The Father And Son Planning Meat-Free Immortality

8 years ago

How are they going to fix dead and damaged brain cells? You can't be truly mortal with a natural brain. Take a look at the 2045 initiative, their approach is to upload of brain's information to a computer which is then controlled by an avatar. That is a much more safe and easy approach.

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Yeah ... just what I'd like to put on my dinner table. Meat created in a lab. Yuk Double Yuk

Oh, and by the way, I think I'll stop by the shop and get a new liver dear. The old one is acting up a bit. Good luck with that.

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MikeTucker

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yeah ... just what I'd like to put on my dinner table. Meat created in a lab. Yuk Double Yuk

Oh, and by the way, I think I'll stop by the shop and get a new liver dear. The old one is acting up a bit. Good luck with that.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Yeah ... just what I'd like to put on my dinner table. Meat created in a lab. Yuk Double Yuk

Oh, and by the way, I think I'll stop by the shop and get a new liver dear. The old one is acting up a bit. Good luck with that.

lol. I wouldn't want meat created in a lab either.

Besides I don't want to live forever. And that's why I really hope there ain't a heaven. lol

I don't think I'd want to live in heaven for eternity.

Heaven actually sounds pretty darn boring.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Claude once did a lobotomy on himself while watching Wheel of Fortune.

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webmarketer

8 years ago

Nope. Going vegetarian or vegan is a better option. At least, for me.

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MikeTucker 8 years ago

Originally Posted by webmarketer

Nope. Going vegetarian or vegan is a better option. At least, for me.

Still so very cruel of you.

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8 years ago

Vegetarian is definitely a better option!

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sbucciarel Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by O0o0O

Vegetarian is definitely a better option!

Yeah ... right

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HeySal

8 years ago

So you go vegetarian - and have a few problems getting a few elements in your diet that only is supplied via animal product - such as Vit B12. So then you take supplements, which are created in the lab. Um................................

I have more love of animals than a vast majority of humans on this planet - but I also know that it's just stupid to think we can outsmart nature. We are omnivores. While I think a lot of people eat just way too much meat - I also think when you eat no animal product whatsoever, you're doing yourself harm. At least a little meat and eggs should be included in the diet even if you can't handle the idea of killing for food. That's what nature has designed you to do.

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Frank Donovan

8 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I have more love of animals than a vast majority of humans on this planet - but I also know that it's just stupid to think we can outsmart nature. We are omnivores. While I think a lot of people eat just way too much meat - I also think when you eat no animal product whatsoever, you're doing yourself harm. At least a little meat and eggs should be included in the diet even if you can't handle the idea of killing for food. That's what nature has designed you to do.

Technically, we're omnivores - thanks to the omnivorous diet of our distant ancestors - but over the last few million years on the way to becoming human, we adopted a mainly meat and fish-eating diet, and our digestive system changed from long and complex to short and simple accordingly. In fact, the human digestive system now is around 98% carnivore.

Regarding the article referred to in the OP; like that of all mad scientists, their quest for immortality is a fool's errand, but I do find it weird that people react with horror at the thought of lab-grown meat, when the same folks seem perfectly happy to shovel down all kinds of processed, reformed "meat products" that carry barely a passing acquaintance, if any at all, with the original animal.

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Princess Balestra 8 years ago

Gotta figure on the heart pumpin' yr guts right now with a view to securin' no less for the next accidentally blessed buncha MFs.
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HeySal

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Technically, we're omnivores - thanks to the omnivorous diet of our distant ancestors - but over the last few million years on the way to becoming human, we adopted a mainly meat and fish-eating diet, and our digestive system changed from long and complex to short and simple accordingly. In fact, the human digestive system now is around 98% carnivore.

Regarding the article referred to in the OP; like that of all mad scientists, their quest for immortality is a fool's errand, but I do find it weird that people react with horror at the thought of lab-grown meat, when the same folks seem perfectly happy to shovel down all kinds of processed, reformed "meat products" that carry barely a passing acquaintance, if any at all, with the original animal.

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I disagree with your comments on our digestive tract. Actually, our intestines are too long to efficienctly process meat - it sits in the tract too long, unlike in a pure carnivore such as canine, with the much shorter intestinal tract. We also have a less potent digestive acid than a pure carnivore. That means that the longer something sits in your body, the more likely you are to have bacterial reactions. I have learned to drink milk at the first sign of bacterial attack in my gut because it raises the amount of digestive acid to kill it, though.

All in all, though, you still need several of the nutrients that aren't found elsewhere in nature. So - a little meat - eggs are easier to process and are well rounded nutrient - so maybe more eggs than meat - and you don't have to kill for egg protien. Pure vegetarians are not known for the clean bill of health they want to be so proud of.

