Up to 90% of Cancers Are Not Caused by Bad Luck!

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Good to see some of the BS is dissipating!

Study suggests cancer is not 'just bad luck' - BBC News

Environment may play a large role in cancer - CNN.com

So, we can reduce our chances of getting Cancer by up to 90%!

Although at least in Au, our media tend to say that sun exposure still increases your chances, (eventhough in actual fact it does the opposite).

But apparently sun exposure damage is cumulative,.....yeah, right?


People that put tiles on roofs for a living and do it, for 30 years, apparently carry a magic wand, since there is no measurable increase over them, and the general population???????


30% of Australians aren't buying this crap, thankfully, so drug company's need to come up with some better lies, l think!

B-grade, propaganda ad,s, ain't working!

  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Boy is that old news. I've never heard anyone say that cancer was caused by bad luck. Not once. For as long as I can remember, it's chemicals, cigarettes, environmental pollutants, shit in our food that doesn't belong there. Crap in the water that doesn't belong there.
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      ...and genetics.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        ...and genetics.
        Absolutely. Forgot about a predisposition to certain cancers than run in families.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        ...and genetics.
        And lifestyle.

        The genetics aspect certainly worries me, since my father and one sister died of cancer, and another sister is a cancer survivor - plus a grandmother, aunt, and uncle - although all were different types of cancer.

        I think the "luck" part comes into play (at least to some degree) in the sense that despite all we (science) know about cancer, there's still the question as to why some people never get cancer, in spite of multiple risk factors, and others do... And we're all exposed to myriad unavoidable environmental toxins to some degree, despite doing as much as possible to avoid them. Sometimes it does feel like a bit of a crap shoot.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          And lifestyle.

          The genetics aspect certainly worries me, since my father and one sister died of cancer, and another sister is a cancer survivor - plus a grandmother, aunt, and uncle - although all were different types of cancer.

          I think the "luck" part comes into play (at least to some degree) in the sense that despite all we (science) know about cancer, there's still the question as to why some people never get cancer, in spite of multiple risk factors, and others do... And we're all exposed to myriad unavoidable environmental toxins to some degree, despite doing as much as possible to avoid them. Sometimes it does feel like a bit of a crap shoot.
          Genetics usually requires several generations to manifest, but Doctors flippantly use it to explain family issues!

          Fear, can and does play a big part, especially if you believe doctors?

          Our genetics, or DNA has been proven to be modified by our thoughtforms, within our lifetimes.

          So a family member gets Cancer, doctors say it is genetic, (after all their primary cure is genetic based) the family member dies, since the doctors regime is ineffective, and the family has to take out a second mortgage!

          Then most of the males of females, are scared to death about getting it!

          Eventhough genetically they shouldn't have to worry about it at all, their children's, children, or at worst, their future offspring have to worry about it!

          But there is no money in that so,......


          But l do agree that some people who slip, slop and slap their brains out, still get skin Cancer.

          Which shouldn't happen, so obviously skin Cancer and the sun are not related, (unless as others have said, get burned all the time, and it might be)?

          But Phar, company's are up there with Monsato, and the doctors have to play ball, or lose their jobs!

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          • Profile picture of the author Cali16
            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            So a family member gets Cancer, doctors say it is genetic...
            Just to be clear; no doctor blamed any of my family members' or relatives' cancer on "genetics", to the best of my knowledge. I highly doubt any ethical oncologist would tell someone his or her cancer was simply "due to genetics" as that's just one of many possible contributing factors, and they know that. But it's a well-established fact that the risk for some cancers, such as breast cancer, definitely increases if a first-degree relative has had that particular cancer.

            My point was if there is a genetic propensity towards cancer, then I do wonder if it runs in my family. But I don't believe (and wasn't suggesting) that genetics was the cause; rather, just something that may have increased their risk and thus increases my risk as well.

            I am very mindful of the heightened possibility because of my family history, but I don't dwell on it. I just try to do things that help reduce my risk as much as possible.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Did you actually read the articles you cited? While they used the term bad luck in the titles, the articles did not mean bad luck as in the roll of the dice. If you read the articles, they attribute cancer to environmental, genetic, lifestyle, etc. factors. And while you could say it was bad luck to be exposed to carcinogens or to have a genetic predisposition or for mutations to go haywire, etc., simply bad luck is not the cause of cancer and you will not find anywhere that means that heads you get cancer, tails you don't.
              Researchers at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine have found that the majority of cancers occur as the result of plain bad luck, and not because of an unhealthy lifestyle or for genetic reasons. Of 31 cancers studied by the scientists, 22 are caused by random mistakes in cell division beyond human control. The other nine cancers, which include lung and skin, however, are likely caused by either genetics or lifestyle factors, and have a higher risk associated with them.
              Well, l did say "roll of the dice" not spin of a coin!

