Again Tonight! Sunday, Jan. 10th at 10PM. (Woops) Wahoo! Sherlock: The Abominable Bride

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    For Australian Sherlock fans like me, the special is being fast-tracked to the streaming service Stan from about mid afternoon Sydney and Melbourne time, and about mid-day Perth time on January 2, which is only a couple of hours after it's shown in the US (I'm not quite sure what time zone "9pm" refers to).

    No doubt the ABC here will air it sometime in the near future as well (no details available as yet)..

    I'll be watching it on Stan and am looking forward to it. A great way to start the New Year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Thanks Joe, for reminding us. I'll set my TV to record. It looks great. And Cumberbach will make a fantastic Doctor Strange.
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        Eastern Time Zone in the US.

        New York and Palm Beach Gardens.


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        I read an interesting article today, with a few references to our man "Cumber" . . .

        Real-life Sherlock Holmes: How to earn a living as a private detective
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          Originally Posted by positivenegative View Post

          I read an interesting article today, with a few references to our man "Cumber" . . .

          Real-life Sherlock Holmes: How to earn a living as a private detective

          I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes fan (we share the same birthday).

          I've watched the movies, and read all the books by Doyle. Honestly, I think his Inductive (not deductive) logic would be wrong most of the time. And much of his amazing power comes from esoteric knowledge that is very specific to the crime.

          It reminds me of watching a Batman movie, and he always has exactly what he needs, in his utility belt. It would be impossible to have the exact tool to fit every possible problem.

          And with Holmes, it would be impossible to always have the exact knowledge of pipe tobacco, or the makeup of mud on a shoe (as examples). Maybe once or twice, but not always.

          And his inferences from small details. They could be correct, or partly correct, or complete misses. And most often, complete misses.

          If there were actually a detective, that thought exactly like Holmes....he would almost always be wrong, by the way he uses logic. His logic would be right, but the premise would usually be wrong. In the books, his inferences are really just guesses. The author does the reasoning in reverse, so Holmes' inferences from the clues appear obvious to us. But with the information Holmes had to go on, his conclusions would most often be wrong.

          Watching "The Seven Percent Solution", when Holmes first meets Sigmund Freud....his inferences were brilliant, and were obvious (though extremely clever) conclusions from the information available. A real class in how to use observation and inductive reasoning.

          But most such displays look plausible in the excitement of the moment. But really are just acute observation, with educated guesses. In the two recent Robert Downey movies, some of the inferences were preposterously lucky guesses, given the information available to Holmes.


          The movie is tonight on PBS at 9PM EST.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
            In about 35 minutes...



            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes fan (we share the same birthday).

            I've watched the movies, and read all the books by Doyle. Honestly, I think his Inductive (not deductive) logic would be wrong most of the time. And much of his amazing power comes from esoteric knowledge that is very specific to the crime.

            It reminds me of watching a Batman movie, and he always has exactly what he needs, in his utility belt. It would be impossible to have the exact tool to fit every possible problem.

            And with Holmes, it would be impossible to always have the exact knowledge of pipe tobacco, or the makeup of mud on a shoe (as examples). Maybe once or twice, but not always.

            And his inferences from small details. They could be correct, or partly correct, or complete misses. And most often, complete misses.

            If there were actually a detective, that thought exactly like Holmes....he would almost always be wrong, by the way he uses logic. His logic would be right, but the premise would usually be wrong. In the books, his inferences are really just guesses. The author does the reasoning in reverse, so Holmes' inferences from the clues appear obvious to us. But with the information Holmes had to go on, his conclusions would most often be wrong.

            Watching "The Seven Percent Solution", when Holmes first meets Sigmund Freud....his inferences were brilliant, and were obvious (though extremely clever) conclusions from the information available. A real class in how to use observation and inductive reasoning.

            But most such displays look plausible in the excitement of the moment. But really are just acute observation, with educated guesses. In the two recent Robert Downey movies, some of the inferences were preposterously lucky guesses, given the information available to Holmes.


            The movie is tonight on PBS at 9PM EST.

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    Hmm. Seems it's being shown on Stan simultaneously with it's showing on US TV. Off to watch it right now. Back in 90 minutes or so.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Just watched it. One of the best Holmes movies I've seen. It really had me thinking...guessing...ad usually wrong.

      Inventive story telling. Did you know the guy playing Mycroft Holmes (even in the fat suit) is one of the co-creators of the series.

      I would have paid to see this in theaters.
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        That was a pretty fun ride until it took a sharp turn at SJW World.
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          Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

          That was a pretty fun ride until it took a sharp turn at SJW World.
          You don't think women should have the right to vote? I thought it was a novel plot twist.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            You don't think women should have the right to vote?
            Yeah, that must be it. Your powers of observation and deduction are astounding. Ya got me.
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    As ever the best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray. So it was as I settled down to watch the show.

