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Extraordinary Coincidences

by lanfear63
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How many of you have had them? A thought pops into your head and within 24 hours something related to it happens to you, somone brings the subject up, a news item perhaps talking about what you were thinking about, completely unprompted. Happened to me many times.

The night before last I was lamenting the demise of my old computer about 6 months ago, not having some IM software available anymore having lost it or the details of the site that sold it and even forgetting what it was called.

One bit of software that built e-commerce sites I had bought about 8 months ago. Was planning to use it and then the crash. I could not even remember what it was called. I really wanted to get it back but no way of doing so. Yesterday, I get an email, I recognised the name, jogged my memory attached was a complete new copy of the software, updated. No contact before from the Vendor since I bought it and I remember the software had an auto-update feature within it?.

So, you start thinking about something and totally unprompted, the subject or related event comes up within 24 hours, not a case of oh, you were looking for it to happen, no, it was thrust in your face?

Happened to anyone, any stories!
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    My wife and I can never agree on baby names. It's basically become a running gag in our house.

    "Hey, how about Cornicopious Jackson Riffle...for a girl?"

    "No. What about Wolfgang Titan Riffle. We'll just call him "The Wolf"?

    This goes on and on and has for nearly seventeen years.


    Except for a girl's name.


    A few years ago, I was reading a story about a suburb of Columbus and it just hit me. The suburb name would be a great name for a girl, but not something you've ever thought of in that context.

    I call my wife and tell her I've got the name for a girl. Before I can say it, my wife says it. The exact name, even the corresponding middle name.

    My wife hadn't read the article I read, but had recently spent the weekend in Columbus with her mother. They did some shopping in the suburb and she'd been thinking about the name ever since.

    At the time, it felt like she plucked the name right out of my brain.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      My wife and I can never agree on baby names. It's basically become a running gag in our house.

      "Hey, how about Cornicopious Jackson Riffle...for a girl?"

      "No. What about Wolfgang Titan Riffle. We'll just call him "The Wolf"?

      This goes on and on and has for nearly seventeen years.


      Except for a girl's name.


      A few years ago, I was reading a story about a suburb of Columbus and it just hit me. The suburb name would be a great name for a girl, but not something you've ever thought of in that context.

      I call my wife and tell her I've got the name for a girl. Before I can say it, my wife says it. The exact name, even the corresponding middle name.

      My wife hadn't read the article I read, but had recently spent the weekend in Columbus with her mother. They did some shopping in the suburb and she'd been thinking about the name ever since.

      At the time, it felt like she plucked the name right out of my brain.
      When my younger brother was born, it took my parents more than three months to finally come up with a name for him. Until they finally settled on the name Stuart, he was known as Geronimo (Dad was a fan of western movies).
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        When my younger brother was born, it took my parents more than three months to finally come up with a name for him. Until they finally settled on the name Stuart, he was known as Geronimo (Dad was a fan of western movies).
        There's no one by the name Stuart Gulberry to be found on internet. Your brother lives a quiet life
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        When my younger brother was born, it took my parents more than three months to finally come up with a name for him. Until they finally settled on the name Stuart, he was known as Geronimo (Dad was a fan of western movies).
        When I was born my parents got a little Beagle puppy. No one could decide on a name for her so she was known as puppy her whole life. I've always been thankful I wasn't that dog
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by ThomM View Post

          When I was born my parents got a little Beagle puppy. No one could decide on a name for her so she was known as puppy her whole life. I've always been thankful I wasn't that dog
          How old were you when you legally changed your name from Baby to Thom?
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    How many of you have had them? A thought pops into your head and within 24 hours something related to it happens to you, somone brings the subject up, a news item perhaps talking about what you were thinking about, completely unprompted.
    We're exposed to billions of stimuli every waking second. How many individual thoughts have gone through your mind in the last minute? The last hour? Probably impossible to calculate, but the answer would likely surprise you.

    What would be truly extraordinary is if extraordinary coincidences didn't happen.

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      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      How many individual thoughts have gone through your mind in the last minute?

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      My guess, knowing Mark as I do, 4.
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        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        My guess, knowing Mark as I do, 4.
        More likely it's the same one, four times.

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      We're exposed to billions of stimuli every waking second. How many individual thoughts have gone through your mind in the last minute? The last hour? Probably impossible to calculate, but the answer would likely surprise you.

      What would be truly extraordinary is if extraordinary coincidences didn't happen.

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      That may be true but I'm talking about where we are obsessing and really concentrating on one thing for a period of time like I was the other night, If I could just get that software back, how can I retrace my steps and get it back. These are not just fleeting thoughts but occupied my mind for a considerable period of time. It's these times when the coincidence comes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        That may be true but I'm talking about where we are obsessing and really concentrating on one thing for a period of time like I was the other night, If I could just get that software back, how can I retrace my steps and get it back. These are not just fleeting thoughts but occupied my mind for a considerable period of time. It's these times when the coincidence comes.
        My Friend;

        No. It's these times that you notice the coincidence. The fact that you were concentrating is immaterial. I know it feels like it matters, but it doesn't.

        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        We're exposed to billions of stimuli every waking second. How many individual thoughts have gone through your mind in the last minute? The last hour? Probably impossible to calculate, but the answer would likely surprise you.

