 EACH? I thought they wanted to be a married couple, WHAT, they don't trust one another?

          And a judge ruled against them in the core part because she said doing things like collecting fees makes it "not wholly private". If such a space is not wholly private, for things like sleeping or praying, it isn't even partially private. And by that measure, the government can do anything it pleases because most people collect of pay fees of some sort in their home, even if it is tax. They may have turned down MANY for that part, REGARDLESS of belief or sex.

          I love this! The authors blurb says : "Sarah Pulliam Bailey is a national correspondent for RNS, covering how faith intersects with politics, culture and other news. She previously served as online editor for Christianity Today where she remains an editor-at-large" Maybe SHE should read the famous letter written by thomas jefferson in 1802. He wrote it to the "Danbury Baptists" who were afraid that the US might go the way England did! England set up a STATE Church. THAT is why we have things like the King James Bible. Wikipedia says "The King James Version (KJV), commonly known as the Authorized Version (AV) or King James Bible (KJB), is an English translation of the Christian Bible for the Church of England begun in 1604 and completed in 1611.[a]"

          This is the letter that DOES speak of a wall between church and state. The area saying:

          Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from prescribing even those occasional performances of devotion, practiced indeed by the Executive of another nation as the legal head of its church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
          And how is a RELIGIOUS marriage ceremony not a part of religion? They speak of vows, there is often a bible, It is often held in a church, etc...

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

            The "discrimination", that you speak of, is recognition that they don't have special rights to destroy a company or family when it fails to do just what they want in their way! So a company can't/won't support homosexual "weddings".
            Steve
            Right ... big deal. Who cares about bigot companies or even bigot states that pass these kinds of laws. I would tell them it's against my religion to pay state taxes. See how that goes over.

            You're in the minority. Most people support LGBT rights, which are basic civil rights and many big companies are already boycotting Indiana for passage of their discriminatory law. They have said that they will not send their employees to Indiana and they will not hold their conventions there. The NCAA may not operate there as well in the future and the largest convention, GenCon has said it will not have it's conventions there and subject their market to discrimination.

            States want to encourage discrimination? Prepare to be the target of discrimination themselves.

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Right ... big deal. Who cares about bigot companies or even bigot states that pass these kinds of laws. I would tell them it's against my religion to pay state taxes. See how that goes over.
              ACTUALLY, I think THAT is why the Amish have a waiver! Unfortunately, there is a cutoff date for that excuse, but it is so far ongoing!

              SSR 82-44c

              It IS a bad example, but it also talks about things like:

              4] 26 U.S.C. § 1402(g) provides, in part:

              "(1) Exemptions. -- Any individual may file an application . . . for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously opposed to acceptance of the benefits of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act)."

              In order to qualify for the exemption, the applicant must waive his right to all Social Security benefits and the Secretary of Health and Human Services must find that the particular religious group makes sufficient provision for its dependent members.
              You're in the minority. Most people support LGBT rights
              Well, marriage meant something, implied by the very name, and so....

              , which are basic civil rights and many big companies are already boycotting Indiana for passage of their discriminatory law. They have said that they will not send their employees to Indiana and they will not hold their conventions there. The NCAA may not operate there as well in the future and the largest convention, GenCon has said it will not have it's conventions there and subject their market to discrimination.
              Well, apparently Indiana isn't alone in that. As for me being in the minority? I guess in a way I always have been. So what if there is one more way, like this?

              Isn't that a bit hypocritical? I wonder how much this will cost them. Will the grass TRULY be greener? I mean I KNOW they bring their own fertilizer, but will it help the plants.

              The SAN FRANCISCO mayor decides to go against a state the homosexuals don't like? WHAT A SHOCK! HORROR! In OTHER news, Mexicans like rice and beans and Japan eats fish, rice, and seaweed!

              Religion and homosexuality are at odds? Say it isn't so? And don't forget to leave your steel hammer out on a rainy day!

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            • Profile picture of the author seasoned
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Right ... big deal. Who cares about bigot companies or even bigot states that pass these kinds of laws. I would tell them it's against my religion to pay state taxes. See how that goes over.

              You're in the minority. Most people support LGBT rights, which are basic civil rights and many big companies are already boycotting Indiana for passage of their discriminatory law. They have said that they will not send their employees to Indiana and they will not hold their conventions there. The NCAA may not operate there as well in the future and the largest convention, GenCon has said it will not have it's conventions there and subject their market to discrimination.

              States want to encourage discrimination? Prepare to be the target of discrimination themselves.

