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Thought that l should beat Claude on this one!

Great movie, well worth it!



And no blue sky shots were seen in the movie, (like above) probably because Fox Corporation needed NASA's help.

But after it was done,.....!

They did show clouds with lighting, and took a pot shot at NASA for making some dumb decisions.

So there is that!

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    What? No fluffy bunnies? How can it be taken seriously?
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      What? No fluffy bunnies? How can it be taken seriously?
      Yes, you know NASA, Photoshopped all the fluffy bunnies out!

      But they missed one or two, nibbling on his first crop. A crop without rabbits,...impossible.

      Besides he adopts recycling practices for his crops that would put China to shame, (enough said).



      PS the movie continues through some of the closing credits, but as far as l know there isn't anything at the end?
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        The movie got great reviews. I was going to see it today, but my wife isn't feeling well. Probably next weekend.


        Human rights groups are angry because the film doesn't include androids, cyborgs, bunnies, and vibrating children, disguised as rocks. Therefore it isn't authentic.

        I'm serious. Totally.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          The movie got great reviews. I was going to see it today, but my wife isn't feeling well. Probably next weekend.


          Human rights groups are angry because the film doesn't include androids, cyborgs, bunnies, and vibrating children, disguised as rocks. Therefore it isn't authentic.

          I'm serious. Totally.
          The audacity of your wife to feel ill, Hope she gets better soon.

          My wife has a cold and did her back in yesterday, hence.....

          You could use the old, just popping out for some grapes and headache pills trick. Three hours later, a lot of shops were closed dear, had to travel far to get the supplies.

          In desperation, looked for it online last night, too early, all I got were trailers.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            . . my wife isn't feeling well.
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            My wife has a cold and did her back in yesterday

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              Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

              I have to show this to my wife .
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  • Whooooooooooooooo Hooooooooooooo!

    Tellya, they gotta start fixin' up cinemas with mosh pits.

    Or a ban on mascara.

    No one should haveta look like someone wrung a frickin' squid out on their face.

    *For the record, I did NOT bawl my eyes out.*

    Stoopid thing is, I figured dancin' had futureproofed my posture and balance real good, but it's all I can do right now not to fall over on my ass 'cos my legs are behavin' independently of one another — and also the rules governin' the material cosmos generally.

    So, thanks, Matty Boy.

    You got me good this time, fired a real humdinger smack on my dreamocampus.

    Any more movies like this and I'm gonna need quarantinin'.

    *sigh*

    K, gonna pass out now.

    I been srsly Damoned.

    Boots, I can figure in the morning.

    Least I got my kick reflex back tryin' to flip the f*ckers off the end of my spazzo feet.

    Boots, yeah — then mebbe breakfast.
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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    The Martian | Teaser Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX - YouTube

    Thought that l should beat Claude on this one!

    Great movie, well worth it!



    And no blue sky shots were seen in the movie, (like above) probably because Fox Corporation needed NASA's help.

    But after it was done,.....!

    They did show clouds with lighting, and took a pot shot at NASA for making some dumb decisions.

    So there is that!






    Claude has a methane cloud following him around.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      The movie got great reviews. I was going to see it today, but my wife isn't feeling well. Probably next weekend.


      Human rights groups are angry because the film doesn't include androids, cyborgs, bunnies, and vibrating children, disguised as rocks. Therefore it isn't authentic.

      I'm serious. Totally.
      Yes, l can understand the robots one, you need at least one sexy female computer voice somewhere) But the Mars hab, part does have that!

      And it does have some 70's music, so!

      But l suppose Fox was trying to keep it as realistic as possible, and from what l saw they did a pretty good job.

      Can't keep it realistic with some stupid computer animated, robot running about.

      A bit like Castaway, Mission to Mars, (but without the cliche killing spree, or dodgy bugs) and Gravity, (but without the well,...stupid bits).

      Also keep your eyes out in the landscape shots, there are the occasional twisters here and there.

      But technically there is very little to fault, and you do get a good sense of being there.


      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

      Whooooooooooooooo Hooooooooooooo!

      Tellya, they gotta start fixin' up cinemas with mosh pits.

      Or a ban on mascara.

      No one should haveta look like someone wrung a frickin' squid out on their face.

      *For the record, I did NOT bawl my eyes out.*

      Stoopid thing is, I figured dancin' had futureproofed my posture and balance real good, but it's all I can do right now not to fall over on my ass 'cos my legs are behavin' independently of one another -- and also the rules governin' the material cosmos generally.

