Nope, you did NOT earn this commission (scam)

by TheGMa
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I am the proud recipient of a Nigerian-style scam email telling me I made $200,000+ in commissions. This is a twist on the Invoice Scam in which one is told they are due a fabulous amount in payment for services performed. The subject line usually states that this is the 2nd or final* attempt to make the payment.

Since the target never performed the services but is intrigued or ingreed or desperate**, the target replies, at which time he or she discovers that a fee of some kind is required to obtain the money. And the chase is on. In the Lottery Scam version, targets have been known to go bankrupt from sending never ending fees and charges.

* "Final" is a major marketing tool called the scarcity tactic. If you don't click now, the offer will be lost forever.
**Only a specific category of scams target greed. The vast majority of scams target fear, desperation, and innocence.

The link leads to a very, very bad info-gathering web site that will most likely completely invade a computer with a rootkit. I searched Deep Net Trader System and whooeee. All the results have to do with selling drugs and black market sites. What's called "The Dark Web".

Here is the email (the tracking was too well disguised to trace back to origin)
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FINAL attempt to send commissions [my email addy]

Hello,

We contacted you earlier about this: View your full account details here

Your username: [my email address]
Your passcode: xxxxxxxx
Total Amount Wired: $211,978.28

Click Here To Access Your Deep Net Trader system << that's the link

Please let us know if you need any help.

Regards.
Rob Day
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- Annie
#commission #earn #nope #scam
  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    Look, if you don't want the commissions, I'll take them.

    Smh, some people's ungratefulness these days. ;P
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      Look, if you don't want the commissions, I'll take them.

      Smh, some people's ungratefulness these days. ;P
      Oh dear. I'm not worthy... I'm not worthy...I'm not worthy...
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  • Profile picture of the author YourBizAid
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    I think you earned the commission. Didn't they leave their phone number in the email?
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    • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
      Recently I've been looking into the Online Romance Scams, mostly women seem to be the main target.
      I so want to write an e-book about this warning potential women who may become victims, not to fall for these scam.
      However I don't know how useful such an e-book would be.

      Best Regards,
      Shana Jahsinta Walters.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        Originally Posted by Shana Walters View Post

        Recently I've been looking into the Online Romance Scams, mostly women seem to be the main target.
        I so want to write an e-book about this warning potential women who may become victims, not to fall for these scam.
        However I don't know how useful such an e-book would be.

        Best Regards,
        Shana Jahsinta Walters.
        The only thing this would be useful for is putting me out of business. I must ask - what have I ever done to you???

        Cheers. - Frank
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        • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
          Ridiculous.

          For a thread to even have been started about this simply beggars belief.

          Thousands of these type of scams have been doing the rounds for god knows how many years. If you feel you've been gullible about the latest one to hit the net then all I can say is you're not only extremely naive, but - more importantly - totally unsuited to IM, and shouldn't even be posting on a forum or this sort if you're that stupid.

          Get real. If you fall for these sort of blatant and obvious scams then when Claude (the sweeper maestro) sends you a marketing email, you'll be on the first greyhound to Wooster, and subsequently buy out the total stock of his store - making a genial geriatric very happy.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
            Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

            Ridiculous.

            For a thread to even have been started about this simply beggars belief.

            Thousands of these type of scams have been doing the rounds for god knows how many years. If you feel you've been gullible about the latest one to hit the net then all I can say is you're not only extremely naive, but - more importantly - totally unsuited to IM, and shouldn't even be posting on a forum or this sort if you're that stupid.

            Get real. If you fall for these sort of blatant and obvious scams then when Claude (the sweeper maestro) sends you a marketing email, you'll be on the first greyhound to Wooster, and subsequently buy out the total stock of his store - making a genial geriatric very happy.
            That's pretty harsh, Pos. Annie was pretty clear in stating that she's quite aware it's a scam.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

            Ridiculous.

            For a thread to even have been started about this simply beggars belief.

            Thousands of these type of scams have been doing the rounds for god knows how many years. If you feel you've been gullible about the latest one to hit the net then all I can say is you're not only extremely naive, but - more importantly - totally unsuited to IM, and shouldn't even be posting on a forum or this sort if you're that stupid.

            Get real. If you fall for these sort of blatant and obvious scams then when Claude (the sweeper maestro) sends you a marketing email, you'll be on the first greyhound to Wooster, and subsequently buy out the total stock of his store - making a genial geriatric very happy.
            Wait! A brilliant idea just hit me...out of Nowhere!
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            • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Wait! A brilliant idea just hit me...out of Nowhere!
              I think it's funny how these Eastern European and Nigerians still can't afford a decent writer. The English is always flawed.