              And l did read the bulk of what l posted, (to be sure)!

              The old research quote above, used by the media, seemed to voice that it is random, and it doesn't matter what we do, if we get it then that is it!

              I know that l might be proving that Medicine can put out wrong or harmful information, but from what l posted before that should come as no surprise, (10 years saying that radium is safe, by so called experts).

              The obvious question should be "is this intentional, or a big mistake"?

              Doesn't matter what the subject is, if it has holes, and doesn't make sense, then it shouldn't be taken at face value!

              I know that the herd don't like to be spooked, but truth is truth!

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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                I know that the herd don't like to be spooked, but truth is truth!
                I'm not in the least bit spooked. We all die of something or other and I live a healthy lifestyle in a place with clean air and water and avoid pesticides and other chemicals. I'm already on my way to being old as dirt, so can't complain. You are the one who is spooked or just using this as yet another opportunity to rail against doctors and pharma.
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  I'm not in the least bit spooked. We all die of something or other and I live a healthy lifestyle in a place with clean air and water and avoid pesticides and other chemicals. I'm already on my way to being old as dirt, so can't complain. You are the one who is spooked or just using this as yet another opportunity to rail against doctors and pharma.
                  True, that l cannot prove that it was intentional, (eventhough their track record, isn't perfect) but skin Cancer that is another subject!

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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                    True, that l cannot prove that it was intentional, (eventhough their track record, isn't perfect) but skin Cancer that is another subject!
                    Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Slippity Slappy Bippity Bappy. Don't you ever tire of it? {rolleyes}
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                    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Slippity Slappy Bippity Bappy. Don't you ever tire of it? {rolleyes}
                      Sure, l am pretty sick of the Slip, Slop Slap campaign, especially the 2000 version!

                      Tire of the media, leaving out key information, no, not really!

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                    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. Slippity Slappy Bippity Bappy. Don't you ever tire of it? {rolleyes}
                      I did not realize you were home-schooled. :-)

                      Should be: "Slippity, slappity - bibbity, babbity - you're obviously full of crippity, crappity.

                      Cheers. - Frank
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                        I did not realize you were home-schooled. :-)

                        Should be: "Slippity, slappity - bibbity, babbity - you're obviously full of crippity, crappity.

                        Cheers. - Frank
                        Actually, I'm full of Crippity Crappy. Comes from all that Crappy fishing.
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                        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          Actually, I'm full of Crippity Crappy. Comes from all that Crappy fishing.
                          Well, I was trying to be nice and not state the obvious. lol

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                        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          Actually, I'm full of Crippity Crappy. Comes from all that Crappy fishing.
                          I am not touching that with a 10 foot pole!

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                          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                            I am not touching that with a 10 foot pole!
                            Actually spelled Crappie, but I was having fun with it.

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                          • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                            I am not touching that with a 10 foot pole!

                            I figure this is where we lose the plot completely.
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                            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                              Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                              I figured you'd be waitin' in a van on the end of a cell phone, but I jus' checked the parkin' lot outside the tent an' it is full.

                              There is a burger bar a coupla blocks down with someplace you can hole up for 30 minutes, but don't be too long cos that gal is gonna bite her BFs ear off if the cards turn out bad.
                              Lucky guy?

                              Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                              I figure this is where we lose the plot completely.
                              The tech, term is train wreck!

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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Well, l did say "roll of the dice" not spin of a coin!
                Thank you, Shane. You cleared that up for me.
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              • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Well, l did say "roll of the dice" not spin of a coin!
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                • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                  Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                  I think that the guy there, is concentrating more on, should l eat that blue gummyteddybear, and there is no way l can stand up now!

                  Besides no one there looks like me, sorry Princess!


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                  • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post


                    Besides no one there looks like me, sorry Princess!


                    I figured you'd be waitin' in a van on the end of a cell phone, but I jus' checked the parkin' lot outside the tent an' it is full.

