by Raydal
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Let me help you with that answer: "YES you are!"
And so am I. I may even think that my prejudice is better than
your prejudice.

I love dogs, but I don't like Pit bulls. I'm actually very afraid of them.
I usually walk on the other side when I pass an owner walking one,
except it's a pup. But you may say, "That's not prejudice", but it is. I'm
against Pit bulls because of all the stories I hear about their
viscous attacks on people. I've personally NEVER had a bad
experience with a Pit bull. I know owners who love them and
would even try to convince me that they are "nice" dogs. But I'm
not convinced.

So my prejudice is really a NATURAL defense mechanism to
protect myself against personal harm.

If you saw a "mean looking guy" coming out of a dark alley
in a "bad part of town" your instinct (another word for prejudice)
will kick in and you would avoid him like the plague.
We all like people who look like us, talk like us, think like us
and share our prejudices.

And the sooner you admit it the better the world will be. We are
born that way. Screwed up!

Here is a nice presentation for those who are harder to be convinced
that they are prejudiced.

https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_bloom..._a_good_thing?

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    I'm extremely prejudiced against people that defame a beautiful breed of dog based on sensationalized press reports. All dogs do what Pit Bulls do, only the stories about other dogs are never reported. French Poodles bite many more humans than Pit Bulls. Ask any veterinarian and then ask them which breed they would trust alone with their own children?

    Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I love dogs, but I don't like Pit bulls.
      Stop by for a visit one day - my pit Gracie will teach you the truth of the pit bull personality. The only danger is she may lick you to death.

      Seriously - stop in and meet her. Education and experience cures prejudice.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      I'm extremely prejudiced against people that defame a beautiful breed of dog based on sensationalized press reports. All dogs do what Pit Bulls do, only the stories about other dogs are never reported. French Poodles bite many more humans than Pit Bulls. Ask any veterinarian and then ask them which breed they would trust alone with their own children?

      Cheers. - Frank
      Im extremely prejudiced against people who make nonsensical comparisons between two obviously different things.

      Afterall the stats on french poodles taking down grown human beings and mauling toddlers and babies and inexplicably killing other innocent dogs has truly become an epidemic
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Im extremely prejudiced against people who make nonsensical comparisons between two obviously different things.

        Afterall the stats on french poodles taking down grown human beings and mauling toddlers and babies has truly become an epidemic
        Nothing ignorant about that statement. Learn to read and comprehend before you rant.

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Nothing ignorant about that statement. Learn to read and comprehend before you rant.

          Cheers. - Frank
          Absolutly ignorant in the highest degree.

          By your rationalization (or shall i say irrationalization)
          we should treat the common garden snake equally as the rattkesnake and shoud not come down hard on the poor Rattler because the garden bites as often ....as tests have shown.

          Like i said igorance to the highest degree.

          I will kindly stop my rant when the Illogical responses driven by pure emotion cease to exist.

          But hey this is WF where this kind of thing is nearly a impossibility and only a fleeting
          dream lol
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          • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Absolutly ignorant in the highest degree.
            I greatly appreciate you confirming my statement, but it wasn't necessary since it was so blatantly obvious.

            Enjoy the rest of you day, 'dreaming.'

            Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            we should treat the common garden snake equally as the rattkesnake and shoud not come down hard on the poor Rattler because the garden bites as often ....as tests have shown.
            I treat pitt bulls, rattlesnakes, spiders, and garden snakes along with all other forms of wildlife with the same response. Respect. Not fear. Respect.
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          • Profile picture of the author HeySal
            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            Absolutly ignorant in the highest degree.

            By your rationalization (or shall i say irrationalization)
            we should treat the common garden snake equally as the rattkesnake and shoud not come down hard on the poor Rattler because the garden bites as often ....as tests have shown.

            Like i said igorance to the highest degree.

            I will kindly stop my rant when the Illogical responses driven by pure emotion cease to exist.

            But hey this is WF where this kind of thing is nearly a impossibility and only a fleeting
            dream lol
            Pits also have SAVED more lives than poodles. A well raised dog with strength has the capability of saving your life. I had rotties - they get the same flack. Will they kill? They can. Power is dangerous in the wrong hands.

            My rotts were trained in search and rescue. I also somehow always over-grow a pet. They're well cared for. When I'd walk them there was always the dipstick that would come up and tell me all about how "badass" their own dog is and how they can take someone, or your own dog, apart. My answer would be that my guy SAVES lives.

