Humanoids Suck - Worldwide Edition

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    There's a lot of rescue groups forming now to stop the illegal dog meat industry. Considering what they do to those animals, they shouldn't be "stopped". They should be shot on sight.

    Humans are a much more scrody species than they want to think they are. If we could clean this planet out of subhuman vermin that think it's okay to torture and kill something else, we'd have a much nicer planet to inhabit.

    The day they tell us it's legal to shoot an animal/human abuser on the spot is the day you can label me a murderer.
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      Lol, the OP article about dog meat in China has Chinese recipes in the right sidebar.

      Yum, yum.






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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Lol, the OP article about dog meat in China has Chinese recipes in the right sidebar.

        Yum, yum.
        Pathetically and morbidly ironic. :-(

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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          The hope for the planet and other species is that Homo sapiens will also prove to be just a fad.

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          • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            The hope for the planet and other species is that Homo sapiens will also prove to be just a fad.

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            Claude Fad. Yes, I suppose it has a certain ring to it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
            the media would have us think that there are many more bad people than good - because that is what they are paid to write about -

            the truth of the matter is that there are many more good people in this world than bad - I believe that without any doubts whatsoever.

            so I disagree strongly with your blanket heading that humanoids suck - and I personally like to focus on the good people and screw the bad ones - karma will take care of those ones eventually anyway.
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            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

              the media would have us think that there are many more bad people than good - because that is what they are paid to write about -

              the truth of the matter is that there are many more good people in this world than bad - I believe that without any doubts whatsoever.

              so I disagree strongly with your blanket heading that humanoids suck - and I personally like to focus on the good people and screw the bad ones - karma will take care of those ones eventually anyway.
              Well the problem with good people is that most of them sit around with their thumbs up their asses instead of taking action against this type of thing. How many times has each of you "good people" seen a case of abuse and not responded - just turned away like it's none of your business? Got news -- that's NOT a good person even though it is the average person.

              Well I'm NOT a good person. I had a dog taken away from a blind man once when I saw him caning it just because he wanted to treat something like shyte on his shoe. I've called the humane society several times. If I had the money and support, I'd join that chick over in Africa and help gun down poachers. If I could do it without spending my life in jail for it - there's 3 factory farms in Idaho that I'd love to pop the owners and workers right between the eyes with some lead for. Frankly - I've had all I can take of humans ignoring the amount of abuse that is going on then considering themselves "good" people.

              Right now all I can do is donate a little to the rescue units and to organizations fighting factory farming. I barely make enough to support myself - but at least I do that much. How many "good" people are doing that to stop animals from being tortured - skinned or boiled alive?
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                Well the problem with good people is that most of them sit around with their thumbs up their asses instead of taking action against this type of thing. How many times has each of you "good people" seen a case of abuse and not responded - just turned away like it's none of your business? Got news -- that's NOT a good person even though it is the average person.

                Well I'm NOT a good person. I had a dog taken away from a blind man once when I saw him caning it just because he wanted to treat something like shyte on his shoe. I've called the humane society several times. If I had the money and support, I'd join that chick over in Africa and help gun down poachers. If I could do it without spending my life in jail for it - there's 3 factory farms in Idaho that I'd love to pop the owners and workers right between the eyes with some lead for.
                Sheeesh.....where is all this passion/borderline something else when a human being gets gunned down?

                The hope for the planet and other species is that Homo sapiens will also prove to be just a fad.
                worthy of a three roll eyes salute

                You should know you've gone off the deep end when you are hoping for the death of all humans so Lassie can roam free. I mean I LOVE dogs (not so much a cat person) but the hate against humans is just so irrational.
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                • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  worthy of a three roll eyes salute

                  You should know you've gone off the deep end when you are hoping for the death of all humans so Lassie can roam free. I mean I LOVE dogs (not so much a cat person) but the hate against humans is just so irrational.
                  Nope, no hating of humans here - not even those with severe roll eyes syndrome. The comment was from the perspective of the planet and other species - it wasn't specifically referring to the incident in the OP, so no need to bring Lassie into it. Personally, I find anthropocentrism irrational.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                    Nope, no hating of humans here - not even those with severe roll eyes syndrome. The comment was from the perspective of the planet and other species
                    Doesn't matter what the perspective is - still irrational


                    Personally, I find anthropocentrism irrational.
                    Well since the hope for the planet and other species is that human die out for the good of other species perhaps those so "enlightened" can set the example and begin the process with themselves . We will follow after ..we promise ...scouts honor...lol.

                    P.S. Even from an evolutionary standpoint Humans ARE the most significant species...facts are facts ... my condolences to those who drink a bit too hard in extreme PETA kool aid..
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                    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Even from an evolutionary standpoint Humans ARE the most significant species...facts are facts ... my condolences to those who drink a bit too hard in extreme PETA kool aid..
                      That's probably true. When the final destruction of our planet is recorded man will be credited as the species that most significantly brought about the Earth's demise.

                      Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                        That's probably true. When the final destruction of our planet is recorded man will be credited as the species that most significantly brought about the Earth's demise.

                        Cheers. - Frank
                        Probably - unless we get slammed with an ultra meteor, like the one that killed off all those dinosaurs.

                        Maybe we'll get lucky.
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                          Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                          Probably - unless we get slammed with an ultra meteor, like the one that killed off all those dinosaurs.
                          I believe that Vegas does post odds on that, but I don't know how one would actually collect their winnings. :-)

                          Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                        That's probably true. When the final destruction of our planet is recorded man will be credited as the species that most significantly brought about the Earth's demise.

                        Cheers. - Frank
                        I hardly think so Frank. When it comes to the entire earth the demise is more likely to be a hit from space. As it stands the only hope for the earth would be human beings. I rather doubt the dolphins will come up with a plan.
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          I rather doubt the dolphins will come up with a plan.
                          Correct. It will take a few hundred million years more of evolution for them to do so. Sooner or later they'll get there, if another species doesn't beat them to it.. :-)

                          Cheers. - Frank
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            Correct. It will take a few hundred million years more of evolution for them to do so. Sooner or later they'll get there, if another species doesn't beat them to it.. :-)

                            Cheers. - Frank
                            A) Unfortunately we are not likely to have that time for the Dolphins to catch up
                            B) you seem to be assuming that Evolution given enough time makes every species intelligent which would make it extremely directed ...careful you might start sounding like a theistic evolutionist and get the whole thread in trouble
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                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              A) Unfortunately we are not likely to have that time for the Dolphins to catch up
                              B) you seem to be assuming that Evolution given enough time makes every species intelligent which would make it extremely directed ...careful you might start sounding like a theistic evolutionist and get the whole thread in trouble
                              Don't assume I'm assuming anything. lol It's early and I'm not really giving this a high degree of 'deep thought' as it silly to discuss at a meaningful level since we all have our own set of 'facts' from which we are postulating.

                              Me? I'm still trying to get my collar to line up when I'm finished buttoning my shirt.

                              Cheers. - Frank
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                                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                                Me? I'm still trying to get my collar to line up when I'm finished buttoning my shirt.

                                Cheers. - Frank
                                The exact reason I stick to t-shirts...
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                                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                                  The exact reason I stick to t-shirts...
                                  Thanks for the tip. In one fell swoop you have completely negated the general consensus that all of your contributions are totally worthless. Just kidding!!!

                                  I have no idea why I am so mean-spirited, this morning? I heard that! No, it does NOT come naturally to me. lol

                                  Cheers. - Frank
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                                Me? I'm still trying to get my collar to line up when I'm finished buttoning my shirt.

                                Cheers. - Frank
                                I thought the Apple Watch did that for you? Has it shipped yet?
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                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  I thought the Apple Watch did that for you? Has it shipped yet?
                                  Actually, it only sounds an alarm when you have misconfigured the alignment. It will be a few more iterations before it will actually button your shirt for you, but you can bet that it's coming.

                                  I have not actually ordered one, yet. I will probably pick one up on my next visit to the Apple store. No rush. :-)

                                  Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                        That's probably true. When the final destruction of our planet is recorded man will be credited as the species that most significantly brought about the Earth's demise.