                    There is a burger bar a coupla blocks down with someplace you can hole up for 30 minutes, but don't be too long cos that gal is gonna bite her BFs ear off if the cards turn out bad.
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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Genetics usually requires several generations to manifest, but Doctors flippantly use it to explain family issues!

            Fear, can and does play a big part, especially if you believe doctors?

            Our genetics, or DNA has been proven to be modified by our thoughtforms, within our lifetimes.
            No it doesn't... I'm trying to stay away
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              No it doesn't... I'm trying to stay away
              This won't end well. lol

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            • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              No it doesn't... I'm trying to stay away


              Lee, Lee, Lee....

              Haven't I warned you about this?
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              • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                Lee, Lee, Lee....

                Haven't I warned you about this?
                Is that his full name?
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                • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                  Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

                  Lee, Lee, Lee....
                  Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                  Is that his full name?
                  Obviously he's a Chinese doctor.

                  Lee Lee Lee MD.
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                  • Profile picture of the author butters
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                    Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                    Obviously he's a Chinese doctor.

                    Lee Lee Lee MD.
                    I'm doing a rip off version of house
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                  • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
                    Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                    Obviously he's a Chinese doctor.

                    Lee Lee Lee MD.
                    He studies Reproductive endocrinology and Infertility (REI), and was taught by Prof Mi Hung Lo.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

                      He studies Reproductive endocrinology and Infertility (REI), and was taught by Prof Mi Hung Lo.
                      Professor Mi Hung Lo has a doctorate in Oncology. Google it.

                      You'll find that Shane is right.

                      92% of cancers are not caused by bad luck. Bad luck, as a separate force, is weaker in this universe. In the Casino Universe, Good Luck bleeds into our reality. we call it Karma, after the Elephant God, Carmilla.


                      48% of cancers are caused by past lives trauma, usually involving a divining rod, or an Ouija Board. The radiation from these past lives moves in retro-time, riding on Neutrinos. And we feel it in our time line as sickness. Unfortunately, for Neutrino carried, past lives trauma induced cancers, there is only one cure......and it involves NASA....

                      And there is NO WAY I'm relying on NASA for my cures. Plus a little Ginger, but I don't know how much.

                      The other 7% of cancers are caused by the psychic trauma of laterally experienced simultaneous Deja Vu. If you experience Deja Vu, at the same time you see the actual event...it activates the pituitary gland, causing the psychic backwash, to lodge in the hypocampus. And that's where brain cancer comes from. Google it. It's what killed Nokola Tessler, the Father of electrically induced intuitive good luck powers.

                      And experiencing Deja Vu at the same time, as the event, is indistinguishable from real time events happening in real time. I just wish NASA would tell us that they already know these things. Jerks. Social Paths!


                      You're welcome, Shane...You're welcome.


                      PS, Did you guys feel that? Just now? It's the universe...it just started expanding again. I'll keep you posted.
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                      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Professor Mi Hung Lo has a doctorate in Oncology. Google it.

                        You'll find that Shane is right.

                        92% of cancers are not caused by bad luck. Bad luck, as a separate force, is weaker in this universe. In the Casino Universe, Good Luck bleeds into our reality. we call it Karma, after the Elephant God, Carmilla.


                        48% of cancers are caused by past lives trauma, usually involving a divining rod, or an Ouija Board. The radiation from these past lives moves in retro-time, riding on Neutrinos. And we feel it in our time line as sickness. Unfortunately, for Neutrino carried, past lives trauma induced cancers, there is only one cure......and it involves NASA....

                        And there is NO WAY I'm relying on NASA for my cures. Plus a little Ginger, but I don't know how much.

                        The other 7% of cancers are caused by the psychic trauma of laterally experienced simultaneous Deja Vu. If you experience Deja Vu, at the same time you see the actual event...it activates the pituitary gland, causing the psychic backwash, to lodge in the hypocampus. And that's where brain cancer comes from. Google it. It's what killed Nokola Tessler, the Father of electrically induced intuitive good luck powers.

                        And experiencing Deja Vu at the same time, as the event, is indistinguishable from real time events happening in real time. I just wish NASA would tell us that they already know these things. Jerks. Social Paths!


                        You're welcome, Shane...You're welcome.


                        PS, Did you guys feel that? Just now? It's the universe...it just started expanding again. I'll keep you posted.
                        How did you become privy to this secret knowledge? There are only two copies of this manuscript in existence. One is owned by Shane Tagiscom and the other by a guy named Kindle.

