School District Pays $600K for Hypnotized Students' Deaths

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Wait. What?

School District to Pay $600,000 Over Death of Teens Who Were Hypnotized by Principal*

I heard this on the news this morning. I thought you could not hypnotize anyone to the point that would go so far as to make them unstable and kill themselves?

Timothy the magician, your thoughts please.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I heard this on the news this morning. I thought you could not hypnotize anyone to the point that would go so far as to make them unstable and kill themselves?

Timothy the magician, your thoughts please.

I can see parents of any of the hypnotized students being a bit out of sorts at hypnosis being performed without permission, but I find the causality of the deaths just a tad suspect.

Does this set precedence for stage hypnosis? Can stage performers be held liable? If Johnny The Mesmerizer makes you cluck like a chicken and you decide a month later to drive into a bridge abutment, can your wife viably sue said performer?

Weird times in America.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I can see parents of any of the hypnotized students being a bit out of sorts at hypnosis being performed without permission, but I find the causality of the deaths just a tad suspect.

Does this set precedence for stage hypnosis? Can stage performers be held liable? If Johnny The Mesmerizer makes you cluck like a chicken and you decide a month later to drive into a bridge abutment, can your wife viably sue said performer?

Weird times in America.

Wondering if this is an out of court settlement?, otherwise it sets a precedent and could scare off therapeutic and stage hypnotists from ever plying there trade here.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Wondering if this is an out of court settlement?, otherwise it sets a precedent and could scare off therapeutic and stage hypnotists from ever plying there trade here.

Good question. You can't really tell from the article, but I'm sure I could track it down later. The article does say that the $200,000 per student is the largest a Florida government can pay without special approval.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

Good question. You can't really tell from the article, but I'm sure I could track it down later. The article does say that the $200,000 per student is the largest a Florida government can pay without special approval.

One thing I do note, this sounds like mass hypnosis. An experienced hypnotist would vet each individual person with a few pertinent questions to ascertain there suitability and susceptibility to being hypnotized. Now it does not follow that they would be able to tell if they were mentally unstable but doing it a lot may give them some notion, enough to send some back to there seats.

So the Principal does a whole class or assembly at once, no vetting, and boom, three people it allegedly affects adversely. Of course Pro Hypnotists would call that irresponsible. However, if this was a court case payout it would brand all hypnotism as potentially dangerous. Interesting.

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Kay King

9 years ago

I agree - sounds like an amateur practicing hypnosis...and I'd also question causality. However, I don't think that guy has a legal leg to stand on.

Hypnotizing a student without parental permission would be enough for a $200k settlement to me.

It's sort of like giving the students a drug to end the pain or make them more alert....you are messing with minds not fully developed.

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Dan Riffle

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Hypnotizing a student without parental permission would be enough for a $200k settlement to me.

This is where I was heading. I think there were over 75 students supposedly hypnotized. Only the families of the ones who died were paid. Since causality has to be nearly impossible to prove, the lack of parental permission seems to be the viable reasoning. If so, what about the other 72 students?

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

This is where I was heading. I think there were over 75 students supposedly hypnotized. Only the families of the ones who died were paid. Since causality has to be nearly impossible to prove, the lack of parental permission seems to be the viable reasoning. If so, what about the other 72 students?

I just read the article again. Multiple times? That could very well be dangerous. I just scanned it real fast the first time and didn't realize this wasn't a mass hypnotizing thing like you'd see on the stage at a show somewhere.

Maybe I need to read it again - but I didn't see that he's a licensed psychiatrist, so even with parental consent - he's not authorized to do such a thing.

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lanfear63

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

This is where I was heading. I think there were over 75 students supposedly hypnotized. Only the families of the ones who died were paid. Since causality has to be nearly impossible to prove, the lack of parental permission seems to be the viable reasoning. If so, what about the other 72 students?

The Principal had a meeting with the other students and there parents in the school hall. After 20 minutes, he snapped his fingers and they all left, wondering what they had been doing there.

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Claude Whitacre

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Riffle

I can see parents of any of the hypnotized students being a bit out of sorts at hypnosis being performed without permission, but I find the causality of the deaths just a tad suspect.

Does this set precedence for stage hypnosis? Can stage performers be held liable? If Johnny The Mesmerizer makes you cluck like a chicken and you decide a month later to drive into a bridge abutment, can your wife viably sue said performer?

Weird times in America.

We don't know what went on in the sessions...

But this isn't how hypnosis works. The article (and parents) are ascribing powers to the hypnotist, that he simply doesn't have.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I heard this on the news this morning. I thought you could not hypnotize anyone to the point that would go so far as to make them unstable and kill themselves?

Timothy the magician, your thoughts please.

Hypnosis is supposed to be able to twist the will, perception, and memory. Under the right circumstances, that COULD do things like make them veer away from a person in a car on a street and have an accident, or feel bad about their success and make suicide that much more likely.

It is a matter of degree. Even on programs, they usually try to make the victim look evil, and show a benefit to the person hypnotized.

On the flip side though, just getting called to the principle, missing appointments, and being told you will do BADLY on a major test that could affect your life could push you closer to the brink, and THAT is what likely happened with Palumbo. And that could happen potentially with NO hypnosis! Suppose she was just about to go out with a new boyfriend, and was hopeful about the SAT but worried. And NOW, the PRINCIPLE makes her boyfriend break up with her, and tells her she has NO HOPE? Some females have done worse with LESS influence.

BTW for those that don't know, the SAT is effectively THE test to get a nice start on a college path. It is in the US like the Abitur is in germany. Some people study a LOT to do real well and even go to special classes that, rather than teaching the subjects, teach the TEST. Like the Abitur, it could make the difference between going to a NICE college, or not going at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

The article reads like a script from the Final Destination movie.

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yukon

Banned 9 years ago

Whenever Claude hears a vacuum cleaner making noise he starts crowing like a rooster.

I'm not sure If that's part of the sales presentation or he's hypnotized.

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Claude Whitacre 9 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Whenever Claude hears a vacuum cleaner making noise he starts crowing like a rooster.

I'm not sure If that's part of the sales presentation or he's hypnotized.

One of my best friends is a psychiatrist (no, I'm not a patient ) and he's a hypnotherapist and used to be a Las Vegas stage hypnotist. We have had some long serious conversations about how hypnosis works.

High level selling has similarities to hypnosis. Music can be hypnotic. Same with poetry.

You aren't really changing the person's mind. You are very temporarily having the subject believe what you are saying. It's a little like dreaming.
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HeySal

9 years ago

If this issue is true at all, it's not "hypnotism". It would have to be a mind control issue, which could be a very valid truth - but not anywhere near what is being reported here.

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9 years ago

Don't look into his eyes... (I think this is him!)

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9 years ago

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