                        Cheers. - Frank
                        So you saw the part on Planet Of The Apes when the lawgiver gave his waring abiout man via Dr. Zeues

                        So, if the earth is destroyed, traced back to the hands of someone an Earthling, are you saying you blame all men?


                        From babies to the real elderly?

                        Is this how you feel Frank?


                        Surely we can lay blame for the Earth's troubles at the hands of the planet's oligarchs and not every man, woman and child right who has ever lived especially after the industrial revolution.
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                          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                          Surely we can lay blame for the Earth's troubles at the hands of the planet's oligarchs and not every man, woman and child right who has ever lived especially after the industrial revolution.
                          OK - but you take this shit way too seriously!

                          Have you tried the forums over at Scientific American? :-)

                          Cheers. - Frank
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                          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            OK - but you take this shit way too seriously!

                            Have you tried the forums over at Scientific American? :-)

                            Cheers. - Frank

                            Fine but maybe I'll start a thread named "Oligarchs Suck - Worldwide Edition".
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                              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                              Fine but maybe I'll start a thread named "Oligarchs Suck - Worldwide Edition".
                              I would be most interested in reading that, but 'Oligarchs Suck' is a bumper sticker on my car.

                              Cheers. - Frank
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                              • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                                Karen,
                                I hate to break it to you but there are people out there ( as exhibited first hand in this Thread) who really 'get off' on being miserable. And 'get off' by seeing only the negative events happening in the World.

                                Are you kidding me , these people do not want to see the good stuff that happens every second of the day in this World. Its not exciting enough for them LOL

                                They want to focus on all the crap as it gives them a feeling of self satisfaction knowing that they are NOT the only ones feeling miserable about themselves and the World we live in




                                P.S. I am not a betting man. But Karen, I would wager to guess that you probably grew up in a Loving environment and up to this day you continue to surround yourself with positive, good people.

                                It really shows.
                                Its sad but I suspect some of the old curmudgeons who have clearly made themselves known in this Thread here probably have NOT been around good, positive people their whole lives

                                I sincerely pity them
                                some of them just get off on stirring up stuff - they want to see who takes the bait - and me in all my naivete always falls for this stuff - you would think I would have learned by now. Oh well. I've made a promise to myself that after this thread, I am no longer taking anything I read in this section seriously. It's a complete waste of energy.

                                actually, I grew up in a very dysfunctional family but I overcame a lot of hardships in my life - I learned to forgive in order to save my own life - so that I wouldn't turn into a bitter angry person. I think I've succeeded.


                                Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                                "Yet another one"?

                                What a negative, judgmental view of someone you know absolutely nothing about...
                                I apologize, perryny, you're right I don't know you and I didn't mean to offend you - but your post seemed to suggest that you didn't see much good in humans - perhaps I misunderstood. That is easy to do in a thread such as this.
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                                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                                  This is all and only about the nature of the beast that is the human race. However much you would level a playing field of education and start in life you would still get slow learners, different levels of aptitude and ability, intelligence levels, motivation, comprehension etc.

                                  Out of the pack emerges the go getters, the people who aspire to become successful in business, to become the leaders etc. This does not always mean a high IQ, just the motivation and the personality to manipulate and motivate others to follow. It also means that just because the rest of us allow them to lead, it is not always wise leadership and the choices made take us in unfavourable directions which can ultimately lead to our downfall,

                                  So yes. it could be said that it's all of us in a way but it's due to the way we, the human race are wired.
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                                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                                  Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                                  some of them just get off on stirring up stuff - they want to see who takes the bait - and me in all my naivete always falls for this stuff - you would think I would have learned by now. Oh well. I've made a promise to myself that after this thread, I am no longer taking anything I read in this section seriously. It's a complete waste of energy.
                                  Karen,
                                  You nailed it. Its hard to take this place seriously. Its a bar of sorts.

                                  However, many of the big time talkers here would probably cower in their seats like the little hot air twits they are if you met them in person. LOL

                                  I'm convinced of that
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                          Surely we can lay blame for the Earth's troubles at the hands of the planet's oligarchs and not every man, woman and child right who has ever lived especially after the industrial revolution.
                          I would blame the problems on the entire species. If you get stung a million times by bees, do you blame the Queen bee? We act according to our nature, as a species.

                          There is no Them VS Us....there is only us.

                          The guys that burned 144 cars in Baltimore? That's us. The people the next day, that cleaned up the streets? That's also us.

                          We, as a species, consume more than we put back. That's us. It isn't evil. But the results aren't great.

                          I understand "blaming those in power". But that gives them too much credit. They are us.

                          Just an opinion.
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                          • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            I would blame the problems on the entire species. If you get stung a million times by bees, do you blame the Queen bee? We act according to our nature, as a species.

                            There is no Them VS Us....there is only us.

                            The guys that burned 144 cars in Baltimore? That's us. The people the next day, that cleaned up the streets? That's also us.

                            We, as a species, consume more than we put back. That's us. It isn't evil. But the results aren't great.

                            I understand "blaming those in power". But that gives them too much credit. They are us.

                            Just an opinion.
                            From a guy who thinks "exacerbated income inequality" isn't a big problem here in the U.S.A.

                            Why am I not surprised?
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                              Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                              From a guy who thinks "exacerbated income inequality" isn't a big problem here in the U.S.A.

                              Why am I not surprised?
                              I understand completely why you think this way. I take no offence by your remark.

                              It's just not a worldview I share.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Doesn't matter what the perspective is - still irrational
                      Of course the perspective matters. What's irrational is the belief that the planet wouldn't manage just fine without humans.

                      Well since the hope for the planet and other species is that human die out for the good of other species perhaps those so "enlightened" can set the example and begin the process with themselves . We will follow after ..we promise ...scouts honor...lol.
                      No need. The process is already underway.

                      P.S. Even from an evolutionary standpoint Humans ARE the most significant species...facts are facts ... my condolences to those who drink a bit too hard in extreme PETA kool aid..
                      Nonsensical statement. But then, human exceptionalism is probably incompatible with objective thought.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                        Of course the perspective matters. What's irrational is the belief that the planet wouldn't manage just fine without humans.
                        and who prey tell ever made the argument it wouldn't(with the notable exception noted above in my response to Frank)? unless you are under the impression that significant means that which no other species can do without you are off on an irrelevant tangent.

                        No need. The process is already underway.
                        Take the lead my good man. If you care for the other species show us how it is all done. Why wait leaving those species struggling? Have you no compassion?

                        Nonsensical statement. But then, human exceptionalism is probably incompatible with objective thought.
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                        Most things people are not capable of comprehending they consider nonsense so you are forgiven for a blurt with no substance to back it up but alas such rhetoric is more incompatible with objective thought. Evolution is about adaptation so yes like it or not on that basis humans are the most significant because at this point due to intelligence they are the most adaptable. Simple.
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          Evolution is about adaptation so yes like it or not on that basis humans are the most significant because at this point due to intelligence they are the most adaptable. Simple.
                          You keep using the term "significant" without realizing that it's like scoring everyone else by rules you made up for a game they're not even playing.

                          And if you seriously want to judge significance by the ability to adapt, bacteria would have humans beaten hands down.

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                            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                            You keep using the term "significant" without realizing that it's like scoring everyone else by rules you made up for a game they're not even playing.
                            Don't complain...you are the one that brought that up by referencing anthropocentrism so it was in fact your game. significance is part and parcel of what the word means

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                            And if you seriously want to judge significance by the ability to adapt, bacteria would have humans beaten hands down.
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                            only if you are confusing adaptation with survival.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Don't complain...you are the one that brought that up by referencing anthropocentrism so it was in fact your game. significance is part and parcel of what the word means
                              I'm not complaining. In fact, I'm glad you agree that the use of the term "significance" in this context has its roots in anthropocentrism.

                              only if you are confusing adaptation with survival.
                              Adaptation, survival... it's game, set and match to the bacteria.