As far as lab food -- I won't touch GMO food. There's no way I'll eat something lab produced. That just doesn't make sense to me. If your body doesn't recognize it as food - it's not going to do you any good.

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Frank Donovan

8 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I disagree with your comments on our digestive tract. Actually, our intestines are too long to efficienctly process meat - it sits in the tract too long, unlike in a pure carnivore such as canine, with the much shorter intestinal tract.

Like that of canines, the human digestive system is monogastric but, as you say, dogs are pure carnivores and are more efficient at digesting meat. Nevertheless, humans are now adapted pretty well too. We have the small rib cages and short guts of meat-eaters. And although we're technically monogastric omnivores (like apes) our digestive system is shorter - apes have much longer guts and large cecums which are required to digest and ferment course foliage. Our guts aren't designed for that. In humans, what used to be the cecum has now atrophied into the appendix and is too small to act as a fermenting chamber for cellulose.

Our digestive system might not be pure carnivore, but it's better suited to digesting meat than plants.

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HeySal

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Like that of canines, the human digestive system is monogastric but, as you say, dogs are pure carnivores and are more efficient at digesting meat. Nevertheless, humans are now adapted pretty well too. We have the small rib cages and short guts of meat-eaters. And although we're technically monogastric omnivores (like apes) our digestive system is shorter - apes have much longer guts and large cecums which are required to digest and ferment course foliage. Our guts aren't designed for that. In humans, what used to be the cecum has now atrophied into the appendix and is too small to act as a fermenting chamber for cellulose.

Our digestive system might not be pure carnivore, but it's better suited to digesting meat than plants.

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Okay - so I half agree with you. There are a lot of plants that are easier for us to digest than meat, though. We can't digest a lot of seeds unless they are ground before eating. I think cheese is the hardest food to digest, but that might just be the calcium and not the animal protien.

Anyhow - we do agree on the important issue -- the body needs some meat to be truly healthy.

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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Okay - so I half agree with you. There are a lot of plants that are easier for us to digest than meat, though. We can't digest a lot of seeds unless they are ground before eating. I think cheese is the hardest food to digest, but that might just be the calcium and not the animal protien.

Anyhow - we do agree on the important issue -- the body needs some meat to be truly healthy.

Scroll down past the first bit and read on from Health & Nutrition, interesting reading.

Why People Must Be Vegetarian By Sume Ching Hai | Petrene Soames' Blog

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Frank Donovan

8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Scroll down past the first bit and read on from Health & Nutrition, interesting reading.

Why People Must Be Vegetarian By Sume Ching Hai | Petrene Soames' Blog

That's a standard piece of vegetarian propaganda, complete with incorrect statements, bad science and outdated nutritional beliefs. I accept the point made about the antibiotics and growth hormones fed to animals - as with all food, we need to be sure of the provenance of what we eat. But humans have been predominantly meat and fish-eaters for at least the last 2.4 million years. Grains and cereals have been a significant part of the human diet only since the agricultural revolution, some 10,000 years ago. We know all this from the evidence of fossil records. Our bodies are adapted to process meat rather than plants.

The political and environmental issues of large-scale meat production are another matter. And as far as the ethics of meat-eating is concerned, it's worth bearing in mind that if it wasn't for the meat and fish diet of our ancestors, which provided the necessary nutrients to grow human intelligence, we wouldn't be in a position now to have that debate.

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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

That's a standard piece of vegetarian propaganda, complete with incorrect statements, bad science and outdated nutritional beliefs. I accept the point made about the antibiotics and growth hormones fed to animals - as with all food, we need to be sure of the provenance of what we eat. But humans have been predominantly meat and fish-eaters for at least the last 2.4 million years. Grains and cereals have been a significant part of the human diet only since the agricultural revolution, some 10,000 years ago. We know all this from the evidence of fossil records. Our bodies are adapted to process meat rather than plants.

The political and environmental issues of large-scale meat production are another matter. And as far as the ethics of meat-eating is concerned, it's worth bearing in mind that if it wasn't for the meat and fish diet of our ancestors, which provided the necessary nutrients to grow human intelligence, we wouldn't be in a position now to have that debate.

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Here's the case for the carnivore. Another interesting read.

Why All Humans Need to Eat Meat for Health | Breaking Muscle

Added: Ironically, the human population being 7 times what it should has led to intensive animal production to support us. So good meat won't kill us but the excessive methane will with its contributing effects on our atmosphere degradation.Not to mention what we and Claude produce.