I'm SCARED about this!

Yeah, Steve - I already disclosed this crap in the CODEX thread - so far most are just thinking I type in a tinfoil hat. It's not really much use. I put this link up so people could read different aspects of the health care bill - the guy gives page number for each article so people can see it themselves. I didn't have one response to that post.
http://blog.flecksoflife.com/2009/07...c-monstrosity/

I was wrong. I thought they would be using the financial crash to implement fascist controls - they are using health instead.
Not only will the bill allow them to withhold treatment from anyone they tell a doctor to withhold it from - it allows them to walk right into your house and dictate your health. It allow them to tell you exactly how you will parent your children. It also allows them to control your own family budget when they decide whether you can afford it or not. It's total Hitler style control - and put it together with CODEX and you are going to see a mass die off like you could not ever imagine. By that time people might quit idiotically screaming about "tinfoil hats" and figure out that maybe it's just a tad too late to do anything about the coup we just underwent without anyone even noticing.

People think this is Obama's health bill. Once more -- it is not possible for a bill this size to be written and thrown out on the floor for voting in the amount of time he's been in office. This is just the last of the real treats from the good sociopaths that gave us CODEX.

Over population problem solved.

They are talking about locking people into hospices, and encouraging their demise. They ALSO have started castrating HORSES claiming that they want to help them, etc... I SWEAR, they should go back to nursery school.

One person in congress was quoted as saying that it was ridiculous to consider reading the bill before voting because it would take 2 lawyers 2 days! Well, that IS what they are supposed to do. They ARE supposedly mostly lawyers. They have LOTS of assistants, and some are NOT even paid!

Steve

Steve, you've said a lot there without saying what it was that you actually did: What was the conspiracy? Are you saying you single-handedly sorted out waiting-time problems at a major hospital? Or that you prevented the banning of certain drugs? Or... something else?

Steve,

I wish I could help you, but being a non US citizen or medicare subscriber, this Obamacare policy won't affect me or mine in any way.

Warfarin has always been free here in the UK along with the INR tests we needed to have on whatever schedule they decided we needed them. You just turned up and had the test and the card was sent back to you a week later.

Guess us folks in the UK have an awful lot to than Mr Bevin for.

I hope this thread is allowed to stay up, and I also hope that other Governments decide to do the right thing for their people.
You pay your taxes and we pay National Insurance too.

The National Insurance pays for our health care and our megre pensions.

Of the two, the healthcare is the most important.

Just my humble opinion.

Steve, I can understand your situation. I have to pay for lipitor (a common anti-high cholesterol drug) because our not entirely free universal health care provider in Hong Kong will only stock Zocor. I cannot take zocor because a blood test determined that the drug is potentially dangerous to me. Howeover, I am still thankful that we have a universal health care system. At least, this means we have much less to worry about healthcare. However, it has got so expensive for the government that they are considering imposing some form of compulsory health insurance on us to pay for it. We are also well acquainted with your HMO system because some of them are very active in our private health here. A lot of medical professionals here are very worried about them.

Janet, I have worked in the NHS as a doctor before and things are not as simple as it seems. Bevan will not recognize at all the way it is functioning today. There is also a restricted list of drugs and treatments that a hospital can prescrube. Not only that, your GP has wide discretion on how you will be taken care of. He can get quotes from different hospitals as to how much it will cost to treat a patient and sometime, patients are sent overseas for treatment. Hospitals have to compete with each other for patients and there is pressure on them to give the cheapest quotes. So basically, the NHS more or less functions like a profit making organization. It is highly debatable whether this has saved much money but certainly, the incomes of GP have increased massively as a result.

Health care costs have risen well above inflation year after year. If anything good comes out of this recession, I hope it is time that there will be serious efforts to control them.


Derek

It took the whole damned world to stop the Nazis and they had 6 mil under their belt by the time they could be stopped. Exactly who do you think in today's "global" BS would step in on our behalf if it happened?
Remember Terri Shrivo anyone - woman was murdered, plain and simple. The only one who knew her and said she was vegged was her husband and his pal the judge - they both made quite a bit of cash in the matter.

Anyhow - what we have seen being done to our finances in the last year is the biggest echo of hitler's economic system the world has ever seen - yet people still trust our gov. They have taken our habeas corpus from us, and people still trust them. They are taking moves toward extreme censorship and the people still trust them, they are pulling some real crap with drugging school kids and people still trust them. They are allowing our water to be poisoned, Monsanto to overrun the farmers, they have stolen public land and either charge us to step foot on it or sold it to corporations - people still trust them.