              Mayor Ed Lee Forbids City Workers From Traveling to Homophobic Indiana

              San Francisco mayor bans publicly-funded travel to Indiana

              Sports Entities Begin to Digest Implications of Indiana Law

              Indiana Law Denounced as Invitation to Discriminate Against Gays

              Apple CEO slams Indiana "religious freedom" law seen as anti-gay
              BTW!!!!!!!!!! If I am in the minority, and boycotting does SUCH a great job, WHY SUE? I mean BOYCOTTING is at least somewhat fair.

              SIDE NOTE, I said SOMEWHAT! A lot of IDIOTS talk about places, and are LYING! Hobby lobby, for example, is supposedly minimum wage, and forbids their employees to use ANY kind of birth control, and doesn't supply insurance. The FACT is that they pay a good deal ABOVE minimum wage, and HAVE been paying for health insurance, and that health insurance provides a LOT of different types of contraception. They just don't provide 4 specific ones, like the day after pill, because they see it as ABORTION! They aren't catholic(which has historically been officially against birth control). They are protestant, which is generally OK with birth control, but against ABORTION. And look at chick filet! THEY hire homosexuals, etc.... They just don't like it or support it. There have been cases where people could really use a snack or something, like a traffic situation that happened later, and chick filet provided free food. They didn't ask any questions, etc... They did things like THIS:

              ‘Hateful,’ ‘day of intolerance’ Chick-fil-A restaurants across nation provide water … for protesters | Twitchy

              But HEY! BOYCOTT them, and let the MARKET sort it out! If you have a strong enough case, they will stop, leave, move, or change!

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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                BTW!!!!!!!!!! If I am in the minority, and boycotting does SUCH a great job, WHY SUE? I mean BOYCOTTING is at least somewhat fair.

                SIDE NOTE, I said SOMEWHAT!
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                Steve
                Lol ... my little post about these laws creating business opportunities for gay friendly businesses really got your homophobic juices flowing. Why not just pen a Steve's Book of Homophobia on the topic .... oh wait ... you already nearly did.

                The "discrimination", that you speak of, is recognition that they don't have special rights to destroy a company or family when it fails to do just what they want in their way! So a company can't/won't support homosexual "weddings". BIG DEAL!
                Is it also ok if they decide it's against their religion to support Black weddings or Jewish weddings or Catholic weddings or Hispanic weddings?

                ... so, more backlash that will undoubtedly cost Indiana jobs and revenue

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                • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Lol ... my little post about these laws creating business opportunities for gay friendly businesses really got your homophobic juices flowing. Why not just pen a Steve's Book of Homophobia on the topic .... oh wait ... you already nearly did.



                  Is it also ok if they decide it's against their religion to support Black weddings or Jewish weddings or Catholic weddings or Hispanic weddings?

                  ... so, more backlash that will undoubtedly cost Indiana jobs and revenue

                  Seattle will no longer fund travel to Indiana

                  Protesters rally against religious beliefs law in Indiana

                  Angie's List halts expansion over Indiana's religious freedom law
                  Well, you like throwing around homophobic a LOT. Even if I LOVED them, I wouldn't feel any differently, but I don't fear them! HEY, if you want a book that preaches hate against homosexuals, I guess you can look at the Russian policies. It ALSO might be in "Mein kampf".

                  Jewish people would likely go to a synagogue! Catholics would likely want a catholic service. ethnic Hispanics would likely want a Hispanic one. It is likely that they aren't prepared to do that. And as for BLACK? They wouldn't be believed for a thing like that. And if one of the others wanted a christian service, they would have a hard time saying they couldn't do that and it isn't considered a sin.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                    hey Brian, I must say you've given new meaning to stuff you can do just for fun - such as marrying your pets - lol

                    I love it - just like I love most light-hearted topics these days -
                    thanks!

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          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well, I think there's a goldmine in advertising LGBT friendly weddings with a ULC ministry certificate. All the states that are now passing laws that permit companies and others to discriminate based on their "religious" beliefs would fuel the necessity for this "niche" and buyers would be created by these laws.
          How true that is!!!! And you know what? Even in states where the union is not recognized as a legal marriage, imagine how many couples would contract an online ordained minister and have a ceremony anyway?

          The ceremony would almost be on the order of a couple renewing their vows. They're not getting legally married, they're simply having a nice ceremony.

          I can imagine some couples doing that. And if you're not totally against the concept, you could make some money by officiating a faux ceremony, right?

