DOCTORS' GROUP VOTES TO OPPOSE VACCINE MANDATES

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Whether you are anti-vac or pro-vac -- this is a very common sense approach to health issues. Our gov has over-stepped its authority..........again.

DOCTORS' GROUP VOTES TO OPPOSE VACCINE MANDATES
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Nov. 2, 2000


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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Earth to Sal....
      lol. Got to give them credit if they're still trying 16 years later.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Earth to Sal....
      And still relevant. There are newer attempts by doctors to stop the "mandatory" vacs - but they are being very suppressed in the news. What I am wondering - is why these doctor's warnings were being dismissed. This is no small band of rebels, ya know.

      Incidentally - the recent rash of murders of natureopaths in the SE seem to correlate with info they were bringing public regarding vaccines. I'll try to get time to find that info again.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        And still relevant. There are newer attempts by doctors to stop the "mandatory" vacs - but they are being very suppressed in the news. What I am wondering - is why these doctor's warnings were being dismissed. This is no small band of rebels, ya know.

        Incidentally - the recent rash of murders of natureopaths in the SE seem to correlate with info they were bringing public regarding vaccines. I'll try to get time to find that info again.
        Well, doctors, particularly the quacko kind, don't make laws that effect public health. Why would anyone pay any more credence to them than to any other anti-vaxxer?

        Right .... rash of murders of naturopaths ... to quell information regarding vaccines. It just gets funnier and funnier. I Googled naturopath murders and got all the usual suspects in the results. Every natural news conspiracy blog out there is on it.

        lol. And the reporting is so accurate and detailed, like this

        Keep your eyes open for healthy (after all these people specialize in optimal wellness) holistic/naturopathic physicians dying of self inflicted gun shot wounds to the chest while taking amidnight dip in the local river. Yes! You heard that right. Or maybe just sitting in their car and suddenly just dying with little or no detail as to the death.
        Here's an article on the dead naturopath conspiracy

        Is Big Pharma Killing Holistic Doctors?

        and
        Five Holistic Doctors Dead
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        • Profile picture of the author HeySal
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well, doctors, particularly the quacko kind, don't make laws that effect public health. Why would anyone pay any more credence to them than to any other anti-vaxxer?

          Right .... rash of murders of naturopaths ... to quell information regarding vaccines. It just gets funnier and funnier. I Googled naturopath murders and got all the usual suspects in the results. Every natural news conspiracy blog out there is on it.

          lol. And the reporting is so accurate and detailed, like this



          Here's an article on the dead naturopath conspiracy

          Is Big Pharma Killing Holistic Doctors?

          So doctors who don't support YOUR view are quacks? Hmmmm. I didn't know you had a degree in immunology.

          The doctors who died - there were 8, 10 if you count 2 missing ..........were all involved in research on GcMAF. Go ahead and browse that research on Pubmed and tell me how much "quackery" that is.

          Ya know what? I can say the same thing to you about your belief in public disinformation as you can to me about quacks. But what's the point - go get those vacs. Get all of them. I don't give a squat. Don't even consider that maybe it's the pharmaceutical propaganda that you are trusting and not sound medical advice. Don't even consider it -- just hammer at anyone who thinks someone should go a little beyond pharmaceutical marketing when thinking they know what's best.

          This wasn't even an issue until people started thinking that it was a good idea to start forcing everyone to have vaccines. It's already been proven that a 95% concentration does NOT drive an illness into extinction, so it shouldn't matter to anyone if someone else doesn't vac. If they work - my lack of vaccines won't hurt you a tad. So by all means - don't think, just jab. Don't look at the pkges first or read the warnings, those are just paranoia, too. And don't research actual studies - because it's all nice and edited for you on sites like the CDC, so you don't even have to know what the research actually said before editing.