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                                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                I'm not complaining. In fact, I'm glad you agree that the use of the term "significance" in this context has its roots in anthropocentrism.
                                Makes sense - you are glad I agree that significance is part of your own argument but were objecting to me bringing the word up

                                Adaptation, survival... it's game, set and match to the bacteria.

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                                If (big if)at some point in the future we should find that bacteria is not in our best interests we could conceivably eradicate it. Some variations of it have given us their best shot but we are still here. In short - They serve at our pleasure. If the earth ever begins to become uninhabitable for bacteria that would be the end for it . Humans could potentially see such an event coming and adapt with innovations.

                                To claim features of bacteria are more adaptable than human intelligence is a waste of any intelligent persons time arguing. It lacks sufficient imagination as to the applications of intelligence.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Makes sense - you are glad I agree that significance is part of your own argument but were objecting to me bringing the word up
                                  Significance was never "part of my own argument", whatever you mean by that. I was pointing out the subjective irrelevance of your use of the term in the context of evolution.

                                  If (big if)at some point in the future we should find that bacteria is not in our best interests we could conceivably eradicate it.
                                  Huh? Bacteria are essential for all life on the planet. That isn't going to change.

                                  Some variations of it have given us their best shot but we are still here. In short - They serve at our pleasure.
                                  Actually, if anything, we serve at their pleasure.

                                  If the earth ever begins to become uninhabitable for bacteria that would be the end for it . Humans could potentially see such an event coming and adapt with innovations.
                                  Well, good luck with that. I see faith in the inexorability of human progress as little more than superstition.

                                  To claim features of bacteria are more adaptable than human intelligence is a waste of any intelligent persons time arguing. It lacks sufficient imagination as to the applications of intelligence.
                                  And yet these dumb old bacteria were here long before us and will be here long after us.

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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                    Significance was never "part of my own argument", whatever you mean by that.
                                    check the dictionary link I gave you. Ignorance of the meaning of a word you brought into your own argument doesn't mean you can post hoc claim you never brought it into your argument. Sorry....your fault not mine.

                                    Huh? Bacteria are essential for all life on the planet. That isn't going to change.
                                    hence the hypothetical "big if" you completely missed plus I don't know anyone that forecast tens or even hundreds of millions of years where evolution may one day lead

                                    Well, good luck with that. I see faith in the inexorability of human progress as little more than superstition.
                                    as is the superstition that if you get rid of the human race the rest of the planet will automatically be better off - entirely unknowable given how ecosystems work - you know the superstition you spouted that got us into this discussion to begin with

                                    And yet these dumb old bacteria were here long before us and will be here long after us.
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                                    So were rocks.....lol..... and they preceded bacteria so maybe all life should clear out to allow them to be uninterrupted by biological movement.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      check the dictionary link I gave you. Ignorance of the meaning of a word you brought into your own argument doesn't mean you can post hoc claim you never brought it into your argument. Sorry....your fault not mine.
                                      Again, you first brought up the concept of significance - I responded to its meaninglessness in the context of evolution. Despite your convoluted attempt to suggest otherwise, that fact isn't inconsistent with my earlier reference to anthropocentrism. But kudos for looking it up.

                                      hence the hypothetical "big if" you completely missed plus I don't know anyone that forecast tens or even hundreds of millions of years where evolution may one day lead
                                      That's because there is no "big if" about the role of bacteria in the formation and maintenance of life, now or in the future.

                                      as is the superstition that if you get rid of the human race the rest of the planet will automatically be better off - entirely unknowable given how ecosystems work - you know the superstition you spouted that got us into this discussion to begin with
                                      Nobody said automatically - but the odds are good, given what's happened during our relatively brief existence.

                                      So were rocks.....lol..... and they preceded bacteria so maybe all life should clear out to allow them to be uninterrupted by biological movement.
                                      Reductio ad absurdum


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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                        Again, you first brought up the concept of significance
                                        one thing I never abide in online exchanges is intellectual dishonesty to save face. Post 27 is my first post in this thread and it states nothing about significance. The very next of your posts (post 33) in response to that post was bringing up the term anthropocentrism which specifically refers to significance. Need the link again?

                                        Anthropocentric | Definition of anthropocentric by Merriam-Webster

                                        need it quoted?

                                        considering human beings as the most significant entity of the universe
                                        Spin do the twist gyrate hop and dance that was all you - anthropocentrism refers directly to the concept of significance. Being wrong happens to all of us no need to add dishonesty on top of it.

                                        Perhaps you should have looked up the term before blundering forward? but regardless the only thing convoluted is watching you try to spin out of your own introduction of significance to this thread because you didn't know the meaning of the term

                                        That's because there is no "big if" about the role of bacteria in the formation and maintenance of life, now or in the future.
                                        which only goes to show you are clueless as well on the usage of a hypothetical. the point of saying big if is to highlight it was a hypothetical. I also have no idea of what the future tens or hundreds of millions years from now holds and neither do you so you can stop pretending you do.

                                        Nobody said automatically - but the odds are good, given what's happened during our relatively brief existence.
                                        For most of our existence nothing has happened that has not happened with countless other species - survival of the fittest. the only thing that our species has done significantly different occurred in the last 100-150 years with the advent of various technologies. Judging any species value to the planet based on a span of less that even a thousand years much less 100-150 years is beyond silly to anyone who comprehends the history of life.

                                        You odds are based on nothing of substance and your argument can be dismissed on the same basis.
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                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          one thing I never abide in online exchanges is intellectual dishonesty to save face. Post 27 is my first post in this thread and it states nothing about significance. The very next of your posts (post 33) in response to that post was bringing up the term anthropocentrism which specifically refers to significance.
                                          Spin do the twist gyrate hop and dance that was all you - anthropocentrism refers directly to the concept of significance. Being wrong happens to all of us no need to add dishonesty on top of it.
                                          Perhaps you should have looked up the term before blundering forward? but regardless the only thing convoluted is watching you try to spin out of your own introduction of significance to this thread because you didn't know the meaning of the term
                                          While you had your dictionary open, you should have looked up the word "context". You specifically used the term "significant" to describe human adaptability from an evolutionary standpoint. Want a reminder?

                                          humans are the most significant because at this point due to intelligence they are the most adaptable
                                          Evolution is about adaptation so yes like it or not on that basis humans are the most significant
                                          When I mentioned that adaptability was a trait better deployed by bacteria, you decided, for reasons best known to yourself, to bring up my earlier reference to anthropcentrism - as if that rendered your contention about significance in relation to adaptability any less irrelevant.

                                          So now that we all know what anthropocentrism means, if you want to call yourself anthropocentric, be my guest.

                                          which only goes to show you are clueless as well on the usage of a hypothetical. the point of saying big if is to highlight it was a hypothetical. I also have no idea of what the future tens or hundreds of millions years from now holds and neither do you so you can stop pretending you do.
                                          Gratuitous insults aside, it seems I know enough not to confuse the terms "hypothetical" with "biologically impossible".

                                          For most of our existence nothing has happened that has not happened with countless other species - survival of the fittest. the only thing that our species has done significantly different occurred in the last 100-150 years with the advent of various technologies. Judging any species value to the planet based on a span of less that even a thousand years much less 100-150 years is beyond silly to anyone who comprehends the history of life.
                                          Using the phrase "survival of the fittest" points to just a cursory grasp of evolutionary theory, or a deeper misunderstanding of it. Darwin only used the term, originally coined by Herbert Spencer, much later - in an attempt to correct its inappropriate, yet widespread use in describing his concept of natural selection.

                                          You odds are based on nothing of substance and your argument can be dismissed on the same basis.
                                          As, evidently, can any argument based on your version of evolution.

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                                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                            While you had your dictionary open, you should have looked up the word "context". You specifically used the term "significant" to describe human adaptability from an evolutionary standpoint. Want a reminder?
                                            Sorry don't need one. I did so particulary because YOU raised the issue of anthropocentrism in contradiction to your earlier claim. Understand the word context now? the context of my answer relates to your previous raising the issue of significance - elementary context issue if there ever was one. Unless you are implying that the word anthropocentrism is limited merely to a creationist viewpoint (which would be another blunder) then its applicable to any viewpoint including one from an evolutionary standpoint. I chose to point out that significance based on an evolutionary standpoint. So once again your attempt to spin and misrepresent falls flat.

