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I think the solution to the bee problem is contained farming, maybe even vertical farming. That creates micro climates that can be managed on small scales.

The way things are farmed today is a waste of space, water & unable to control pesticide runoff.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I think the solution to the bee problem is contained farming, maybe even vertical farming. That creates micro climates that can be managed on small scales.

The way things are farmed today is a waste of space, water & unable to control pesticide runoff.

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Yeah, bees may not take well to that. BEES kind of self manage population, and they likely have a minimum size, etc....

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Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, bees may not take well to that. BEES kind of self manage population, and they likely have a minimum size, etc....

Steve

Bees could care less where they're located as long as the environment supports them with food, heat, etc...

BTW, there's an industry that transports bees around the US, so, it's not unusual to manage bees.

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seasoned

9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Bees could care less where they're located as long as the environment supports them with food, heat, etc...

BTW, there's an industry that transports bees around the US, so, it's not unusual to manage bees.

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ACTUALLY, bees are managed so well because the BEEKEEPERS learned the rules, etc... If they fail to follow them, the bees may move, in part, or as a whole. And you can bet the bees DO care where they live! AGAIN, the beekeepers manage that. Oh SURE, they keep A queen so that many will tend to be there, but if things get too populated, the bees may raise another queen, and swarm!

Swarming bees: what?s that all about, and why do they do that?

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Originally Posted by seasoned

ACTUALLY, bees are managed so well because the BEEKEEPERS learned the rules, etc... If they fail to follow them, the bees may move, in part, or as a whole. And you can bet the bees DO care where they live! AGAIN, the beekeepers manage that. Oh SURE, they keep A queen so that many will tend to be there, but if things get too populated, the bees may raise another queen, and swarm!

Swarming bees: what?s that all about, and why do they do that?

Steve

Lol, bees don't care about location, I already proved that.

Like I said from the beginning, contained/vertical farming. Bees can be placed inside a greenhouse with optimal climate control + food & the bees would live a normal lifespan. It's not nearly as complicated as people want to make it.

Farming like it's 1800 isn't the answer to an ever increasing human population, it's sloppy & wasteful.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

Yeah, bees may not take well to that. BEES kind of self manage population, and they likely have a minimum size, etc....

Steve

There is not a species on the planet that "self manages" their population -- including humans, who are supposed to be intelligent enough to do so. Any time conditions allow, a species will over-populate and strip their natural resources, leaving them to migrate or die off. We have over-populated and are not only stripping our natural resources, we have people sick and twisted enough in charge to allow corporations to continue to cause major damage just because it's making a few people rich.

Kay - I've considered that it will be major thinning rather than total obliteration, but at this stage of the game, I'm not so sure. If any do survive, it will be interesting to see if they learned anything that will prevent this crap from happening again or if they'll just develop the same self destructive practices when a few start to get too comfy to allow anything else to matter.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Kay - I've considered that it will be major thinning rather than total obliteration, but at this stage of the game, I'm not so sure. If any do survive, it will be interesting to see if they learned anything that will prevent this crap from happening again or if they'll just develop the same self destructive practices when a few start to get too comfy to allow anything else to matter.

Not figured quotes yet on the forum so this may go loopsy doop.

Thing about identifying non-self-destructive solutions is that it's based on the same overall concept of believing we know how everything works. If there's a Green issue with the bees and the pussy cats, then will a hardcore Greenpeace solution fix it? Any and all of our solutions stem from us, and since when did we have a clue? I guess all we can do is bone up on as much as we can from the past and be real honest about what a klutz we've been. We're always gonna unleash monsters that seem like angels, so maybe the trick is to get quicker and smarter at rolling out the stun darts.

(that's my best shot at vampire-free thinking for this morning.)

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Kay King

9 years ago

Maybe we'll die off because we're too crazy to exist....

Sal - What would happen would depend on WHO survived. If it were a representative sample of humanity, they'd have a chance of doing better going forward. If it's only a small group in a 3rd world country, it would be subsistence and much of the knowledge gained would be irrelevant and lost.
But what if people at the subsistence level now are tough enough to survive while the people of 'highly developed' nations aren't?