              Ello, Dis Am Paypal, your account as bin limite, please click ere.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
                Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

                I think it's funny how these Eastern European and Nigerians still can't afford a decent writer. The English is always flawed.

                Ello, Dis Am Paypal, your account as bin limite, please click ere.
                No kidding, but guess what? IT'S ACTUALLY A MARKETING TOOL! No, really.

                Not in the bank and Paypal phishing, but in bogus blog comments and email scams. For some incomprehensible reason, peeps are more likely to click on the poor English than on the proper English.

                There's a lot of scam psychology in their marketing. Fact is, scammers are the world's best marketers, yucky sob's.

                Gah, gotta spray my screen with Lysol.

                - Annie
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                • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
                  Originally Posted by TheGMa View Post

                  For some incomprehensible reason, peeps are more likely to click on the poor English than on the proper English.
                  Probably a matter of getting past the spam filters.
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                  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                    Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

                    Probably a matter of getting past the spam filters.
                    Must learn to program in scamese.
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                    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
                      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                      Must learn to program in scamese.
                      The International Obfuscated C Code Contest
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                      • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
                        I haven't had this much fun in a thread in a long time! Y'all are hysterical.
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                        Unfortunately, the lousy English isn't so they pass through email filters. Poor English is not a filter, the offer is.

                        See, the English-speaking countries like to consider themselves superior. Ergo, when an irresistible financial offer comes from someone whose English is inferior, the game begins because the target thinks he's smarter than whoever wrote the email. As the scam progresses, the scammer becomes God and the scammee becomes the terrified, whimpering beggar.

                        Umm, you do understand that this only works if you're giving away ridiculous sums of money, don't you? See, first the larger than life, gotta'-have carrot then you get them to pony up for fees and charges and ... and.... oh my. Oh dear. That does sound familiar.

                        Luv ya all - off to type up some irresistible, larger than life offer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
          Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

          The only thing this would be useful for is putting me out of business. I must ask - what have I ever done to you???

          Cheers. - Frank
          My deepest apologies to you on this beautiful Christmas day BigFrank.
          It's not my intention to put you out of business.

          Best Regards,
          Shana Jahsinta Walters.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by Shana Walters View Post

        Recently I've been looking into the Online Romance Scams, mostly women seem to be the main target.
        I so want to write an e-book about this warning potential women who may become victims, not to fall for these scam.
        However I don't know how useful such an e-book would be.
        Many long articles have been written about this, such as from the AARP. Unfortunately, I doubt they are very effective in prevention, either, since the victims are often quite emphatic that they are the exception, that this is True Love.

        i.e., Fore-knowledge does not have much impact on prevention.
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        • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Many long articles have been written about this, such as from the AARP. Unfortunately, I doubt they are very effective in prevention, either, since the victims are often quite emphatic that they are the exception, that this is True Love.

          i.e., Fore-knowledge does not have much impact on prevention.
          I know I have seen so many of these articles as well.
          Which is why I haven't make a move on this idea.

          Best Regards,
          Shana Jahsinta Walters.
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        • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Many long articles have been written about this, such as from the AARP. Unfortunately, I doubt they are very effective in prevention, either, since the victims are often quite emphatic that they are the exception, that this is True Love.

          i.e., Fore-knowledge does not have much impact on prevention.
          Yep. "True Love" or whatever the lure is. People are going to do what they believe
          will work for them.

          I had a housekeeper, whose Dad is a cop, fall for modeling scams for her daughter.
          This was after a lot of warnings from her Dad and myself. She still went ahead
          and got herself on the hook for over two hundred per month in contracts. One of
          these is nationwide and does offer "modeling" classes, so they continue to operate.
          The other, I would not want them to have my banking and credit card information.

          Even sadder is that this housekeeper (ex-housekeeper) thought she would get rich
          off her cute 7 year old. The kid has no interest in acting, modeling, pageants...
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          • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
            These replies are a riot!!! Thank you, all of you.

            @ David Beroff - Thank you. There's always an idjit in the crowd who can't read. I was a Fraud Victim Advocate for 15 years. This is one of the truisms I wrote in an oft used White Paper for prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys: The easiest person in the world to scam is the one who thinks he can't be scammed.

            - Annie
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            • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
              @ Shana - Yes, you could write an eBook about romance scams. If you Google 'romance scams' you will see a ton of results, meaning there is a great interest in the topic; there must be a 1,000 new victims a day, meaning the topic is evergreen. PERFECT. Look for books on Amazon - well I'll be; there aren't that many from the viewpoint you propose. GREAT!