                                            When I mentioned that adaptability was a trait better deployed by bacteria, you decided, for reasons best known to yourself, to bring up my earlier reference to anthropcentrism - as if that rendered your contention about significance in relation to adaptability any less irrelevant.
                                            It was never irrelevant you just hopelessly confused survival with adaptation. If you misunderstand something just ask and I will explain it to you but that fact that you don't understand the difference between the two does not render it to be reasons best known merely to myself....well unless I am the only one here that understands the difference.

                                            Using the phrase "survival of the fittest" points to just a cursory grasp of evolutionary theory, or a deeper misunderstanding of it.
                                            You are blundering hopelessly now . Survival of the fittest in that reference does NOT relate to how a species evolved but what its doing in its present state. You just entirely forgot that the discussion was about what the human species has done to the planet not how the species has evolved . Your whole point earlier about context just renders itself now hopelessly hypocritical since you just veered out of context to try and suit yourself. The reason Darwin could use the term was because fittest animals survive over unfit ones in the here and now . Thats a fact that stands whether there is evolution or there is stasis. You should at least learn the roots of a phrase before attempting to lecture on Darwin All the human species has done is survive by killing weaker/more vunerable animals which answers your failed point that somehow the Human species has shown itself to be more disastrous to the planet than other species.

                                            Could you address the silliness of making that assessment based on the sliver of 100-150 years that we have done anything significantly different from many other species in their ecosystems?

                                            Of course not. Its really quite silly so you decided to make yourself busy erroneously equating survival with evolution just as you earlier equated adaptation with survival.
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                                              Sheesh, is this exchange still going?

                                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                              Sorry don't need one. I did so particulary because YOU raised the issue of anthropocentrism in contradiction to your earlier claim.
                                              Contradiction to what claim? The word only came up (in post #33) as an oblique reference to the snide comment in post #27.

                                              Understand the word context now? the context of my answer relates to your previous raising the issue of significance - elementary context issue if there ever was one. Unless you are implying that the word anthropocentrism is limited merely to a creationist viewpoint (which would be another blunder) then its applicable to any viewpoint including one from an evolutionary standpoint. I chose to point out that significance based on an evolutionary standpoint. So once again your attempt to spin and misrepresent falls flat.
                                              At this stage, the only thing spinning is my head from trying to glean any semblance of point from that passage. No matter how many times you bring up my reference to anthropocentrism, it still doesn't make your elevation of human significance due to a claimed superiority in evolutionary adaptability any less misguided.

                                              It was never irrelevant you just hopelessly confused survival with adaptation. If you misunderstand something just ask and I will explain it to you but that fact that you don't understand the difference between the two does not render it to be reasons best known merely to myself....well unless I am the only one here that understands the difference.
                                              There's no confusion over the terms, but you might well be the only one here who doesn't understand that survival is a consequence of adaptation.

                                              You are blundering hopelessly now . Survival of the fittest in that reference does NOT relate to how a species evolved but what its doing in its present state.
                                              If you're going to continue employing common phrases to mean something you just made up, you'll need to start adding footnotes.

                                              You just entirely forgot that the discussion was about what the human species has done to the planet not how the species has evolved . Your whole point earlier about context just renders itself now hopelessly hypocritical since you just veered out of context to try and suit yourself.
                                              Evidently, you just entirely forgot it was you (in post #44) who first mentioned the subject of evolution.

                                              The reason Darwin could use the term was because fittest animals survive over unfit ones in the here and now . Thats a fact that stands whether there is evolution or there is stasis.
                                              Darwin only ever used the term to disabuse people of such a ludicrously over-simplified interpretation of the process of natural selection. But I see it hasn't stopped you.

                                              You should at least learn the roots of a phrase before attempting to lecture on Darwin All the human species has done is survive by killing weaker/more vunerable animals which answers your failed point that somehow the Human species has shown itself to be more disastrous to the planet than other species.
                                              I have a hard time accepting that even you believe what you've just written. The human species has been the deadliest in the annals of biology. Bar none. We can still love our fellow humans, but to deny this incontrovertible fact about ourselves takes delusion to a whole new level.

                                              Could you address the silliness of making that assessment based on the sliver of 100-150 years that we have done anything significantly different from many other species in their ecosystems?

                                              Of course not. Its really quite silly so you decided to make yourself busy erroneously equating survival with evolution just as you earlier equated adaptation with survival.
                                              If you want to talk silly, the premise that the human proclivity for destruction only emerged in the last 100-150 years takes some beating. Any assessment of our species' inherent destructive tendencies needs to be made over the length of time we've occupied the planet, albeit that recent technologies multiply the effectiveness of these tendencies exponentially.

                                              But since you specifically asked to have the silliness addressed, let me oblige.

                                              The history of Homo sapiens is one of unparalleled and rapacious predation. When sapiens first colonized Australia around 45,000 years ago, they transformed the native ecosysten beyond recognition. Within a few thousand years, virtually all of the giant marsupial mammals were gone. Of the 24 Australian animal species weighing 50kg or more, 23 were wiped out. Huge numbers of smaller species also disappeared. It was the most important transformation of the Australian ecosysten for millions of years.

                                              An even greater ecological disaster befell America after the first Homo sapiens arrived around 14,000 years ago. Within 2,000 years, most of that continent's unique species were no more. It's estimated that North America lost 34 out of its 47 genera of large mammals. South America lost 50 out of 60. Thousands of species of smaller mammals, birds, reptiles and insects became extinct. The same pattern of destruction occurred whenever sapiens reached new territories, whether it was Madagascar, the Pacific Ocean islands or New Zealand.

                                              Out of all organisms, our species held the prize for driving the most plant and animal species to extinction long before the Industrial Revolution.

                                              Hey, come to think of it, maybe that's what you meant by "significant".

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                                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                                At this stage, the only thing spinning is my head
                                                I could have told you it was spinning long time ago. Should have just asked.
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                                                There's no confusion over the terms, but you might well be the only one here who doesn't understand that survival is a consequence of adaptation.
                                                sigh such density....it can be.... it need not be hence they are not synonymous. Don't attempt to drag other people into your own state of cluelessness on this . Think for once. Stasis is a common feature in the fossil record. a species can go for tens even hundreds of millions of years with next to no true evolution and still survive. That is - no adaptation or traits for adaptation but survival. We have had species survive for millions of years and then something changes in their environment and they go extinct precisely because they could not adapt. Is it possible that you finally could get the point? (I know none whatsoever). Survival often can and does exist without any possibility of ongoing adaptation.

                                                No matter how often the point flies over your head Humans will always have the great potential for adaptation because their intelligence allows them to see events before they arrive and respond and plan to deal with them. Intelligence is the adaptation that keeps giving adaptations.

                                                Lets see...anything new besides the same drivel? ah lol.... well theres this

                                                Darwin only ever used the term to disabuse people of such a ludicrously over-simplified interpretation of the process of natural selection. But I see it hasn't stopped you.
                                                Pure nonsense. come back when you have done some research. You are embarrassing yourself even by WF basement standards. In the fifth edition of the Origin of Species Darwin uses the term frequently particularly in chapter four and he does so accommodating the phrase for himself. Good night. dictionaries are not the only thing you have skipped reading. I see that you still cannot grasp that when you discuss what a species is doing to the planet it is not at that point a discussion about the evolution of that species.

                                                But since you specifically asked to have the silliness addressed, let me oblige.
                                                please its getting boring so finally make a good point? I await with bated breath

                                                The history of Homo sapiens is one of unparalleled and rapacious predation. When sapiens first colonized Australia around 45,000 years ago, they transformed the native ecosysten beyond recognition. Within a few thousand years, virtually all of the giant marsupial mammals were gone.
                                                lol.. thats really bad and I had such high hopes. So I take it with your limited understanding of evolution and the hundreds of millions of years in the history of life you think no other species has ever wiped out other species. Sheesh talk about not understanding Evolution . Meanwhile We've had swarms of locust that have "transformed the native ecosystems". Come with better stuff.

