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4 Cancer Charities charged by government as SCAMS - all are run by same extended family

by icoachu
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I just hope news stories like these don't discourage people from supporting cancer research, cancer assistance, and helping victims in general.

Government says four cancer charities are shams - CNN.com

Over $180 million alleged to have been FLEECED.
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    What's worse is that I saw an investigative report on this (60 minutes or Dateline or one of those shows) at least 2 years ago....same people, same charities.

    Sad it took so LONG to shut them down.
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    • Profile picture of the author icoachu
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      What's worse is that I saw an investigative report on this (60 minutes or Dateline or one of those shows) at least 2 years ago....same people, same charities.

      Sad it took so LONG to shut them down.
      CNN did several stories on them.

      I guess the FTC wanted an air tight case.

      Hence,the long investigation period.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        And conventional Cancer charities are used to find a gene based cure, which will cost $100,000 to $1.3,000,000 a year to buy!

        Not to mention 13% of it being used to suppress unconventional but very effective cures that cannot be patented!

        And you don't have to rob a bank to buy it!

        Sounds fair enough!

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        • Profile picture of the author butters
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          And conventional Cancer charities are used to find a gene based cure, which will cost $100,000 to $1.3,000,000 a year to buy!

          Not to mention 13% of it being used to suppress unconventional but very effective cures that cannot be patented!

          And you don't have to rob a bank to buy it!

          Sounds fair enough!
          What a load of shit that is... While I'll take Big Franks constant advice to me to not get involved, don't be little the work of "good" charities as pointless and counter productive. You have pulled figures out your ass...
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by butters View Post

            What a load of shit that is... While I'll take Big Franks constant advice to me to not get involved, don't be little the work of "good" charities as pointless and counter productive. You have pulled figures out your ass...
            Yes, you have a point it might be $10,000 to 1,3,000,000 per year?

            I am not saying that Cancer charity work is bad, (well most of it) but it being purely gene based, and high priced is!

            Go look it up if you don't believe me, the most expensive Cancer treatment in Australia is 1.3 million a year!

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            • Profile picture of the author butters
              Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

              Yes, you have a point it might be $10,000 to 1,3,000,000 per year?

              I am not saying that Cancer charity work is bad, (well most of it) but it being purely gene based, and high priced is!

              Go look it up if you don't believe me, the most expensive Cancer treatment in Australia is 1.3 million a year!
              Yes and in the UK some are free, you will find extremes on each end of the spectrum if you look for them im sure...

              It's gene based because cancer is a mutation in genes? It's not like a plant is going to perform some form of complete gene silencing or knockdown, there may be a down regulation to an extent but not a complete silencing. You also talk like the price of gene treatments arent rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper to. Cancer can only ever be solved at a genetic level, hence the research into genes.
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by butters View Post

                Yes and in the UK some are free, you will find extremes on each end of the spectrum if you look for them im sure...

                It's gene based because cancer is a mutation in genes? It's not like a plant is going to perform some form of complete gene silencing or knockdown, there may be a down regulation to an extent but not a complete silencing. You also talk like the price of gene treatments arent rapidly becoming cheaper and cheaper to. Cancer can only ever be solved at a genetic level, hence the research into genes.
                Some are free,.... you must be talking about trials or subsidies? I have never heard of free?

                Genetic level, LOL, so natural herbs and food groups do nothing?

                I have never heard of becoming cheaper either, unless you are talking about, making radiotherapy or other drugs more targeted, and so the dosage, etc can be lowered?

                New better drugs are coming out all the time, usually with a $5000 a month price tag.

                People are obviously going to buy the latest if it is more effective!

                Gene based is the only way?

                Funny the parallels with this subject and power generation! Power generation same thing, money is poured into research that cannot be replicated by someone in their backyard or kitchen?

                There are other cures!


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                • Profile picture of the author butters
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  Some are free,.... you must be talking about trials or subsidies? I have never heard of free?

                  Genetic level, LOL, so natural herbs and food groups do nothing?

                  I have never heard of becoming cheaper either, unless you are talking about, making radiotherapy or other drugs more targeted, and so the dosage, etc can be lowered?

                  New better drugs are coming out all the time, usually with a $5000 a month price tag.

                  People are obviously going to buy the latest if it is more effective!

                  Gene based is the only way?

                  Funny the parallels with this subject and power generation! Power generation same thing, money is poured into research that cannot be replicated by someone in their backyard or kitchen?

                  There are other cures!
                  No, the NHS offers some treatments free based on where they are situated in the country etc... Postcode lottery was termed from this. Meaning, specific treatments are only available in specific areas for free because its all to do with local budgets etc...

                  Honestly, food and natural herbs do SOME stuff to SOME cancers but very little to others. Will food and natural herbs cure any cancer, of course not... All natural remedies known of have been tested and effective ones have been approved by the FDA etc... Are their undiscovered ones, sure, not disputing that, some lack evidence etc. Just look at the influx of traditional Chinese medicines over the last 10 years which have been approved for medical use so it isn't like healthcare providers are hiding them.

                  Ultimately, no matter what way you look at it, gene is the only way. If you do not silence the genes which cause the cancer, then you will not stop the cancer from proliferating and migrating.

                  Dunno about you but I don't see everyone understanding things like the WnT pathway and P53 mutagenic effect on that pathway... Not really funny but the complexity of the subject and the sheer scope of possible consequential causes makes it impossible to replicate in your kitchen... Let alone the everyday man understanding it.

                  Also, the field of genetics is becoming vastly cheaper with every decade which goes by, just look at the price of sequencing a genome and how far that has gone down in price.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    These charities are considered scams, but real charities keep between 80-90% (Depending on the state laws) as a fee. These aren't the direct charities like American Cancer Society...I mean the companies that set up to collect money to donate to The American Cancer Society.

                    Many people calling you asking for money, are these kind of fund raising companies. And the Do Not Call Registry doesn't apply to them.

                    Next to my store, there used to be a telemarketing firm with 50 telemarketers. They asked for contributions for a cure for cancer. It was a perfectly legitimate company. I talked to the owner. They kept 80% as a fee. The law was 90% that they could keep.

                    One way to keep more is to send solicitation letters, add a small paragraph of information on cancer, and claim the cost of mailing as sending cancer information.

                    I know these practices sound terrible to most people, but that's how fund raising companies work.
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                    • Profile picture of the author icoachu
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      These charities are considered scams, but real charities keep between 80-90% (Depending on the state laws) as a fee. These aren't the direct charities like American Cancer Society...I mean the companies that set up to collect money to donate to The American Cancer Society.

                      Many people calling you asking for money, are these kind of fund raising companies. And the Do Not Call Registry doesn't apply to them.

                      Next to my store, there used to be a telemarketing firm with 50 telemarketers. They asked for contributions for a cure for cancer. It was a perfectly legitimate company. I talked to the owner. They kept 80% as a fee. The law was 90% that they could keep.

                      One way to keep more is to send solicitation letters, add a small paragraph of information on cancer, and claim the cost of mailing as sending cancer information.

                      I know these practices sound terrible to most people, but that's how fund raising companies work.
                      80 to 90% as a fee? Wow! The laws need to be changed then.
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