Curiosity Finds Second Rover on Mars!

Shane, you think you have us fooled, but I, for one, know that the pic above is just a potato skin viewed through a microscope.

Holy crap! Is that Elvis?

Ah come on Shane - if you can't get a clearer pic than this, these posts are wasted. I can imagine anything I want from these pics. If there's more equip up there than ours, it's probably Russian. I don't remember them ever having to tell us what they've done or ask permission to do it. To tell me I'm supposed to even see the rover in this one is nonsense.

Also - you keep insisting that NASA is hiding something even though they make statements about what you say they're hiding. Note: Nasa says the redish sky is mostly due to dust storms. And water -I'm not sure when it runs, probably corresponding to spring thaw, but they know it does melt and run in some places at some times of year. You're not only reaching way far in your pics, but in what you seem to want to think they are "hiding" from us. They might be hiding stuff -- but when it says right on their website that there's water, clouds, red sky due to dust storms, that is NOT the stuff they are hiding.

I found a package in the bottom of my freezer labeled meat. I guess it's meat.

For those who were having trouble seeing it...

Shane - I think I posted the link on here once that showed where NASA said that water runs during the "spring" there. I'm not going to look it up again, but it was NASA that I first saw that from. I think the Russian scientists have also said so.

What I'm not sure of is the composition of the water. Because of the rock it's probably very irony and sulfury - - and I'm not sure the composition. Probably not the same composition of ours, but you figure that the surface of that planet gets to 70 degrees (possibly higher, but I know it goes that high) and there is ice on the planet, so some of it's going to melt at that temperature. I wouldn't make sense for them to deny there's ever any water running ever.

Also - there were shots of one hillside with grooves from spring runoff.

You must have missed new info. They've found a lake bed with rock suitable for fossilizing organic material and have sent Rover back to investigate further. I'd love to go there myself. The rock is silica..........and where there's a lot of silica, there's agate. Anyway - they have mud rock (fossilized mud) and quartz - and sandstone. So they're hoping for fossils.

Nobody in the sciences are quick to say no past life. From the impression I have is that they believe there was. Of some sort anyway - they are real cagy about expounding on that belief. They believe it, but don't say why the belief is so prevalent. It's present life that is doubtful. The planet doesn't recreate atmosphere like we do -- there seems to be no plate techtonics. and if you look at the surface.............it's old. Very old. Look at all the impact craters everywhere. Our atmosphere is thick enough to stop many by burning them up...and we have plate techtonics developing new crust continually so those impact craters we do have are churned off the surface over time. Because Mars has no plate techtonics, the ground also doesn't produce new atmosphere the way our planet does. Maybe the Martian earth used to have geological processes, but they're gone now, so it's dead as far as we can tell.

What I can say from everything I've read is that there seems to be the feeling in the scientific community that it's highly likely that there was life there in the past. That consensus seems to be strong enough to wonder if they have found artifacts of some sort. These questions won't be answered by pictures so pixilated that we can imagine anything we want from them.

As far as the pipe I saw..............I've looked at a lot more images since then. Not only Mars but others - especially rock that people post on my site to have it ID'd and when I blow those pics up to the point of pixilation -- I can see the same type of stuff in the rock. There are a few mars pics I've seen that were clear enough that they are extremely suggestive. Seems to definitely be junk up there at the least. Where it came from is the question.

I'm not saying that there can't be life of some sort, but from our perspective of what life is and how it works, it's going to have to be extremely different enough that we might not even recognize it as life if we are looking straight at it. So I think the question really amounts to -- exactly how much diversity of life physics can one star system support? None of us have the answer to that yet so imagination is allowed.

I will say that if they have any extremely clear, doubt free, evidence of past life that has any resemblance to our own, it might be real helpful in stemming the religious wars going on here if they would reveal it.