                                                Heres the reason you can make such foolish assertions regarding human specialness in regard to wiping out species and transforming ecosystems - we record history. When another species wiped out a bunch of other species outside of spotty inferences from the fossil record we have no other record.

                                                Whats so silly about the argument is that the history of life shows that when species could dominate they would and did dominate and they made no apologies for dominating to the full capacity of that ability to do said domination. We are the first species that have the potential for a restraint from exercising that full ability. Your beloved bacteria makes no apologies no matter how many millions of humans or other species it kills. Locusts do not apologize for transformng the native ecosystem and if parasites destroy their hosts then so be it. Countless stronger , bigger, faster species have caused displacement of other species. Welcome to nature. Go out to the jungle and tell the other species to play nice.

                                                This is why I said (and right fully so) we have done nothing that other species have not done. Everyone of them through the hundreds of millions of years has dominated to the fullest extent that they are capable. You are merely belly aching because it humans that are now dominating like there is a preferred outcome to Evolution.

                                                The only thing truly different is in the last 100 -150 years we have developed technologies that are capable of affecting our climate or potentially causing mass extinctions. You have no clue of who the prize goes to. You are blustering based on ignorance We have no records of how many ecosystems were changed by dinosaurs or how many other species they displaced or might have even caused to go extinct. The fossil record is nowhere near as detailed or as complete to make blustering statements as facts regarding the hundreds of millions of years of the history of life.

                                                But thanks for pointing out yet another thing significant about the human species. We are the first species to show restraint (and yes many of us if not all do) in not dominating to the full extant possible and the only one that has ever attempted on purpose to restore ecosystems we may have disrupted.

                                                Now go argue against evolution and where it leads as if you have some say. I'm tired of reading poor arguments that belie a total lack of understanding of both nature and evolution.
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                            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                            And if you seriously want to judge significance by the ability to adapt, bacteria would have humans beaten hands down.
                            Plenty of creatures have us beat, and will be around long, long after we're gone.



                            Tardigrade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                            Tardigrades can survive in extreme environments. For example, they can withstand temperatures from just above absolute zero to well above the boiling point of water (100°C), pressures about six times greater than those found in the deepest ocean trenches, ionizing radiation at doses hundreds of times higher than the lethal dose for a human, and the vacuum of outer space. They can go without food or water for more than 10 years, drying out to the point where they are 3% or less water, only to rehydrate, forage, and reproduce.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                              Plenty of creatures have us beat, and will be around long, long after we're gone......Tardigrades can survive in extreme environments........... They can go without food or water for more than 10 years, drying out to the point where they are 3% or less water, only to rehydrate, forage, and reproduce.

                              and should an astronomical event deprive them of that food and water they will be all dead within ten years whereas humans have the means to forecast such events, prepare escape if necessary and conceivable inhabit other planets. Every other life form on the planet is incapable of those options

                              again adaptation and survival though often related are not one and the same. You can have cockroaches survive for tens of millions of years more with no further adaptation but they survive simple because no event has happened that threatens their survival. Humans alone have the ability to forecast certain events and make plans to potentially survive while all other species are oblivious and/or incapable of preparing The claim that it is a given that any species will outlast humans is not a claim that holds up under scrutiny.
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                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                Humans alone have the ability to forecast certain events and make plans to potentially survive while all other species are oblivious and/or incapable of preparing The claim that it is a given that any species will outlast humans is not a claim that holds up under scrutiny.
                                You give us humans a tremendous amount of credit.

                                Considering the amount of damage we've already done to this place in the very short time we've been here, it'd be a pretty neat trick for us to get off this rock and find someplace else to live before this place becomes uninhabitable for us.

                                The cockroaches and tardigrades however will be happily hanging around waiting for the sun to go out. And by then, who knows, they'll probably figure out a way to still stick around.
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                                  Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                                  You give us humans a tremendous amount of credit.

                                  Considering the amount of damage we've already done to this place in the very short time we've been here, it'd be a pretty neat trick for us to get off this rock and find someplace to live before we make this place uninhabitable for us.

                                  The cockroaches and tardigrades however will be happily hanging around waiting for the sun to go out. And by then, who knows, they'll probably figure out a way to still stick around.
                                  oh boy yet another one who marginalizes all the GOOD in this world - a lot more good is done on a daily basis - put down your garbage newspapers, turn off the news, and go outside -

                                  and then...

                                  see the wonderful gardens people plant to beautify the world, see the mothers showering their children with love, see the birds singing as they build their nests, see the squirrels playfully chasing each other up and down the trees, see the leaves rustling in the soft breezes, see the business man giving money to the homeless guy over there, see the young dude opening the door for that old lady over there, see the young lady walking the other old lady across the street

                                  - lots of good things - simple things that may seem insignificant, but really add up to a lot of good!

                                  doesn't this good stuff happen daily in America - or is Canada that much different? I don't think so. I think if people really opened up their eyes, they would see the good, if they choose to. We all have choices. We can choose to see the darkness and all the bad stuff and feel despair - or we can choose to see the light and all the good stuff and feel joy.

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                                    Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                                    doesn't this good stuff happen daily in America - or is Canada that much different? I don't think so. I think if people really opened up their eyes, they would see the good, if they choose to. We all have choices. We can choose to see the darkness and all the bad stuff and feel despair - or we can choose to see the light and all the good stuff and feel joy.

                                    Karen,
                                    I hate to break it to you but there are people out there ( as exhibited first hand in this Thread) who really 'get off' on being miserable. And 'get off' by seeing only the negative events happening in the World.

                                    Are you kidding me , these people do not want to see the good stuff that happens every second of the day in this World. Its not exciting enough for them LOL

                                    They want to focus on all the crap as it gives them a feeling of self satisfaction knowing that they are NOT the only ones feeling miserable about themselves and the World we live in




                                    P.S. I am not a betting man. But Karen, I would wager to guess that you probably grew up in a Loving environment and up to this day you continue to surround yourself with positive, good people.

                                    It really shows.
                                    Its sad but I suspect some of the old curmudgeons who have clearly made themselves known in this Thread here probably have NOT been around good, positive people their whole lives

                                    I sincerely pity them
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                                      Karen,
                                      I hate to break it to you but there are people out there ( as exhibited first hand in this Thread) who really 'get off' on being miserable. And 'get off' by seeing only the negative events happening in the World.

                                      Are you kidding me , these people do not want to see the good stuff that happens every second of the day in this World. Its not exciting enough for them LOL
                                      Robert, I don't know if you're including me in the curmudgeon camp (forgive me if you're not), but I have a real zest for life. In fact, I believe an objective view of humanity helps keep me sane and happy - the exact opposite of miserable.

                                      When you look at life through a "big picture" lens, you realize that all our worries are largely futile.

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                                        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                                        Robert, I don't know if you're including me in the curmudgeon camp (forgive me if you're not), but I have a real zest for life. In fact, I believe an objective view of humanity helps keep me sane and happy - the exact opposite of miserable.

                                        When you look at life through a "big picture" lens, you realize that all our worries are largely futile.

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                                        No Frank you were definitely not. You have never seemed like a curmudgeon at all
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                                    Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                                    oh boy yet another one who marginalizes all the GOOD in this world
                                    "Yet another one"?

                                    What a negative, judgmental view of someone you know absolutely nothing about...
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                                  Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                                  You give us humans a tremendous amount of credit.
                                  I don't give humans credit. I give intelligence credit wherever its found. The more the better.

                                  Considering the amount of damage we've already done to this place in the very short time we've been here
                                  Yawn.....same old rhetoric...meanwhile I have yet to see humans hurl an asteroid at the planet and wipe out several species in the blink of the eye. Will you still be able to make the claim if we one day (As is being contemplated) find a way to divert such events from impacting life on this planet? You cant seriously determine how useful a species is to a planet based on a hundred years. Its a drop down dead weak argument.