      So, thanks, Matty Boy.

      You got me good this time, fired a real humdinger smack on my dreamocampus.

      Any more movies like this and I'm gonna need quarantinin'.

      *sigh*

      K, gonna pass out now.

      I been srsly Damoned.

      Boots, I can figure in the morning.

      Least I got my kick reflex back tryin' to flip the f*ckers off the end of my spazzo feet.

      Boots, yeah -- then mebbe breakfast.
      Could we have that in English?

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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Yes, l can understand the robots one, you need at least one sexy female computer voice somewhere) But the Mars hab, part does have that!

        And it does have some 70's music, so!

        But l suppose Fox was trying to keep it as realistic as possible, and from what l saw they did a pretty good job.

        Can't keep it realistic with some stupid computer animated, robot running about.

        A bit like Castaway, Mission to Mars, (but without the cliche killing spree, or dodgy bugs) and Gravity, (but without the well,...stupid bits).

        Also keep your eyes out in the landscape shots, there are the occasional twisters here and there.

        But technically there is very little to fault, and you do get a good sense of being there.




        Could we have that in English?

        You need to train yourself in "Balestra English". It's of Gipsy origins with a mix of cellphone texting dialect and Crack Cocaine. Really out there but the narrative is quite intelligent.
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        • Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          quite intelligent
          Been wearin' this on my lapel all mornin' as a badge of honor and it sure is havin' a positive effect on my relations with other people.

          Raced out early, so I didn't figure the Crack Cocaine Smokin' Romany Freako label for the other lapel.

          Shame -- I have a presentation later and I badly need everyone onside.

          Also, point about the squids is that the NASA guys mebbe discovered their ancient water flume in that thar canyon thang.

          Gotta figure way back to a time when wibblo wobblo Cthulhoid entities hung out on Mars instead of stranded dreamy guys who turn your legs to jelly.

          (OK, unless you're Kurt.)

          After a day trashin' the universe with your loveable ole brand of evil, what better way could there be to chill out yer tentacles than to whoosh down a buncha recurrin' slope lineae and plunge into a pool fulla drownin' dinosaurs, there to feast?

          See, I don't buy this 'asteroid responsible for dinosaur extinction' schwango.

          I figure it was Martian squids chillin' out on a 'Pluck 'em from Mother E & F*ck 'em Someplace H2O-y' ticket.

          Guess we're just waitin' on the science.

          Tellya, I'm lovin' this millennium right now.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

            Been wearin' this on my lapel all mornin' as a badge of honor and it sure is havin' a positive effect on my relations with other people.

            Raced out early, so I didn't figure the Crack Cocaine Smokin' Romany Freako label for the other lapel.

            Shame -- I have a presentation later and I badly need everyone onside.

            Also, point about the squids is that the NASA guys mebbe discovered their ancient water flume in that thar canyon thang.

            Gotta figure way back to a time when wibblo wobblo Cthulhoid entities hung out on Mars instead of stranded dreamy guys who turn your legs to jelly.

            (OK, unless you're Kurt.)

            After a day trashin' the universe with your loveable ole brand of evil, what better way could there be to chill out yer tentacles than to whoosh down a buncha recurrin' slope lineae and plunge into a pool fulla drownin' dinosaurs, there to feast?

            See, I don't buy this 'asteroid responsible for dinosaur extinction' schwango.

            I figure it was Martian squids chillin' out on a 'Pluck 'em from Mother E & F*ck 'em Someplace H2O-y' ticket.

            Guess we're just waitin' on the science.

            Tellya, I'm lovin' this millennium right now.
            Ok, understood about 87% of that, Martian Squid must be referring to the Prometheus Movie?

            But thankfully there where no exploding, animated heads in this one!

            You will never get me speaking like that....

            But, it does give this movie, a Wilson, leave him, or the dark NASA covering Squid army, at the deepest watering hole, some leyway?

            Refreshing, but headache inducing!

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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Can't keep it realistic with some stupid computer animated, robot running about.
        It doesn't have to be computer animated. Imagine running into this thing on the street tomorrow.

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          You need to train yourself in "Balestra English". It's of Gipsy origins with a mix of cellphone texting dialect and Crack Cocaine. Really out there but the narrative is quite intelligent.
          I bet if l ran that through Google translate, it would say, "You Sh*** Me!