          BTW - I haven't ever seen your link but I appreciate you always assuming that everything I read is from a "conspiracy" site. You do realize that if officials don't want you to know something, you aren't going to find it on one of theirs? I'd be dead now if I didn't know better than to not look at the raw research........and............the doctors that were killed, despite debunking efforts, were all involved in GcMAF research, which is 2 fold - cancer and vaccines. Don't forget to look up nagalase - after all, they are now trying to build filters for it since it can cause autism.........and is in vaccines, so taking out the thimerosal didn't fix much. You can look up each of them individually. I was going to do that myself and post them - but, I guess I won't bother. Pearls/swine. It's obvious there's no discussion to be had here. Everyone already knows everything.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            So doctors who don't support YOUR view are quacks? Hmmmm. I didn't know you had a degree in immunology.

            The doctors who died - there were 8, 10 if you count 2 missing ..........were all involved in research on GcMAF. Go ahead and browse that research on Pubmed and tell me how much "quackery" that is.

            Ya know what? I can say the same thing to you about your belief in public disinformation as you can to me about quacks. But what's the point - go get those vacs. Get all of them. I don't give a squat. Don't even consider that maybe it's the pharmaceutical propaganda that you are trusting and not sound medical advice. Don't even consider it -- just hammer at anyone who thinks someone should go a little beyond pharmaceutical marketing when thinking they know what's best.

            This wasn't even an issue until people started thinking that it was a good idea to start forcing everyone to have vaccines. It's already been proven that a 95% concentration does NOT drive an illness into extinction, so it shouldn't matter to anyone if someone else doesn't vac. If they work - my lack of vaccines won't hurt you a tad. So by all means - don't think, just jab. Don't look at the pkges first or read the warnings, those are just paranoia, too. And don't research actual studies - because it's all nice and edited for you on sites like the CDC, so you don't even have to know what the research actually said before editing.

            BTW - I haven't ever seen your link but I appreciate you always assuming that everything I read is from a "conspiracy" site. You do realize that if officials don't want you to know something, you aren't going to find it on one of theirs? I'd be dead now if I didn't know better than to not look at the raw research........and............the doctors that were killed, despite debunking efforts, were all involved in GcMAF research, which is 2 fold - cancer and vaccines. Don't forget to look up nagalase - after all, they are now trying to build filters for it since it can cause autism.........and is in vaccines, so taking out the thimerosal didn't fix much. You can look up each of them individually. I was going to do that myself and post them - but, I guess I won't bother. Pearls/swine. It's obvious there's no discussion to be had here. Everyone already knows everything.
            The majority, of which I am a part of, supports vaccinations. That's all it takes. The public doesn't have to cater to the fringe elements who would put their quackery above public health. Simple as that. You don't actually have to get immunizations right now, but school districts can and do make their own rules about who can attend public schools.

            And you don't have a degree in immunology either. I did, however, raise and immunize 4 children, who all survived it and didn't get the diseases for which they were immunized. That's more experience with vaccinations than you actually have. All you have is your propaganda websites for anti-vaxxers that you so love to read.

            If they work - my lack of vaccines won't hurt you a tad.
            Won't hurt me but will and can and does hurt those who have immune diseases and diseases that compromise the immune system and can't take vacccines.

            Only one was promoting GcMAF, the first one who committed suicide. The others were not involved in GcMAF, and several of them weren't even alternative medicine doctors and several of them were victims of murder by spouse. It appears that the fringes just randomly put every doctor death in their little conspiracy theory, no matter who the doctor was, what practice he specialized in, or who was arrested for their murder, or their overall health before their demise. One was an old geezer who was known to just wander around and be confused. His car was found abandoned by some highway. Yeah, I'm so sure that the Big Pharm guys were tracking the old coot and plucked him right out of the car and disposed of him. Several of them were retired and wouldn't be a "target" by the Big Pharma "assassins." lol.