                                  The cockroaches and tardigrades however will be happily hanging around waiting for the sun to go out. And by then, who knows, they'll probably figure out a way to still stick around.
                                  Keep daydreaming as the basis of your fact. the fossil record is replete with species that lasted tens even hundreds of millions of years and expired and the Earth can be destroyed by multiple object hits before the sun fades. Anyone claiming to know what will happen a thousand years from now much less knowing what species millions of years from now will survive is just confusing imagination with reality.

                                  Anyway have a great day and remember - if you have determined that your species is the problem for the planet and hopefully will become extinct for it's betterment you can always show us the way and step off the planet.

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                                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                    Anyone claiming to know what will happen a thousand years from now much less knowing what species millions of years from now will survive is just confusing imagination with reality.
                                    Couldn't agree more.

                                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                    if you have determined that your species is the problem for the planet and hopefully will become extinct for it's betterment you can always show us the way and step off the planet.
                                    Our species is in no way a problem for the planet. Our species is only a problem to our species.

                                    Whatever damage we do is to ourselves. The planet (and much of the other life on it) will go on just fine without us.

                                    I hope and would like to believe we're intelligent enough to dodge whatever may try to wipe us out in the future. I agree, we have the potential.

                                    We also have the potential to do a lot of damage very quickly.

                                    Whether we continue to evolve and thrive - or devolve and go back to living in caves fighting over the few remaining resources left on this planet, if I had to bet, I'm not sure where I'd place my money.

                                    If I had to bet that cockroaches will outlive us, yup, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.
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              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

              the truth of the matter is that there are many more good people in this world than bad - I believe that without any doubts whatsoever.
              You believe a great deal of insane crap, but you certainly are entitled to your misguided opinion. To not have any doubt about your opinion proves that it is based on your personal fantasy and has nothing to do with the real world. :-)

              Cheers. - Frank

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                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  I think a better plan would be to feed humans to the dogs - and thus reduce the population.
                  Not a bad idea, Kay. It takes money to support hundreds and thousands of rescued dogs........and that's what the number are for just the last month or so. SOI Dog rescue team rescued about 2000 being shipped about 6 weeks ago. They rescued some pups - one who the guy was just grabbing to kill. Little guy is the freaking luckiest dog on the planet right now.

                  Now hundreds in China - and it's a second major rescue over there recently, too. It takes a lot of money for medical and food for those traumatized, abused little guys. The abusers being fed to the dogs would be some justice for those poor hurting lives - then the estates should be confiscated for medical and board for the dogs.
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                    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                    Not a bad idea, Kay. It takes money to support hundreds and thousands of rescued dogs........and that's what the number are for just the last month or so. SOI Dog rescue team rescued about 2000 being shipped about 6 weeks ago. They rescued some pups - one who the guy was just grabbing to kill. Little guy is the freaking luckiest dog on the planet right now.

                    Now hundreds in China - and it's a second major rescue over there recently, too. It takes a lot of money for medical and food for those traumatized, abused little guys. The abusers being fed to the dogs would be some justice for those poor hurting lives - then the estates should be confiscated for medical and board for the dogs.
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                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                You believe a great deal of insane crap, but you certainly are entitled to your misguided opinion. To not have any doubt about your opinion proves that it is based on your personal fantasy and has nothing to do with the real world. :-)

                Cheers. - Frank

                P.S. Let me know how that karma thingy works out for you.
                Misguided - nope - just not a cynic - and no I don't live in a fantasy world - I just look for the good and I find it - everywhere

                Sal, yes, there is not enough being done and it seems most people are apathetic - but look how people band together in a crisis - they help each other - but many people have enough on their plate just making a living and caring for their own family and friends never mind other issues.

                My friends, there are almost a million people who are members in this forum - I bet that 99% are good people, all looking to improve their lot in life. Are there some scammers and spammers? - sure there are - but only a small percentage - the rest are normal people all trying to make money online. Good people trying to make their lives better.

                Don't call me misguided because I love people - and I believe that goodness always prevails - just call me happy.
                And nothing anyone says on this board will make me feel any differently.

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                • Profile picture of the author discrat
                  Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                  Misguided - nope - just not a cynic - and no I don't live in a fantasy world - I just look for the good and I find it - everywhere

                  My friends, there are almost a million people who are members in this forum - I bet that 99% are good people, all looking to improve their lot in life. Are there some scammers and spammers? - sure there are - but only a small percentage - the rest are normal people all trying to make money online. Good people trying to make their lives better.

                  Don't call me misguided because I love people - and I believe that goodness always prevails - just call me happy.
                  And nothing anyone says on this board will make me feel any differently.

                  Peace...
                  Karen, do not fret you are far from misguided !

                  Like you say its who you surround yourselves in this Life with . My family, friends,neighbors past co-workers ( for the most part) have been exemplary human beings.

                  The only people that I see who do really bad things are the ones that are in the public eye (think Kylie Jenner, Boston Bomber) or the no namers who get their 15 minutes of fame by doing horrible things on Social media/cell phone videos.

                  The fact of the matter is most human beings are good. I see it around me. And it is not the exception !
                  It is just plain fact.Not my opinion !I I repeat that is NOT an opinion. Most people are good.

                  I can say for certain 9 out of 10 people I have met in this Forum are decent human beings.

                  If you think otherwise then you must be a very, very self loathing son of a b@tch. Someone who cannot stand their own selves and consequently thinks everyone else must be disgusting human beings like they are;
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                  Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                  rDon't call me misguided because I love people - and I believe that goodness always prevails - just call me happy.
                  As they say - "Ignorance is bliss."

                  Cheers. - Frank
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                  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                    As they say - "Ignorance is bliss."

                    Cheers. - Frank
                    yep, I'm happy because there are a lot of good things happening all around me that have nothing to do with ignorance - but have everything to do with positivity, change, and love.

                    ♫♫we live in a beautiful world...♫♫
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                    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                      Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                      yep, I'm happy because there are a lot of good things happening all around me that have nothing to do with ignorance - but have everything to do with positivity, change, and love.
                      Fantasy Land. lol

                      Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                        Fantasy Land. lol

                        Cheers. - Frank
                        Not Fantasy Land, Frank.

                        I really hate to burst your stinkin' bubble, but it all comes from one's perspective, one's focus. For instance, I present you with my all time most favorite song...


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                        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                          Not Fantasy Land, Frank.

                          I really hate to burst your stinkin' bubble, but it all comes from one's perspective, one's focus. For instance, I present you with my all time most favorite song...
                          Terra
                          I'm very surprised by your comment, Terra. I would have thought by now that you would have come to the full realization that in my world, the only thing that matters is my perspective, my focus and lastly, my opinion.

                          I am me - not you. I love being me. I don't think I could be happy being you.

                          These are my thoughts and beliefs. I ask no one to share them and I never state them as if anyone should regardless of how declarative they seem. I can't say that for others. They act as if their beliefs are for everyone to embrace. I recognize that my beliefs are strictly mine and I ask no one else to embrace them, unless of course they are able to grasp the profound sensibility that most of my thoughts are based on. Additionally, I have the right to regard the beliefs of anyone else as I see fit. They're entitled to them and I'm entitled to perceive them, any way that I choose. That's called freedom of thought and expression and believe it or not, great civilizations have been born and nurtured through that concept.

                          You really need to gain greater insight in to the inner-workings of the narcissistic mind. You'll save yourself a lot of typing as you will soon realize one thing. We just don't care what anyone thinks. It's all about me. :-)

                          Cheers. - Frank
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                          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            I'm very surprised by your comment, Terra. I would have thought by now that you would have come to the full realization that in my world, the only thing that matters is my perspective, my focus and lastly, my opinion.

                            I am me - not you. I love being me. I don't think I could be happy being you.