        What would be truly extraordinary is if extraordinary coincidences didn't happen.

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        Of course, that's the answer. We never notice when coincidences don't happen, only when they do. So they take on more importance, because we noticed them.

        You think of a person, the phone rings, and it's them. What you ignore is all the times you thought of the person, and they didn't call. You don't think of all the times they called, and you weren't thinking of them.

        Because I'm evil, I have done this once or twice. I call someone, and they say, "Weird, I was just thinking about you" and I say, "I know, that's why I called".
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          My Friend;

          No. It's these times that you notice the coincidence. The fact that you were concentrating is immaterial. I know it feels like it matters, but it doesn't.



          Of course, that's the answer. We never notice when coincidences don't happen, only when they do. So they take on more importance, because we noticed them.

          You think of a person, the phone rings, and it's them. What you ignore is all the times you thought of the person, and they didn't call. You don't think of all the times they called, and you weren't thinking of them.

          Because I'm evil, I have done this once or twice. I call someone, and they say, "Weird, I was just thinking about you" and I say, "I know, that's why I called".
          I wish I had wrote down all the times that events following the concentrated thoughts have actually resolved the problem or at least noted related material pertaining to it popping up the next day, inexplicably, but seemingly in the most natural way. I think it would be much more than chance. You will notice I am not going anywhere spiritual or talking about karma etc with this. Just noting that It happens a lot to me.

          And if you look at Dan's story, two people doing two different, unremarkable things reach the same thought. The way it comes about I find interesting.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

            I wish I had wrote down all the times that events following the concentrated thoughts have actually resolved the problem or at least noted related material pertaining to it popping up the next day, inexplicably, but seemingly in the most natural way. I think it would be much more than chance. You will notice I am not going anywhere spiritual or talking about karma etc with this. Just noting that It happens a lot to me.

            And if you look at Dan's story, two people doing two different, unremarkable things reach the same thought. The way it comes about I find interesting.
            It's interesting, I agree. But how many days has Riffle and his wife been married? Thousands? This is the first time this has happened. What about the millions of exchanges they have had, where this didn't happen?

            How many thoughts have you and I had today, so far? How many exchanges with our wives? What about the last year? Millions of thoughts have been exchanged. And that's just between you and your wife. How about everyone you know. How about everything you learn happens in the world?...over your whole life?

            Any connection to you at all, is instantly picked up and brought to your consciousness. And you ignore when there is no connection.

            So even if every day, you saw a strange connection...a shared thought...that means that a million thought weren't shared.

            Our brain sees patterns. But more than that, it creates patterns. It used to be in order to survive. But now, we still create patterns.

            I can explain the patterns we see. What I can't explain is why some of us find them significant, and others don't. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with which part of the brain is more active. But I don't know.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              It's interesting, I agree. But how many days has Riffle and his wife been married? Thousands? This is the first time this has happened. What about the millions of exchanges they have had, where this didn't happen?

              How many thoughts have you and I had today, so far? How many exchanges with our wives? What about the last year? Millions of thoughts have been exchanged. And that's just between you and your wife. How about everyone you know. How about everything you learn happens in the world?...over your whole life?

              Any connection to you at all, is instantly picked up and brought to your consciousness. And you ignore when there is no connection.

              So even if every day, you saw a strange connection...a shared thought...that means that a million thought weren't shared.

              Our brain sees patterns. But more than that, it creates patterns. It used to be in order to survive. But now, we still create patterns.

              I can explain the patterns we see. What I can't explain is why some of us find them significant, and others don't. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with which part of the brain is more active. But I don't know.

              Kind of like your wife saying, "I want a donut".
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                Anything happenin' right Now is coincident, only we ain't all in the same Here.

                But, yeah, Frank, happy to swing on that.

                Neurotwango says we edit shit out and fill in blanks alla the time.

                But what if we flipped heads and tails in the same moment?

                Or the coin spun to a stop on its side so we only saw the edge face?

                Gotta love these 2-in-1 deals, gotta witness coincident fluidstuff smackin' us outta seemydreamy monoincidentals of Stuck.

                Gonna meditate on this some more later in yoga when I commune with the Ditzy Dainty and flop out on a frickin' mat.

                Everything rolls together there.

                In the quiet & still, all your thoughts seem kinda shriller, kinda distinct enough incidents to flow with the co-, so you don't miss 'em so easy, and you see clearer when they make with the blendy juicy.

                Mebbe this is same as what Claude is sayin', only plus a leotard and the occasional wailin' dolphins CD.



                Dunno, Frank, but the flippy guys with the blowholes always seem to win out, however I figure stuff.
                Yes, this is a virtually impossible one to prove, especially to Claude, (no NASA backup).

                But yes our minds can predict the next show if we have seen it before. I get de ja view, all the time with MASH reruns, or my subconsciousness knows the next show, and gives me a sample.

                You can put it all down to law of averages, and dumb luck, but there is more to it than that!

                Our minds can receive and pickup others thought, it is relatively easy to do, well as long as you don't let the herd get in the way!


                The part at 32.10 displays this well.


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                • Profile picture of the author Kurt
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


                  You can put it all down to law of averages, and dumb luck, but there is more to it than that!

                  Our minds can receive and pickup others thought, it is relatively easy to do, well as long as you don't let the herd get in the way!