                        When reading your books I had the suspicion that you had encoded them into the text. Sure enough, using sophisticated software I was able to decode your cypher system which involved sophisticated line skips on the horizontal and vertical plane to make sentences.

                        From that, I could do simple searches using keywords. So, typing in Claude Whitacre for example I was able to find, on the same page, Claude Whitacre...Dounuts...He shall consume them, and other equally profound statements.

                        My new book on this, "The Drivell Code" is to be released shortly.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                          How did you become privy to this secret knowledge? There are only two copies of this manuscript in existence. One is owned by Shane Tagiscom and the other by a guy named Kindle.

                          When reading your books I had the suspicion that you had encoded them into the text. Sure enough, using sophisticated software I was able to decode your cypher system which involved sophisticated line skips on the horizontal and vertical plane to make sentences.

                          From that, I could do simple searches using keywords. So, typing in Claude Whitacre for example I was able to find, on the same page, Claude Whitacre...Dounuts...He shall consume them, and other equally profound statements.

                          My new book on this, "The Drivell Code" is to be released shortly.
                          Actually, I just choke myself until my higher brain functions cease...and then I start writing.
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                          • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            Actually, I just choke myself until my higher brain functions cease...and then I start writing.
                            You follow Shane's teachings Grasshopper.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        PS, Did you guys feel that? Just now? It's the universe...it just started expanding again. I'll keep you posted.
                        Sorry. I thought it was the universe. It was just my ego.
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                        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          Sorry. I thought it was the universe. It was just my ego.
                          "Sorry. I thought it was the universe. It was just my Stomach."

                          Fixed
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                      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
                        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                        Bad luck, as a separate force
                        Yeah...

                        bad luck that 100% of some of the people I know who didn't deserve die and who I remember well succumbed to forces that they fought...

                        ....and sometimes temporarily beat....

                        but they passed all the same.

                        Always too soon.

                        At this time of year it is good to remember them with the love and "karma" they brought to this world.

                        Each one shone with a force I would be proud to possess.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by Oziboomer View Post

                          Yeah...

                          bad luck that 100% of some of the people I know who didn't deserve die and who I remember well succumbed to forces that they fought...

                          ....and sometimes temporarily beat....

                          but they passed all the same.

                          Always too soon.

                          At this time of year it is good to remember them with the love and "karma" they brought to this world.

                          Each one shone with a force I would be proud to possess.
                          I was making fun of the OP's moronic post. If you got anything offensive out of that, I'm truly sorry.
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                • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
                  "Our genetics, or DNA has been proven to be modified by our thoughtforms, within our lifetimes."

                  It would be difficult to modify them after we are dead. See, got you there!
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by butters View Post

              No it doesn't... I'm trying to stay away
              Lee;

              Are you serious? Are you actually arguing something Shane said? Are you mad?

              Do you actually think there is a chance that you'll see him say, "Sorry, I was wrong"?

              Remember, this is the man that foretold that water was on Mars, when all scientists thought it was chocolate milk.

              Beware his power.

              I suppose the next thing you'll say is that this gem isn't true either!
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              Our genetics, or DNA has been proven to be modified by our thoughtforms, within our lifetimes.

              Good luck proving that wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author alycium
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Boy is that old news. I've never heard anyone say that cancer was caused by bad luck. Not once. For as long as I can remember, it's chemicals, cigarettes, environmental pollutants, shit in our food that doesn't belong there. Crap in the water that doesn't belong there.
      Chemicals, indeed. I work around some of the worlds nastiest chemicals everyday.

      With some chemicals we have to suit up and have supplied air before we can even deal with them.

      Many of the bugs around our plant (and some birds) you see, they lay dead around our work area.

      We mainly deal with Insecticides, Pesticides and Herbicides.
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      • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
        Originally Posted by alycium View Post

        Chemicals, indeed. I work around some of the worlds nastiest chemicals everyday.

        With some chemicals we have to suit up and have supplied air before we can even deal with them.

        Many of the bugs around our plant (and some birds) you see, they lay dead around our work area.

        We mainly deal with Insecticides, Pesticides and Herbicides.
        Then Suprise, Suprise, I'm sure you have to make a crust but you work with all the stuff that causes a lot of our health problems.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          No it doesn't... I'm trying to stay away
          Well, according to doctors, when one family member gets a specific cancer, then they can all get it, since the genetic issue occurred sometime in the persons past family history!

          This is assuming that that family don't push their luck with smoking, etc and are all relatively healthy!

