18 Year old gets life

9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

We all did stupid things when we were teenagers. Some of us did little stupid things others did things that are evil.

Now this boy killed a man for fun when he was 16 and got life in prison without parole possibilities. Oklahoma teen gets life in prison for killing of Australian

My first reaction was GOOD.

But then I think again... that means that the next 60-80 years he will be there, with no chance to get out at all. For something he did when he was 16 years old.

It confuses me. I hate what he did, it is awful and he should be punished for what he did.
But he is also a young human being that did a terrible thing when he was 16. Should he not have a second chance in life?

The victim will never have a second chance, so why should he...

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Allow me to clear up the confusion:

The world is a better place with this worthless crap out of society and in a cage where the animal belongs.

Hope that helps.

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agc

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cam Connor

Allow me to clear up the confusion:

The world is a better place with this worthless crap out of society and in a cage where the animal belongs.

Hope that helps.

IF the above is in fact true, THEN the world would be an even better place if we redirect the resources being used to house the cretin for 60 years a better purpose. Therefore, in theory, executing him would be prudent.

Unfortunately, in practice, the only things worse than our criminal justice system are a) the criminal justice system elsewhere, b) the criminals themselves, and c) people who think they know exactly what to do about it.

Due to the horrid reality of human nature and politics, there simply are no good answers to this particular problem.

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

IF the above is in fact true, THEN the world would be an even better place if we redirect the resources being used to house the cretin for 60 years a better purpose. Therefore, in theory, executing him would be prudent.

Unfortunately, in practice, the only things worse than our criminal justice system are a) the criminal justice system elsewhere, b) the criminals themselves, and c) people who think they know exactly what to do about it.

Due to the horrid reality of human nature and politics, there simply are no good answers to this particular problem.

YEP! AND, IRONICALLY, THAT is the reason that they often say we should incarcerate them FOREVER! If we knew for a fact that THAT person did this for fun, I don't care if it is a 5yo handicapped kid that has lived 200 years in poverty as the elephant man living on the streets of Haiti in the worst part of the US and discovered the cure for cancer. The person should get the guillotine!

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

YEP! AND, IRONICALLY, THAT is the reason that they often say we should incarcerate them FOREVER! If we knew for a fact that THAT person did this for fun, I don't care if it is a 5yo handicapped kid that has lived 200 years in poverty as the elephant man living on the streets of Haiti in the worst part of the US and discovered the cure for cancer. The person should get the guillotine!

Steve

I find it difficult to argue with that statement.

A 5 year old kid...living for 200 years......as the elephant man.....on the streets of Haiti...in the US.........

Got it.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

I find it difficult to argue with that statement.

A 5 year old kid...living for 200 years......as the elephant man.....on the streets of Haiti...in the US.........

Got it.

Perfectly explainable, he was born in a 40x leap year and has the elephant man disease and lives outside a KFC in the Haiti district of Wooster. You know, where you do your grass skirt parades. His method of curing cancer was seen as a bit radical as it involved murdering patients in cold blood, thus ending their suffering.

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Cali16

9 years ago

You said the young man "killed a man for fun"; I read the article twice and didn't get that from it. It did say he was planning to kill someone, but that isn't necessarily the same thing.

It's impossible for me to say whether I think the sentence is justified or not without knowing a lot more details about the story.

That being said, if he did "do it for fun" or just wanted to kill someone to see what it felt like - both of which are strong indicators of sociopathy or psychopathy, in which case he isn't going to change down the road - then I lean towards supporting the sentence of life without parole. But again, just not enough information to go on from this article.

The story is tragic, and my heart goes out to both families, but especially to the family of the young man whose life was cut short so senselessly.

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allegandro

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

You said the young man "killed a man for fun"; I read the article twice and didn't get that from it. It did say he was planning to kill someone, but that isn't necessarily the same thing.

It's impossible for me to say whether I think the sentence is justified or not without knowing a lot more details about the story.

That being said, if he did "do it for fun" or just wanted to kill someone to see what it felt like - both of which are strong indicators of sociopathy or psychopathy, in which case he isn't going to change down the road - then I lean towards supporting the sentence of life without parole. But again, just not enough information to go on from this article.