                            These are my thoughts and beliefs. I ask no one to share them and I never state them as if anyone should regardless of how declarative they seem. I can't say that for others. They act as if their beliefs are for everyone to embrace. I recognize that my beliefs are strictly mine and I ask no one else to embrace them, unless of course they are able to grasp the profound sensibility that most of my thoughts are based on. Additionally, I have the right to regard the beliefs of anyone else as I see fit. They're entitled to them and I'm entitled to perceive them, any way that I choose. That's called freedom of thought and expression and believe it or not, great civilizations have been born and nurtured through that concept.

                            You really need to gain greater insight in to the inner-workings of the narcissistic mind. You'll save yourself a lot of typing as you will soon realize one thing. We just don't care what anyone thinks. It's all about me. :-)

                            Cheers. - Frank
                            I'm just full of surprises, aren't I.

                            Because I'm your friend, let me do you a favor and show you how you could have saved yourself some typing.





                            You're welcome! That's what friends are for.

                            And who knew we had so much in common?



                            in my world too!


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                              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                              I'm just full of surprises, aren't I. Terra
                              I am not the least bit surprised that ultimately you would see it precisely as I do.

                              Now, if I could just find a way to do something about the slow-learners, I'd have this world ship-shape in no time at all.

                              Cheers. - Frank
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                                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                                I am not the least bit surprised that ultimately you would see it precisely as I do.

                                Now, if I could just find a way to do something about the slow-learners, I'd have this world ship-shape in no time at all.

                                Cheers. - Frank
                                Haha!

                                See why I adore you?

                                You make me laugh...a lot.


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                                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                  You make me laugh...a lot. Terra
                                  Ultimately, that is my only goal. It's a shame more folks don't see that. lol

                                  Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                        Fantasy Land. lol

                        Cheers. - Frank
                        are you jealous?
                        cause it sounds like my fantasy land is a lot more fun than your "humanoids suck" world

                        I almost feel sorry for you.
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                          Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                          I almost feel sorry for you.
                          And I actually do feel sorry for you. See how much nicer I am than you are? :-

                          Cheers. - Frank)
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                          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            And I actually do feel sorry for you. See how much nicer I am than you are? :-

                            Cheers. - Frank)
                            right - you have a warped sense of humor, Frank.
                            anyway, it looks you accomplished what you set out to do in this thread - congrats!
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                              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                              right - you have a warped sense of humor, Frank.
                              That's very true, Karen. Part of my charm.
                              anyway, it looks you accomplished what you set out to do in this thread - congrats!
                              I am a man of action and generally achieve my goals. :-)

                              Cheers. - Frank
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            • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

              the media would have us think that there are many more bad people than good - because that is what they are paid to write about -

              the truth of the matter is that there are many more good people in this world than bad - I believe that without any doubts whatsoever.

              so I disagree strongly with your blanket heading that humanoids suck - and I personally like to focus on the good people and screw the bad ones - karma will take care of those ones eventually anyway.
              I hear you Karen but I'm not so sure the media is trying to get us to believe that there are many more bad people than good.

              If there is a blanket statement that humans suck, I'll also have to disagree. And I agree that there are many more good, decent people than bad, evil ones but I'm not so sure the bad ones will get theirs'.


              Often times whole societies are coerced, peer-pressured, and scared into the most ugly and inhuman of behaviors.

              What happened in Germany in the 1930s etc. is a good case study of what can happen.

              As soon as the Nazis gained enough power they moved to eliminate all opposition to their evil plans and dragged the German people along with them.
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              • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                I hear you Karen but I'm not so sure the media is trying to get us to believe that there are many more bad people than good.

                If there is a blanket statement that humans suck, I'll also have to disagree. And I agree that there are many more good, decent people than bad, evil ones but I'm not so sure the bad ones will get theirs'.


                Often times whole societies are coerced, peer-pressured, and scared into the most ugly and inhuman of behaviors.

                What happened in Germany in the 1930s etc. is a good case study of what can happen.

                As soon as the Nazis gained enough power they moved to eliminate all opposition to their evil plans and dragged the German people along with them.
                And that's where I say -- are people really good when they just sit and let things happen? I don't call that "good". IF there are so many "good" - they could band together and get shit done about this stuff. Apathy is not evil, but it's in no way "good" either. Apathy allows evil to breed and take over, so it's the next thing to being "bad" yourself. "Good" takes action against "bad". It's not the state of limbo or avoidance that apathy is. It's active - just as "bad" is active.
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                • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
                  Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                  And that's where I say -- are people really good when they just sit and let things happen? I don't call that "good". IF there are so many "good" - they could band together and get shit done about this stuff. Apathy is not evil, but it's in no way "good" either. Apathy allows evil to breed and take over, so it's the next thing to being "bad" yourself. "Good" takes action against "bad". It's not the state of limbo or avoidance that apathy is. It's active - just as "bad" is active.
                  Sure thing.

                  I'd love to see you on your soapbox either just before the Nazis gained power or after they gained power.

                  Unless you had a armed force to protect you, you were going to get got and you would have known it and thus I doubt you'd be so brave.
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                  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                    Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

                    Sure thing.

                    I'd love to see you on your soapbox either just before the Nazis gained power or after they gained power.

                    Unless you had a armed force to protect you, you were going to get got and you would have known it and thus I doubt you'd be so brave.
                    That isn't an incident that you stand on a soapbox by yourself. You work with other citizens under the radar until you have enough people together to stop it. That's what I meant - you have to get people off their butts to do it. Because most aren't actively good, it's hard to get done -- they did in in Egypt, though. It can be done - just takes the efforts of enough people to do it.
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                • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                  I am not a humanoid, but a kindhearted human.

                  A humanoid is something that has an appearance resembling a human being but is not. Just so we're clear on this matter...

                  That being said, yea, I would classify those inhumane humans as humanoids too.


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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

              the media would have us think that there are many more bad people than good - because that is what they are paid to write about -

              the truth of the matter is that there are many more good people in this world than bad - I believe that without any doubts whatsoever.

              so I disagree strongly with your blanket heading that humanoids suck - and I personally like to focus on the good people and screw the bad ones - karma will take care of those ones eventually anyway.
              Thank you Karen. I 100% agree.
              Cynics are abound in this sh@thole we live in


              Iam only going to talk about this, one time and one time only. As I know many of the anti-church and anti-religous people will have a fit here.

              Believe it or not there are decent people out there who belong to Churches. No not the Jerry Falwell type of Churches or the Southern Baptist Brimstone and hellfire Churches.

              Iam talking about Churches like mine that make NO judgement of you whatsoever. And you do not even have to be
              A Christian. Same sex marriage couples totally welcomed and encouraged, Hell, most of us drink and even curse so its really open.

              Here is the thing. We have a Pantry in San Antonio that feeds many destitute people week in and week out. Its been going on for 40 years. Anyone can walk up to our Church ANYTIME, and I mean ANYTIME and our coffers are open to give you money for food or gas or anything.

              No questions asked !!
              And 100s of people a week come to us for this


              Every Spring we build habitat for humanity houses for family's who otherwise could not get a house. And its on our own bill.

              We do Meals on wheels throughout San Antonio also to help the elderly and disadvantaged.

              We have Missionaries who do NOT proselytize across the World and in the US. Rather these people (and I have done it myself ) go and help rebuild whole towns decimated by Earthquake and flood.

              My point is many of you cynics( pardon the use of words) in here have a warped sense of reality. You watch your CNN and Fox and only see what sells...i.e. The bad sh@t, the crap that bad people do. These stories sell newspapers and news covers.

              But if you got out and actually opened up your eyes you would see that ( as Karen said) there are AMAZING and I mean AMAZING people who are doing extraordinary things in this World.

              And I see it first hand so you cannot tell me otherwise

              I know a lot of you cynics in here get off on belittling people of Faith or belonging to any Religious Organizations.

              But I really think you would be surprised at what some of these Organizations to do to help others.with ABSOLUTELY NO strings attached
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The day they tell us it's legal to shoot an animal/human abuser on the spot is the day you can label me a murderer.
      I am first in line to enlist in your army.

