Hackers release stolen Ashley Madison customer data

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Sorry, kids, your Ashley Madison data just got released on the dark web.

The Ashley Madison Hackers Just Released All of Their Stolen Data
  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Sometimes karma really can be a b*tch.

    (Not that I'm feeling much sympathy in this case...)
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  • Profile picture of the author objectiveman
    I see a big uptick in the divorce lawyer industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author nmwf
    My feelings about hackers are pretty neutral, and honestly, with some political issues, I silently cheer them on. But in this case, and in many other cases, hackers can really be short-sighted.

    I don't support cheating - but I do support keeping families with children together even if cheating is a part of it. And these hackers might have just destroyed the homes of hundreds of thousands of kids all due to a personal opinion about how life "should" work.

    So I think it was a completely irresponsible act that will improve absolutely nothing. And I sincerely hope no one loses their life in a fit of rage --- cuz... you know, that's an unfortunate but realistic consequence. And that's something an **adult** would consider before doing crap like this.
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      Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

      I don't support cheating - but I do support keeping families with children together even if cheating is a part of it. And these hackers might have just destroyed the homes of hundreds of thousands of kids all due to a personal opinion about how life "should" work.
      Your analysis ignores one central fact - this isn't the 1800s. We now know that you can bring back a lot of things we didn't know about before to your partner/family. Cheating isn't just a morality issue. Its potentially a health issue as well and in many cases just on that basis the partner deserves to know.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        And these hackers might have just destroyed the homes of hundreds of thousands of kids
        You're blaming the hackers for destroying those homes....?? Seriously??
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    They would have be morons to use real identities & not have disposable debit cards/emails.

    Good luck with all that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      They would have be morons to use real identities & not have disposable debit cards/emails.

      Good luck with all that.
      True, but then a lot of cheaters are morons. (I'm sure some would argue they all are...)

      Part of the thrill of an affair (at least for some) is the risk of getting caught.
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      They would have be morons to use real identities & not have disposable debit cards/emails.

      Good luck with all that.
      Yukon, I think anyone stupid enough to cheat on spouse and family is probably not smart enough to actually cover their tracks. When I first started working, the very first lawyer I worked for, 60-some years old guy (and he definitely wasn't an attractive man--fat and balding) was a cheater.

      He was head of a small firm, on the board of this and that important company, gentleman farmer who got handouts from gov't. for doing or not doing certain things, took extended family on vacations...and had himself regularly tested for certain diseases...reports and bills all sent to the office. This man was also a married father of a rather large family of children (some pretty well grown.)

      Oh, I could go on and on, but the other people in the office knew he was a cheater and apparently didn't think it was necessary to cover all his tracks. Brilliant man, totally stupid in his personal life.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

        You're blaming the hackers for destroying those homes....?? Seriously??
        Originally Posted by AprilCT View Post

        Yukon, I think anyone stupid enough to cheat on spouse and family is probably not smart enough to actually cover their tracks. When I first started working, the very first lawyer I worked for, 60-some years old guy (and he definitely wasn't an attractive man--fat and balding) was a cheater.

        He was head of a small firm, on the board of this and that important company, gentleman farmer who got handouts from gov't. for doing or not doing certain things, took extended family on vacations...and had himself regularly tested for certain diseases...reports and bills all sent to the office. This man was also a married father of a rather large family of children (some pretty well grown.)

        Oh, I could go on and on, but the other people in the office knew he was a cheater and apparently didn't think it was necessary to cover all his tracks. Brilliant man, totally stupid in his personal life.
        Hmmm, Cat's and Owls, not a good combination!

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      They would have be morons to use real identities & not have disposable debit cards/emails.

      Good luck with all that.
      But they do ... apparently even highly recognizable names with legit addresses and credit card info. Josh Duggar has two accounts with his real name and real addresses and on the second account, paid $250 up front for what AM calls a "guaranteed affair." His accounts went inactive after the molestation bruhaha.

      How can they guarantee an affair unless it's hookers?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    From the article, this is interesting. A note from the hackers.

    Calling themselves the Impact Team, the hackers said:

    We have explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity of ALM and their members. Now everyone gets to see their data … Keep in mind the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95% of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world’s biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters. …

    Too bad for those men, they’re cheating dirtbags and deserve no such discretion. Too bad for ALM, you promised secrecy but didn’t deliver.…
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      From the article, this is interesting. A note from the hackers.
      Well that sorta explains everything, doesn't it? LoL
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      From the article, this is interesting. A note from the hackers.
      I have no proof of this, but it seems legit. A lot of those dating sites use fake profiles, and it makes sense to me Ashley Madison would load up on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Halcyon
    It's a shame when morality is confused with legality.