          Besides there are no Squids on Mars!!!!

          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          Yeah, but it wasn't his fault in Insteller, the unfrozen nutter did it!

          It doesn't have to be computer animated. Imagine running into this thing on the street tomorrow.
          LOL, if this was in the movie, it would be like Ja Ja all over again, and l would be thinking, for f*** sake, destroy it!

          But they did have a robot of sorts later in the movie, (can't say any more).

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    Matt Damon is good, but Ray Walston is my favorite Martian.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom


      No, he didn't find any ruins on Mars, but the cylinder type thing doesn't look natural?



      Another reflective rock, showing Curiosity, (left arrow) and what look like high, white clouds, or rain clouds, definitely didn't have any of those in the movie.

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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post



        No, he didn't find any ruins on Mars, but the cylinder type thing doesn't look natural?



        Another reflective rock, showing Curiosity, (left arrow) and what look like high, white clouds, or rain clouds, definitely didn't have any of those in the movie.

        That's natural rock. Not even natural rock that looks any differint from what we have here in NV. Sorry.

        Also - that OP pick of the Martian - that's blue sky. It's just got dust flying, so the filming crew didn't listen that hard to NASA.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          That's natural rock. Not even natural rock that looks any differint from what we have here in NV. Sorry.

          Also - that OP pick of the Martian - that's blue sky. It's just got dust flying, so the filming crew didn't listen that hard to NASA.
          This so-called "rock" looks a lot like a weapon.

          tagiscom is right --- we should nuke it before they activate it.

          Probably your government is hiding the truth because the truth would

          1)cause mass panic which would cause billions of damage to corporations. --- Most notably to walmart which is the real power behind the throne.
          2)your leaders would be exposed as the pawns of illegal aliens
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

            This so-called "rock" looks a lot like a weapon.

            tagiscom is right --- we should nuke it before they activate it.

            Probably your government is hiding the truth because the truth would

            1)cause mass panic which would cause billions of damage to corporations. --- Most notably to walmart which is the real power behind the throne.
            2)your leaders would be exposed as the pawns of illegal aliens
            If you see some guys in white suits, headed towards your home, don't panic!

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    Ok, just got back from seeing it. Not bad at all. You should definitely take duct tape to Mars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Ok, just got back from seeing it. Not bad at all. You should definitely take duct tape to Mars.
      Just saw it. Thought it was a great movie. Matt Damon did a fantastic job. Lots of gallows humor. "We left you there because we don't like you" was funny.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Just saw it. Thought it was a great movie. Matt Damon did a fantastic job. Lots of gallows humor. "We left you there because we don't like you" was funny.
        He might have just about got his potato farm going again if he had been stuck there longer, not clear if his water producing plant was destroyed though or he could reproduce it. Imagine, he would end up with just potato's and water to consume, carbs and no protein.

        I suppose it would have been impossible to get 6 people to the other lander using that buggy had they not left and the original lander was blown over, Even with the modifications. There could have been a way of anchoring it down to the bedrock when they landed if storms were a possibility.

        I would have incorporated a backup lander on the orbiting craft and a couple of crew left up there to rescue them. The protection of the habitats certainly remained in place.

        Still, good effort though and entertaining.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Just saw it. Thought it was a great movie. Matt Damon did a fantastic job. Lots of gallows humor. "We left you there because we don't like you" was funny.
          Yes, no doubt you laughed out loud, when he made the Ironman remark?

          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          He might have just about got his potato farm going again if he had been stuck there longer, not clear if his water producing plant was destroyed though or he could reproduce it. Imagine, he would end up with just potato's and water to consume, carbs and no protein.

          I suppose it would have been impossible to get 6 people to the other lander using that buggy had they not left and the original lander was blown over, Even with the modifications. There could have been a way of anchoring it down to the bedrock when they landed if storms were a possibility.

          I would have incorporated a backup lander on the orbiting craft and a couple of crew left up there to rescue them. The protection of the habitats certainly remained in place.

          Still, good effort though and entertaining.
          Yes, l like his solution to warming the buggy?

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          He might have just about got his potato farm going again if he had been stuck there longer, not clear if his water producing plant was destroyed though or he could reproduce it. Imagine, he would end up with just potato's and water to consume, carbs and no protein.
          .
          No. The potatoes were all frozen. That's why he couldn't plant them again. He could still eat them, but not plant them. My assumption is that frozen potatoes will no longer bud.