                  You should move to Las Vegas and become a professional poker player with your talents. You'll be a millionaire in no time!
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                  Yes, this is a virtually impossible one to prove, especially to Claude, (no NASA backup).

                  But yes our minds can predict the next show if we have seen it before. I get de ja view, all the time with MASH reruns, or my subconsciousness knows the next show, and gives me a sample.
                  A few years ago, I was listening to music on the radio. I told my wife, "I know the next song they will play" and I was right.

                  Fortunately, I'm not insane, so I wrote down the next 3 songs that were played. Yup, the next week, I heard the same sequence of songs. So it was a long recording, being played back.

                  Of course, it would have been more fun to just assume I was psychic.



                  And Shane, you are right. I only believe something if I get it direct from NASA. I started thinking that way after they put an implant in my brain.



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                  You should move to Las Vegas and become a professional poker player with your talents. You'll be a millionaire in no time!
                  Kurt; Now you've done it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              It's interesting, I agree. But how many days has Riffle and his wife been married? Thousands? This is the first time this has happened.
              You don't know this and can't derive it from the information I've supplied.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                You don't know this and can't derive it from the information I've supplied.
                You would have mentioned it in your post. Withholding something like that isn't like you. Am I wrong?

                You think I'm an overbearing obtuse blowhard, with narcissistic delusions of omnipotence.

                And I'm thinking exactly the same thing. Can you explain that?
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                • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  You would have mentioned it in your post. Withholding something like that isn't like you. Am I wrong?

                  You think I'm an overbearing obtuse blowhard, with narcissistic delusions of omnipotence.

                  And I'm thinking exactly the same thing. Can you explain that?

                  Maybe it was just the first of many coincidences to pop in my head.

                  Maybe I'm afraid to get on some government watch list if I reveal too many paranormal occurrences.

                  The remainder of your post is essentially correct.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                    Maybe it was just the first of many coincidences to pop in my head.
                    No. You and I don't agree on everything, but one thing I can count on from you, and that is clarity of thought.

                    One aspect of this that I haven't seen, is how many factors in every human interaction, can be linked as a coincidence.

                    If I see someone I went to school with, in a store....and they say something to me, that reminds me of someone we both know....

                    How any thousands of possible connections can we choose from, in that one instance?

                    And if any one of them hits our awareness, we think of it as a coincidence. And if we look for them (as some of us do) we see them more often.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      No. You and I don't agree on everything, but one thing I can count on from you, and that is clarity of thought.
                      You anticipating my clarity of thought doesn't mean I would have revealed all of the information you'd expect.

                      You're replacing factual evidence with expected subcontext. Just because I didn't say what you expected me to say doesn't mean that the information I didn't provide doesn't exist.


                      (Try that one on like a hat.)
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                        You anticipating my clarity of thought doesn't mean I would have revealed all of the information you'd expect.

                        You're replacing factual evidence with expected subcontext. Just because I didn't say what you expected me to say doesn't mean that the information I didn't provide doesn't exist.


                        (Try that one on like a hat.)
                        True.

                        But supplementing factual evidence with expected subtext is what thinking actually is. Just because you didn't say what I would have expected you to say, doesn't mean it isn't true. And the information you didn't provide does exist. I simply anticipated what it was.

                        And I estimated...... based on a matrix of memories of arguments with you, discovery of how you think, and the certain knowledge that you would correct me ....the likelihood that my surmise would be correct. And it was.

                        Now, sit on that and twirl.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          True.

                          But supplementing factual evidence with expected subtext is what thinking actually is. Just because you didn't say what I expected you to say, doesn't mean it isn't true. And the information you didn't provide does exist. I simply anticipated what it was.

                          And I estimated...... based on a matrix of memories of arguments with you, discovery of how you think, and the certain knowledge that you would correct me ....the likelihood that my surmise would be correct. And it was.

                          Now, sit on that and twirl.

                          Precisely, you estimated. You still have no factual evidence.

                          Is it an extraordinary coincidence that I'm right and you're wrong or is it simply an everyday occurrence?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                            Precisely, you estimated. You still have no factual evidence.

                            Is it an extraordinary coincidence that I'm right and you're wrong or is it simply an everyday occurrence?

                            It's not "You are right, and I am wrong". You are right, and I understand why you are right.

                            I actually do have factual evidence. You did not correct me. And your need to correct me is stronger than any evidence in a court of law.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              It's not "You are right, and I am wrong". You are right, and I understand why you are right.

                              I actually do have factual evidence. You did not correct me. And your need to correct me is stronger than any evidence in a court of law.
                              And with my dying breath I'll remind you, yet again, that you have no factual evidence of the original statement. You may have data to support your conclusion, but you don't have factual evidence.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                                And with my dying breath I'll remind you, yet again, that you have no factual evidence of the original statement. You may have data to support your conclusion, but you don't have factual evidence.
                                Thinking is the process of extrapolating meaning from evidence. And you did provide factual evidence. What you did not provide is physical evidence. And so, you are accusing me of thinking. I accept your accusation.


                                You were just talking about your dying breath, and I was just thinking about strangling you. Coincidence?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                  Thinking is the process of extrapolating meaning from evidence. And you did provide factual evidence. What you did not provide is physical evidence. And so, you are accusing me of thinking. I accept your accusation.