The story is tragic, and my heart goes out to both families, but especially to the family of the young man whose life was cut short so senselessly.

That part about "for fun" I did read some weeks ago in another article. He wanted to know how it did feel to kill a person.

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butters 9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

That part about "for fun" I did read some weeks ago in another article. He wanted to know how it did feel to kill a person.

By that logic why shouldn't he be locked up for good? I'm sure he would of killed again if he enjoyed it.
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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

We all did stupid things when we were teenagers. Some of us did little stupid things others did things that are evil.

Now this boy killed a man for fun when he was 16 and got life in prison without parole possibilities. Oklahoma teen gets life in prison for killing of Australian

My first reaction was GOOD.

But then I think again... that means that the next 60-80 years he will be there, with no chance to get out at all. For something he did when he was 16 years old.

It confuses me. I hate what he did, it is awful and he should be punished for what he did.
But he is also a young human being that did a terrible thing when he was 16. Should he not have a second chance in life?

The victim will never have a second chance, so why should he...

MY BRIAN IS MAKING OVERTIME

Let me get this straight! If he were a mere TWO years older, you would be OK with the idea of him being in jail. Because he is a MINOR, you are OK with him getting a free pass.

OK, have you ever pulled a weed? Have you ever gotten over a cold? Have you killed a fly? *******WHY*******? ALL of those things live less than 18 years! OK, MAYBE a weed can live longer, MAYBE! I don't know if anyone did any studies, but the other things, at least at this point, certainly don't.

I have NEVER understood how a person can make an unusual mistake, or kill for a legitimate reason that may NEVER happen again, and get LIFEin jail! ANOTHER may CAPRICIOUSLY and WANTONLY do it and have a STRONG desire to do it again, and may have even done so, and STATE so, and THEY get a free pass because they are young, deranged, or brain damaged in some way.

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agmccall

9 years ago

I grew up in RI and back in 1987 there was a mother and 2 daughters murdered in their house by Craig Price, just google craig price murder RI and you can get loads of information. He was only 14 or 15 when he committed the murder. He killed the family then made a sandwich. Because he was a juvenile he was set for release at 18. Unfortunately he seems to have many altercations with corrections officers and keeps getting time added to his sentence. It does not seem like he will be getting out any time soon.

He was 14 or 15 at time of murder, and Yes I believe he should be behind bars forever. I actually think the Death Penalty is in order for this one.

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Kay King 9 years ago

I remember the incident involving this now-18 year old. The young man he killed was a good person with a bright future. This was a man he did not know - he had no argument with - no connection with. Animals don't kill for the fun of it - this man did.

I don't think anyone could read the stories about this killing and feel sorry for the killer. He's able to live his life - away from the rest of society, thank goodness.
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9 years ago

Originally Posted by agmccall

I grew up in RI and back in 1987 there was a mother and 2 daughters murdered in their house by Craig Price, just google craig price murder RI and you can get loads of information. He was only 14 or 15 when he committed the murder. He killed the family then made a sandwich. Because he was a juvenile he was set for release at 18. Unfortunately he seems to have many altercations with corrections officers and keeps getting time added to his sentence. It does not seem like he will be getting out any time soon.

He was 14 or 15 at time of murder, and Yes I believe he should be behind bars forever. I actually think the Death Penalty is in order for this one.

al

From what you describe this guy was a flat out Psychopath. Text book actually.

I have studied a lot about these animals ( Psychos).

Interesting, one study I analyzed a few months ago had some Ivy league Psych professors talking about the language of Psychopathic Murderers versus the non psychopathic murderers.

There was a thematic difference with the psychopath murderers and the non psychopath murderers that they interviewed in prison.

The non psychopathic murderers ( crimes of passion, schizophrenia, brain wash, drug induced etc..) when they were interviewed described the crime scene they were a part of in a very deliberate and a very serious and many times remorseful manner.

But a large percentage of the psychopathic murderers who were interviewed described the day of their horrific crimes talking about what they ate that day and what they wore.

