The Musical Wasteland

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I try not to get too heavy and deep into subjects (reminds me of my college
days when we used to sit around and talk about the meaning of life) but
tonight, I couldn't help but sit down and think about all the music I have
heard in my 51 years on this planet.

I started to think about the thousands of songs that, maybe at one time,
were big hits and then suddenly, nobody hears them anymore. In some
cases, it's almost a joke to admit that you used to like that song.

I could sit here now and give you examples until this thread reached over
10 pages, but that would just be an exercise in typing. I'm sure we can all
name hundreds of songs that are long gone and forgotten...some that
maybe never even got heard at all.

But all this got me to thinking, even for the "hits", what happens to these
songs? Do they really go forgotten? Will a day come when nobody is
going to remember "Good" by Better Than Ezra (just off the top of my head)

I mean, I remember when that song first came out and all the airplay it
got.

Today???

Is there anybody who even plays it anymore?

I don't remember the last time I heard a Renaissance song on the radio.

And some CDs...you can't even buy them anymore.

OK, I know I said I wouldn't start rattling off the long lost and forgotten
so let's get back to the philosophical discussion and where I'm going with
all this.

All these songs, big hit or small cult following, will there come a day when
it won't have even mattered that they were made at all?

I'm not talking about the end of mankind. Of course when that day comes,
nothing earthly will matter. I'm talking long before that day comes.

In 2112, should we even make it to that day, will it matter at all that
in 1970, "Something's Burning" By Kenny Rogers and the First Edition just
barely made the top 100 of that year?

Will the people of that era even know the song ever existed?

And if not, does it matter that it ever did beyond the instant gratification
that people of that era got from that song?

Sure, some songs will stand the test of time. But those songs are few
and far between. Even much early classical music has been lost to the
ages.

When was the last time you heard Schubert's 5th Symphony on the radio?

Many of my grandfather's 78s were never reprinted in CD format.

They're gone...forever.

The musical wasteland that is...it could fill up a black hole the size
of 100,000 of our moons.

And that would just barely scratch the surface.

And when I think of all that has been lost, or will be lost, it makes me
wonder what it's all for.

Yeah, that's why I try not to get too philosophical about this stuff because
ultimately...

It ends up taking me back to those college day rap sessions on the
meaning of life.

And that's when my head starts to hurt...big time.

PS - If you want to share some of your long lost and forgotten
tunes, I'm sure there are some here who would love to hear them.
  • Profile picture of the author Emma Stery
    I think about things like that often. With music and with books. How many books have been written and the author will be forgotten and their book may have only seen one print and only one copy exists in a Long Island Used Book store and will never be picked up again?

    I think technology now can digitize any music, much like AMC is trying to restore old Hollywood movies that are currently crumbling. It will be digitized and cataloged somewhere. And somewhere in this world, one person wished they could hear that Kenny Roger's song again - search for it and voila, it appears.

    But for all the music that has been lost due to obscurity or outdated materials... think of all the music that people have created and never wrote it down or even recorded (i.e. storytelling songs, vaudeville songs, prayers that are sung, or artists who dreamt of the perfect song)
    Somewhere there's a library of all these songs. Maybe some global consciousness database. =)

    I never had college day rap sessions on the meaning of life, so I had to do it now. Thanks for the opportunity. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
    A local radio station here in cleveland asked a similar question...

    "What popular bands of yesteryear haven't you heard in a while?"

    The first one I thought of was the band "Chicago"

    I haven't heard one of their songs in years.

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    • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
      Pop music is ephemeral at best. It seldom has an impact outside of its intended demographic so it fades away when the next pop hit comes out.

      So far as classical is concerned, it reaches a far broader audience because the music itself has more depth and addresses a broader range of emotions. Of course it is never heard on any pop media so some people think it's become an obscure niche. Your Schubert example prompted me to post because while reading your post Schubert's Trout quintet came on the radio. Syncronicity. Anyways, classical has a huge presence and a huge audience, it's just not talked about on "Entertainment Tonite".

      Here's a couple of stations that also broadcast over the net -

      From Paris, France - Radio Classique
      http://mp3.live.tv-radio.com/classiq...sique-128k.mp3

      From New York - WQXR-FM
      http://scj-01.media.qualitytech.com:...6BCT1_wqxr.mp3

      Lawrence

      I just realized, these are audio streams, so copy and paste to WinAmp or whatever.
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    • Profile picture of the author KimW
      Originally Posted by David Maschke View Post

      A local radio station here in cleveland asked a similar question...

      "What popular bands of yesteryear haven't you heard in a while?"

      The first one I thought of was the band "Chicago"

      I haven't heard one of their songs in years.

      Dave
      Iv'e seen Chicago on The Chris Issiak show on the biography channel early morning for the last two Sundays in a row.
      Check your local listings.
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    "And some CDs...you can't even buy them anymore."

    Heck Steven, A lot of music never made it to CD.
    I'm not getting into this discussion with you again, because you already know that I feel after the 90s(and that's stretching it) most music is crap, but I usually have to turn my vinyl into a cd to listen to it .