          This movie was rare in that I didn't spend the entire movie, faulting the logic or physics of the movie. It was so entertaining, that I just got lost in the story...I think the mark of a great movie.

          There are bound to be plenty of quotes coming from this movie. The jabs the crew threw at each other, were well written.
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          • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            No. The potatoes were all frozen. That's why he couldn't plant them again. He could still eat them, but not plant them. My assumption is that frozen potatoes will no longer bud.

            This movie was rare in that I didn't spend the entire movie, faulting the logic or physics of the movie. It was so entertaining, that I just got lost in the story...I think the mark of a great movie.

            There are bound to be plenty of quotes coming from this movie. The jabs the crew threw at each other, were well written.
            True, getting lost in the story, or feeling like you are really there, (the sound effects with the air running out scene, (first one) were faultless, was my favorite part.

            Sci Fi at it's finest!

            And unlike Gravity the space scene wasn't dumb, yay!

            I have to admit that l didn't catch on to some scenes, (why did he travel away from the habitat after mentioning driving away to get to the alternative landing site) but it made sense eventually!

            May have to see it again, when the crowds thin, and will probably get it on DVD!

            The other interesting thing about this movie that there wasn't any predictable crap to content with. You know he or she does something really stupid and out of character to develop the plot!

            Or they get to Mars and some micro asteroids total the ship, (eventhough the odd's are slim.

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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              The gravity of Mars is about a third of what it is on Earth. They seemed to ignore that.

              On the other hand, once you got used to it, I guess everything would just be lighter.
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                The gravity of Mars is about a third of what it is on Earth. They seemed to ignore that.

                On the other hand, once you got used to it, I guess everything would just be lighter.
                Did you see any indication of what year the movie was supposed to be set in. Nothing much made to look that advanced on earth. You would think 2030 or perhaps an ALT now.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Did you see any indication of what year the movie was supposed to be set in. Nothing much made to look that advanced on earth. You would think 2030 or perhaps an ALT now.
                  The suits looked advanced. Not like what they would wear now. And the main ship looked way beyond anything we could do now. 2030-2040 maybe?

                  Think of any time in the last 50 years, and how they thought the world would be different 20 years in their future. In almost every way, we project huge changes that take much longer than we assumed. In internet and phone technology, you see exceptions to that.

                  You remember 1975? We thought we would have flying cars, android servants, immortality, teleportation, and food that came in a pill....all by the year 2000.

                  Think of the reality. We went to the moon as part of a space race for military purposes (meaning that it was our military that prompted the race).

                  But now, NASA isn't getting the funding they used to. And there isn't an international competition to get to Mars for a military reason, or for resources. In other words, we don't have a national threat to cause a Mars mission to become a priority.

                  A ship like in the movie, may never appear. We really need a national threat to prompt such an investment. Getting to Mars and returning is far far more expensive than getting to the moon. And we only got to the Moon, so we could be the first, for political and military reasons (which elude me right now)

                  These ideas may stay in the "planning stages" for decades to come, or may never really materialize at all. That's not to say that just developing the technology for a manned mission to Mars, wouldn't throw off amazing technologies that we could use on Earth.

                  But I would be amazed and impressed if we saw a manned mission to Mars in the next 20 years.

                  By the way, I just watched the movie Parallels on Netflix. It's about travelling to parallel Earths. It was interesting, but had an abrupt ending, that explained very little.
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                  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    The suits looked advanced. Not like what they would wear now. And the main ship looked way beyond anything we could do now. 2030-2040 maybe?

                    Think of any time in the last 50 years, and how they thought the world would be different 20 years in their future. In almost every way, we project huge changes that take much longer than we assumed. In internet and phone technology, you see exceptions to that.

                    You remember 1975? We thought we would have flying cars, android servants, immortality, teleportation, and food that came in a pill....all by the year 2000.

                    Think of the reality. We went to the moon as part of a space race for military purposes (meaning that it was our military that prompted the race).

                    But now, NASA isn't getting the funding they used to. And there isn't an international competition to get to Mars for a military reason, or for resources. In other words, we don't have a national threat to cause a Mars mission to become a priority.

                    A ship like in the movie, may never appear. We really need a national threat to prompt such an investment. Getting to Mars and returning is far far more expensive than getting to the moon. And we only got to the Moon, so we could be the first, for political and military reasons (which elude me right now)

                    These ideas may stay in the "planning stages" for decades to come, or may never really materialize at all. That's not to say that just developing the technology for a manned mission to Mars, wouldn't throw off amazing technologies that we could use on Earth.

