Building your own laptop

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I've been in a DIY mood lately and thought that one day it would be good to build my own laptop computer. I use my current one for video editing as well as creating 3d animations. But it is really slow and can't handle the high work load.

After doing some research it seems that the first thing I need to do is figure out what kind of motherboard I need. BUT I am not sure how to find one that will be able to handle all of the other parts. In other words how do I find out what type of hard drive, video card, and so on can be used for each motherboard I consider?

Anyone know? It would be nice to just see a website with motherboards that have a "Can handle up to such and such of this and that."
  • Profile picture of the author James McAllister
    Building your own laptop from scratch is practically impossible.

    If you want to build a desktop, the only thing you have to worry about in most cases compatibility wise with the motherboard is that the CPU uses the right type of socket.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by jbearnolimits View Post

    I've been in a DIY mood lately and thought that one day it would be good to build my own laptop computer. I use my current one for video editing as well as creating 3d animations. But it is really slow and can't handle the high work load.

    After doing some research it seems that the first thing I need to do is figure out what kind of motherboard I need. BUT I am not sure how to find one that will be able to handle all of the other parts. In other words how do I find out what type of hard drive, video card, and so on can be used for each motherboard I consider?

    Anyone know? It would be nice to just see a website with motherboards that have a "Can handle up to such and such of this and that."
    JAMES is RIGHT! The current Desktop PC form factor, though FAR FAR FAR FAR closer than EVER before, is still incompatible with a laptop. The size, and options, not to mention that there is NO concern for power over price, is just WRONG! The ONLY way that will change is if companies want to go broke, or technology hits a LIMIT and SIMULTANEOUSLY(although it would NEVER happen) gets FAR smaller and cheaper, The problem is that as things get smaller, they add MORE features to desktops, and increase the size again.

    OK, I have just explained why the MARKET is that way. Meeting the USP concerns of laptop makers is hard enough, and they must either do it all themselves OR, for the smaller companies, go to OEMs that basically have somwhat modular units.

    So what this means is you are likely doing it SIDEWAYS!

    DESKTOP.....
    1. Figure features you want.
    2. Figure the size case you want.
    3. Get a board with the best tradeoffs that you want.
    4. Buy the motherboard and the case. It is generally ok to buy from different manufacturers. Just use the motherboard form factor, and watch out for the connections.

    The video card is often ON the board today. The Disk drive controller is ALSO often on the mother board. Remember how I said they add stuff? Well a motherboard today is RARELY used like a motherboard! It effectively IS the PC board for the computer.

    LAPTOP....
    1. Figure features you want.
    2. Figure the size laptop you want.
    3. Get the parts with the best tradeoffs that you want. It is generally a BAD idea to buy from different manufacturers.

    The video card is often ON the board today. The Disk drive controller is ALSO often on the mother board. Interface methods usually WASTE SPACE. The ONLY exception is ones taking things in parallel to the board to use what would otherwise be dead space.

    In EITHER case, the drive type is SPECIFIED! If you want ANOTHER drive type most DESKTOP motherboards have the hallmark expansion capability, and you only need an expansion card that matches the interface type. SOME laptops have daughter boards you can get to do the same sort of thing.

    ANOTHER thing! BE CAREFUL about getting a drive for a laptop! It seems laptop drive manufacturers are not too bright, and you may have to REALLY hunt for the THICKNESS of the drive! NOTE TO MANUFACTURERS!!!!!!!!! THIS became a concern about 20 years ago! They don't do it with desktop drives EITHER anymore, but at least THEY are adjustable and less of a concern. Anyway, if you get a drive that is too thick, it will usually still work, but the case or keyboard will bulge.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author jbearnolimits
      So what I hear both of you saying is that it is both easier to build a desktop? I am not really limited to laptop so if it is better to build a desktop then that may be what I do. Question: I haven't done much research yet into specific motherboards. I will look up the motherboard form factor. But it sounds like it is a motherboard that can be flexible enough to take any other parts. Is this true? What are the limitations? Also, wouldn't it be better to get a list of the parts BEFORE figuring out what case?
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  • Profile picture of the author jbearnolimits
    LOL like I said, I hadn't done that much research. I thought you were talking about a brand when you said motherboard form factor.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by jbearnolimits View Post

