Thank you for paying your debt to society...now give me $20,000

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Illinois is suing some prisoners for room and board costs incurred while they were in prison.

State sues prisoners to pay for their room, board - Chicago Tribune

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    People keep linking to sites that want to force you to pay to read or to register. Not going to do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      People keep linking to sites that want to force you to pay to read or to register. Not going to do it.
      Do the Google trick. Type the title of the article into Google and click on the link from there.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

        Do the Google trick. Type the title of the article into Google and click on the link from there.
        I'm too lazy and lose interest quickly. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I'm too lazy and lose interest quickly. lol
          What were you talking about again?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Who said crime doesn't pay? Looks like they are paying now.
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    • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      People keep linking to sites that want to force you to pay to read or to register. Not going to do it.
      Strange, I didn't get blocked and I'm not registered. Sorry about that - here's a quote:

      "The $31,690 Johnny Melton received to settle a lawsuit over his mother's death was going to help him start life anew after prison.

      But before he was released, after 15 months in prison for a drug conviction, the Illinois Department of Corrections sued Melton and won nearly $20,000 to cover the cost of his incarceration. When Melton was paroled earlier this year, he was forced to go to a homeless shelter, then was taken in by a cousin. He got food stamps. When he died in June, according to his family, he was destitute.


      "He didn't have a dime," said one of Melton's sisters, Denise Melton, of Chicago. "We had to scuffle up money to cremate him."


      The lawsuit against Melton was one of a small but growing number of cases the prisons department brings each year against inmates to recoup the cost of their imprisonment, an effort intended to help fund operations that makes convicted felons feel a financial pinch for their crimes — in addition to the time they do.


      The lawsuits, in some cases, target convicted murderers or sex offenders serving lengthy prison terms. Some inmates will never get out; others will be released when they are elderly. But many of the lawsuits target less serious offenders who have earned or come into relatively modest sums of money, whether through an inheritance, a trust fund or, as in Melton's case, the settlement of a wrongful death lawsuit.


      Either way, critics say the lawsuits make it harder for paroled prisoners to get back on their feet, defeating the department's goals of rehabilitation and cutting recidivism. Because financial stability and a job are key to not returning to prison, taking away an inmate's financial safety net increases the odds they return to crime or, at least, be dependent on taxpayers, as Melton was when he went on food stamps. Lawmakers around the country, and even President Barack Obama, have focused recently on such re-entry issues."

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

        Strange, I didn't get blocked and I'm not registered. Sorry about that - here's a quote:
        Thanks for the quote. That really should be illegal to do that if a fine wasn't part of the original sentence, but when has law enforcement ever concerned themselves with legality?

        It's like the cops who confiscate money when doing car searches and finding no crime ... take the money anyway. I call it highway robbery.
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        • Profile picture of the author joe golfer
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Thanks for the quote. That really should be illegal to do that if a fine wasn't part of the original sentence, but when has law enforcement ever concerned themselves with legality?

          It's like the cops who confiscate money when doing car searches and finding no crime ... take the money anyway. I call it highway robbery.
          I remember driving through Kansas years ago. I drive like an old guy, ambling along at the speed limit. A Highway Patrol zoomed up behind me in the middle of an empty highway and appeared to be checking out my license plates.

          Seeing my out-of-state plates, he pulled up alongside me and motioned me to pull over at the next exit. He seemed overly aggressive for no reason, as I drive slow and my car is as boring as you can get. I figured the only trigger was my out-of-state plates.

          He asked me where I was going and where I was coming from. Nowadays, I don't answer those questions, but at the time I gave him the straight skinny. He seemed disappointed I wasn't a strong candidate for carrying illicit contraband or weapons and motioned me on my way.

          It seemed strange to me then, and to this day I don't think he had any legal reason for pulling me over. It didn't bother me because at first I thought he was going to tell me something important about an accident down the road or something. Now I think he we looking for drugs, wads of cash or maybe a box of fresh donuts.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by joe golfer View Post

            I remember driving through Kansas years ago. I drive like an old guy, ambling along at the speed limit. A Highway Patrol zoomed up behind me in the middle of an empty highway and appeared to be checking out my license plates.

            Seeing my out-of-state plates, he pulled up alongside me and motioned me to pull over at the next exit. He seemed overly aggressive for no reason, as I drive slow and my car is as boring as you can get. I figured the only trigger was my out-of-state plates.

            He asked me where I was going and where I was coming from. Nowadays, I don't answer those questions, but at the time I gave him the straight skinny. He seemed disappointed I wasn't a strong candidate for carrying illicit contraband or weapons and motioned me on my way.

            It seemed strange to me then, and to this day I don't think he had any legal reason for pulling me over. It didn't bother me because at first I thought he was going to tell me something important about an accident down the road or something. Now I think he we looking for drugs, wads of cash or maybe a box of fresh donuts.
            It most likely was your out of state tags and you're probably lucky that you weren't searched, whether or not you did anything illegal.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    What are they going to do If you don't pay, throw you in jail?

    Looks like an easy counter lawsuit.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      What are they going to do If you don't pay, throw you in jail?

      Looks like an easy counter lawsuit.
      It looks like they target people who have come into a little money and they take them to court and they take the money, so they don't really have a choice.

      But before he was released, after 15 months in prison for a drug conviction, the Illinois Department of Corrections sued Melton and won nearly $20,000 to cover the cost of his incarceration. When Melton was paroled earlier this year, he was forced to go to a homeless shelter, then was taken in by a cousin. He got food stamps. When he died in June, according to his family, he was destitute.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        It looks like they target people who have come into a little money and they take them to court and they take the money, so they don't really have a choice.


        But before he was released, after 15 months in prison for a drug conviction, the Illinois Department of Corrections sued Melton and won nearly $20,000 to cover the cost of his incarceration. When Melton was paroled earlier this year, he was forced to go to a homeless shelter, then was taken in by a cousin. He got food stamps. When he died in June, according to his family, he was destitute.

        So they kick a man while he's down. That's pathetic.

        Even If the guy had lived, what was their plan for collecting money? Throw the guy in jail for not paying a fine for being thrown in jail against his own will?

        Next they'll fine people for breathing too much air.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          So they kick a man while he's down. That's pathetic.

          Even If they guy had lived, what was their plan for collecting money? Throw the guy in jail for not paying a fine for being thrown in jail against his own will?

          Next they'll fine people for breathing too much air.
          I just don't understand how that is at all legal if the fine is not part of the original sentence. The sentence is the punishment owed for the crime and they are tacking this on after the fact, and they are picking and choosing inmates that have come into some money, so not everyone is charged room and board. Only some. This should be challenged in court.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            I just don't understand how that is at all legal if the fine is not part of the original sentence. The sentence is the punishment owed for the crime and they are tacking this on after the fact, and they are picking and choosing inmates that have come into some money, so not everyone is charged room and board. Only some. This should be challenged in court.

            The family should sue on his behalf just to make a point.
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  • Profile picture of the author mydream247
    And people ask me why I moved from Chicago Illinois at age 17 when my mom died, between Crime, Jobless Rate, and Stupid Ideas like suing people who have Nothing to there name, made the decision easy for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It is legal in quite a few states - the laws sometimes specify that a prisoner able to pay or repay the cost of his incarceration can be used for those funds.

      It's not totally crazy - why should taxpayers foot the bill for housing and caring for a millionaire in prison for murder or an inmate who received financial awards for lawsuits filed while in prison. That was the thinking behind the laws.

      Illinois is strapped for cash which is probably why Chicago is trying to get back as much money as they can. They are going too far and that law needs to be revisited.
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