                    But I would be amazed and impressed if we saw a manned mission to Mars in the next 20 years.

                    By the way, I just watched the movie Parallels on Netflix. It's about travelling to parallel Earths. It was interesting, but had an abrupt ending, that explained very little.
                    I often look at the tech used in a film set in the current time that it was made (aside from the clothes, hairstyles, decor and cars) as I like to guess what year or decade it might have been filmed. Like, cop drama, no computers on the desk, no clunky cellular phones, 1970's, clunky computers on the desk with mono screens and text input, no mouse, early eighties.

                    Say if the film was set in 2030: Fifteen years ago (in real life) we had clunky cathode ray tube monitors, then lcd, wide screen versions and now led, higher def versions. So, the tech in another 15 years would have changed a bit. Voice recognition would be a lot better, hologramatical projection perhaps etc. So my thoughts were on that side the tech used in the film was very much current day, back on Earth and in the habitat.
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                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                      I often look at the tech used in a film set in the current time that it was made (aside from the clothes, hairstyles, decor and cars) as I like to guess what year or decade it might have been filmed. Like, cop drama, no computers on the desk, no clunky cellular phones, 1970's, clunky computers on the desk with mono screens and text input, no mouse, early eighties.

                      Say if the film was set in 2030: Fifteen years ago (in real life) we had clunky cathode ray tube monitors, then lcd, wide screen versions and now led, higher def versions. So, the tech in another 15 years would have changed a bit. Voice recognition would be a lot better, hologramatical projection perhaps etc. So my thoughts were on that side the tech used in the film was very much current day, back on Earth and in the habitat.
                      Good stuff, and I agree. I was talking mostly about the main ship. It was huge.. It might cost a trillion dollars to make a ship like that. I'm nearly certain that it would be an international effort, just to pay for it.

                      As for the habitat,suits, vehicles...gear, 15 years isn't unreasonable. Some of that may be feasible now. But that ship is not something we'll see in the next decade or two, unless space travel becomes a priority, and it isn't right now.
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                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Did you see any indication of what year the movie was supposed to be set in. Nothing much made to look that advanced on earth. You would think 2030 or perhaps an ALT now.
                  From the book's author, Andy Weir:

                  I want to give a shout-out to a fellow nerd named Kenny Ray.

                  When writing The Martian, I was as scientifically accurate as possible. I even worked out the orbital trajectories that they took to get to and from Mars. I had to write software to help me work out a constantly-accelerating orbital path. I also had to find a launch window such that Earth and Mars were properly positioned.

                  So I had to pick a real-world date for the launch of Ares 3. I never specifically tell the reader any dates, but I had a spreadsheet to tell me the actual date of each sol. And of course everything that was date-sensitive is accurate (like transmission times, etc.)

                  Kenny was able to back-calculate the actual dates from information in the book. He emailed me his findings and he was absolutely right. So, for being the first person to work that out, he gets a free signed copy of the book.

                  For the curious: Ares 3 launched on July 7, 2035. They landed on Mars (Sol 1) on November 7, 2035. The story begins on Sol 6, which is November 12, 2035.

                  Well done, Kenny!
                  Source: https://m.facebook.com/462962073803090/photos/a.463868883712409.1073741828.462962073803090/682817308484231/?type=1

                  So if the movie stays true to the book, then the story begins in November 2035.
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                    How to make Mat Damon Walk On Mars. Short FX vid.

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                      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

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                      Strange. It just occurred to me that I now weight about 275 pounds. When I was 20, and far stronger, I weighed 165 pounds. I had very strong legs....but I didn't leap when I ran, and walked just like everyone else.


                      So, I guess on Mars, you'd just quickly adapt, to keep your balance, and just walk normally.

                      In the movie John Carter, from the John Carter On Mars books....it shows the guy leaping hundreds of feet, and swinging boulders that weigh a ton. So, it's a gross exaggeration.
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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Strange. It just occurred to me that I now weight about 275 pounds.

                        You're the perfect weight for your height...if you were 7'6" tall.
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                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          You're the perfect weight for your height...if you were 7'6" tall.
                          In other words,

                          Claude's not overweight, just a foot and a half too short?