Really interesting stuff,

One good analogy when wondering how psychopaths do their deeds is this : Imagine taking a tissue paper rubbing your nose and then discarding the tissue in the garbage. Well, do you sit there and think
" that poor piece of tissue paper: it can no longer be of any use and it has been destroyed. Oh my what a shame "

Of course you do not think that. And this is exactly how Psychopaths feel about their victims.

There is literally no conscious or feeling to the horrid act they have done. A human being is just a piece of tissue paper to them to discard and think nothing about

I have tried to rack my brains over and over about this mentality and how a person could think this way. A million times. But I have found out there is no answer. There just isn't.
These people are like aliens from another planet. Theres no figuring them out

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MissTerraK

9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

We all did stupid things when we were teenagers. Some of us did little stupid things others did things that are evil.

Now this boy killed a man for fun when he was 16 and got life in prison without parole possibilities. Oklahoma teen gets life in prison for killing of Australian

My first reaction was GOOD.

But then I think again... that means that the next 60-80 years he will be there, with no chance to get out at all. For something he did when he was 16 years old.

It confuses me. I hate what he did, it is awful and he should be punished for what he did.
But he is also a young human being that did a terrible thing when he was 16. Should he not have a second chance in life?

The victim will never have a second chance, so why should he...

MY BRIAN IS MAKING OVERTIME

Wow!

Give your brain a break and tell it that this kid could have become another serial killer like these and now that he's got life, no innocent others will have to lose theirs.

25 Most Evil Serial Killers Of The 20th Century -...

That ought to do it, don't you think?

Terra

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stoltingmediagroup

9 years ago

Allot of guys do allot of stupid things for fun at 16,

some do it again, and again,

but then they complain when all 4 baby mammas are saying: "show me the money"!

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Banned 9 years ago

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Cam Connor 9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

It took me a sec, but I got the joke.
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  If he can kill without remorse at 16 - what will he be like after 30 years in a high security prison? I think the "emotion" part you talk about is your belief a killer can be "cured."
  
  There are millions of people in this world that are worthy of our concern - this killer is not one of them. Would you want this person to come live with you - or near your family?
  
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Mike Anthony

9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

But then I think again... that means that the next 60-80 years he will be there, with no chance to get out at all. For something he did when he was 16 years old.

NO doubt about it. the sentence is TOTALLY unfair. He should at most have gotten 20 years on death row

Then it should have been death by being shot in the back on a road while running

16 ain't too young to be evil for life.

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allegandro

9 years ago

Still I'm not convinced that he should have no chance what so ever to get a second chance.
Call me naive, but what if we look after 30 years at it again at how the person is. If he is still a danger, give him another 10 years, if we think you could contribute something positive to society then give this man a second chance.
I think with giving a person hope for a second chance in life, your chance of becoming a better person is more realistic then when you have 0 chance of getting that chance.

Still I feel confused, because I feel disgusted in what he did. And my emotion says, let him burn. But justice system should not be about emotion, but about rationality.

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yukon Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

Still I'm not convinced that he should have no chance what so ever to get a second chance.

So to make that fair you would also give the victim a second chance?
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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

Still I'm not convinced that he should have no chance what so ever to get a second chance.
Call me naive, but what if we look after 30 years at it again at how the person is. If he is still a danger, give him another 10 years, if we think you could contribute something positive to society then give this man a second chance.
I think with giving a person hope for a second chance in life, your chance of becoming a better person is more realistic then when you have 0 chance of getting that chance.

Still I feel confused, because I feel disgusted in what he did. And my emotion says, let him burn. But justice system should not be about emotion, but about rationality.

30 or 40 years won't change a psychopath. Their brains aren't wired like yours. You have to remember that. He was given no chance of parole because he has no chance of "rehabilitation".

Also consider - this is one he got caught for. Were there others that we don't know about?

You're thinking with your emotions -- about someone who has none. If you are so sure he can "change" - would you be willing to allow him to stay with you in your home in 30 years to give him that "second chance"?

If you ask me, he doesn't need a second chance. Seems like he did enough damage on his first chance. I say give him the chair. What if he got out and impregnated a woman with his damaged pychopath brain genes? Just what we need is some more killers for the future generations.

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discrat

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

You're thinking with your emotions -- about someone who has none. If you are so sure he can "change" - would you be willing to allow him to stay with you in your home in 30 years to give him that "second chance"?

