A Millionaire In Finland Gets a $58,000 Ticket For Doing 64 In a 50 MPH Zone

by TLTheLiberator

Posted: 9 years ago 19 replies

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HeySal

9 years ago

I had to think about this one for a minute.

Here in the US the only people being hurt by lawbreaking are the poor. I think they might have a better perspective on "justice" over there - even if it sounds severe as heck. Our poor get put through the ringer over everything over here - they even get fined for not having enough money left over to be legal sometimes - while the rich just hire lawyers and write it off. Maybe their system is better.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

A fair and sensible system in taxation and fines that stings peoples wallets proportionately, based on their earnings and ability to pay! Are you mad! It will never happen here.

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Joe Mobley

9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

A fair and sensible system in taxation and fines that stings peoples wallets proportionately, based on their earnings and ability to pay! Are you mad! It will never happen here.

I wonder how many people with this attitude are talking (demanding?) "equality" out of the other side of their mouth?

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Well, when the average speed limit was 55MPH, I was actually watching the average speed of everyone! WHAT was the average speed? You want to guess????????

Did you guess?

It was SEVENTY TWO MPH!!!!!!! BTW, interesting sidenote! The average speed at which it was considered reckless, etc..... was 75! It was almost like they were trying to come in just under the wire. OH YEAH, according to car and driver, in 1984, only about FOUR of the cars they tested had accurate speedometers! ALSO, MANY cars have LOW profile tires that are VERY expensive! I have had THREE cars, Japanese, German, and American, and ALL had LOW PROFILE tires! On my first car, the tires cost about $130 EACH! On my second car, they cost about $140 EACH! On my third car, I don't think I even asked! On ALL, I ended up replacing them with normal tires, and it probably made my speedometer a little bit LOWER than it should be, since each revolution of the tire may have added an extra foot to the distance!

64 versus 50? Roughly EQUAL to the 72 vs 55! Allowing for a 5 MPH discrepancy, that is 59 v 50! That is about 18% faster than normal. And WHAT speed do the OTHERS go at? 72 v 55 is about 30% faster.

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butters

9 years ago

I think that's stupid... A punishment of a crime should be the same for everyone and not based on someone's bank balance.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I think that's stupid... A punishment of a crime should be the same for everyone and not based on someone's bank balance.

Technically, the punishment isn't "the same", though. Oh sure - say it's a flat $100 for 5 mph over the limit. So it's the same fee for anyone - but is that equivalent to the same punishment? Is the rich person actually punished the same by paying it as the person who only makes around $300 a week?

I'm not sayin' I'm right and you're wrong. Just giving the perspective. As far as I'm concerned gov shouldn't have the right to punish someone for a victimless crime, no matter what "could have" happened. I'm trying very hard to figure out what I feel the objective right action in this situation actually is since I believe, and always will believe, that no victim = no crime.

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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I'm trying very hard to figure out what I feel the objective right action in this situation actually is since I believe, and always will believe, that no victim = no crime.

No victim in this incident. However, speed zones are put in place to reduce the chance of there being victims of those who drive too fast.

I'm curious as to how you propose speed zone laws should be enforced if violators aren't punished in some way?

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Actually, if we go constitutional about it - the gov has no right to make those laws. We have a right to autonomy and transportation, and if nobody gets hurt, you have not committed a crime. They brought in the "registration" for vehicles under false pretenses so they could usurp our right and turn it into a privilege.

Unfortunately - we've got so many drooling stupid people on the road today, that it's dangerous to drive even with laws. Even with laws we'd have idiots who can't figure out not to text and drive for example. For gods sake, in the US half of these cows can't even figure out you don't walk out onto roads without looking for moving traffic anymore.

For all the good the laws are doing us (as already pointed out, they're making some revenue for the system, and that's about it) - it might be better to let other drivers just run you off the road and beat your ass real hard and good if you can't figure out how to drive without being a danger to everyone else on the road. I know a few people who'd still be alive if someone had potshotted the tires off of someone else's cars when the driver couldn't figure out how to control it themselves.

I've almost been hit a few times by cell phoners and texters. Once I was a pedestrian and would have been killed if hit - the car missed me by inches because I saw him coming in time.......he never even seemed to realize he almost killed someone. I'd have given anything to have been packing and taken one of his tires out. But - the law says we can't do it ourselves, we have to let the gov do it so they can get the money. Well, it's not working. People are still texting to high hell and back while they're driving. I think getting their asses kicked real hard a few times would be a much more effective deterrent.