          Just brainstorming here...
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            Originally Posted by ksmusselman View Post

            How true that is!!!! And you know what? Even in states where the union is not recognized as a legal marriage, imagine how many couples would contract an online ordained minister and have a ceremony anyway?

            The ceremony would almost be on the order of a couple renewing their vows. They're not getting legally married, they're simply having a nice ceremony.

            I can imagine some couples doing that. And if you're not totally against the concept, you could make some money by officiating a faux ceremony, right?

            Just brainstorming here...
            They don't need a faux ceremony. Gay marriage will be heard and the whole situation rectified this year by the Supreme Court. There will be a lot of weddings on the horizon.
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            • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              They don't need a faux ceremony. Gay marriage will be heard and the whole situation rectified this year by the Supreme Court. There will be a lot of weddings on the horizon.
              Well, in the meantime...

              Did you ever see the wedding photos of Ellen and Portia? Wow - gorgeous! And their moms looked so proud!
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    For ten bucks I can get a certificate in a "special font", such as Arial or Verdana.
    Arial font, that special font that shipped with Windows95.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Arial font, that special font that shipped with Windows95.
      Buy low; sell high. Works for me!
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    Well all this argumentation about who gets rights and who doesn't is fun, but what I am wondering is..

    Hey Brian - did you have any particular objective in mind that being ordained achieves, or was it just something fun to do? hhhhmmmmmmm? Does this new capacity of yours help in winning more difficult cases? Do you find you get more deference in court when a client says "my Lawyer, Reverend.......... "
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Hey Brian - did you have any particular objective in mind that being ordained achieves, or was it just something fun to do?"
      Just for fun. You never know what opportunities will come up. When I was a little kid I once "married" my dog.

      My wife and daughter already want to be ministers too. Special "doctorate" programs are available. So if you want to be a Dr. ....

      Just so happened someone else I know has come forward and said she did the minister request. But she apparently signed up through a different website - one of many copycats that has sprung up. It was free to signup but $28 to receive a certificate.

      Make sure you use the official site I mentioned for the original church, even though it looks like the site is dead. My certificate was free. Although, alas, it does cost the $10 to have a special certificate printed in arial font. Times New Roman and Georgia are also on the list of special fonts.

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  • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    I signed up to get my free ordination as a minister from the Universal Life Church. All I had to do was fill out a web form with my name, address, and email, and now I have a certificate proving I am a minister.

    A bit of fun for the weekend. I told my wife I feel qualified if an exorcism is needed, although the "Church" has no religious doctrines.

    With the certificate came other documents, including 35 different products that can be bought, including one-time purchases and recurring products. Everything from a license plate frame to various courses to getting doctorate degrees. For ten bucks I can get a certificate in a "special font", such as Arial or Verdana.

    Interestingly, the website (Welcome to the official website for Universal Life Church, International Headquarters) does not look like it has been updated since 2007 and it's MySpace page no longer exists..

    Overall, I would say it goes to show:

    - You can start a business selling anything. This "template" can be used in many ways.

    - Fun is fun.

    - The marketing material is interesting and opened my eyes to a few ideas.

    - If I incorporate my own congregation I could have a nonprofit tax shelter!

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    First, congratulations!

    This reminds me of a conversation my cousins and I were having a few years back that I think would have been fun and profitable to do as a group.

    About 6 years ago my husband and I renewed our marriage vows. Since we were already married, we didn't need anyone official or legal to officiate the ceremony.

    So I asked my cousin's husband if he would do the honors. He did such a fantastic job that I had several people ask me during the reception, 'Who was your minister? He was really good!' Which made my cousins laugh, considering during the reception that 'minister' got totally drunk off his butt!

    At the next family gathering, we talked about how my cousin could be ordained through an online service, and we could go in together on purchasing a little chapel and some small amenities and start a business in the wedding industry!

    What fun!!!

    And then a few months ago, I see that an ordained minister takes his "show on the road." He had a mini chapel built on a trailer and he brings the chapel to his clients. This is such a COOL idea!!!

    Imagine wanting a small, intimate ceremony at home or at a nearby park but you would still want to get married in a "church" by an ordained minister. Solution? We bring the chapel to you!

    The great thing is, a non-denominational ordained minister can officiate a wedding in just about any religious faith!

    http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.2137218

    I just love this idea and would love to partner up with people to start a business like this myself. We have a big truck and we have a trailer. My husband has proven to be an excellent "emcee" and I love the wedding industry.

    Anybody game?
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