The best scenario for the earth is that some people survive in most places - or in a variety of places - on the earth. If it's a representative sample you would retain knowledge of physiology and birth control, of farming practices and climate - that would ensure survival of the species.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Maybe we'll die off because we're too crazy to exist....

Sal - What would happen would depend on WHO survived. If it were a representative sample of humanity, they'd have a chance of doing better going forward. If it's only a small group in a 3rd world country, it would be subsistence and much of the knowledge gained would be irrelevant and lost.
But what if people at the subsistence level now are tough enough to survive while the people of 'highly developed' nations aren't?

The best scenario for the earth is that some people survive in most places - or in a variety of places - on the earth. If it's a representative sample you would retain knowledge of physiology and birth control, of farming practices and climate - that would ensure survival of the species.

Hard to say. So many factors. I was talking about this back about 9 years ago and can't believe how many people called me a conspiracy nut case. At least if I am going out - I can go out with a raspberry and an "I told you so."

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Originally Posted by HeySal

can't believe how many people called me a conspiracy nut case.

Even, then? Wow! Whodathunkit? "-)

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Kay King

9 years ago

If humans disappeared early, perhaps other species would have a chance at survival. Then again, they've been predicting the extinction for some time so it must move slowly.

I know there are lovely videos of nature and the wonders of the earth - but I strongly believe our slavish devotion to technology has removed many people from any real contact with nature.

Conservation is fashionable - but only if it makes money and doesn't cause us any discomfort in our lives. Looking at the conditions in California - easy to believe something "big" is happening.

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yukon Banned 9 years ago

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Conservation is fashionable - but only if it makes money...

Conservation can make money. There's a Whole Foods in Brooklyn with a greenhouse on their roof. It's small scale but it's a profitable start.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

If humans disappeared early, perhaps other species would have a chance at survival. Then again, they've been predicting the extinction for some time so it must move slowly.

I know there are lovely videos of nature and the wonders of the earth - but I strongly believe our slavish devotion to technology has removed many people from any real contact with nature.

Conservation is fashionable - but only if it makes money and doesn't cause us any discomfort in our lives. Looking at the conditions in California - easy to believe something "big" is happening.

Am of the opinion that whatever we do to the earth if it resulted in our disappearance then I think it has a good chance of recovery over time, all gasses we have pumped into the atmosphere will eventually dissipate, vegetation will again take hold and absorb the CO2 etc. A large volcanic eruption will blot out the sun and cool the Earth for a while. Many different natural things will happen that could be called self cleansing. It has another 1.78 billion years to let life start again and take hold before the sun begins to swell and put us outside the habitable zone.

The other reason is that we don't have to do too much more to tip the balance to make ourselves extinct or at least lessen our numbers drastically as to make our impact negligible.

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HeySal

9 years ago

The extinction has been under way for a while now. We could have gotten things back in line but we let greed rule. Too bad for us. Whatever survives us will replenish things without the terror of humans to deal with. We were well warned.

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Kay King 9 years ago

I've never believed in the theory of "extinction of the human race".

I think eventually there will be a severe 'thinning of the herd' of homo sapiens.
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9 years ago

I just watched a video that, AGAIN, tried to create a wedge of separation. It spoke of all the problems that are SUPPOSEDLY new! Only ONE was one that existed over 50 years ago. Oh SURE, the others are worse now in many areas, but that is much because of THEIR actions! I only saw ONE that was rather new. The PRIMARY reason it was new was because of all the others, due to the "victims". The OTHER is because technology, and related effects make it simpler.

But YEAH, such things kill perhaps *****MILLIONS***** of people a year! THAT is why that guy killed the people in that church recently, why elliot killed those people, why that guy killed the people in norway, and that other in france, etc.... It is why the black panthers, KKK, nazis, etc.... existed.

SERIOUSLY, I wonder when the human race will be FAR smaller, but I am pretty sure it will be because of that garbage, rather than a natural event.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

I extincted 3 secs into this crap.

NEXT!

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

No, wait, I mis-hit here on some schmunck I saw earlier.

No retractions on NEXT!

But I see bees here now and I'm running insult.

Figuring NEXT on bees for you guys.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

I guess it's hangin' on a sing kinda thing.

Which is why I'm here.

Some mosquito post otherwhere on WF whups out on all loadsa fear, and it's smack easy to feed into that stuff.