    Course, it's much easier nowadays than when we were putting vinyl onto 8 track tapes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by KimW View Post


      Course, it's much easier nowadays than when we were putting vinyl onto 8 track tapes.
      8 Track Tapes???? Gasp

      Now if that was ever a technology that was just horrible.

      I wonder who the moron was who came up with that idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrician
    I am deeply passionate about music. If a song 'speaks' to me or touches me, specifically in the solar plexus, ever once, to me it doesn't matter - 'one hit wonder', totally obscure, never got off he ground - it always has a place 'in my heart', so to speak, and when I hear it again, those same emotions are still there, decades later.

    Speaking of waxing philosophical. While everything is temporary, it is also permanent. Read up on the 'Akashic Record' - yes RECORD - the way the Stone's said it ' The Film that we are all on'. - So RECORD or FILM (video?)

    Actually referred to as 'The Book of Life', Akashic is Sanskrit 'Sky'. ("the Mind of God") -

    Written, listened, FELT, whatever has been created is a permanent record.


    Akashic records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The akashic records (akasha is a Sanskrit word meaning "sky", "space" or "aether") is a term used in theosophy (and Anthroposophy) to describe a compendium of mysticalplane of existence. These records are described to contain all knowledge of human experience and the history of the cosmos.

    They are metaphorically described as a library and other analogues commonly found in discourse on the subject include a "universal computer" and the "Mind of God". Descriptions of the records assert that they are constantly updated and that they can be accessed through astral projection. The concept originated in the theosophical movements of the 19th century, and remains prevalent in New Age discourse.


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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Hi Steven and All...

    You're being a "glass is half empty" person. Before the electric age, the only music was live. If you weren't in front of a musician, you didnt hear music.

    How many songs were sung before they could even be recorded? This is why songsters such as Leadbelly are so important.

    BTW, a songster is a musician that knows 1000's and 1000's of songs and were the "juke box" of their time.

    Then there's music like zydeco, which is a great American art form. We're not talking about "songs", but an entire art form that could be lost. You'll never hear zydeco on a "typical" radio station. But there's nothing more fun to listen to while having a beer and stomping your feet.



    Here's zydeco legend Queen Ida, singing in Cajun (french creole):

    The zydeco version of one of my favorite brownie mcgee and sonny terry songs: (w/the Neville brothers backing up)

    Here's the zydeco version of Bob Dylan:
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Steven,

      You're being a "glass is half empty" person. Before the electric age, the only music was live. If you weren't in front of a musician, you didnt hear music.

      Yeah, I guess you could say I am being a little downer on this thing. It's just
      that there is so much music out there that I know I've never even heard
      that I'd like to but will probably never get the chance to.

      Small example.

      A few months ago a friend of mine came over with a tape he made off
      of a radio station in Buffalo. I never heard any of the songs on this tape.

      It was an alternative station that played all underground music. Some of
      it was fantastic.

      Had he never made that tape and brought it over for me to listen to, I
      would have never heard these songs. Some of them I tried to look up on
      line to see if I could buy them from Amazon...nothing. It's like they don't
      even exist.

      Yes, I know we're fortunate to be living during a time when you can at
      least get recorded songs, something that a couple hundred years ago
      just wasn't possible.

      Maybe that's the problem...we're spoiled.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Yeah, I guess you could say I am being a little downer on this thing. It's just
        that there is so much music out there that I know I've never even heard
        that I'd like to but will probably never get the chance to.

        Small example.

        A few months ago a friend of mine came over with a tape he made off
        of a radio station in Buffalo. I never heard any of the songs on this tape.

        It was an alternative station that played all underground music. Some of
        it was fantastic.

        Had he never made that tape and brought it over for me to listen to, I
        would have never heard these songs. Some of them I tried to look up on
        line to see if I could buy them from Amazon...nothing. It's like they don't
        even exist.

        Yes, I know we're fortunate to be living during a time when you can at
        least get recorded songs, something that a couple hundred years ago
        just wasn't possible.

        Maybe that's the problem...we're spoiled.
        I would be that if we all compared the songs on our iPods, I would have fewer songs in common than anyone else. I have spent my life seeking out great music that isn't popular.

        I became very disillusioned with the crap of the 70's, my high school years. Most of the stuff people our age think of classics, I think sucks. So I started listening to older music. Like old country, rock and blues.

        My favorite era is the early 40's, when bands starting going electric. Listening to Muddy Waters at this time is fascinating...You listen as one by one, each member goes electric. First Willie Dixon on bass, then Little Walter on harmonica, then Muddy on guitar. This is the evolution of modern music.

        And this is the great thing about being able to record music. I didn't have to be alive in the 40's to hear Muddy Waters or Glen Miller, I just had to make a decision to listen to them. Same with many of the old blues bands. IMO, music is no better today than it was 50-70 years ago. But luckily, I can listen to 50 year old music.
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    PS...I guess the point of my post above is that how much great music is never heard just because it isn't popular? Pop music has buried a lot of great music....
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