                                  You were just talking about your dying breath, and I was just thinking about strangling you. Coincidence?
                                  I think you need to go back and pinpoint where I provided factual evidence that the coincidence I wrote about was the first of such coincidences.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                    Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                                    I think you need to go back and pinpoint where I provided factual evidence that the coincidence I wrote about was the first of such coincidences.

                                    And I think you need to go back and re-read my last three posts. I was just jerking you around. I was actually surprised that post #25 made as much sense as it did.


                                    Added later; To be fair, my last three post were designed to sound truthful. But I didn't give much thought to whether they were actually true. So, I wasn't talking nonsense, but I never thought of them as compelling arguments. In fact, if you and I were having this discussion in person, I would give it a serious tone and facial expression, to see if I could sneak it past you.

                                    Your knowledge of linguistics is better than mine. But I would give it a shot.



                                    I cannot speak to you again, until you acknowledge that this was funny.

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                                    You were just talking about your dying breath, and I was just thinking about strangling you. Coincidence?
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                                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                      And I think you need to go back and re-read my last three posts. I was just jerking you around. I was actually surprised that post #25 made as much sense as it did.

                                      I think I'll keep the idea of strangling you though.

                                      In 5,118 posts, at last, one that made sense.
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                                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                      And I think you need to go back and re-read my last three posts. I was just jerking you around. I was actually surprised that post #25 made as much sense as it did.




                                      I cannot speak to you again, until you acknowledge that this was funny.

                                      Oh, no you don't. If anyone was doing any jerking around here, it was me.




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                                      Wait a minute...
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                        Dan; You must acknowledge that this was funny. I have a bet with my wife about it. She thinks you won't do it, and I agree with her.

                                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                        You were just talking about your dying breath, and I was just thinking about strangling you. Coincidence?
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
                                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                          Dan; You must acknowledge that this was funny. I have a bet with my wife about it. She thinks you won't do it, and I agree with her.


                                          Nothing to see here, folks. Nothing to see.
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                                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                          Dan; You must acknowledge that this was funny. I have a bet with my wife about it. She thinks you won't do it, and I agree with her.
                                          Good Lord, are you serious? Your wife ?? I didn't realize that this place meant so much to you
                                          Dan we need to do something about this lol
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                                            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                                            You should move to Las Vegas and become a professional poker player with your talents. You'll be a millionaire in no time!
                                            No, tested this extensively with Roulette, too hard to master, at least at the moment.

                                            But l haven't tried this with Poker, hmmmm!

                                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                            A few years ago, I was listening to music on the radio. I told my wife, "I know the next song they will play" and I was right.

                                            Fortunately, I'm not insane, so I wrote down the next 3 songs that were played. Yup, the next week, I heard the same sequence of songs. So it was a long recording, being played back.

                                            Of course, it would have been more fun to just assume I was psychic.
                                            Yes, l have the entire collection of MASH, and have watched them over and over, so my Subconscious is pretty good at popping a thought as to what the next show is. Nothing paranormal about this, apart from showing that our minds are very powerful computers.

                                            And Shane, you are right. I only believe something if I get it direct from NASA. I started thinking that way after they put an implant in my brain.
                                            Yes, Parker Bros Implants will do that!


                                            Kurt; Now you've done it.
                                            Nah!

                                            Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                                            I thanked you not just for the link, but also because the article reminded me of a word I've long forgotten: sobriquet. Just a great word.
                                            "Sobriquet Green" perhaps?

                                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                                            True.

                                            But supplementing factual evidence with expected subtext is what thinking actually is. Just because you didn't say what I would have expected you to say, doesn't mean it isn't true. And the information you didn't provide does exist. I simply anticipated what it was.

                                            And I estimated...... based on a matrix of memories of arguments with you, discovery of how you think, and the certain knowledge that you would correct me ....the likelihood that my surmise would be correct. And it was.

                                            Now, sit on that and twirl.
                                            Phew, Princess Bal....would be impressed!

                                            Originally Posted by HN View Post

                                            That would be 10's of thousands per day and 95% recurring thoughts.

                                            I tend to pay attention and remember when these coincidences happen. I can't spend a few hours to write them all down. I was planning to write a book about it. Here's the recent one.

                                            About 3 years ago my friend hit a deer and told me. A few weeks later I was driving in the dark and was thinking about him and how the hell he managed to hit one, while I haven't even seen any near my hometown. No more than 2 minutes / 2 miles later I almost hit the deer. In fact it hit my car, it ran into the back door. I didn't really think about the coincidence back then, but this. If I got there 1 second later I would have hit the deer at about 60 mph. If I got there 2 seconds later or 1 second earlier I wouldn't hit it nor would it run against my car. That was 3 years ago.

                                            Sure I may have thought about that accident a few times during that last 3 years, but certainly not every day and probably not once during the last year. Then a few weeks ago I was driving the same road (which I drive several times a week) just before the sunset. And when I passed that spot I suddenly remembered that incident again and I was thinking about the same thing as OP, what a coincidence it was.

                                            About 5 minutes later I see two deers approaching the road and then starting to run across it just before me. I hit the brakes and one deer passes within 2 meters before the bumper the and the other one hits my car again, like the last time it bumped it's head against the back door.

                                            I don't think this is the answer ...