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                          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                          In other words,

                          Claude's not overweight, just a foot and a half too short?


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                          Thank you, Terra. You have Kurt on the run.



                          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                          You're the perfect weight for your height...if you were 7'6" tall.
                          I am the perfect weight for a 60 year old man that eats as much as four normal people, and doesn't care what he looks like.
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                            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                            In other words,

                            Claude's not overweight, just a foot and a half too short?


                            Terra
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            Thank you, Terra. You have Kurt on the run.
                            At least I can run...


                            And, in other words, if Claude was 5'5" he'd be even "obeser".
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                              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                              At least I can run...


                              And, in other words, if Claude was 5'5" he'd be even "obeser".
                              Yes Kurt. It is true that if anyone had the same weight...but was shorter, they would be more obese.

                              Thank you, Captain Obvious.
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                                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                Yes Kurt. It is true that if anyone had the same weight...but was shorter, they would be more obese.

                                Thank you, Captain Obvious.
                                Yes Claude. It is true that if anyone had the same weight...but was taller, they would be more thin.

                                Thank you, Captain Oblivious.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                  Yes Claude. It is true that if anyone had the same weight...but was taller, they would be more thin.

                                  Thank you, Captain Oblivious.
                                  Kurt;

                                  I'm not kidding when I say this. This post is beneath you. You're insults are generally the stuff of legend, and I savor the intellectual beating I take at the end of your substantial wit.

                                  But.....is this one of the insults you paid Mark to write for you? Even for Mark, this isn't good.

                                  In fact, the real insult is that you wasted my time with it. I didn't even cry a little.

                                  I'm thinking of asking for a refund.
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                                  Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                  Yes Claude. It is true that if anyone had the same weight...but was taller, they would be more thin.

                                  Thank you, Captain Oblivious.
                                  Or in other words, Captain Unconscious or Captain Incognizant ?

                                  Sorry, I couldn't resist.


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                                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                                    Or in other words, Captain Unconscious or Captain Incognizant ?

                                    Sorry, I couldn't resist.


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                                    Captain Incontinent.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                      Good stuff, and I agree. I was talking mostly about the main ship. It was huge.. It might cost a trillion dollars to make a ship like that. I'm nearly certain that it would be an international effort, just to pay for it.

                                      As for the habitat,suits, vehicles...gear, 15 years isn't unreasonable. Some of that may be feasible now. But that ship is not something we'll see in the next decade or two, unless space travel becomes a priority, and it isn't right now.
                                      A trillion Nah, they just took part of the international spacestation and fitted it onto the rotating part, etc.

                                      It is probably a good way to build something like this, use old, (well, in 10, 15 years it would be) parts from the international spacestation, add other parts that would be tethered to the spacestation, and build it over time, when budgets allow?

                                      A bit like renovating a house, do a bit at a time when budgets allow, and buy new when necessary?

                                      In this way they could probably pull it off for less than 30 billion? But it would take some time to build it!


                                      If we straightened the space station now, and added a thruster to it, we could put it into the moons orbit.

                                      Mars, we would need a rotating part, as well as overhauling the design.

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                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Strange. It just occurred to me that I now weight about 275 pounds. When I was 20, and far stronger, I weighed 165 pounds. I had very strong legs....but I didn't leap when I ran, and walked just like everyone else.


                        So, I guess on Mars, you'd just quickly adapt, to keep your balance, and just walk normally.

                        In the movie John Carter, from the John Carter On Mars books....it shows the guy leaping hundreds of feet, and swinging boulders that weigh a ton. So, it's a gross exaggeration.
                        Alleged footage of the moon walking astronauts show them being able to do little leaps and bounds but there, they are only a tenth of the weight. Forty percent is as you say, is just you, years ago. Apart from having the courage to think that you might be able to jump over a gate and be able to run a bit faster I would not think there would be much difference.

                        Being able to pick up objects that would be too heavy to pick up if they were here is interesting . How far could a pitcher throw an earth weight baseball on Mars, gravity and composition of the thin atmosphere would both factor in. You could also perhaps run faster still because of lack of air resistance.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          Alleged footage of the moon walking astronauts show them being able to do little leaps and bounds but there, they are only a tenth of the weight. Forty percent is as you say, is just you, years ago. Apart from having the courage to think that you might be able to jump over a gate and be able to run a bit faster I would not think there would be much difference.

                          Being able to pick up objects that would be too heavy to pick up if they were here is interesting.

