The final moments before the Plane crash!

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http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Inter...e-crash-736774

This is all text, although l tried to find the mobile phone video.

If l had found the mobile video, it probably would have been deleted by the Mods, so best to stay with text.

The text is enough, to get some idea of what that little S*** put these poor people through.

We hear reports about some kid with a gun killing half a dozen people, but this creature killed almost 150.

They need a crowbar and and a gun with Armour piercing bullets in the back, unless legislation is passed!

RIP!

  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    OK, this sounds FISHY!!!!!!! WHO set the mobile phone to record? In theory, it would HAVE to be the pilot or copilot. HOW could the pilot do it, and why wouldn't the copilot ask what is being done? WHY would the copilot do it? In theory NOBODY else could do it because it HAD to be in the cockpit. The transcript even makes this clear by saying "Through the cockpit door, the first sounds of passengers running in the aisles can be heard. ". So it was on the side OPPOSITE the passengers, or the COCKPIT!

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      To me - this is not something I want to sit and discuss on a forum . We all know what happened - we can watch the news.

      PLEASE - let's not turn this into yet another ranting thread about 'what if' or 'who is to blame'. These "current event/media" threads tend to go over the top quickly. How could anyone here have anything new or relevant to add to this tragic story?

      Just my opinion - everyone else can proceed as they please.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        To me - this is not something I want to sit and discuss on a forum . We all know what happened - we can watch the news.

        PLEASE - let's not turn this into yet another ranting thread about 'what if' or 'who is to blame'. These "current event/media" threads tend to go over the top quickly. How could anyone here have anything new or relevant to add to this tragic story?

        Just my opinion - everyone else can proceed as they please.
        I asked a serious question. THEY said mobile phone, and I asked how it got there. If it were in the passenger cabin, I would be fine with it.

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author butters
          Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

          I asked a serious question. THEY said mobile phone, and I asked how it got there. If it were in the passenger cabin, I would be fine with it.

          Steve
          You asked a question no one can answer so whats the point in asking it?
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by butters View Post

            You asked a question no one can answer so whats the point in asking it?
            OK, you got me THERE! I figured maybe someone read something, etc...

            Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author butters
              Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

              OK, you got me THERE! I figured maybe someone read something, etc...

              Steve
              All what happened was apparently, a memory chip of a phone was found with video on, that's all I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author WalkingCarpet
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    This is truly horrible. Its the airline's fault for letting a known psychotic case into the cockpit of a plane. Not enough plane crashes by accidents, terrorism, shot down by missiles, now suicidal pilots. Jesus H Christ.

    Also they should never let a lone pilot be in the cockpit. Always have 2.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by WalkingCarpet View Post

      This is truly horrible. Its the airline's fault for letting a known psychotic case into the cockpit of a plane. Not enough plane crashes by accidents, terrorism, shot down by missiles, now suicidal pilots. Jesus H Christ.
      OK, what does the H stand for? And the copilot apparently tried to hide all of this. Let's blame "PC" law for this. If a material physical item is found, especially if it keeps popping up, affected parties should be told. How many have died because such things weren't revealed? Adam Lanza, the fort hood guy, this copilot are only a FEW examples of people that killed people after people ENABLED them to do so by keeping such info PRIVATE!

      The copilots eyes were on their last gasp, so to speak. With all the cycling in the plane, he was really taking chances. The depression didn't help either. so he had NO business being on a plane so continuously, let alone being one that might fly it.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        OK, what does the H stand for?
        Here you go Steve:
        Jesus H. Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Steve - Around here, the "H" is said to refer to "holy"...as opposed to Harold or Herman....
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          • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
            What that pilot did to himself and all those innocent passengers makes me sick. I really don't want to keep discussing it on a forum, not unless somebody has a foolproof way to stop any pilot intent on a murderous sabotage.

            Anway, what is WC doing wearing a shirt? WC?
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        How many have died because such things weren't revealed? Adam Lanza, the fort hood guy, this copilot are only a FEW examples of people that killed people after people ENABLED them to do so by keeping such info PRIVATE!
        Steve, while I understand your sentiments, you need to keep in mind that what this co-pilot and Adam Lanza did were extreme and rare. Not to mention, human behavior simply isn't always predictable. Even the best mental health professionals can't predict anyone's behavior 100%.