                                            ... but if you want so desperately to believe that it is, I don't see why you shouldn't, esp. if it makes your life easier.

                                            The thoughts that cross my mind is weather we are creating/changing our own future by thoughts (are we living in a "matrix"?) or we somehow have an access to the information about the future events. Well that would also mean we live in a "matrix" and somehow, at times, get an access to restricted "computer files".
                                            Yes, as Einstein has said, we exist in an energy matrix, but aren't aware of it, since we are part of it.

                                            But play around with untra high frequencies, and it starts to break down.

                                            Funny thing about esp, is if you touch someones finger, and visualize, then a square appears in your mind, and if the other person visualizes an apple, then it will appear within that square. So, apart from this being built in, our minds are more like computers than we realize.

                                            I have also tried this without touching someones finger, and it can still be done, but is a lot harder to do.

                                            Verbally, touching or not, harder still, you basically have to visualize screaming a word for the other person to hear it.

                                            But is the movie excerpt possible, probably with enough practice.


                                            And before anyone asks, also tried it with dogs, well, a friends dog, and no surprise, animals usually think in key words.

                                            So, Bone, Eat, sleep, bone, kind of thoughts.

                                            Haven't tried it on cats, but l suspect all l would get from them would be, "p*** off"?

                                            And Dolphins would probably give me, "we are not super intelligent, and thanks for all the fish"?

                                            But distance might be a hindrance to this process?

                                            But does esp exist, of course!

                                            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

                                            HN -

                                            A few weeks ago I was out in the boonies hunting rocks. I was on a main hwy looking for my left turn. I got an incredible, literally overwhelming feeling that the 18 wheeler coming up behind me was going to hit me passing on the left when I slowed to turn left. I pulled off the road and let him go by me. I found my left turn. 10 miles up the road I was hit by a truck passing me on the left when I turned left again. I had put my blinker on - looked in my rearview. Nothing - I had gone over a hill and could only see so far behind the rig. This guy was speeding so fast that in the few seconds from the time I had checked my rearview to the time I looked in the mirror again to make my turn he was already in my blind spot.

                                            Right feeling about 15 minutes too early.
                                            Yes, had a weird negative feeling come over me when l parked my car in the local shopping centre, a while ago.

                                            I ignored it.

                                            Then came back to my car later on, and found that the main door was unlocked, (eventhough l had double checked it).

                                            And the key was harder to push into the lock.


                                            Yes, Sal, it is hard to figure out what is going to happen and when, but it is a useful talent to develop.


                                            Step on the wrong plane or walk into a shopping centre at the wrong time, and it could be curtains.


                                            The skeptics usually get slaughtered first, and the physics, keep their distance.


                                            But oh well, part of the herd?

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          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          We're exposed to billions of stimuli every waking second. How many individual thoughts have gone through your mind in the last minute? The last hour? Probably impossible to calculate, but the answer would likely surprise you.

          What would be truly extraordinary is if extraordinary coincidences didn't happen.
          That would be 10's of thousands per day and 95% recurring thoughts.

          I tend to pay attention and remember when these coincidences happen. I can't spend a few hours to write them all down. I was planning to write a book about it. Here's the recent one.

          About 3 years ago my friend hit a deer and told me. A few weeks later I was driving in the dark and was thinking about him and how the hell he managed to hit one, while I haven't even seen any near my hometown. No more than 2 minutes / 2 miles later I almost hit the deer. In fact it hit my car, it ran into the back door. I didn't really think about the coincidence back then, but this. If I got there 1 second later I would have hit the deer at about 60 mph. If I got there 2 seconds later or 1 second earlier I wouldn't hit it nor would it run against my car. That was 3 years ago.

          Sure I may have thought about that accident a few times during that last 3 years, but certainly not every day and probably not once during the last year. Then a few weeks ago I was driving the same road (which I drive several times a week) just before the sunset. And when I passed that spot I suddenly remembered that incident again and I was thinking about the same thing as OP, what a coincidence it was.

          About 5 minutes later I see two deers approaching the road and then starting to run across it just before me. I hit the brakes and one deer passes within 2 meters before the bumper the and the other one hits my car again, like the last time it bumped it's head against the back door.

          Here's another one. I had a dream about me, my neighbor and my childhood friend doing a band and there was something wrong with the amplifier in my dream. The very last time I saw my friend, was about 15 years ago. It's not that I 've been thinking about him all these years, or seen him in my dreams before (or perhaps I did but never remembered any). So a few days later me and my neighbor went to the city and he asked me to help him deliver an amplifier to his fellow. I said fine. He doesn't drive, so I give him a lift quite often. Guess who his fellow was? My childhood friend, who I saw in the dream a few days ago, but haven't seen or thought about him during last 15 years.


          I don't think this is the answer ...
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Of course, that's the answer. We never notice when coincidences don't happen, only when they do. So they take on more importance, because we noticed them.
          ... but if you want so desperately to believe that it is, I don't see why you shouldn't, esp. if it makes your life easier.

          The thoughts that cross my mind is weather we are creating/changing our own future by thoughts (are we living in a "matrix"?) or we somehow have an access to the information about the future events. Well that would also mean we live in a "matrix" and somehow, at times, get an access to restricted "computer files".
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          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
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            I found the dream one interesting. The Neighbor, the amplifier and the schoolfriend, Amazing correlation. It was not something you had been pondering on before going to sleep, like seeing your school friend?