      LOL like I said, I hadn't done that much research. I thought you were talking about a brand when you said motherboard form factor.
      NOPE! There are DOZENS of measurements that have to be made, be precise, etc... Since that would just be DUMB, because you would have to make a LOT of different boards, and likely lose a LOT of money, they standardized on the PC form factor. Of course, that is limiting, so when they decided on the AT, they called THAT the AT, and then they changed it AGAIN, and came up with the ATX, etc.... Cases may come in different styles, etc.... but have the same form factor. Some may handle multiple form factors BUT, if they say they handle a given form factor, it should handle that one. THAT is why I said you could freely handle many companies.

      BTW when you say BUILD, I am assuming that you are misusing the term like 99.96% of the public. I doubt more than a VERY tiny percentage, like .05%(about 5 per 10,000) here EVER BUILT a computer! Even most "Computer PROFESSIONALS" would likely burn out a few circuits in the attempt.

      NOPE! MOST mean ASSEMBLE, when they say build! If you MEANT build, I would strongly suggest you forget it. If you meant ASSEMBLE, "motherboards" are generally 100% PREbuilt with sockets for the memory, CPU, expansion slots, etc... MOST don't even have space to solder, let alone directions to, so forget THAT also. You don't need to fiddle with discrete components, or simple ICs.

      If you want to add items not supported natively, you can use an expansion board.

      Here is one ad that came up for bestbuy:

      MSI - Desktop Motherboard - Intel Z97 Express Chipset - Socket H3 LGA-1150 - Multi
      Model: Z97 GAMING 5SKU: 1311409421
      ATX - 1 x Processor Support - 32 GB DDR3 SDRAM Maximum RAM - CrossFireX, SLI Support - Serial ATA/600 RAID Supported Controller - CPU Dependent Video - 3 x PCIe x16 Slot - 4 x USB 3.0 Port - HDMI
      So the first feature in the ad body is ATX(FORM FACTOR) 1 (CPU) MAX. 32GB DDR3 Max Support for up to 4 GPUs, Handles multiple Graphics cards, though it comes with native HDMI, SATA/600 with RAID support(for DISKS), 3 PCI/sx16(EXPANSION SLOTS), 4 USB 3.0(CAN be used for external expansion). All is already built. If you want to build your own, outside of making your own board from scratch, I don't know of any option.

      IRONICALLY, building a smart phone is likely easier than a laptop. A lot of the microcontrollers sold now have the ability to have cellular connections, have touch screens available, and have the basic features. Many ALSO have ANDROID native support! You could MAYBE even get a case. ALSO, there are ways that you can build the main computer(microcontroller) effectively from scratch. STILL, I advise against it. The odds of creating damage are nearly as good as they are with an INTEL system. ALSO, building it this way WILL cost a few hundred dollars! The microcontroller, complete with processor and OS, is DIRT CHEAP, like $20+, but the touch screen, cellular board, etc... are FAR more expensive.

      And HEY, HERE is a thought! SOME microcontrollers are almost like a PC with ADDITIONAL connectivity. THEY could be used to build a laptop(though you STILL need a case). But the resulting computer would be like a chrome laptop. The new intel ones tend to be bigger and cost a LOT more.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Laptops (and desktops) are cheap to buy these days, under $300.00 if you look, complete with operating system and warranty. What your proposing is nothing more than a hobby/challenge. Years ago, the home brew method was much more interesting, lucrative and challenging, and you could end up saving money and make something more powerful.