        The pilot's tragic actions were far from "typical", particularly for someone suffering from depression with suicidal ideation. He reportedly told his former girlfriend quite some time before this incident that he wanted to do something to "change the system" and to "make sure everyone remembers his name". That, to me, sounds very narcissistic. He may also have had grandiose delusions. I suspect there was much more than depression going on with this individual.

        Should there be closer screening of pilots? Perhaps. But pilots aren't the only ones who can harm a lot of people at once. Someone can get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle - especially truck drivers or bus drivers - and kill a lot of people all at once as well. Should every person who gets a driver's license be screened for mental health issues - and if so, how often? Every 6 months? Every year? What about every nurse, doctor, or veterinarian, for example - people who have access to lethal drugs through their work? Even someone working in a restaurant, bakery, or fast food place could probably pretty easily poison a lot of people without anyone having a clue - until it's too late... So, again, where do you draw the line with screenings and privacy?

        Sadly, these two individuals (Lanza and the co-pilot) have added to the already troubling stigma attached to mental health issues. But in the whole big picture, it's a very rare person who does anything like what they did.

        As much as I'm deeply saddened by what happened, I'm still a huge advocate for privacy laws. There isn't, unfortunately, a simple solution. Could things have been done differently in this situation? Perhaps - starting with changing the lock system that kept the other pilot out of the cockpit. But to start violating people's privacy with regards to mental health issues - that can backfire in a lot of ways. It will deter a lot of people who need help from getting it. And that can also lead to tragic outcomes.

        As it is, a lot of people won't talk about suicidal thoughts due to the very realistic fear that the police might show up at their door and haul them off to the nearest hospital. Think that's not traumatizing? Think they'll reach out for help next time? I've seen this happen with a lot of people; they weren't at imminent risk, but they said the wrong thing to the wrong person and next thing they knew they were being treated like a criminal - literally - and now had to deal with incredible humiliation on top of their other struggles. Talk about adding insult to injury. Sometimes our "suicide prevention" efforts backfire in a huge way.

        This pilot reportedly had a doctor's note saying he was "too ill" to work that day; but too ill doesn't necessarily translate to suicidal / homicidal. If the doctor had had any reason to believe this guy was an imminent danger to himself or others, he would very likely have been involuntarily hospitalized. But again, it's not always obvious - even to highly trained professionals. Imminent risk isn't always as apparent as we'd like it to be.

        Screenings aren't 100% reliable - and they're invasive. Someone can be fine one week and experience a trauma or significant loss a week later (that no one knows about), potentially changing his or her mental health profile very quickly. Some mental health issues are chronic, but some are acute. So, should pilots be screened prior to every flight? Where do you draw the line?

        The solutions aren't black and white, and they never will be. I sincerely hope lawmakers don't make extreme decisions based on rare and extreme incidents like this one that end up doing more harm than good. Most tragedies like this one (or the Sandy Hook shooting, for example) aren't nearly as predictable or preventable as we'd like to believe...
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    Inside the A320 - Exclusive: The final moments before the crash

    This is all text, although l tried to find the mobile phone video.

    If l had found the mobile video, it probably would have been deleted by the Mods, so best to stay with text.

    The text is enough, to get some idea of what that little S*** put these poor people through.

    We hear reports about some kid with a gun killing half a dozen people, but this creature killed almost 150.

    They need a crowbar and and a gun with Armour piercing bullets in the back, unless legislation is passed!
    But that would defeat SO much! I wish I could remember the exact title. It may even have been "air force one". Anyway, they took all sorts of precautions, and had a locked up and secret armory. Enemies managed to bypass security and their guy on the inside got them access to the guns. 9/11 was apparently an inside job. Low level workers in the airports put the box cutters in the planes most likely to fly the route. BTW such people use box cutters for a lot of things, so they were certainly available and not suspicious.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      I read the whole thing, and they believe from the video that he/she was at the back of the plane doing the final seconds.

      Apparently he didn't have an issue about death, and could hold a mobile phone for that time.

      But l agree, 800 mph, would destroy the plane so fast, l doubt that they would have suffered.


      But scaffolding from an atomic bomb tower can survive intact and get flung some distance away, so a memory chip in a mobile phone surviving is possible.

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