Tommy - the truth is they could do any damned thing they want and people will still trust them. You could load 1/3 of our population in concentration camps right now - and as long as the gov had a good excuse to tell their corporately owned media, no one would lift a finger to do crap about it.

I tried to tell people almost 3 decades ago that the FED was not a branch of the gov it was a bank. All they could do is scream about tinfoil hats. Now most people know it and outside of about 10% of the population, most don't even understand the implications of our country being owned by a bank. You talk fascism or Hitler and all people know is that he killed a bunch of Jews. They understand nothing about how the financial systems were set up to completely crash the German economy when he was set up into power - and he was set up - how else does a poor little nobody with no finances of his own achieve that kind of power?

You talk about corporate owned media and people not only don't understand that our media centers have become corporately owned, they have no idea what the big deal about that is. They were warned about the financial crash and all they could do was once again yell about tinfoil hats - when it came to the bailout they finally got together and a vast majority of the population said "no" very loudly, followed by threats to either refuse re-election to offenders or just to directly remove them from office - they didn't remember that for 2 freaking weeks.

We've had the world's biggest ponzi scheme run on us (Social Security) and they haven't even hid the fact they were dipping into it, and do you see people marching in the street to protest their money being just outrightly stolen from them? LOL

These people are so well brainwashed to scream tinfoil hat any time anyone says something bad is coming down that the Moonies could take a lesson from it. The wake up call is on the agenda - there's going to be one hell of a lot of extemely surprised people in 2010. And they will still be screaming "tinfoil" hat, no matter what freedom is ripped out from under them or how much of their money the gov decides to take from them. If people would start reading some bills before screaming about tinfoil hats they would turn a few colors that you've never seen humans turn before.

As far as I'm concerned it's about a year past time to send the military in and remove anyone from office who has voted for anything against the constitution and to dismantle the fed.

Sign me:
Not so loyal subject of the United States of Goldman Sachs.

I think that these are the times that dictate citizens to become involved and self aware about what goes on with their government and the environment around them. I think that the best way to handle the situation is to keep a level head and think about how we can help alleviate the situation in our own way.

WOW, I started doing something many politicians think is LUDICROUS! I started READING the stupid plan. Windows crashed before I made my last update, so I lost a few minutes work. 8-( They SAY it is 1000 pages. The one I looked at APPEARED to be 1017. After removing the introductions, etc... It APPEARED to be 1003! Well, it refers to other laws, etc... so a CONCISE understanding would require reading far more.

STILL, in the first 30 pages, it says that NO competing plan can be created! NONE!!!!!! Page 16 102(a)(1)(A) Any competing plans that existed before the plan can NOT be changed, and must comply with the benefits/rules/etc... here, or they will be ABOLISHED! They are reassessed after 5 years, and may be cancelled. NO competing plan can accept new members after passage of this bill! Costs can NOT vary based on a persons risk unless all people in that group ALSO have costs changed accordingly.

In short, it is unlikely that there will be any choices. If you are in aetna, and prefer bluecross, you better switch NOW! AFTER the bills passage, you won't be able to switch. Then again, is bluecross' plan going to exist? If you switch now, and IT is dropped, you can't switch back to aetna!

BTW Dependents can be added ONLY if they are added through BIRTH! If you are in a plan, and your dependent is in another plan, and things look better for him/her under your plan after the switch, they will NOT be allowed to join! Likewise, when go out on their own, they may be FORCED to take the governments plan. I didn't see anything in the bill that said one way or the other.

ALSO, there is a utopian view that, while the hospital MUST give raises, pay well, etc... (under the area in 1007 and following), insurance must NOT raise costs more than the CPI! They also can change NO terms, and their risks will tend to go up!

Secure horizons, and the like, apparently don't have to worry so much. There is an exclusion for them. Alas, I am too young for that. You CAN get special insurance to AUGMENT some things, but that is in ADDITION to this plan, and NOT to compete! That is at an ADDED COST!

Hospitals are ALSO controlled, and must have UNION labor(page 1007 D)! States are controlled in the normal way.

1017 A state may be given federal funds under Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 201 et seq.) only if the entire state complies with this bill.

OH YEAH, on the medical board, nearly everyone is picked by the PRESIDENT! Nearly everyone else is picked by someone the president picks!

I actually like the area: 1000 (subtitle C National Meidcal Device Registry) The problem is that I must have missed something. That is too simple, and should have been done since day one! After all, that IS part of the FDAs mission statement!

OK, I ADMIT IT! I started from the back, and then, after page 979, decided to go from the front. The meat of a lot of the problems is really after page 14.

I know you might not believe some stuff, so here:


Or how about this:

This is like a nightmare.

Steve