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OK, so here is a weird thought I just had. Recently I have gone all pacifist and stopped killing spiders when I find them in my apartment. Instead I throw them out of the window.

Is this really any kinder? I live of the third floor so its kind of a long drop. Could a spider survive that?

Weird thing to post I know. I just launched one out of the window a second ago and the thought struck me. Would it be kinder to just squish them?
  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

    Could a spider survive that?
    Yes, I'm pretty sure a spider could survive a fall from virtually any height: because they are so light, they would reach terminal velocity (the point at which they stop falling faster) in as little as a second or two and it would only be 1 or 2 metres a second (compared to the average human, who reaches terminal velocity at about 120 mph). Also, because their mass is so tiny, their kinetic energy (the energy something has by virtue of it's motion) would be pretty tiny too. Therefore, when they do hit the ground, they would only have to absorb a tiny fraction of the energy that a human, or larger object, would.

    Ergo... they'll scuttle away and carry on their life (assuming they aren't squished by pedestrians upon landing, that is).

    Tommy.

    P.S. - I may be calculating this wrong but, if you have a spider, weighting 1 gramme, falling at 2 metres per second, it's kinetic energy would be 0.002 joules. In contrast, the kinetic energy of a 12-stone man falling at 120mph is about 110,000 joules! That's what man goes splat and spider runs off.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    No a spider will not survive a fall - their abdomens split like water balloons. I put a glass over them, slide a paper under the glass and take them out and empty the glass on the ground.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      I liked spiders till the other day when I came home and found my bird nearly cocooned.

      After unwrapping him, later that evening he fell of the perch and died.

      Found out after taking a picture and comparing it to other spiders on
      Google that it was an Hobo Spider.

      I grabbed a can of Carburetor cleaner and a lighter and toasted his/her
      rear including the eggs near the web.

      I Couldn't let them live knowing my grand children play here.

      Just spraying spiders with poison doesn't aways work.

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      • Profile picture of the author Ehanson
        Micheal, god! What kind of bird was it? How big are these spiders?

        I don't like killing spider because we have the small jumping kind and daddy long legs in my house. I didn't mind killing before until one jumped on me when I was trying to get it with a tissue. Counter attack I guess. Now I use a big shoe to do the job.

        Yesterday night I was up late writing an article and a spider crawled across my desk racing toward the keyboard (and me). I didn't have a shoe available in time so I had to improvise and use the mouse.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgettaSterling
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      No a spider will not survive a fall - their abdomens split like water balloons. I put a glass over them, slide a paper under the glass and take them out and empty the glass on the ground.
      I do this too. I don't mind a few, discrete spiders in the house - they kill other bugs, and I don't want a lot of bugs in my house. So - spiders aren't "evil" to me, as long as they don't over-run the place.

      I DO escort out black widow and brown recluse spiders (both poisonous). Even if they bite me accidentally, I will still suffer terribly (or die?), and I seem to have pretty strong allergic reactions to other bug bites, so I don't want to risk it.

      That said - I have noticed that some of the spiders that I catch and escort outside appear dead when I let them out of the glass. Perhaps the stress gave them a "heart attack"???

      I used to be really chicken about bugs, but somehow with age came some sort of courage or recklessness. Honestly, I used to be just like Nat when it came to spiders and other "large" bugs:

      Regards, Georgetta
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      • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
        Sometimes when viewed through an adrenalin induced reality distortion field bugs can seem much larger.

        I posted this a while ago, it seems more appropriate here:


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        • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
          Originally Posted by Lawrh View Post

          Sometimes when viewed through an adrenalin induced reality distortion field bugs can seem much larger.

          I posted this a while ago, it seems more appropriate here:


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          I know roughly the size as I was using a good sized coffee mug and it was tricky to fit it all in. Usually spiders don't phase me at all, it was the size of it and the fact I had no idea of its traits that gave me an edge of aprehension. It could have been a jumping spider for all I knew lol. If I knew it was harmless then I wouldn't have been bothered, normal house spiders sometimes get quite large but I know that a bite from them is no worse than a bee sting, I just don't want them crawling over me while I sleep.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    last week I found a spider the size of my fist. It was bright orange an white. I have never seen this type of spider. I live in UK and we dont really have many spiders like this. There is a fruit packing place near me, i wondered if it came from there.