            So, 1 in 3 "seniors" will get shingles in their lifetime. Very painful, unsightly virus that stays painful for at least a month. I just increased my odds of not getting it with a vaccination. Also pneumonia and flu. I'm good... and still alive.
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          • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
            Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

            It's already been proven that a 95% concentration does NOT drive an illness into extinction, so it shouldn't matter to anyone if someone else doesn't vac.
            Sal, I am not sure what you mean by that. For most infections, you don't need a vaccine coverage of more than 95% to eliminate the virus. Immunization has both a direct and indirect effect. The susceptible host population is reduced by mass immunization so that the transmission of infection has become correspondingly less efficient and eventually, the infection will be unable to maintain itself. Below are the estimated minimum immunization rate in order to eradicate the infection.

            Measles 92-95%
            Pertussis 92-95%
            Mumps 90-92%
            Rubella 85-87%
            Diptheria 80-85%
            Polio 80-85%

            We are now close to eradicating polio worldwide but we are far from doing that with measles because the latter is much more infectious.
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            • Profile picture of the author butters
              Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

              Sal, I am not sure what you mean by that. For most infections, you don't need a vaccine coverage of more than 95% to eliminate the virus. Immunization has both a direct and indirect effect. The susceptible host population is reduced by mass immunization so that the transmission of infection has become correspondingly less efficient and eventually, the infection will be unable to maintain itself. Below are the estimated minimum immunization rate in order to eradicate the infection.

              Measles 92-95%
              Pertussis 92-95%
              Mumps 90-92%
              Rubella 85-87%
              Diptheria 80-85%
              Polio 80-85%

              We are now close to eradicating polio worldwide but we are far from doing that with measles because the latter is much more infectious.
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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I feel useless now
                Nothing like having a doctor come in an tell the truth, is there?
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                • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  Nothing like having a doctor come in an tell the truth, is there?
                  The place is going down hill, I tell you.

                  Stop the insanity!

                  Cheers. - Frank
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                • Profile picture of the author butters
                  Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                  Nothing like having a doctor come in an tell the truth, is there?
                  I know right!! Buzz kills aren't they
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                Originally Posted by butters View Post

                I feel useless now
                Really? Just, now? :-)

                Cheers. - Frank
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                  Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

                  Really? Just, now? :-)

                  Cheers. - Frank
                  That's like the nail in my science coffin!
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      • Profile picture of the author sconer
        Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

        There are newer attempts by doctors to stop the "mandatory" vacs - but they are being very suppressed in the news. What I am wondering - is why these doctor's warnings were being dismissed. This is no small band of rebels, ya know.
        I believe you know why those doctor's warnings are being dismissed- because they are in the tiny, minuscule minority and the so-called facts they come up with have already been debunked time and time again.

        You do realize that there are ALWAYS people out there that will oppose something, no matter how factual we know it to be. There are doctors who will tell you that smoking cigarettes is good for you. There are scientists who say the Earth is flat. It's just a part of life.
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by sconer View Post

          There are doctors who will tell you that smoking cigarettes is good for you. There are scientists who say the Earth is flat. It's just a part of life.
          Then we need to stop using the term, 'intelligent life.'

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author sconer
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Then we need to stop using the term, 'intelligent life.'

            Cheers. - Frank
            There is actually a HUGE fan club for the Boston Bomber. And I am not talking about Muslims in other countries, I am talking about pasty white girls in America. That's the world you live in.
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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by sconer View Post

              There is actually a HUGE fan club for the Boston Bomber. And I am not talking about Muslims in other countries, I am talking about pasty white girls in America. That's the world you live in.
              Many notorious convicts have huge female followings. It's a very sad world that we live in with many lonely, mentally-ill and deviant people.

              Cheers. - Frank
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    Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

    Whether you are anti-vac or pro-vac -- this is a very common sense approach to health issues. Our gov has over-stepped its authority..........again.

    DOCTORS' GROUP VOTES TO OPPOSE VACCINE MANDATES
    Nothing new here Sal, unfortunately!

    Media parrots doctrines, based on flimsy evidence, and the population eventually believe and defend it.