    Stealing people's personal data is wrong. No matter how self righteous the offender may feel. I find alcoholic spouses objectionable, but I couldn't justify stealing all the credit card numbers from the liquor store. I know it's not exactly the same thing but you get the idea.

    Secondly, how long will it be before "fake" list start appearing? How easy would it be for a jilted ex - lover ex-employee or all around nut job to use the hysteria to their advantage? Dubious CPA advertisers are already baiting the hook with promises of the "official list" . By the time this data makes it into mainstream, it'll be useless.

    Of course I don't condone adultery but there are just too many variables for this particular situation to turn out well. While we'd all love to see two-timing spouse get their comeuppance, true slime ball spouses will be able to weasel their way out of any real consequences and bored looky loos will have to sleep on the couch for months. Worse yet, some dude/dudette who wasn't even on the site gets caught up.

    BTW Hey everyone! How ya' doing?
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Originally Posted by Halcyon View Post

      It's a shame when morality is confused with legality.

      Stealing people's personal data is wrong.
      Halcyon, you make some very good points. And just to clarify, I'm not in any way condoning hacking. Just, in this particular case, not inclined to feel much sympathy for any legitimate cheaters who end up exposed as a result.

      I would guess (although I could be wrong) that very few names / info would be in that data because someone else put it there (as you suggested). That wouldn't be a good way to get revenge, unless the person behind it somehow knew in advance the hack was going to occur.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      "Life is short have an Affair"

      What a slogan.

      Sick people just truly sick
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  • Profile picture of the author Fat Stacks
    CPA Dating Affiliates are gonna cash in with that data lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author n3o
    where can i buy those data ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    Yeah, you can't blame the hackers for destroying the homes. They just pushed the issue to a head. Dude that can't keep his wang in his pants destroyed his family -- now he gets to answer to it.

    Probably pissed off some hacker who actually wanted to get laid using the site and found out it was a sausage party.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

      Personally, I hope they get the hackers and send them to jail for a good long while. Hacking and exposing member information is wrong whether it's on a cheating site or a bank. No one likes cheaters except those that they cheat with, but that doesn't make it right to expose their information.

      In fact, it's nobody's business if they cheat, except their families and those who think it's ok, the next site could be your information. It's not their boss's business if they cheat and it's not the public's business that they cheat and it's not the business of those hackers passing on their self-righteous moral indignation.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Just read this article and I believe he is right. I was thinking about this earlier today before this article and because of something I read, I thought this sounds like the work of women rather than a team of male hackers.

    John McAfee: Ashley Madison database stolen by lone female who worked for Avid Life Media
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  • Profile picture of the author b1gj4v
    A lone female? This definitely involves more than one person.

    Even the owner of the site has been caught cheating on his wife.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by b1gj4v View Post

      A lone female? This definitely involves more than one person.

      Even the owner of the site has been caught cheating on his wife.
      I disagree completely. One insider is all it would take to get the kind of info that was taken. Did you even read the article? And what does the owner of the site cheating on his wife have to do with anything at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    it is freely available on torrents, i couldnt be bothered
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

      it is freely available on torrents, i couldnt be bothered
      I'm not married or engaged. I have zero interest in who is on the list.

      I just found McAfee's analysis that the hacker is a woman insider to be very interesting and what I had been thinking myself due to several things I read from the "hackers". Like calling the cheaters scumbags and dirtbags. That's much more of a woman's reaction to cheaters than it is to men. And his analysis of the types of info gleaned and the effort it would require to get access to those areas.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I'm not married or engaged. I have zero interest in who is on the list.

        . Like calling the cheaters scumbags and dirtbags. That's much more of a woman's reaction to cheaters than it is to men. And his analysis of the types of info gleaned and the effort it would require to get access to those areas.
        They are cheaters and scumbags...there, does that change your perspective
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          As Kay might say I have no interest in this topic whatsoever and do not understand why this is even a Thread
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by discrat View Post

            As Kay might say I have no interest in this topic whatsoever and do not understand why this is even a Thread
            It's a thread because someone made it a thread. I don't normally post in the threads that don't interest me. I normally am interested in news about hackers, whether the victims are Sony, banks, or the likes of AM.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Interesting quote - had not seen it due to my growing ignore list. I ignore those who think they can speak for me - and I wonder why they bother to do it.

              After all, I wasn't the one who posted four times in this thread....