            If in any shape or form it is ever proven that thoughts can become things, make things happen or shape events, (other than in the physical sense of acting on them) I would say dreams like that are non affecting, more a glimpse of what will happen!
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              Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

              HN

              I found the dream one interesting. The Neighbor, the amplifier and the schoolfriend, Amazing correlation. It was not something you had been pondering on before going to sleep, like seeing your school friend?

              If in any shape or form it is ever proven that thoughts can become things, make things happen or shape events, (other than in the physical sense of acting on them) I would say dreams like that are non affecting, more a glimpse of what will happen!
              They say we see dreams while our subconscious mind filters, structures and stores the information gathered during the day. (In computer terms -- we fall asleep because our random access memory gets full and it has to be transferred to the hard disk.) Sometimes some minor details we hear on radio or see on the TV, but don't pay attention to, come up in the dream in an exaggerated / transformed form and we have the feeling that it is in no way linked to what we have experienced during the previous day or ever before. In this case we just don't remember or understand how our mind has transformed the information that our subconscious mind had picked up during the day.

              Suppose your child was watching Ninja Turtles on TV and you were reading the newspaper at the same time about US invading yet another country and during the next night you had a dream about alien mutants invading the Earth. You wonder where this came from, as you haven't watched any alien movies during the recent days/weeks. Your mind has put two pieces of information, that it received at the same time, together in your dream later.

              Neighbor, amplifier and the friend... There's no mystery about the neighbor appearing in my dream, because we see each other and talk quite often. Music equipment. I see it every day. The only mystery was the childhood friend. My brain must have been filtering some really old information while I was sleeping. Or perhaps there was something during the day that would have reminded me of the old friend, but I didn't pay attention. My subconscious mind probably did. There's one more element actually -- location. In my dream we practiced at my father's friend's studio. It's 5 miles away from our town. We've been at his studio together with my neighbor many times. Last time we went there 3 weeks before that dream. So the brain was filtering 3 week old information. It appears that it doesn't necessarily filter only the previous day's information while we sleep.
              Guess what? This studio was where my neighbor would pick up the equipment that he had to deliver to my old friend. When we started driving he asked if we could drop by the studio to take something he needed to deliver.

              So there we were, at the parking lot before University and my childhood friend shows up. I instantly remembered the dream and I told them both about it. Had I told my neighbor while we were driving he'd probably be surprised. But since I told after my old friend showed up, they have no way of knowing whether I made it up or not.


              BTW: A few days ago I had a weird dream about a futuristic world and a keyboard, that can spy on people (take fingerprints as you type, determine the mood of person by keystroke intensity and intervals and a whole lot of more interesting stuff and send it to government server). I woke up at 2:40 and couldn't fall asleep until about 4 am, thinking about the plot for a book based on the dream and trying to figure out how difficult it would be to write the software for such keyboard. I have also noticed that I have those dreams on 2nd and 21st day on the month. I figured to post a similar thread a day before you did. I know this must now sound as I am messing with you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      What would be truly extraordinary is if extraordinary coincidences didn't happen..
      Anything happenin' right Now is coincident, only we ain't all in the same Here.

      But, yeah, Frank, happy to swing on that.

      Neurotwango says we edit shit out and fill in blanks alla the time.

      But what if we flipped heads and tails in the same moment?

      Or the coin spun to a stop on its side so we only saw the edge face?

      Gotta love these 2-in-1 deals, gotta witness coincident fluidstuff smackin' us outta seemydreamy monoincidentals of Stuck.

      Gonna meditate on this some more later in yoga when I commune with the Ditzy Dainty and flop out on a frickin' mat.

      Everything rolls together there.

      In the quiet & still, all your thoughts seem kinda shriller, kinda distinct enough incidents to flow with the co-, so you don't miss 'em so easy, and you see clearer when they make with the blendy juicy.

      Mebbe this is same as what Claude is sayin', only plus a leotard and the occasional wailin' dolphins CD.

      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      How many individual thoughts have gone through your mind in the last minute?.
      Dunno, Frank, but the flippy guys with the blowholes always seem to win out, however I figure stuff.
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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        Anything happenin' right Now is coincident, only we ain't all in the same Here.

        But, yeah, Frank, happy to swing on that.

        Neurotwango says we edit shit out and fill in blanks alla the time.

        But what if we flipped heads and tails in the same moment?

        Or the coin spun to a stop on its side so we only saw the edge face?

        Gotta love these 2-in-1 deals, gotta witness coincident fluidstuff smackin' us outta seemydreamy monoincidentals of Stuck.

        Gonna meditate on this some more later in yoga when I commune with the Ditzy Dainty and flop out on a frickin' mat.

        Everything rolls together there.

        In the quiet & still, all your thoughts seem kinda shriller, kinda distinct enough incidents to flow with the co-, so you don't miss 'em so easy, and you see clearer when they make with the blendy juicy.

        Mebbe this is same as what Claude is sayin', only plus a leotard and the occasional wailin' dolphins CD.



        Dunno, Frank, but the flippy guys with the blowholes always seem to win out, however I figure stuff.
        I'm beginning to see a pattern in how you speak. I'm afraid...very afraid.
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    Have you ever pressed a button on your remote control and at the exact same split second heard a crash or a loud thunder clap that makes it seem like pressing the button made it happen? It's happened to me a couple of times and for a short period of time is freaky.