              Here is the blueprint for the book:

              1. Join a scambaiter forum like 419 Eater.
              2. Learn how to scam scammers
              3. Join a romance scam forum; Google 'romance scam forums' and choose one or two that suit you.
              4. Learn about all the different romance scam types and nuances of said scams
              5. Bait some romance scammers so you can experience the scammer's processes first hand.
              6. Write your eBook


              - Annie
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by YourBizAid View Post

      I think you earned the commission. Didn't they leave their phone number in the email?
      No, dammit. And I so love talking with some creep in Togo or Amsterdam.

      Annie
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  • Profile picture of the author mrvendi60
    Why are you wasting your time? Today there are many kinds of Cheater. A few days ago I lost $150. Now I think I was very fool during that time. My I am sure my brain was not working properly during the time. Very sad. After sending money there will no option to refund the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    If this stuff was true, I'd be worth at least $550,000,000 and have more wives and/or
    flings than I could count.
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  • Profile picture of the author swissrun
    What's the difference between Nigerian Crooks and Amazon? Not much! I've worked my ass of as an Amazon Affiliate, generated in two month more than USD 15.000 in commissions and than, just after the christmas rush was over, they suddenly (without any warning) canceled my partner account, told me that I had preached one of their rules and refused me the commission payout. After 5 years as an affiliate, generating more than 2 Million Dollars in sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by swissrun View Post

      What's the difference between Nigerian Crooks and Amazon?
      One owns a rocket, the other one doesn't?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        One owns a rocket, the other one doesn't?
        LOLOL!!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by swissrun View Post

      What's the difference between Nigerian Crooks and Amazon? Not much! I've worked my ass of as an Amazon Affiliate, generated in two month more than USD 15.000 in commissions and than, just after the christmas rush was over, they suddenly (without any warning) canceled my partner account, told me that I had preached one of their rules and refused me the commission payout. After 5 years as an affiliate, generating more than 2 Million Dollars in sales.
      That's not a scam, but I am so very sorry this happened to you. Breach of contract is a serious matter, but under the circumstances I am certain you can negotiate a return to status. The kick-out is automated and if you are that good a customer, a review is definitely in order.

      - Annie
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Really the Nigerian scam boils down to targets that don't have any common sense. They blast out a few million emails & sit back & wait for something to stick. Once the suckers step forward by responding, it's on like Donkey Kong.

    This reminds me of how law enforcement sometimes cons criminals into taking the bait for unclaimed money. All they have to do is show up at a specified address to claim the money (AKA get arrested).
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Really the Nigerian scam boils down to targets that don't have any common sense. They blast out a few million emails & sit back & wait for something to stick. Once the suckers step forward by responding, it's on like Donkey Kong.

      This reminds me of how law enforcement sometimes cons criminals into taking the bait for unclaimed money. All they have to do is show up at a specified address to claim the money (AKA get arrested).
      Um, well Yukon, it doesn't quite work that way. There are over 100 scams run by Nigerian fraudsters, many of which are very sophisticated, running into $100's of thousands of dollars per person per scam, some even into millions.

      I was once interviewed on the BBC. The young woman who was doing the interview was very scornful of scam victims, calling them names. I turned things around and got her all hot and bothered over a deal - now this is live radio, mind you - then told her she had just been scammed. Took me less than 5 minutes. I'm pretty sure I made an enemy for life 'cause I could hear people in her studio laughing.

      - Annie
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by TheGMa View Post

        Um, well Yukon, it doesn't quite work that way. There are over 100 scams run by Nigerian fraudsters, many of which are very sophisticated, running into $100's of thousands of dollars per person per scam, some even into millions.

        I was once interviewed on the BBC. The young woman who was doing the interview was very scornful of scam victims, calling them names. I turned things around and got her all hot and bothered over a deal - now this is live radio, mind you - then told her she had just been scammed. Took me less than 5 minutes. I'm pretty sure I made an enemy for life 'cause I could hear people in her studio laughing.

        - Annie
        Right, no common sense equals easy target.

        If I tell you you've won the lottery but you've never bought a lottery ticket in your entire life, would you quit your job or laugh it off as nonsense? Anyone with common sense would instantly know it's nonsense because in order to win the lottery you have to own a lottery ticket. Just an example but it applies to everything else. The average person isn't a direct descendant of a rich Nigerian prince. That takes about half a second to process for someone with common sense. Now throw in a random unsolicited email from someone that you've never known, that would be called spam. Again, common sense takes about half a second to filter out the nonsense/spam & hit the delete button on the email inbox.

        I don't pity people who get scammed by this type of dated scam. If they're smart enough to figure out how to setup an email account it's their own fault for being a desperate fool believing a stranger wants them to be rich without much effort.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          If they're smart enough to figure out how to setup an email account it's their own fault for being a desperate fool believing a stranger wants them to be rich without much effort.
          Yes and no. Trust me, I do understand your perspective, and many times, it's quite true that a fool and their money are easily parted.