        Due to mass production, those days are gone.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Laptops (and desktops) are cheap to buy these days, under $300.00 if you look, complete with operating system and warranty. What your proposing is nothing more than a hobby/challenge. Years ago, the home brew method was much more interesting, lucrative and challenging, and you could end up saving money and make something more powerful.

          Due to mass production, those days are gone.
          Yeah, a friend heard that I had assembled some computers a while back, and wanted me to do the whole thing with him. I DID. This was an AT form factor, which is HARDER than an ATX form factor. Anyway, it took us a while, and we MIGHT have made like $150-$200. He realized it wasn't worth it. That was back when computers cost a lot more, so $200 was not much anyway. And you may have DRIVER problems.

          AND, like I said, you MIGHT save a little on an owned phone that you assembled, but it costs more upfront.

          Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author jbearnolimits
          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

          Laptops (and desktops) are cheap to buy these days, under $300.00 if you look, complete with operating system and warranty. What your proposing is nothing more than a hobby/challenge. Years ago, the home brew method was much more interesting, lucrative and challenging, and you could end up saving money and make something more powerful.

          Due to mass production, those days are gone.
          Well shoot! I wanted a small project that would also save money. But after researching all the parts I need and adding the cost it turns out after checking best buy that I can get one more powerful for half the price already made!

          Well, there goes my idea.
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          • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
            Originally Posted by jbearnolimits View Post

            Well shoot! I wanted a small project that would also save money. But after researching all the parts I need and adding the cost it turns out after checking best buy that I can get one more powerful for half the price already made!
            It's not just the cost of the parts, and of course sourcing them. It's also a matter of factoring in your time. What's that really worth to you?

            Laptops and PC's are reasonably cheap today, even for a mid spec model. It's really not worth the grief and hassle to build one, even if it is only a hobby. Time spent doing that could be used on much more interesting things. Life's short.
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            • Profile picture of the author sconer
              Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

              It's not just the cost of the parts, and of course sourcing them. It's also a matter of factoring in your time. What's that really worth to you?

              Laptops and PC's are reasonably cheap today, even for a mid spec model. It's really not worth the grief and hassle to build one, even if it is only a hobby. Time spent doing that could be used on much more interesting things. Life's short.
              Lol, it takes like a whole hour to build a computer...
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              • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                Originally Posted by sconer View Post

                Lol, it takes like a whole hour to build a computer...
                I meant the time sourcing the parts, not just building it. Sarcasm is an acquired taste, usually best served by those who understand the correct ingredients.
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                • Profile picture of the author sconer
                  So now you're trying to say that your above post was sarcastic?
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                  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
                    Originally Posted by sconer View Post

                    So now you're trying to say that your above post was sarcastic?
                    Parts CAN be relatively expensive. To give you a little idea.....

                    With only 16GB, and the lowest cost powersupply, case, and motherboard, at bestbuy, you are looking at about $180+ for parts,<=1.6Ghz, 8 USB, 4 PCI/e, etc.... . That is with NO keyboard, video, CPU(AMD compatible), O/S, drivers, wifi etc... So it could be like $480 with wifi, 1TB, Win 10, video, keyboard(NO CPU)

                    The SAME site sells a similar computer(DELL inspiron), COMPLETE with i5CPU It has no video or keyboard, but has a DVD. It also only has 8GB. for $449.99. So you would basically be paying LESS THAN $140 more for a computer with a better CPU, tested drivers, and better support, with base software basically preinstalled, though it has 8GB less ram. Don't forget though, I didn't allow for the cost of the CPU in the other system, which would likely make THIS system the cheaper one.

                    So HOW do companies like dell do it? They buy wholesale in bulk, and cut special deals, and with software like Windows, they use OEM versions. They also ghost drives, so they install the software as fast as anyone could. So there is less hassle and expense.

                    But yeah, there is the time and money you have to add to the equation.

                    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author sconer
    Why not build your own smartphone while you're at it?
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