          Although if one family member gets something, that isn't present in their family tree, then doctors are quick to put it down to genetics.

          Oh, crap, ok, l will partially agree with you there!


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Lee;

          Are you serious? Are you actually arguing something Shane said? Are you mad?

          Do you actually think there is a chance that you'll see him say, "Sorry, I was wrong"?

          Remember, this is the man that foretold that water was on Mars, when all scientists thought it was Cool - Aid.

          Beware his power.

          I suppose the next thing you'll say is that this gem isn't true either!



          Good luck proving that wrong.
          There corrected that!

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          Of course Doctors will knock this, since there is no , "we can't sell our s***"!


          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Professor Mi Hung Lo has a doctorate in Oncology. Google it.

          You'll find that Shane is right.

          92% of cancers are not caused by bad luck. Bad luck, as a separate force, is weaker in this universe. In the Casino Universe, Good Luck bleeds into our reality. we call it Karma, after the Elephant God, Carmilla.


          48% of cancers are caused by past lives trauma, usually involving a divining rod, or an Ouija Board. The radiation from these past lives moves in retro-time, riding on Neutrinos. And we feel it in our time line as sickness. Unfortunately, for Neutrino carried, past lives trauma induced cancers, there is only one cure......and it involves NASA....

          And there is NO WAY I'm relying on NASA for my cures. Plus a little Ginger, but I don't know how much.

          The other 7% of cancers are caused by the psychic trauma of laterally experienced simultaneous Deja Vu. If you experience Deja Vu, at the same time you see the actual event...it activates the pituitary gland, causing the psychic backwash, to lodge in the hypocampus. And that's where brain cancer comes from. Google it. It's what killed Nokola Tessler, the Father of electrically induced intuitive good luck powers.

          And experiencing Deja Vu at the same time, as the event, is indistinguishable from real time events happening in real time. I just wish NASA would tell us that they already know these things. Jerks. Social Paths!


          You're welcome, Shane...You're welcome.


          PS, Did you guys feel that? Just now? It's the universe...it just started expanding again. I'll keep you posted.

          Claude stop pouring 100% proof Whiskey into the egg-nog!

          And leave Santa's cookies alone, you know he hates that!


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    Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

    But apparently sun exposure damage is cumulative,.....yeah, right?
    Just like the cumulative effects of pollutants, pesticides, heavy metals and other toxins.

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    You ever stare at the sun for about an hour? It's no big deal.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You ever stare at the sun for about an hour? It's no big deal.
      I have tried that, but after a few minutes my brain begins to fry under my tinfoil hat.

      Cheers. - Frank
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        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I have tried that, but after a few minutes my brain begins to fry under my tinfoil hat.

        Cheers. - Frank
        Next time try leaving the hat in the van.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          Kind of hard since you seem to have consumed the world's supply. :-)

          Cheers. - Frank
          So much for Ho Ho? We all know that you have a years supply!

          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          So you say. You must stop reading scientific reports from the Grace L. Ferguson Airline and Storm Door Company. (Pardon the arcane reference which I doubt anyone will know without the help of Google).

          Cheers. - Frank
          Getting cancer could be compared to getting into a car accident. Our results would be equivalent to showing a high correlation between length of trip and getting into an accident. Regardless of the destination, the longer the trip is, the higher the risk of an accident.

          The road conditions on the way to the destination could be likened to the environmental factors in cancer. Worse conditions would be associated with a higher the risk of an accident.

          The mechanical condition of the car is a metaphor for the inherited genetic factors. The numbers of mechanical problems in the car--bad brakes, worn tires, etc.--increase the risk of an accident. Think of these mechanical problems as inherited genetic mutations. With each mechanical defect, the risk of an accident increases. Similarly, the amount of inherited genetic mutations is among the factors that contribute to cancer risk
          http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/...er_study_shows

          especially when news stories reported that two-thirds of cancer cases are due to unlucky, intrinsic biology rather than, say, smoking, sunlight, and unhealthy diets.
          Most cancers due to 'bad luck'? Not so fast, says study - STAT


          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          You being the only person I know who has "heard" cancer referred to as good or bad luck, has no bearing on the millions who were never under the illusion that cancer is a matter of luck.
          Well, me and most of Australia!

          But they also mention lifestyle, etc, but also mention bad luck!