            When I was a kid we were taught how to act around animals to avoid being hurt. Nowdays people are actually stupid enough to think if they impose laws on dogs, the dogs will understand and obey. They aren't the problem. Stupid and/or abusive people are the problem. For instance - the giant breeds are extremely one pack leader oriented. Y You HAVE to understand dog sociology to safely have a dog (of any kind).

            You want to be safe around ANY dog - you watch the owner. IF that person doesn't have an almost human connection with that animal, it might be a biter.

            As far as prejudice - everyone has some. We are cognitively hardwired to have them and they are actually a defense mechanism. What went wrong with these is that we no longer live in our natural state - tribal. We still believe we a completely social, and with the population numbers we are forced to live in mass society.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

              You want to be safe around ANY dog - you watch the owner. IF that person doesn't have an almost human connection with that animal, it might be a biter.
              Please don't judge my dog by your impression of me. I have trained my dog properly and she is the most loving and gentle creature you would ever encounter.

              I am the 'biter' in this household.

              Cheers. - Frank
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    Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

    I love dogs, but I don't like Pit bulls.
    Spend a few days with one and then let us know what you're going to name your rescue. :-)
    I'm actually very afraid of them.
    Irrational fear, same as snakes and spiders, both of which have the potential to be much more likely to bite you than any properly raised Pit Bull.

    Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    LOL. I don't think the Off Topic section means that the THREADS
    should go off topic, just the topics.

    Dogs were just used as an illustration. The topic was prejudice.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    I used to be prejudiced against fat people, until I met Claude.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      I used to be prejudiced against fat people, until I met Claude.
      I smell a bromance, or at least a very unhealthy fixation. lol

      Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author ThomM
      : having or showing an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc.
      : having a feeling or like or dislike for something or someone
      Going by those definitions from Mariam Webster, then yes I am.
      As for the first definition that is something I've learned to recognize and actively work on whenever it crops up in my life. In the past I've been prejudiced against pretty much any and all groups you can imagine. As I got older I realized it was not only a waste of time but illogical.
      As for the second definition, I don't look at that as prejudice unless the like or dislike for the person or thing is based on the first definition.
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  • Profile picture of the author ellison
    Hey Raydal,
    I think you are confusing prejudice with things you don`t like which is a more rational response to situations. If you don`t like pitbulls because one barked at you that isn`t a prejudice as in your mind you find them menacing. A prejudice is a preconceived idea that is not based on reason or actual experience. We should all try to learn to like or dislike things because of rational reasons, not ignorant ones such as simple prejudice
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by ellison View Post

      Hey Raydal,
      I think you are confusing prejudice with things you don`t like which is a more rational response to situations. If you don`t like pitbulls because one barked at you that isn`t a prejudice as in your mind you find them menacing. A prejudice is a preconceived idea that is not based on reason or actual experience. We should all try to learn to like or dislike things because of rational reasons, not ignorant ones such as simple prejudice
      I understand what you are saying but I've heard more stories about Pit Bulls
      than I have seen the dog itself. My sister even owned and breed them for
      a while. So there are people who say nice things about them. I don't like
      them not because of first hand experience but just from what I was told.

      I think that's being prejudiced, because it's not rational at all.

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I have a prejudice toward people that are back-woodsy southern folk.

        It's because my family is made up entirely of backward, uneducated, superstitious, science illiterate, loving people.

        I grew up hating the poverty, the ignorance....... The old wives tales.

        So now, I don't like anyone (at least for the first few seconds) that I see as southern backwoods hillbillies (is that even a word anymore?)

        It's based on experience. But it became a prejudice, when I applied this preconception to everyone from the deep south. It's not rational. And it isn't fair.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I have a prejudice toward people that are back-woodsy southern folk.

          It's because my family is made up entirely of backward, uneducated, superstitious, science illiterate, loving people.

          I grew up hating the poverty, the ignorance....... The old wives tales.

          So now, I don't like anyone that I see as southern backwoods hillbillies (is that even a word anymore?)

          It's based on experience. But it became a prejudice, when I applied this preconception to everyone from the deep south. It's not rational. And it isn't fair.
          More proof that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            More proof that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

            Cheers. - Frank
            Wait..am I the apple? Am I the tree? Wait, are you saying that I'm the fertilizer for the tree?

            OK, in this scenario, I think I'm the crabapple.