That's how you get to ram dumb ideas down the throats of the witless.

Bees?

They're just buying and selling.

Buzzing for suck of whack and figuring where in the hexagonal smack to drop honey.

Only they don't know alla that.

And maybe we don't know alla what we're here for either, Mind Warrs included.

Which is why marketing sucks our souls into the ether.

And (zoiny oppositesville) also kinda works — if "Like A Girl" $$$ smirks could flip bees from NO LONGER HERE & spoing 'em on back to their teed-up maybes.

We need those guys, buzzy, fuzzy, spurs miscast as idle fluff.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Princess Balestra

Which is why I'm here. guess it's hangin' on a sing kinda thing.

Some mosquito post otherwhere on WF whups out on all loadsa fear, and it's smack easy to feed into that stuff..........And (zoiny oppositesville) also kinda works -- if "Like A Girl" $$$ smirks could flip bees from NO LONGER HERE & spoing 'em on back to their teed-up maybe

You have to love the creativity though.

English as a second language for English speakers.

Skip the pictures. I wanna hear the wedding vows.

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Looking at that avatar, she's obviously a vampire.

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HeySal

9 years ago

What's terrifying me is that it has 26 likes on it's posts. And we need wonder why we're headed into extinction? Holy crap.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Just turning cranks till I figure a good one.

Way I see it, extinction is gonna happen for 1 of 2 reasons:

1) Top Down — ISIS, Putin, China, The US, or maybe even San Marino, throw on the nukes.
2) Bottom Up — Some weirdo Amzonian snake no one's even named goes belly up on the mortality deal and sparks the rush to food chain armageddon worldwide.

(Oh yeah, and there's asteroids, aliens, but we don't get much say over those [self dep joke alert] unless y'all go send me to parley with the antenna guys.)

What would be great is if 1 and 2 happened together and fluked their own solution.

So let's say that Korean guy with the oil slick quiff shoots off a load of nukes at precisely the moment there's a plague of mosquitoes thanks to some Weenie Bug Just Left The Building scenario further down the food chain. Just as the D for Armageddon switch is flipped, Minion X gets nipped on the neck, or a whole bunch of mosquitoes wreak havoc on the nuke machinery, and all those missiles shoot off into the Stratosphere, zapping an asteroid we never saw coming, along with all the alien dudes using it as a stealth bomber. There's a big KA-POW — and dust clouds bombard the planet. Mosquitoes get blitzed, bad guys get rumbled, and we start building homes for the world's poor with all the cheapo concrete we can now make. One of the kids saved from the shanty towns makes it to Harvard and figures a way to do a Jurassic Park on the Weenie Bug, and mankind is rebooted.

It's no fantasy, guys.

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HeySal

9 years ago

Well, if you're gonna post while loaded, I guess the bar is the best place to do it.

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Princess Balestra

9 years ago

Gotta love a breakfast bar.

Weird thing is, I see now how the Korean guy made it into my dream last night. Usually, I get Matt Damon, but some ninjas must have tied him up and let Mr Hairdo loose on my slumbering synaptic array.

As for being loaded, was it Emerson who said, "better to draw a blank than fire one"?

No, wait — that was me.

But I dig this stoner vampire It Grrl trip. After the week I've had, that counts as high praise.

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BigFrank Banned 9 years ago

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my slumbering synaptic array..

Come on, now. The word 'array' implies 'more than one.'

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Zodiax

9 years ago

Who cares,

We will all kill ourselves eventually.

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sttbs

9 years ago

Yea.. it will require a significant effort from the majority of the people (especially those with power) living on Earth to reverse this extinction phase and make the Earth more habitable.

But nah, majority of the people with power are greedy and only cares about their self-interest - riches, fame, power.. that's all they care about.

Besides, we are smart. Probably that's why the elites started the space exploration projects last time. We need more habitable planets.

It will be Star Wars sooner or later. hahaha

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agc

9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

And we are early on in the list. "vertebrates were disappearing at a rate 114 times faster than normal"

Earth 'entering new extinction phase' - US study - BBC News

Happy Friday

I'm not sure which is worse, junk science or junk journalism.

The perpetrators of both certainly know better. Methinks we already know where we should just start our mass extermination, er, extinction.