So true. This is one reason why I have been back and forth on the death penalty.

.Many people against death penalty are thinking with their emotions when it comes to these murdering psychopaths.

They think if you show forgiveness and try to show compassion to these creatures it will somehow make a difference.

It will NOT !!
It won't

There is almost nil chance of rehabilitation.

Just bad seeds whose brain deficits in the Empathy region are damaged/underdeveloped.

Couple that with abuse as a child and possible drug abuse and you have the perfect storm

Right now Iam saying wipe them off the face of the Earth.

But who knows how I will feel next week

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agc

9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Right now Iam saying wipe them off the face of the Earth.

But who knows how I will feel next week

If only the criminal justice system was focused on truth and facts and not the perversions perpetrated by politicians and lawyers, and we could be certain that only those deserving were executed, I'd be on board 100%.

Unfortunately, the one thing our justice system doesn't seem to care about is fairness, justice and making sure that the punished are actually guilty. I never met a prosecutor who was wondering if a defendant was guilty, they only ever wonder if they can get the conviction. That pretty much sums up everything you need to know about the integrity of the system.

We determine guilt on a consensus. Of course 12 idiots can be convinced of just about anything (for example, that the earth is flat, there is no global warming, and on and on). So in the end it comes to to the politicking involved. And lawyers arguing is really a micro political process, scoped to a court room rather than to voting districts.

So while I could easily kill someone I know is guilty, and I could easily support the execution of someone I know is guilty, I've learned enough to know that I very seldom really know much of anything unless I saw it with my own eyes. And even then I have to question if what I saw was being manipulated by someone for some purpose. 12 idiots on a jury? fuggitabout.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by agc

. I never met a prosecutor who was wondering if a defendant was guilty, they only ever wonder if they can get the conviction.

So while I could easily kill someone I know is guilty, and I could easily support the execution of someone I know is guilty, I've learned enough to know that I very seldom really know much of anything unless I saw it with my own eyes. And even then I have to question if what I saw was being manipulated by someone for some purpose. .

You show rare insight.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

There is almost nil chance of rehabilitation.

Just bad seeds whose brain deficits in the Empathy region are damaged/underdeveloped.

My first thought was that he's only 18 years old, and the brain doesn't mature until about 25 years old. It's why teenagers do stupid things.

But this is different. Psychopaths can't be cured. It's like trying to cure their height or eye color.

This kid's behavior is classic psychopath. And he may be able to hide it better as he gets older, but he's a monster.

I'm not big on the death penalty, but I don't think it's safe to ever let this guy out in public.

If he was not a psychopath, I'd be against a life sentence.
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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

I care nothing for this little sociopath/psychopath. Killing someone for fun is pure evil and evil can start young. So, you want to give a psychopath, thrill killer a second chance to destroy lives? I hope he rots in jail until he's dead.

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TB Ann

9 years ago

why don't they just kill him instead. its no different to "in prison for life".

they should give him a 2nd chance.

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Yvon Boulianne

9 years ago

What should we say to the relative of the next one he kill if we let him out, oups sorry... ?

I also think prison is a very stupid system, these peoples are sick and should be treated until we can be sure at 100% (1000%) that they are cured.

I know lot of peoples think it's not a sickness but as there's a buddha inside each of us i can guaranty you that it is a kind of sickness.

the whole penal system need to reform in a healing system but it's not for tomorrow...

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Floyd Fisher

9 years ago

Originally Posted by allegandro

We all did stupid things when we were teenagers. Some of us did little stupid things others did things that are evil.

Now this boy killed a man for fun when he was 16 and got life in prison without parole possibilities. Oklahoma teen gets life in prison for killing of Australian

My first reaction was GOOD.

But then I think again... that means that the next 60-80 years he will be there, with no chance to get out at all. For something he did when he was 16 years old.

It confuses me. I hate what he did, it is awful and he should be punished for what he did.
But he is also a young human being that did a terrible thing when he was 16. Should he not have a second chance in life?

The victim will never have a second chance, so why should he...

MY BRIAN IS MAKING OVERTIME

And how long before he gets parole?

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