          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          I've heard it countless times as well. By countless I mean impossible to count, and by impossible to count I mean it's never happened.
          Most Cancers Caused by Bad Luck - The Daily Beast

          Researchers at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine have found that the majority of cancers occur as the result of plain bad luck, and not because of an unhealthy lifestyle or for genetic reasons.
          2020 Science Bad luck and cancer - did the media get it wrong? - 2020 Science

          The half dozen media listings, that apparently didn't say that bad luck causes cancer, are further down the page!

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            So much for Ho Ho? We all know that you have a years supply!
            Did you actually read the articles you cited? While they used the term bad luck in the titles, the articles did not mean bad luck as in the roll of the dice. If you read the articles, they attribute cancer to environmental, genetic, lifestyle, etc. factors. And while you could say it was bad luck to be exposed to carcinogens or to have a genetic predisposition or for mutations to go haywire, etc., simply bad luck is not the cause of cancer and you will not find anywhere that means that heads you get cancer, tails you don't.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Boy is that old news. I've never heard anyone say that cancer was caused by bad luck. Not once. For as long as I can remember, it's chemicals, cigarettes, environmental pollutants, shit in our food that doesn't belong there. Crap in the water that doesn't belong there.
      I have heard it countless times, roll of the dice is the usual media reference!

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      ...and genetics.
      Well, the report said that genetics was within the 10%!

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Absolutely. Forgot about a predisposition to certain cancers than run in families.
      Or fear!


      Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

      Just like the cumulative effects of pollutants, pesticides, heavy metals and other toxins.

      Cheers. - Frank
      No, not just like, if that were true then, high UV, jobs would show an obvious difference to an office worker!

      It doesn't!

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You ever stare at the sun for about an hour? It's no big deal.
      Stare at the sun for 5 minutes, and you would never stare at anything again?



      Don't worry l will keep my "told you so, speech" to myself, especially considering someone else here put me on to sun exposure being healthy!
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I have tried that, but after a few minutes my brain begins to fry under my tinfoil hat.

        Cheers. - Frank
        Best to drink some Cool Aid?


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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          Best to drink some Cool Aid?
          Kind of hard since you seem to have consumed the world's supply. :-)

          Cheers. - Frank
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        Don't worry l will keep my "told you so, speech" to myself, especially considering someone else here put me on to sun exposure being healthy!
        Of course sun exposure is 'healthy.' It's repeated bouts of over-exposure that can cause skin cancer. This is not a debatable issue. It's scientific fact.

        Everything in moderation - except beer!

        Cheers. - Frank
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        No, not just like, if that were true then, high UV, jobs would show an obvious difference to an office worker! It doesn't!
        So you say. You must stop reading scientific reports from the Grace L. Ferguson Airline and Storm Door Company. (Pardon the arcane reference which I doubt anyone will know without the help of Google).

        Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I have heard it countless times, roll of the dice is the usual media reference!
        You being the only person I know who has "heard" cancer referred to as good or bad luck, has no bearing on the millions who were never under the illusion that cancer is a matter of luck.
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        I have heard it countless times
        I've heard it countless times as well. By countless I mean impossible to count, and by impossible to count I mean it's never happened.
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          Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

          I've heard it countless times as well. By countless I mean impossible to count, and by impossible to count I mean it's never happened.
          You mean it's never happened in this dimension.



          (Something about the way you said it, just made my day)
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    C'mon 7 or 11!


    Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!


    Damn...I got cancer instead.
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    So, has anyone caught cancer from participating in this thread yet?
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      So, has anyone caught cancer from participating in this thread yet?
      It's a 50/50 chance. I just flipped a coin. Will let you know.
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        It's a 50/50 chance. I just flipped a coin. Will let you know.
        At last you didn't roll the dice. Did you know, that if you roll the dice, you have a 50% chance to hit a five and a two? It's true.




        Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        No, but I did get a pretty bad case of the plops.
        So...you're going to blame that on this thread? You've had the plops every day this year.



        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        "Sorry. I thought it was the universe. It was just my Stomach."

        Fixed
        I was wondering who would say that.

        To be fair, my stomach is where I keep my ego. It's the only place it fits.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          At last you didn't roll the dice. Did you know, that if you roll the dice, you have a 50% chance to hit a five and a two? It's true.
          ... and the other 50 is certain death. I know. I know.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          At last you didn't roll the dice. Did you know, that if you roll the dice, you have a 50% chance to hit a five and a two? It's true.
          Assuming by "dice" you mean two, you actually have a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5 and a two. You many know "odd" but you sure don't know "odds".
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

            Assuming by "dice" you mean two, you actually have a 1/6 chance of rolling a 5 and a two. You many know "odd" but you sure don't know "odds".
            I was saying something nonsensical, to go with the premise of this thread.