    Eventhough some will aggressively defend something they know little about.

    Hmmmm, nothing new there either?

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Oh good, another Vaccination thread. We have not had one for at least 24 hours.

      Claude is of course pro-vac
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    And in further news....


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    Someone should start a vaccine thread.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Someone should start a vaccine thread.
      I'm spending the weekend building a vaccination forum.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        I'm spending the weekend building a vaccination forum.

        Cheers. - Frank
        Can we do a joint venture? I'm thinking low end estimate here, we will have atleast a couple thousands threads a day, slap together an e book for 9.99 and we will be rich!
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Can we do a joint venture? I'm thinking low end estimate here, we will have atleast a couple thousands threads a day, slap together an e book for 9.99 and we will be rich!
          I would never debase the effort by seeking financial gain. I will be content just knowing that I am doing my bit to to keep mankind firmly rooted in the dark ages through fear-mongering, silly-science and crackpot conspiracy theories.

          Besides, everyone needs a hobby.

          Cheers. - Frank
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    Is Claude vaccinated? Does he have papers?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Maybe it's like the threads here.....one person bumps and then a dozens others jump in to 'discuss' the questions asked in 2010 by someone who hasn't logged in since 2011.

      Seems to be a proliferation online of "cause" sies and "ad sites" using old stories, twisted news, and pure fiction to get attention or get ad clicks.

      Sal's gonna be ticked when she gets here....
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      • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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        DOCTORS' GROUP VOTES TO OPPOSE VACCINE MANDATES

        'Doctors' and 'opposing vaccines' should never be used in the same sentence.

        The correct verbiage would be, 'Witch-doctors' and 'opposing vaccines.'

        Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Maybe it's like the threads here.....one person bumps and then a dozens others jump in to 'discuss' the questions asked in 2010 by someone who hasn't logged in since 2011.

        Seems to be a proliferation online of "cause" sies and "ad sites" using old stories, twisted news, and pure fiction to get attention or get ad clicks.

        Sal's gonna be ticked when she gets here....
        She posted it Jan 8, 2016 6:24 PM
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Your're right Suzanne - that didn't make sense - I knew what I meant but didn't explain it so anyone else could understand.

          Was trying to figure out what Sal was doing online to dig up an article from 2000....and found an anti-vac group posted almost identical title on their blog a couple months ago.

          If you don't want to be seen linking to a "conspiracy or 'cause' site" you might google the title - the 2000 article comes up and you go 'aha' without looking very closely.

          Sal is smart - I was trying to come with an excuse why she would post a 16 yr old article.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Is Claude vaccinated? Does he have papers?
      Yes, and he was neutered also. Unfortunately he still goes around marking his territory.
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  • Profile picture of the author RealNinja
    i can't imagine how nasty a vaccination thread would turn into on here lol
    i've seen some of my friends get really violent over this issue on FB, and lose friends over it.

    Whether you are for vaccintion or pro vaccination.. I believe there are two sides to every story.. and WISH we could talk about it in a sensible matter without fighting.. but is unlikely.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Whether you are for vaccination or pro vaccination.. I believe there are two sides to every story..
      That's the same side.
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      Originally Posted by RealNinja View Post

      Whether you are for vaccintion or pro vaccination.. I believe there are two sides to every story.. and WISH we could talk about it in a sensible matter without fighting.. but is unlikely.
      That's simply not how we operate, here.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        my lack of vaccines won't hurt you a tad.
        Over 100 cases of measles in California (the Disney outbreak) among children who had not been vaccinated. A woman died before the outbreak was over - not of measles but because she was undergoing treatments that suppressed her immune system and was exposed to a child with measles.

        It hurt her more than a tad.

        It's more important now to quell the misinformation than ever before. We are taking in thousands of refugees across our borders - and may be taking in thousands more European refugees soon. Have they been vaccinated?

        Never mind - it's not an argument people who are stridently anti-vacc will listen to.
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