    I have tried to find a picture of it online but have had no joy.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      last week I found a spider the size of my fist. It was bright orange an white. I have never seen this type of spider. I live in UK and we dont really have many spiders like this. There is a fruit packing place near me, i wondered if it came from there.

      I have tried to find a picture of it online but have had no joy.
      Can you describe that thing better? what parts were what color? And are you sure it was orange and not red? Or that the white wasn't yellowish or tan?
      Be specific because I want to know what it was, too and will help you look it up.
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      • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        Can you describe that thing better? what parts were what color? And are you sure it was orange and not red? Or that the white wasn't yellowish or tan?
        Be specific because I want to know what it was, too and will help you look it up.
        It had a fat body and thin legs. It was on my curtains that are cream coloured and the white appeared lighter than the cream of the curtain. The orange was a light shade. I wish I had taken a picture of it now, but it was freaking me out at the time and i just wanted to get rid of it.

        I have only found 1 website that lets me identify spiders and it just had UK spiders on it. Maybe there is an IM opportunity here somewhere lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    I do what Sal does if any of my daughters have seen the spider (they don't like them and get a bit hysterical if I don't put them out), or I'll just pick it up with my hands if I think I can do it without hurting it. If no one's seen it, I usually just leave it where it is.

    And if I met Guerilla's orange and white spider, I think I'd just... leave. Quickly. Screaming. Loudly
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Originally Posted by Diana Lane View Post

      I do what Sal does if any of my daughters have seen the spider (they don't like them and get a bit hysterical if I don't put them out), or I'll just pick it up with my hands if I think I can do it without hurting it. If no one's seen it, I usually just leave it where it is.

      And if I met Guerilla's orange and white spider, I think I'd just... leave. Quickly. Screaming. Loudly
      Diana posted exactly what I was going to post:

      1. I agree with Sal, and

      2. That big orange and white spider would seriously freak me out. I'd probably have to move.

      Cheers,
      Becky

      p.s. Maybe instead of throwing the spider out the window, you should just set it to crawl on outside wall or the window frame or something.
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      • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
        Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        p.s. Maybe instead of throwing the spider out the window, you should just set it to crawl on outside wall or the window frame or something.
        Its only the big ones I throw out the window because they freak me out. I live on third floor so only way they got in is through the window, I don't trust them to leave on their own accord.

        I think the thing that freaks me out is the speed that they move. I don't know if anyone else agree's, but i get the impression they are cleverer than they let on.

        My investigation into the orange and white spider has hit a dead end. I went through every listed UK spider and closest I found was the common garden spider that is much smaller and is striped. This one was more like camouflage, not striped. It still freaks me out as I think it may come back when im asleep lol.
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        • Profile picture of the author Thomas
          Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

          It still freaks me out as I think it may come back when im asleep.
          Despite your avatar, I hope to God that you're a girl. If not, your "man-cred" just took a massive nose-dive with that comment...
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          • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
            Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

            Despite your avatar, I hope to God that you're a girl. If not, your "man-cred" just took a massive nose-dive with that comment...
            Hahaha.. Man cred gone, that thing freaked me out.

            I shoulda just killed it I guess but I don't like to kill anything I'm not going to eat and it didn't look very appetising.
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  • Profile picture of the author markbrown0316
    For sure the spider survived, spider find their way to stick their web into something.
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Nature is evil

    It thrives upon death & disease

    Once I was working with this crazy meth addict dude. A big preying mantis was sitting on a window sill we were about to paint.

    He was standing there gazing up close at this preying mantis.

    I came along and squished it right in front of this dude and he had some crazy freaked out buzz on that. Its guts splurted right out.

    Yep and when I was a little kid about 6 I guess one night when dad was out we had a mouse running around the house.

    7 kids and the mother chasing this little mouse around and screaming - we were gunna catch it and let it go.

    We chased it to the kitchen door - dad walked in the door and squashed it splat.

    He wasn't too popular for a day or so.