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      There's a lot of rescue groups forming now to stop the illegal dog meat industry. Considering what they do to those animals, they shouldn't be "stopped". They should be shot on sight.
      Eating Dog is not my thing.

      But as far as China I have no problem if they eat what they kill and they do it in a painless and humane way.

      That is their culture and they have every right to eat dogs if that is their thing.

      Actually a number of cultures view the consumption of dog meat to be a part of their cuisine! And it has been that way for thousands of years.

      Of course us Americans try to stick our noses in everyone's business and tell others what they morally should be doing. Thats bullsh!t !!

      Btw, Many people in India feel the same way about our Cows in US. I say they can take a hike because Iam going to have my Porterhouse come hell or high water

      Iam sure the Chinese feel the same way about their dogs.

      Nothing is going to change over a thousand years of tradition and cuisine in these Eastern Cultures

      And it shouldn't !!!

      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      And that's where I say -- are people really good when they just sit and let things happen? I don't call that "good". IF there are so many "good" - they could band together and get shit done about this stuff. Apathy is not evil, but it's in no way "good" either. Apathy allows evil to breed and take over, so it's the next thing to being "bad" yourself. "Good" takes action against "bad". It's not the state of limbo or avoidance that apathy is. It's active - just as "bad" is active.
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Well the problem with good people is that most of them sit around with their thumbs up their asses instead of taking action against this type of thing. How many times has each of you "good people" seen a case of abuse and not responded - just turned away like it's none of your business? Got news -- that's NOT a good person even though it is the average person.
      Here is a thought...

      Instead of people wasting valuable resources and manpower to save a bunch of dogs over in a Communist country like China why don't they take that same passion and money and form more groups to confront the sex slave industry we have going on right here in the US. Where 12 year old girls are being raped and sodomized.

      Oh yeah I forgot I guess these girls are just not innocent enough for the OT residents here to
      be concerned about.

      I guarantee if these girls were little beagle puppies being sodomized via bestiality there would be hell and firestorm here in the OT

      To me that is apathy that is truly evil

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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Eating Dog is not my thing.

        But as far as China I have no problem if they eat what they kill and they do it in a painless and humane way.

        That is their culture and they have every right to eat dogs if that is their thing.

        Many people in India feel the same way about our Cows in US. I say they can take a hike because Iam going to have my Porterhouse come hell or high water

        Iam sure the Chinese feel the same way about their dogs
        Personally I could care less about dogs.

        You're right, different parts of the world eat different things, even If we think it's gross.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Personally I could care less about dogs.
          'Personally' - I think it's wonderful when you can learn everything you need to know about a person through seven little words.

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            'Personally' - I think it's wonderful when you can learn everything you need to know about a person through seven little words.

            Cheers. - Frank
            And what did you learn Frank? That he doesn't like dogs? Newsflash - MANY people don't and yet they're still good people.

            It's good to have passion about the horrendous treatment of animals and want to stop it. But not liking or caring about dogs is a far cry from cruelty.

            Judgement is a funny thing - it travels in many directions. I mean, I don't like Apple computers - but I think YOU'RE ok.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

              And what did you learn Frank? That he doesn't like dogs? Newsflash - MANY people don't and yet they're still good people.
              I think there is a large difference between 'not liking dogs' and 'couldn't care less about dogs." I take words when spoken, or written at face value.
              It's good to have passion about the horrendous treatment of animals and want to stop it. But not liking or caring about dogs is a far cry from cruelty.
              Agreed, but I never mentioned anything about cruelty in that post.
              Judgement is a funny thing - it travels in many directions. I mean, I don't like Apple computers - but I think YOU'RE ok.
              Cute - equating an inanimate object to a defenseless living creature, but it's early in the day. I'll just let that one go right by. :-)

              Cheers. - Frank
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                I think there is a large difference between 'not liking dogs' and 'couldn't care less about dogs."
                Large difference? Ok. But pointless in this conversation...


                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                I take words when spoken, or written at face value.
                Actually, I have seen you time and again assign your OWN value to words written by others here in this forum. But I digress...

                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Agreed, but I never mentioned anything about cruelty in that post.
                Well, it's not difficult to see you meant "not a swell guy".

                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                Cute - equating an inanimate object to a defenseless living creature, but it's early in the day.
                And speaking of assigning your own value...

                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                I'll just let that one go right by. :-)

                Cheers. - Frank
                Well, kind of you to "let it go by"... but not necessary. Because I "couldn't care less" if you did... LOL

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                  Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                  Well, kind of you to "let it go by"... but not necessary. Because I "couldn't care less" if you did... LOL

                  Mike
                  Well, that certainly was a whole boatload of nothing. lol

                  Cheers. - Frank
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                    Well, that certainly was a whole boatload of nothing. lol

                    Cheers. - Frank
                    That's what I like so much about this place. Nice distraction when I need a break from other - more important - things.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                I think there is a large difference between 'not liking dogs' and 'couldn't care less about dogs." I take words when spoken, or written at face value.
                Cheers. - Frank
                Not really ! A lot of people could care less about dogs just like a certain amount of people could care less about other human beings.

                Sorry there is nothing wrong with that.That is a person's priority and Iam sure they could give a rats ass what you think.

                Now Being abusive to animals is wrong. But just because you do not care about them does not equate with an action of abuse

                Honestly, there is 24 hours in a day and I would rather concentrate my time on worthwhile endeavors and that doesn't include worrying about a bunch of insignificant Mastiffs in China

                Enough with this silly and ridicolous diatribe about humanoids this and humanoids that. People need to get a Life and get their heads out of their asses and start worrying about other more important matters in this World.

                And sorry but I will be as apathetic as I want and there is not a damn thing anyone can do about it

                Now please pass the Doberman as Iam building up an appetite after this silly thread
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                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                  People need to get a Life and get their heads out of their asses and start worrying about other more important matters in this World.
                  And of course the entire world will be so much better off once you let us know which things we should spend our time on and which to ignore.

                  I'm sure that I speak for us all when I thank you in advance for your blessed enlightenment. :-)

                  Cheers. - Frank
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            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            'Personally' - I think it's wonderful when you can learn everything you need to know about a person through seven little words.

            Cheers. - Frank
            Oh, no!

            Please don't condemn me for not caring about precious dogs.

            [snore]
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Yeah, I was musing at one point that there were so relatively few apes around. Of course, the most prominent species on the planet is an ape, but most don't recognize themselves as such! On one comic strip, I believe it was calvin and hobbes, they mused that humanity was a DISEASE of the planet!

    It is a shame! Gorillas, probably the most humanoid like of other apes, are bigger, and apparently can be pretty gentle. I don't think they plan attacks as groups. Chimpanzees, considered to actually be the closest cousins, actually HAVE been caught planning attacks as groups! Chimps are deceptive in almost every sense of the word. I don't know about orangutans in this regard, but they ALSO seem to be relatively peaceful.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    BTW Soylent green speaks a LOT about things thatare happening NOW! To those that may NEVER take such a recommendation from me, apparently it talks about global warming ALSO! I haven't seen it, but read a synopsis from Wikipedia.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    This thread If it was a dog...


    Lmao, he lays it down at 0:25.







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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      This thread If it was a dog...


      Lmao, he lays it down at 0:25.

      FunnyFuse Faves: Dog on Leash Runs Around And Around in Circles! - YouTube
      Hey Yuke,
      I dont know if you realize this or not ( maybe you do ) but you are about to incur the Wrath of the Peta OTers here shortly
      Not doubt they would not hesitate to put a cap between the eyes of the Producer of this video !!

      Hell, they may even want to do the same to you just for posting it lol
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Hey Yuke,
        I dont know if you realize this or not ( maybe you do ) but you are about to incur the Wrath of the Peta OTers here shortly
        Not doubt they would not hesitate to put a cap between the eyes of the Producer of this video !!

        Hell, they may even want to do the same to you just for posting it lol
        I bet they get tired before Youtube runs out of videos.
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    y do u think like that well whether humonoid exists or u r talking about robot.
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