    Also, ever wondered why you never seen Claude and Divine at the same time? That's not a coincidence.
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    It has a fun name, but only since 1995

    http://www.psmag.com/books-and-cultu...enomenon-59670
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      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      It has a fun name, but only since 1995

      http://www.psmag.com/books-and-cultu...enomenon-59670
      I thanked you not just for the link, but also because the article reminded me of a word I've long forgotten: sobriquet. Just a great word.
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      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      It has a fun name, but only since 1995

      http://www.psmag.com/books-and-cultu...enomenon-59670
      I read that. In my experience that I related it was something that just appeared in my inbox, I wanted it was not expecting it to suddenly appear like that after 8 months.. Every day I read the front page of the BBC site. I may have a desire to know an answer to something or an explanation or further info. But often, there it is, an article about it. Not doing anything out of the ordinary in searching for it or keeping my eye out.

      Also, quite often, the subject of my intense thinking is really obscure. Not likely to come up but it does.

      Sure, there is a lot of truth in that article but so many instances of wow, I was giving that some serious thought last night and there's a front page article on it.

      I suppose you could get a large sample of people to keep detailed notes of these thinking events and see if there would be any correlation. Something that could be controlled and verified.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

    Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

    Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

    Yeah, I like it.

    Feel like I'm nailin' the universe one academia-tweaked ultra-left-wing German terrorist group at a time.

    If this comes bowlin' outta the blue tomorrow, I'm callin' on the Pope to make that Zwicky guy a saint.

    Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

    Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

    Hey, lookit me. I gotta new earworm...
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    HN -

    A few weeks ago I was out in the boonies hunting rocks. I was on a main hwy looking for my left turn. I got an incredible, literally overwhelming feeling that the 18 wheeler coming up behind me was going to hit me passing on the left when I slowed to turn left. I pulled off the road and let him go by me. I found my left turn. 10 miles up the road I was hit by a truck passing me on the left when I turned left again. I had put my blinker on - looked in my rearview. Nothing - I had gone over a hill and could only see so far behind the rig. This guy was speeding so fast that in the few seconds from the time I had checked my rearview to the time I looked in the mirror again to make my turn he was already in my blind spot.

    Right feeling about 15 minutes too early.
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      HN -

      A few weeks ago I was out in the boonies hunting rocks. I was on a main hwy looking for my left turn. I got an incredible, literally overwhelming feeling that the 18 wheeler coming up behind me was going to hit me passing on the left when I slowed to turn left. I pulled off the road and let him go by me. I found my left turn. 10 miles up the road I was hit by a truck passing me on the left when I turned left again. I had put my blinker on - looked in my rearview. Nothing - I had gone over a hill and could only see so far behind the rig. This guy was speeding so fast that in the few seconds from the time I had checked my rearview to the time I looked in the mirror again to make my turn he was already in my blind spot.

      Right feeling about 15 minutes too early.
      In this case only you know how often you've got the feeling that you have to let the other cars pass. As the skeptics would say, you probably had it hundreds of times before that accident, but you only paid attention when this happened. That's why those stories would never work to convince anyone of anything.

      I had this experience about 8 years ago. I was at this intersection in the right lane...

      https://www.google.com/maps/@59.4425...2!8i6656?hl=en

      From the right lane you can drive straight ahead and make the left turn. From the left lane, you can only turn left. There was a truck in the left lane and when the light turned green, that guy drove straight ahead. If I didn't hit the brakes he would have hit me from the left. That day I though I got lucky to avoid the accident and also figured I'd better take the left lane next time, since there are plenty of dumb drivers that can't read the traffic signs.

      The very next day, at the same intersection ... to be continued.
      Guess what happened?
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        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        Things carry on like this, we're gonna get that Hawking guy on board as a lurker.
        Lurker,.....l hope that there are no squids involved?

        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        As far as Einstein - he also said that time is not linear - that's only our limited perception of it. If you take his view of time, a "premonition" is not actually a glimpse of the future, but a dimensional phenomenon that you are able to glean into something that is happening at the same time in an alternate universe or dimension. So.........not really supernatural at all. Just an energy perception.
        Alternate universe, cool!


        Originally Posted by HN View Post

        They say we see dreams while our subconscious mind filters, structures and stores the information gathered during the day.............

        Neighbor, amplifier and the friend... There's no mystery about the neighbor appearing in my dream, because we see each other and talk quite often. Music equipment. I see it every day. The only mystery was the childhood friend. My brain must have been filtering some really old information while I was sleeping. Or perhaps there was something during the day that would have reminded me of the old friend, but I didn't pay attention. My subconscious mind probably did. There's one more element actually -- location. In my dream we practiced at my father's friend's studio. It's 5 miles away from our town. We've been at his studio together with my neighbor many times. Last time we went there 3 weeks before that dream. So the brain was filtering 3 week old information. It appears that it doesn't necessarily filter only the previous day's information while we sleep.
        Guess what? This studio was where my neighbor would pick up the equipment that he had to deliver to my old friend. When we started driving he asked if we could drop by the studio to take something he needed to deliver.