    About half an hour into it I had some guests drop in unannounced. "Just in the neighourhood, thought we'd drop in and wish you a happy new year" type of thing. As these are good folk whose company I enjoy, I paused the show so as to watch it with no distractions.

    Anyway, a good time was had by all, and my guests finally left, so I started it from the beginning.

    It was very well done with enough twits and turns to keep the mind engaged. The "Inception" style twist could've been very messy, however it was handled very well and certainly jolted me out of any complacency.

    There were a couple of clues to solving the case of "The Bride" given during the show. The first was Mrs Watson saying that she was campaigning for the women's vote, and the second was Holmes' brother stating "This is a war we have to lose".

    The final line of the show set up season four very nicely as well.

    5/5 from me.

    I don't think I've spoiled the plot for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, however, for those who have no interest in ever seeing it, I'll reveal the solution to the case.

    The murderer was Colonel Mustard. In the library. With the revolver.
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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      As ever the best laid plans of mice and men oft go astray. So it was as I settled down to watch the show.

      About half an hour into it I had some guests drop in unannounced. "Just in the neighourhood, thought we'd drop in and wish you a happy new year" type of thing. As these are good folk whose company I enjoy, I paused the show so as to watch it with no distractions.

      Anyway, a good time was had by all, and my guests finally left, so I started it from the beginning.

      It was very well done with enough twits and turns to keep the mind engaged. The "Inception" style twist could've been very messy, however it was handled very well and certainly jolted me out of any complacency.

      There were a couple of clues to solving the case of "The Bride" given during the show. The first was Mrs Watson saying that she was campaigning for the women's vote, and the second was Holmes' brother stating "This is a war we have to lose".

      The final line of the show set up season four very nicely as well.

      5/5 from me.

      I don't think I've spoiled the plot for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, however, for those who have no interest in ever seeing it, I'll reveal the solution to the case.

      The murderer was Colonel Mustard. In the library. With the revolver.
      I agree about the Inception twists. Well done, and done tongue in cheek. I got a few of the clues, but not enough to solve the mystery, it came as a complete surprise.

      5/5 for me as well.

      There is a Twilight Zone marathon that is about to end. I think I recorded all original episodes, maybe 100 in all. Over the last couple of days, I popped in to watch a few. It's amazing how well they hold up. No special effects budget. Cheap sets. Some of the acting is impressive. I remember when they were first on TV. I was a little kid, and they scared me to death.
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Although at times it felt a little too clever for its own good - I could imagine the smug faces on the writers after coming up with some of those off-the-cuff yet meticulously constructed lines of dialogue - I enjoyed the show. I'll probably watch it again soon, so it passed my repeat viewing test.

        By the way, I think Engelbert Blundersnatch plays Sherlock well, but did anybody else witness his attempt at an American accent in the recent movie "Black Mass"? Beyond embarrassing.
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          Ha!

          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Blundersnatch
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          Or on Valentines Day.

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        • Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          Although at times it felt a little too clever for its own good - I could imagine the smug faces on the writers after coming up with some of those off-the-cuff yet meticulously constructed lines of dialogue - I enjoyed the show. I'll probably watch it again soon, so it passed my repeat viewing test

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          Yeah, it had a quicksy YA fiction feel, but I wanna snog Thundersnatch.

          Gonna swallow any off-the-cuff remarks cos I figure his English is impeccable, though I wanna peck him also.

          Oh f*ck Damon, you are so in trouble here.

          I feel a switch in allejance cummin' on.

          Hard, hard, hard.

          In your mind palace.

          Fightin' to keep my tiara on as your deerstalker peels from your sweaty brow to stifle my animal yowls.

          Oooh yeah I am gonna watch that show again, reprisin' me the highlights of the festive season.

          Glassa wine, sonic toothbrush.

          Oh yeah c'mon Beindict Whumpmasnatch.

          Mars is so yesterday.
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            You are aware that you can make about $3.99 a minute talking like that.


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            Yeah, it had a quicksy YA fiction feel, but I wanna snog Thundersnatch.

            Gonna swallow any off-the-cuff remarks cos I figure his English is impeccable, though I wanna peck him also.

            Oh f*ck Damon, you are so in trouble here.

            I feel a switch in allejance cummin' on.

            Hard, hard, hard.

            In your mind palace.

            Fightin' to keep my tiara on as your deerstalker peels from your sweaty brow to stifle my animal yowls.

            Oooh yeah I am gonna watch that show again, reprisin' me the highlights of the festive season.

            Glassa wine, sonic toothbrush.

            Oh yeah c'mon Beindict Whumpmasnatch.

            Mars is so yesterday.
            More if you add video...


            So I hear...


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            • Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

              You are aware that you can make about $3.99 a minute talking like that.
              It is closer to $6.99 if you got a sore throat.
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                Again tonight at 9:00 EST.


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                • Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

                  Again tonight at 9:00 EST.


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                    Actually I was thinking about you and your gussets as bumped this thread.





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