            And you are the wind beneath my wings.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Wait..am I the apple? Am I the tree? Wait, are you saying that I'm the fertilizer for the tree?

              OK, in this scenario, I think I'm the crabapple.



              And you are the wind beneath my wings.

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              Close...you're how the apple got a case of the crabs, and I'm not talking about seafood.
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              • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
                If you guys had a choice between seafood and crabs which would you pick?
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                  If you guys had a choice between seafood and crabs which would you pick?
                  Trick question, both seafood.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                    Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                    Trick question, both seafood.
                    Not if you're talking about the kind of crabs that Claude spreads.

                    Cheers. - Frank
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                      With quality posts like the ones in this thread, who can blame people for not wanting to stop by the Warrior Forum.

                      Oh, wait... I have to go up-stairs to the Main Forum so I can b.tch about how idiotic the threads are.


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                        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                        With quality posts like the ones in this thread, who can blame people for not wanting to stop by the Warrior Forum.

                        Oh, wait... I have to go up-stairs to the Main Forum so I can b.tch about how idiotic the threads are.


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                        Actually, it's posts like this one that make me not want to come here as often. The constant bitching about what other people post is getting old. If you don't like it, why don't you post something of "quality" instead of crying?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          Actually, it's posts like this one that make me not want to come here as often.
                          If this condition could only become contagious,


                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          The constant bitching about what other people post is getting old.
                          I'm sure WalkingCarpet would agree with you.


                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          If you don't like it, why don't you post something of "quality" instead of crying?
                          You can't get much better quality than this,

                          http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-products.html


                          Although hypocritical, I'm not surprised by the defensiveness of your post.


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                          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                            I smell a bromance, or at least a very unhealthy fixation. lol

                            Cheers. - Frank
                            Just as long as you don't get into Claudes head or start to pout about you being god, then it is only a matter of time!

                            Last guy that had a bromance with Claude, got banned for life!

                            He also tried to become friends with me, but after being verbially abused a few times and shortchanged, l tended to steer well clear of him?

                            Call me old fashioned!

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                          • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                            I'll admit - I have some irrational fears - but prejudices - I don't think so based on the definition of the word "prejudice"
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                            • Profile picture of the author HeySal
                              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                              I'll admit - I have some irrational fears - but prejudices - I don't think so based on the definition of the word "prejudice"
                              Then your mind doesn't work like everyone else's on the planet. It isn't just things like race or nationality you can be prejudiced against. It's any group that you automatically have disdain for. For example - how about a club of women who knit. You might automatically assume that the women in a knitting club are boring, or frumpy, etc. That would be a prejudice. If you say you don't have any, you aren't being honest with yourself.

                              People are innately inclined to be prejudiced against any group that is different enough from their own. If it were just a matter of "don't like so don't bother with", that would be one thing, and that's the way a lot of prejudices are. The problem comes when it becomes "don't like so I want them vanquished".
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                            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                              Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

                              I'll admit - I have some irrational fears - but prejudices - I don't think so based on the definition of the word "prejudice"
                              How predictable. lol Our most perfect member and the only member of the human race devoid of any prejudice.

                              Cheers. - Frank
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                                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                                  Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

                                  WELL, it is ones of YOUR ilk [blah blah blah]
                                  Ones of YOUR ilk say [blah blah blah]

                                  [blah blah blah] enough to even APPROACH how I really feel.

                                  [blah blah blah] some of your ilk [blah blah blah].

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                              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                                Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                                How predictable. lol Our most perfect member and the only member of the human race devoid of any prejudice.

                                Cheers. - Frank
                                How predictable of you to continually bash the same member over and over every chance you get.

                                Maybe its a jealousy thing because she is one of the few members here who still maintains some amount of decency and dignity :-)
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                                • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                                  Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                                  How predictable of you to continually bash the same member over and over every chance you get.
                                  Post lunacy, I respond. Do it repeatedly, I'll respond every chance I get. Bashing? That hardly qualifies as bashing.
                                  Maybe its a jealousy thing because she is one of the few members here who still maintains some amount of decency and dignity :-)
                                  Maybe - and then, again - maybe not. lol

                                  Cheers. - Frank
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
                                    I think this forum would vastly improve in quality with Claude jokes.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                                      I think this forum would vastly improve in quality with Claude jokes.

                                      Your check is in the mail.