        So there we were, at the parking lot before University and my childhood friend shows up. I instantly remembered the dream and I told them both about it. Had I told my neighbor while we were driving he'd probably be surprised. But since I told after my old friend showed up, they have no way of knowing whether I made it up or not.


        BTW: A few days ago I had a weird dream about a futuristic world and a keyboard, that can spy on people (take fingerprints, determine the mood of person by keypress intensity and intervals and a whole lot of more interesting stuff and send it to government server). I woke up at 2:40 and couldn't fall asleep until about 4 am, thinking about the plot for a book based on the dream and trying to figure out how difficult it would be to write the software for such keyboard. I have also noticed that I have those dreams on 2nd and 21st day on the month. I figured to post a similar thread a day before you did. I know this must now sound as I am messing with you.
        Hmmm, they tried this with Claude's keyboard, but the D,O,N,U,T, keys were broken!

        Originally Posted by HN View Post

        In this case only you know how often you've got the feeling that you have to let the other cars pass. As the skeptics would say, you probably had it hundreds of times before that accident, but you only paid attention when this happened. That's why those stories would never work to convince anyone of anything.

        I had this experience about 8 years ago. I was at this intersection in the right lane...

        https://www.google.com/maps/@59.4425...2!8i6656?hl=en

        From the right lane you can drive straight ahead and make the left turn. From the left lane, you can only turn left. There was a truck in the left lane and when the light turned green, that guy drove straight ahead. If I didn't hit the brakes he would have hit me from the left. That day I though I got lucky to avoid the accident and also figured I'd better take the left lane next time, since there are plenty of dumb drivers that can't read the traffic signs.

        The very next day, at the same intersection ... to be continued.
        Guess what happened?
        Gee, no wonder the traffic is going the wrong way, and there is no text on the triangular signs above the traffic lights.

        But yeah, we cannot convince with this one, make them squirm perhaps, but that is about it!

        Yes, the feeling l had before someone tried to knock off my car was new, or l had never had that feeling before.

        I was a bit worried that some nutter was running around the shopping centre, screaming Allah, but thankfully it wasn't that bad!

        And l had been driving for almost 30 years, without anyone trying to knock off my car.

        So the coincidental odd's are at least millions to one.

        But skeptics won't believe a word of this, at least til they on a plane headed towards the nearest hill, but it is a bit late then?

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        Originally Posted by HN View Post

        In this case only you know how often you've got the feeling that you have to let the other cars pass. As the skeptics would say, you probably had it hundreds of times before that accident, but you only paid attention when this happened. That's why those stories would never work to convince anyone of anything.

        I had this experience about 8 years ago. I was at this intersection in the right lane...

        https://www.google.com/maps/@59.4425...2!8i6656?hl=en
        Then change the question. If we get these "feelings" a hundred times a day - why is it that one or two will be vivid enough for us to take note of, while others just slip through our minds without real notice?

        How many times do you think about someone else and not even really pay much attention to the thought other than as a fond or bad memory? How many times do you actually have a change in physical feeling when you think of someone, then the phone rings. Why was that thought different than the others that you had -- other than it turned into a "coincidence"?

        If the feeling of the thought is more vivid, or you actually feel a physical response that doesn't accompany other thoughts, it's time to pay attention to it.
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          Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

          Then change the question. If we get these "feelings" a hundred times a day - why is it that one or two will be vivid enough for us to take note of, while others just slip through our minds without real notice?

          How many times do you think about someone else and not even really pay much attention to the thought other than as a fond or bad memory? How many times do you actually have a change in physical feeling when you think of someone, then the phone rings. Why was that thought different than the others that you had -- other than it turned into a "coincidence"?

          If the feeling of the thought is more vivid, or you actually feel a physical response that doesn't accompany other thoughts, it's time to pay attention to it.
          Yes, daydreaming or wishful thinking might trick you into believing that a cat will be crossing the road around the bend.

          But it is also accompied by doubts.

          A feeling that something isn't right, won't go away, the other will.

          When l parked my car, l thought that it might be something else, or just me, but no matter how many times l dismissed it, the feeling would return.

          If you can clear your head, and have a l don't care attitude, and the same feeling comes back, then you need to listen.

          But l agree you need a lot of practice to make this work efficiently.

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    As far as Einstein - he also said that time is not linear - that's only our limited perception of it. If you take his view of time, a "premonition" is not actually a glimpse of the future, but a dimensional phenomenon that you are able to glean into something that is happening at the same time in an alternate universe or dimension. So.........not really supernatural at all. Just an energy perception.
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      Things carry on like this, we're gonna get that Hawking guy on board as a lurker.
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Mebbe if we all holler EINSTEIN we can break Hawking out of his hidey hole like some kinda cerebro-gimp.

    Way I see it, Sal's onto a winner with this parallel universe trip.

    Let's say I make with a deja vu.

    Mebbe what's happenin' here is a switcheroo of 2 versions of me cross the parallel universe energy field (come on, Hawking, get that frickin' mask on and help a gal out here willya?), but there's a millisecond delay, and both of me got access to both heaps of memories and shit all at once.

    That's sure how it feels.

    Hey, for the record: I got zilcho Baader-Meinhof schwango so far today.

    German terrorists goddamn losers on the brain deal imho.
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    Lightin' fuses is for blowin' stuff togethah.

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