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Cali16

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

People are still texting to high hell and back while they're driving. I think getting their asses kicked real hard a few times would be a much more effective deterrent.

True. People who drive and text annoy the heck out of me. It's as dangerous as drunk driving, but much more difficult to catch and enforce than speeding, unfortunately. I've come close to being hit on several occasions by idiots who were too busy talking on their phone or texting while driving. And sadly, they're usually not teens but adults who you'd think would know better.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

Nobody has to know better than much anymore. In the current state of the nation, you are never ultimately responsible for your own actions. That's why I think personal beating should just be left alone - people need to start realizing that they are going to be held accountable somehow for their actions other than "if the police catch me and I have to plead out in court".

That's natural sociology and the further we get from it into fascist sociology, the more violent it's going to get -- real senseless violence, not guys punching someone out for calling a female a whore or craming someone's ipod down their throat for almost totaling their car out. People are going to get more cowlike until we go back to natural soc. I just stay away from massive conglomerations of them. They drive me crazy.

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I think that's stupid... A punishment of a crime should be the same for everyone and not based on someone's bank balance.

A $100 fine on someone who makes minimum wage will make that person think twicee about committing the crime again.

A $100 fine on someone who makes a million a year won't even register, so they will keep on doing it again and again.

Oh and BTW Sal, the road death toll statisics prove that speeding is not a "victimless" crime.

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TLTheLiberator

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

A $100 fine on someone who makes minimum wage will make that person think twicee about committing the crime again.

A $100 fine on someone who makes a million a year won't even register, so they will keep on doing it again and again.

Oh and BTW Sal, the road death toll statistics prove that speeding is not a "victimless" crime.

True, and for example, (in regards to the amounts of fines) I heard JFK Jr. used to park anywhere he wanted to because he knew he could afford the fines.

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Frank Donovan 9 years ago

Financial penalties for offences such as speeding are inherently unfair. They've long been used in the UK to bolster the coffers of local government rather than as an actual deterrent, hence the proliferation of speed cameras and other CCTV installations. It's proved to be a lucrative revenue stream for local councils.

A far better system would be for offenders to have to undertake some form of community service or face a temporary suspension of driving privileges, but that wouldn't be so financially profitable.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

Okay. I don't know - but since you've looked them up, I'll take your word for it for this thread.
So......which is right - one fee for everyone or gradated by wealth?

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whateverpedia

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Okay. I don't know - but since you've looked them up, I'll take your word for it for this thread.
So......which is right - one fee for everyone or gradated by wealth?

For crimes where the punishment is a fine, I'd do what the Finnish have done. For crimes that require jail time, then the same punishment for everyone that commits it.

Or perhaps in the case of wealthy repeat offenders who can afford to pay the fines without blinking an eye, give them some time in the slammer.

Whichever way, the punishment should deter them from doing it again.

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lanfear63 9 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I think that's stupid... A punishment of a crime should be the same for everyone and not based on someone's bank balance.

A hundred dollar fine to an average earner will be seen by them as a significant deterrent. To someone earning 7 million a year it will be seen as chump change, not a deterrent. Only if they did it repeatedly and lost their licence would it be an inconvenience. But then, they could afford a chauffeur or taxis while their ban played out.

Interestingly enough, based on road fatalities per 100000 inhabitants per year, Finland, Norway and Denmark and some other european countries are among the lowest. Not saying it's the reason for it but an interesting stat.

Source: List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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yukon Banned 9 years ago

How is Claude connected to this?
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- whateverpedia 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  How is Claude connected to this?
  
  Very good point. 15 posts on the thread so far and no-one has made fun of Claude yet. OT standards are slipping.
  
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  lanfear63 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by whateverpedia
  
  Very good point. 15 posts on the thread so far and no-one has made fun of Claude yet. OT standards are slipping.
  
  Claude was driving through the streets of Wooster doing 5 miles over the speed limit, a traffic cop pulled him over.
  Thats the second time I have caught you Claude and this time the fine is $2000.00 said the officer.
  
  Why don't I just give you a brand new Riccar and we will say no more about it, said Claude.
  
  Are you trying to bribe an officer of the law, said the cop
  
  No, just thought it would help you clean up the city, said Claude.
  
  Thats a very good idea, said the officer, as they exchanged the Secret Handshake.
  
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A Millionaire In Finland Gets a $58,000 Ticket For Doing 64 In a 50 MPH Zone

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