              I have no opinion on what other people do with or without their spouses - that's their business. I am a bit surprised so many people would need to ADVERTISE for an affair. That's a bit sad but to each his own.
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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                As Kay might say I have no interest in this topic whatsoever and do not understand why this is even a Thread

                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Interesting quote - had not seen it due to my growing ignore list. I ignore those who think they can speak for me - and I wonder why they bother to do it.

                After all, I wasn't the one who posted four times in this thread....

                I have no opinion on what other people do with or without their spouses - that's their business. I am a bit surprised so many people would need to ADVERTISE for an affair. That's a bit sad but to each his own.
                Oh please Kay you cannot take a little cheek and tongue humor.

                Of course it wasn't a direct quote from you and I was not speaking for you. Goodness gracious..

                I just remember you said something to a certain extent in past Threads and just playing with you. geesh !
                Did you not notice the the smiley face I put after it ? ( if anything I was showing how much I agree with you when it comes to some Threads)

                Oh well, I guess some people are bent on taking the Bar down here and themselves too seriously
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Interesting quote - had not seen it due to my growing ignore list. I ignore those who think they can speak for me - and I wonder why they bother to do it.

                After all, I wasn't the one who posted four times in this thread....

                I have no opinion on what other people do with or without their spouses - that's their business. I am a bit surprised so many people would need to ADVERTISE for an affair. That's a bit sad but to each his own.
                Kay ... I bumped the thread to post an analysis by a former computer security superstar, McAfee, on who the hacker is most likely to be. It's an interesting article by someone who knows computer security as well as anyone can.

                John McAfee: Ashley Madison database stolen by lone female who worked for Avid Life Media
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  In the first manifesto two names of male members were released. In describing one of them the perpetrator states the he "spitefully" joined Ashley Madison the day after Valentine's Day. Anyone who ever had a significant other knows that women rate Valentine's Day higher than Christmas, and men think so little of it that they have to remind each other the day is nearing. To call an act the day after Valentines Day "spiteful", is a thought that would enter few men's minds.
                  It's an interesting article - and I think he has something. The argument above made perfect sense to me

                  Guy really put in some work checking this out.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          They are cheaters and scumbags...there, does that change your perspective

          Nope. Not really. You didn't write the words until this thread. Did you read the article?
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            . Did you read the article?
            Refer to Post #29 and you will get your (Iam sure highly anticipated) answer to this
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    The McAfee article is interesting with respect to hacking. I think I use dirtbag, scumbag, and douchebag about the same to describe men like that. Cheater, to me, is maybe more of a woman's word, but he has a lot of other data to support his contention that it is an inside job. With networked computers and required reporting, I think a lot of data might not be exclusive to one workstation.

    It is sad to me that there have been some suicides and, no doubt, broken families because of the hack. I don't know why her parents are divorced, but I know a 13 year old girl who is having a hella bad time with the divorce and Mom's new boyfriend...

    Hannity took on the founder of Ashley Madison a couple of times. One time, the founder's wife was present, and she said she was supportive of his being a good business man. But her tone of voice and demeanor, to me, indicated she really was not keen on the business. I do think she is naïve about the potential for her hubby to cheat and is devastated by the fact that he did. She said, on Hannity's show, that she would be devastated if he did cheat.

    Everybody knows that revenge or spite is why some people cheat. I've had that 8 in a morning phone call from a woman asking if that credit card charge on their statement could be for anything other than one of my hotel rooms. (No, we don't have a restaurant or anything else.) She knew, other wise she would not be looking at their cc info at 8 in the morning. He was certainly shoving it in her face by using the cc.

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      It is sad to me that there have been some suicides and, no doubt, broken families because of the hack. I don't know why her parents are divorced, but I know a 13 year old girl who is having a hella bad time with the divorce and Mom's new boyfriend...
      Dan
      Cheating is a risky business. Every cheater must know that getting caught is a possibility. I don't believe that the suicides and broken homes were because of the hack. They could just have easily been found out the way most cheaters are found out .... friends tell your spouse, private investigators, credit card statements, etc. If you're prone to suicide, you probably shouldn't cheat and if you value your family, same thing goes. They took the chance and got caught. I don't blame wives/husbands one bit for wanting to divorce a cheater, so having the info for a spouse allows him/her to make decisions for their life.