            The fact that you didn't see that, means that you don't know schlong.



            OK, OK, everyone...back away, nothing to see here. This is just birthing pains of the new "American language". It doesn't mean anything.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I was saying something nonsensical, to go with the premise of this thread.

              The fact that you didn't see that, means that you don't know schlong.



              OK, OK, everyone...back away, nothing to see here. This is just birthing pains of the new "American language". It doesn't mean anything.
              This post is what's known as irony...Poor poor Claude fell into a trap.


              Claude, you should understand that my post was also "nonsensical" because the odds of rolling a 5 and a 2 aren't 1/6 as I posted "nonsensically". I made that up to see if anyone actually knew the real odds. You obviously don't. LOL


              I'll explain it to you. There are 2 die, each with 6 sides, for a total of 36 possibilities.
              6 x 6 = 36


              Of the 36 possibilities, only two will give us a 5 and a 2:
              5 and 2
              2 and 5


              Therefore, 2/36 = 1/18. There is a 1 in 18 chance of rolling a 5 and a 2, not 1 out of 6 as I posted in my first thread.


              For some reason the phrase "hook, line and sinker" comes to mind...
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                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                This post is what's known as irony...Poor poor Claude fell into a trap.


                Claude, you should understand that my post was also "nonsensical" because the odds of rolling a 5 and a 2 aren't 1/6 as I posted "nonsensically". I made that up to see if anyone actually knew the real odds. You obviously don't. LOL


                I'll explain it to you. There are 2 die, each with 6 sides, for a total of 36 possibilities.
                6 x 6 = 36


                Of the 36 possibilities, only two will give us a 5 and a 2:
                5 and 2
                2 and 5


                Therefore, 2/36 = 1/18. There is a 1 in 18 chance of rolling a 5 and a 2, not 1 out of 6 as I posted in my first thread.


                For some reason the phrase "hook, line and sinker" comes to mind...
                You Moron;

                I knew that your odds were wrong, so I "took the bait", knowing that you would then compulsively explain the real odds......

                But I knew the real odds. Not by doing math, but by using my intuition. And the real odds became clear to me, nano seconds before I read your post.

                Neutrino induced retro-active knowledge injection, by intuition. I can bend a bullet's trajectory with my mind.

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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      So, has anyone caught cancer from participating in this thread yet?
      No, but I did get a pretty bad case of the plops.
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      • Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

        No, but I did get a pretty bad case of the plops.
        Were all the good ones taken?
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          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

          Were all the good ones taken?
          The force with you grows stronger Princess
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      So, has anyone caught cancer from participating in this thread yet?
      My need for alcohol went up 500% so silver lining and all that jazz.
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    Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      Very sorry to hear that, Suzanne. My thoughts are with you and your family.

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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      I too am saddened to hear your news. My family's thoughts will be with you and your brother.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      Very sorry to hear that Suzanne.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      I hope everything works out for the best for you, your brother and your family.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      My thoughts are with you.

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    • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      I am truly sorry to hear your news, Suzanne. My thoughts go out to you and your family, and I hope the days ahead are kind to you all.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      So sorry to hear this Sbu.

      I found a page of stats about the condition which you may like to look over.

      http://bladdercancersupport.org/blad...cts/statistics
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      That is not good to hear. My thoughts are with you and your family.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      I and my family will include your brother in our prayers. I lost quite a number of loved ones to cancer. I can definitely relate to what you must be going through and send you and yours only my best wishes.
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
        Sorry to hear that Suzanne, not what you want to hear at this time of year?


        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        You Moron;

        I knew that your odds were wrong, so I "took the bait", knowing that you would then compulsively explain the real odds......

        But I knew the real odds. Not by doing math, but by using my intuition. And the real odds became clear to me, nano seconds before I read your post.

        Neutrino induced retro-active knowledge injection, by intuition. I can bend a bullet's trajectory with my mind.

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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, my brother just lost the roll of the dice. He came home last night from the ER with the news that he has bladder cancer. Our world here has changed overnight.
      Sorry Suzanne. That really blows - especially this time of year.