                          Interesting stuff.
                          The astronauts on the Moon were also carrying huge and heavy back packs, so the weight difference wasn't that much. And the air pressure in the suits made it very hard to maneuver in them.

                          For awhile, I practiced my Kung Fu with 8 pound shot puts in my hands, My theory was, my reflexes would become quicker, and my punches harder. That isn't what happened. So, I did some studying on the physics of using a weighted hand while punching., and by extension, throwing a ball in lower gravity, and less air resistance. I know, I spend my time thinking of weird things.


                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          How far could a pitcher throw an earth weight baseball on Mars, gravity and composition of the thin atmosphere would both factor in. You could also perhaps run faster because of lack of air resistance.
                          A pitcher wouldn't be able to aim as well, because the nervous system is already adjusting for air resistance, weight of the ball, and gravity......so the throw would be less accurate. (and that's what I found in my weighted punches)

                          The lower gravity would help, but the nearly nonexistent atmosphere would help a lot.

                          But running. We could leap higher, because of the lowered gravity, and run a little faster. But we can't run fast enough for wind resistance to be a major factor. And....neurologically, we can't move our legs much faster to run in a coordinated way.
                          How fast do you think an astronaut could run in zero gravity, with no air resistance? (assuming a surface to run on) Not much faster than we can run now.

                          And....our biggest problem to overcome isn't air resistance or gravity, it's the momentum our legs generate when moving on one direction. Running is a series of back and forth movements. No matter what the gravity, we have to overcome the force of the legs moving forward, to move them backward.

                          It's the single overriding reason nobody runs at 50 miles an hour. Overcoming the force generated by our limbs becomes impossible. If we ran at 100 miles an hour, our limbs would pull out of their sockets, and our tendons would tear.

                          And leaping? we can't leap all that much higher, even in much lowered gravity. It isn't the strength of the legs, but the speed we can contract our muscles. We simply cannot contract our muscles fast enough to generate any real height.

                          I'm not guessing. Sports physiologists have asked the same questions, and came up with the same answers.

                          Interesting stuff.
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                          • Tryin' to keep up with the science here, but is it true that if anyone had the same weight...but was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay wider, mebbe Mars mighta fallen on 'em?
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    I was not impressed with The Martian especially since Ridley Scott directed it. Matt Damon was excellent but I was not impressed with the rest of the cast. Jeff Daniels seemed like he walked off the set of The Newsroom and stayed in his Will McAvoy character. Jessica Chastain as the captain of the ship was beyond belief as well as Kate Mara as one of the crew members. Kirsten Wiig was also very distracting and ill cast. When making serious decisions, they were too busy smiling and joking around. No way anyone on a 500 day journey would act like this. I guess I was expecting a darker, more foreboding tone to the movie. I never felt that there was any real suspense that a signature Scott movie is known for. I gave it 6 out of 10 stars to be nice. I wouldn't watch it again.
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      Originally Posted by havyhavy View Post

      I was not impressed with The Martian especially since Ridley Scott directed it. Matt Damon was excellent but I was not impressed with the rest of the cast. Jeff Daniels seemed like he walked off the set of The Newsroom and stayed in his Will McAvoy character. Jessica Chastain as the captain of the ship was beyond belief as well as Kate Mara as one of the crew members. Kirsten Wiig was also very distracting and ill cast. When making serious decisions, they were too busy smiling and joking around. No way anyone on a 500 day journey would act like this. I guess I was expecting a darker, more foreboding tone to the movie. I never felt that there was any real suspense that a signature Scott movie is known for. I gave it 6 out of 10 stars to be nice. I wouldn't watch it again.
      Well, l am not so sure about that?

      If the Apollo astranauts got back and there was another rocket on standby l am sure most or all wouldn't hesitate to go to the moon again.

      Or in this case, see Mars.

      Unique environments or experiences don't come around that often, especially with dodgy NASA funding, although in this movie NASA seemed to have deep pockets?

      And the Apollo astranauts did joke around on the way to the moon, and while walking about on the moon, eventhough they were a hairs breath away from certain death.

      Well, if the main engine on the Apollo module failed, then they would be dead within a few days, (there was no way to save them in time).

      About all they could do back then is fire a rocket at their location with oxygen tanks, etc and hope to survives the impact or doesn't hit the lunar module?

      So l agree that the commander was a little wooden, but stiff upper lip and all of that?

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