      The truly awful part of this hack is that it was made public. I don't believe that anyone except the family has the right to know someone's personal business, including cheating. Bosses could use it to fire people, military could use it to court martial people, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaptainSEO1988
    I can't believe that avid life media still wants to continue the ashleymadison brand :S
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      Originally Posted by CaptainSEO1988 View Post

      I can't believe that avid life media still wants to continue the AM brand :S
      There are several lawsuits going right now and probably more to come. Avid Life was having financial problems to start with and were entertaining a sale of the site. They won't find a seller now and it wouldn't surprise me if they cease to exist after the lawsuits.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        This is really interesting and I wonder what the repercussions for the company will be. This is plain out fraud and should be acted on as such. Any other company taking money for a product and delivering a fake would be prosecuted.

        This writer has examined the files and these executive emails are damning.

        The Fembots of Ashley Madison

        In the data dump of Ashley Madison's internal emails, I found ample evidence that the company was actively paying people to create fake profiles. Sometimes they outsourced to companies who build fake profiles, like the ones Caitlin Dewey wrote about this week in the Washington Post. But many appear to have been generated by people working for Ashley Madison. The company even had a shorthand for these fake profiles--"angels." Perhaps this is a tip of the hat to Victoria's Secret models, also known as angels.

        Ashley Madison created their angels all over the world, and the dump contains dozens of emails where Avid Life Media management arranged to generate more. Here you can see a July 4, 2013 email from Avid Life Media's director of internal operations, Nora Abtan, to CEO Noel Biderman and other managers, with the subject "summary angels status":

        After the last launch meeting I just want to confirm on a few points to ensure that we are all on the same page.

        Please confirm the below:

        *India (June 11)*: 500 Angels complete (298 photos)

        *Japan (June 24)*: we hired a new resource who will focus on this. Keith confirmed that the angels will be ready for June 24.

        *Netherlands (July 15)*: Keith sent files to translation.com and confirmed that angels will be complete hopefully by July 15, but no later than the start of the media tour July 22

        *Portugal (July 15):* Keith needs help from Carlos team. Carlos confirmed that he can provide Keith with resources. Keith can complete the Angels hopefully by July 15, but no later than the start of the media tour July 22 using Carlos' resources

        *Hong Kong (August 1):* Keith, please put together a plan for this as well and share with us.

        In another email from October 27, 2012, with the subject line "profile builders," Biderman wonders whether they should contract with some more companies to create additional profiles:

        Wonder what countries they cover?

        * SalesProfiles.com

        * Evercurrent.com

        * Saledatingprofiles.com

        * Saledatingprofiles.net

        * Buyprofiles.com

        * and Profilenetwork.com

        An email chain between Sandra Simpson and an employee named Eduardo Borges, dated July 30, 2012, suggests that quality control on the angel profiles was actually pretty rigorous. Borges asks whether it's OK to reuse photos if they are in different states, and Simpson says no--she notes that many members travel and they might spot the duplicates. Then Simpson writes more about how to make angel profiles realistic (emphasis mine below):

        There needs to be some personal content written in the details along with the preselected choices. It doesn't have to be a lot, but there should be something personal in most of them.

        [In the profiles you provided] the Ethnicity were all set as Rather Not Say, they must be selected as multiple profiles all looking the same is an issue.

        There are dozens of other emails where employees share profiles using database ID numbers, and request for them to be reviewed to see whether they are up to snuff. Apparently the company had a lot of trouble with creating angels in Japan, as one email from Avid Life Media employee Simon Pawlowski suggests on June 3, 2013:

        This is really a comedy of errors for Japan. So the girl that was supposed to do the Ashley angels (a person Dave "knew" and recommended to Carlos), is not responding to Carols' emails on whether she can do the work. I told carols he should just use the people he interviewed himself.

        Madoka is doing the engager profile creation (username/captions) at this moment.

        On June 27, 2013, in an email thread with the subject line "how angels are made, "Noel Biderman scolded some of his employees for failing to create a decent automated process for making angels:

        I will tell you what the flaw is--simply listening to hourly employees complaints and then building an unmanageable system around their so called "creativity" block when all that needed to be done was to hire a group of language related individuals to manually build X number of profiles over the span of y month(s) and then have someone on the photo side add relevant and reliable images.

        What has been created now is a bureaucratic convoluted nightmare of a process that not only takes longer, costs more money, involves more "management" and ultimately produces a worse product.

        Over a year and half ago I approached the two of you to try to automate this system as I did not want to have a CSR level rep making mistakes that lead to transparency issues that they could not comprehend the impact of.

        Our ability to productize this approach failed but this nightmare of a quagmire stops now. We just need to learn how to properly staff up for a project and then staff down ...
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