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                                    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                                      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                                      I think this forum would vastly improve in quality with Claude jokes.
                                      "I think this forum would vastly improve in quality with Claude absent"

                                      Fixed

                                      Alt reply: Yes, we are all waiting with great anticipation for him to start telling them.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                            Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                            If this condition could only become contagious,
                            Right back at ya. It's post like yours that divide this community that are the real issue.



                            I'm sure WalkingCarpet would agree with you.
                            Is this the best you can do, really? Really high quality post.



                            You can't get much better quality than this,

                            http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...-products.html
                            Actually, the High Voltage Video Forum, which I moderate and am the main content contributor, is an entire sub forum filled with higher quality than that thread. If that's your best example of "quality", you need to just go away.


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                            Although hypocritical, I'm not surprised by the defensiveness of your post.


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                            And speaking of hypocrisy, which I actually anticipated you would claim, is your crying about posts you don't like, then can't handle when someone doesn't like your post.


                            Yes, I'm defensive, especially when someone makes offensive comments like your own above. If you can't take a rebuttal, don't dish it out.

                            Joking with other members isn't the problem with the OT forum. It's you and people like you who try to divide this community and throw a tantrum whenever someone doesn't post what you want others to post.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              It's post like yours that divide this community that are the real issue.
                              Nope. No attempts at division from me.

                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              your crying about posts you don't like, then can't handle when someone doesn't like your post.
                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              and throw a tantrum whenever someone doesn't post what you want others to post.
                              Nope. No crying or tantrums on this side of the keyboard. Just pointing out the facts.


                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              If you can't take a rebuttal, don't dish it out.
                              I don't think I'll have any problem with that.


                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              It's you and people like you who try to divide this community...
                              You're repeating yourself. Perhaps an attempt to make an invalid point, "dividing this community" come across as a fact.

                              It isn't.


                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              Joking with other members isn't the problem with the OT forum.
                              I'm sorry, straw men not allowed here. We are not talking about joking with other members.

                              We ARE talking about the multi-post rants by the emotionally needy Claudette's that quickly render a thread worthless. It is a HUGE aggravation to the Opening Poster and those who would otherwise be interested in the thread topic. It has been going on for some time and is an unnecessary degradation of the Warrior Forum.

                              I'll bet I'm not the only person that has rolled their eyes thinking "here we go again" at the sight of the first Claudashian post in a thread.

                              Just saying.

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                              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                                I'll bet I'm not the only person that has rolled their eyes thinking "here we go again" at the sight of the first Claudashian post in a thread.

                                Just saying.

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                                I'm with you, Brother.

                                I also roll my eyes and think, "Here I go again". I'm really getting tired of it.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                                  Here, in my opinion is a great opportunity for Claudashian posts in a thread.


                                  http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...big-frank.html

                                  Anybody who clicks into this thread already has an idea of what they are getting into.

                                  And!!! They are almost encouraged to bring out their inner-Claude.
                                  (If that's really possible.)

                                  Just saying.


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                                  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
                                    Now, back on topic.

                                    Are You Prejudiced?

                                    As a group, I am prejudiced against people with an entitlement mentality.


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                                    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                                      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                                      As a group, I am prejudiced against people with an entitlement mentality.
                                      I don't think that's prejudice, Joe. You simply dislike people who exhibit a particular characteristic. Now if, for example, you knew a couple of folks from Texas who had an entitlement mentality and that caused you to dislike all Texans - that would be prejudice. In other words, it would be an unfair or preconceived opinion of someone based solely on their membership of a specific social group, ethnicity etc.

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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              And you are the wind beneath my wings.

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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        I think that's being prejudiced, because it's not rational at all.
        Uh - there's a word for that. 'Irrational.' lol

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Probability isn't prejudice, it's math.

    If there's an 87% chance of rain in the local forecast, odds are it might rain.
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    Stamp out intolerance.
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      Originally Posted by agc View Post

      Stamp out intolerance.
      You go first. Let me know when you are finished.

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    Human perception may not be possible without prejudice. It means making pre-judgements when we don't know everything and it hasn't been scientifically proven or whatever. Without it, it would probably be impossible to survive. That said, we need to continually make adjustments to our perceptions according to facts rather than beliefs.
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  • Profile picture of the author mirko76
    Yes, I'm prejudiced. I think it's a survival strategy that's hardwired in our brains. But I've learned that every time I get over it, it enriched my life. A lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      The funny thing about prejudice is that I usually charge other people with being prejudice, when it is in fact me that is prejudice, lol.
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