          But also consider that some of these scams are far more sophisticated than the stereotypical "Nigerian prince" type of spam of which you are thinking. As they get more complex, it becomes harder to draw a simple line for stupidity and greed. As Annie pointed out above, even those that "shouldn't" get caught, do.

          Here's the AARP article on the Romance scam. Rather than pounce on the victims, take a moment to step back from the problem and see how the perpetrators can spend much effort on constructing a scenario, (it needn't be this particular scam), which can ensnare people who you might otherwise think are immune from allowing emotions to overcome their finances.

          Online Dating Scams, Fraud, and Cyber Crime - AARP
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

            Yes and no. Trust me, I do understand your perspective, and many times, it's quite true that a fool and their money are easily parted.

            But also consider that some of these scams are far more sophisticated than the stereotypical "Nigerian prince" type of spam of which you are thinking. As they get more complex, it becomes harder to draw a simple line for stupidity and greed. As Annie pointed out above, even those that "shouldn't" get caught, do.

            Here's the AARP article on the Romance scam. Rather than pounce on the victims, take a moment to step back from the problem and see how the perpetrators can spend much effort on constructing a scenario, (it needn't be this particular scam), which can ensnare people who you might otherwise think are immune from allowing emotions to overcome their finances.

            Online Dating Scams, Fraud, and Cyber Crime - AARP

            You've mentioned romance + scam. I don't even have to click the link to know the story involves desperate people (I want to believe). The domain is also AARP which means it's focused on older people who have a tendency to be easy targets.

            Romance itself usually drowns out common sense with emotions.

            This all follows the same setup as the Nigerian scam (desperation). Desperation & common sense don't usually happen at the same time.

            It's all a game, the way to win the game is to not participate.






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      • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
        Originally Posted by TheGMa View Post

        I was once interviewed on the BBC. The young woman who was doing the interview was very scornful of scam victims, calling them names. I turned things around and got her all hot and bothered over a deal - now this is live radio, mind you - then told her she had just been scammed. Took me less than 5 minutes. I'm pretty sure I made an enemy for life 'cause I could hear people in her studio laughing.
        - Annie
        Where can I watch this interview?

        Best Regards,
        Shana Jahsinta Walters.
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  • Profile picture of the author HCFGrizzly
    Originally Posted by TheGMa View Post

    I am the proud recipient of a Nigerian-style scam email telling me I made $200,000+ in commissions. This is a twist on the Invoice Scam in which one is told they are due a fabulous amount in payment for services performed. The subject line usually states that this is the 2nd or final* attempt to make the payment.

    Since the target never performed the services but is intrigued or ingreed or desperate**, the target replies, at which time he or she discovers that a fee of some kind is required to obtain the money. And the chase is on. In the Lottery Scam version, targets have been known to go bankrupt from sending never ending fees and charges.

    * "Final" is a major marketing tool called the scarcity tactic. If you don't click now, the offer will be lost forever.
    **Only a specific category of scams target greed. The vast majority of scams target fear, desperation, and innocence.

    The link leads to a very, very bad info-gathering web site that will most likely completely invade a computer with a rootkit. I searched Deep Net Trader System and whooeee. All the results have to do with selling drugs and black market sites. What's called "The Dark Web".

    Here is the email (the tracking was too well disguised to trace back to origin)
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    FINAL attempt to send commissions [my email addy]

    Hello,

    We contacted you earlier about this: View your full account details here

    Your username: [my email address]
    Your passcode: xxxxxxxx
    Total Amount Wired: $211,978.28

    Click Here To Access Your Deep Net Trader system << that's the link

    Please let us know if you need any help.

    Regards.
    Rob Day
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    - Annie
    What do you mean scam? I got my money from the Nigerian Prince two years ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
      Originally Posted by HCFGrizzly View Post

      What do you mean scam? I got my money from the Nigerian Prince two years ago.
      Hallow, Mr. Grizzly,

      You may be surprised to hear from me in this fasion, but I assure you that it is compltly legal and offcal. I represent the High Esteemed Prince's first born son, Mwabdali II. It seems that when we paid you in 2013, we forgot to subtract a Very Important procesing fee, so as to assure the uninterrupted sucession of the Royalty. Now that Mwabdali II has come of age, it is critical that we enact this fee retroactively, and so....
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      • Profile picture of the author TheGMa
        Oh God! I'm dying here! Can't stop giggling.

        @Shana - That was a radio interview by telephone from the UK back before there were a gazillion million web sites about fraud.

        @ Yukon - go here and hold on to your hat: A Partial List of Scams

        I'm sure there are more scams and subscams since I put that together a few years ago. The entire center section is nothing but Nigerian scams.

        I'd write about each scam's methodology, but it would be a tome and would have to be a labor of love.
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