      Reminds me of when I got the news years back that my dad had multiple myeloma. I went on a google frenzy for about 4 hours, and then just sat and stared at the wall when I was done learning about it knowing there was nothing I could do but sit and wait to see how things were going to play out.

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    Thank you all. I'm just stunned right now and in emotional pain. He's at an oncologist right now so there could be better news or worst news before the day is over.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Thank you all. I'm just stunned right now and in emotional pain. He's at an oncologist right now so there could be better news or worst news before the day is over.
      Hi Suzanne. This is very sad news. I hope that there is more hopeful news before the day is over.

      If you need anything . . . . . . . just ask.

      Sincerely. - Frank
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    Thank you all again for the kind thoughts. It's been a tough day to get through. My brother's onocological visit was long today and all of the pain he has been experiencing is due to cancer in his tailbone. There is a mass on his kidney as well, but there is infection there also, so they are clearing the infection with antibiotics and treating the pain.

    He will undergo radiation after Christmas for the cancer in his tailbone and further treatment plan is being coordinated as the test results come through and the experts coordinate and consult with each other.

    And no one has asked him for a penny. My brother has no means of support and they know that. We are fortunate to live near Charlottesville, home of the UVA Hospital system, by far one of the top hospitals in the country. It attracts some of the brightest and best doctors. Many of them are foreign born and have not developed the capitalistic approach to medicine. One nurse was crying when a test result came through and knew he would have to be told.

    As well as a comprehensive treatment plan, they have given him papers to fill out for financial aid to get through this.

    One doctor asked him why he waited so long to come in. He told him that it was humiliating to ask for medical care that isn't covered by insurance with no means to pay anyone for their hard work and time. The doctors told him that they didn't want him to focus on the financial aspects of treatment.

    This is "lifestyle" related illness. He's been a ticking time bomb most of his life due to indiscretions in his teens. He has Hep C due to dirty needles when he was 17. He kicked heroin but has never gone a day without smoking a lot of pot as well as cigarettes. If someone handed some recreational drugs, he would take them without even questioning what they were, but that opportunity didn't arise often during his adult years.

    So, that's the day's recap. It looks a bit more hopeful than it did earlier. Not what I wanted for Christmas. I'd rather have an iPod, but my goal is to get through tomorrow and Christmas at my daughter's house with grandchildren then return to caring for my brother and my father ... who is also a real piece of work. I feel somewhat depressed and may have to address that at some point.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Thank you all again for the kind thoughts. It's been a tough day to get through. My brother's onocological visit was long today and all of the pain he has been experiencing is due to cancer in his tailbone. There is a mass on his kidney as well, but there is infection there also, so they are clearing the infection with antibiotics and treating the pain.

      He will undergo radiation after Christmas for the cancer in his tailbone and further treatment plan is being coordinated as the test results come through and the experts coordinate and consult with each other.

      And no one has asked him for a penny. My brother has no means of support and they know that. We are fortunate to live near Charlottesville, home of the UVA Hospital system, by far one of the top hospitals in the country. It attracts some of the brightest and best doctors. Many of them are foreign born and have not developed the capitalistic approach to medicine. One nurse was crying when a test result came through and knew he would have to be told.

      As well as a comprehensive treatment plan, they have given him papers to fill out for financial aid to get through this.

      One doctor asked him why he waited so long to come in. He told him that it was humiliating to ask for medical care that isn't covered by insurance with no means to pay anyone for their hard work and time. The doctors told him that they didn't want him to focus on the financial aspects of treatment.

      This is "lifestyle" related illness. He's been a ticking time bomb most of his life due to indiscretions in his teens. He has Hep C due to dirty needles when he was 17. He kicked heroin but has never gone a day without smoking a lot of pot as well as cigarettes. If someone handed some recreational drugs, he would take them without even questioning what they were, but that opportunity didn't arise often during his adult years.

      So, that's the day's recap. It looks a bit more hopeful than it did earlier. Not what I wanted for Christmas. I'd rather have an iPod, but my goal is to get through tomorrow and Christmas at my daughter's house with grandchildren then return to caring for my brother and my father ... who is also a real piece of work. I feel somewhat depressed and may have to address that at some point.
      Yes, when my Mother went to the specialist and got confirmation of Breast Cancer, it was a shock!

      But once the treatment is laid out and positive results occur then things become rosier!

      Things might look bleak now, but it will most likely get better over time.

      You just have to keep telling yourself, that, and try to enjoy Xmas day!



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