    Yeah so for insects and vermin kill'n stuff can be fun

    Actually on the subject of spiders and altitude - spiders have been found in the upper atmosphere riding the jetstream and are able to circumnavigate the planet because they weigh so little - I 5hit you not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kirahster
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      I 5hit you not.
      Quote of the century!
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    • Profile picture of the author teleam
      Originally Posted by gareth View Post

      Nature is evil

      He was standing there gazing up close at this preying mantis.

      I came along and squished it right in front of this dude and he had some crazy freaked out buzz on that. Its guts splurted right out.
      Killing preying mantis is outlawed in some states so is the lady bug. Do you know how many mice a preying mantis eats? They are benefical insects.

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    Wow, international flying spider invasion. Now I am scared!
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  • Profile picture of the author RB Riddick
    Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

    Could a spider survive that?
    That might depend on whether a street is beneath your apartment window.

    Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

    Yes, I'm pretty sure a spider could survive a fall from virtually any height...
    This might depend on the size of the spider, and whether there's a street beneath.

    Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

    my "if it's in my house, it's fair game" policy of flattening as quickly as possible.
    This is my policy too.

    Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

    My investigation into the orange and white spider has hit a dead end. I went through every listed UK spider
    Maybe it's not a UK spider...


    (I can't include links yet, so...)

    Poisonous spider found in bananas [UK]
    search: "Tuesday, 13 July, 2004, 15:15 GMT 16:15 UK"

    or
    Stowaway spider is found in bananas [UK, but different story]
    search: "Stowaway spider" "Publication date: 9/4/2007"

    Only a couple of results should come up with these 2 searches.


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  • Profile picture of the author dave830
    Found a black widow in my garage. So me and all the arachnids in my yard came to an understanding. If they enter the premises, they will most likely come to a quick (and painless) demise.

    If they stay outside, more power to them.

    So far so good.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Sounds like it could be a breed of Garden or Cross spider, but all I've seen about those is that they are pretty small. I'm remembering a post I saw a year or two back that there were some red and white spiders that were importing places via airplanes and they were parking under toilet seats where they would bite (and subsequently kill) people. I'm not sure how large those get, but it reminded me of that one. I'm trying to remember where they were from though - might be a relation between them.
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    • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      Sounds like it could be a breed of Garden or Cross spider, but all I've seen about those is that they are pretty small. I'm remembering a post I saw a year or two back that there were some red and white spiders that were importing places via airplanes and they were parking under toilet seats where they would bite (and subsequently kill) people. I'm not sure how large those get, but it reminded me of that one. I'm trying to remember where they were from though - might be a relation between them.
      Yes it was a similar shape to the cross spider but the legs looked different and the abdomen a slightly different shape.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Tsk... all these scardy-cat girly answers! Please refer to post #2. for the proper logical answer. (I don't care if I'm wrong, I'm still right.)
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  • Profile picture of the author lilhay
    You are better than me brother. I kill them on sight!
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  • Profile picture of the author cheesy
    I usually let them be haha. I dont see them doing any harm, unless their close to were i sleep, then ill probably kill it, the thought of it going into my mouth when im sleeping...
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  • Profile picture of the author gareth
    Actually I like spiders -- I wonder how they really percieve us - they are highly sensitive to vibration for example

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  • Profile picture of the author haikuangel
    Throwing them out of your window, i would say that yea to some degree it is a bit more humane but I think it would be better if you can make a spider box, and put them in there, then use the box to release them in a more suitable habitat such as a park or backyard foliage.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgand
    Moving outside is a kind thing to do. I try to just scare them away, but sometimes you have to get rid of them. But they do serve a purpose they are useful for getting rid of other insects.
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  • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
    I have softened on spiders. I used to hate them but anything that goes to war against bugs is officially on my side.

    I was housesitting at my sisters and every morning when I headed to the gym I would walk through this damn spider web. EVERY morning.

    One morning I was sitting on the porch and was like "no way I walk into this spider web" Right before I knocked it down I saw some grotesque flying insect heading towards me- being a guy who hates bugs I was about to dodge it when BAM it got stuck in the spider web.

    So me and spiders...we cool.
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