Maybe there is a little hope

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There used to be a kind of nice show called boy meets world. For those unfamiliar with the concept, it follows a character(earlier a BOY), as that character went through life in a somewhat upper middle class public school. This included relationships with friends, siblings, bullies, and the school faculty.

They recently created a spinoff called GIRL meets world. In typical fashion, they tried to get the SAME people they had in the older version, but then used them as the older generation. So Cory(Played by the OLD cory character's actor) married his lifelong sweetheart topanga(Played by the OLD topanga character's actress), and they had a GIRL named Riley. She has a brother named Augie.

Of course, the problem here is that the older people are the same, and the kids are expected to be pretty much what the parents are. I guess they COULD have adopted the brother, but it would require explanation, etc....

OK, so the overall appearance of much of the cast is fixed. The girl's teacher, the girl, the brother, the mother, all their relatives, and many of their old teachers and friends. Even an old classmate(Cory's competition for topanga), and an old bully(who used to beat up cory) are fixed.

Anyway, their latest show, "GIRL meets STEM" is interesting. The school, in its usual(That's the US government for you) stupidity, provides tests for HALF the class, which is about 50% female. So they decide to split the class in groups of two. One girl, and one boy to each test. Since it is hard to split it evenly, one person is to drop a marble in a solution. The other is to ANALYZE the solution. All the boys ask the girls to drop the marble. ALL the girls GLADLY do it except Riley. Frankly, if I were Riley, I would have been upset with the teacher, and asked that I and my partner each do the WHOLE test ourselves. But NOPE, SHE complained, to her partner, that SHE should do the analysis. BTW did I mention that HER mother, Topanga, was recognized as the second smartest in her class, and her partner's father, Mincus was recgnized as the smartest in his class. So they BOTH felt they had something to live up to.

The teacher said earlier that FEW people ever get the correct answer. ODDLY, her partner, the old geniuses son, Farkle, states that the marble appears to be merely mud, and not special. Riley comes up with a silly idea, that ends up being correct. The teacher created the test to show how girls often lose any interest for STEM at that time. They gladly accept doing a relatively worthless task, as almost all of the girls did.

Frankly, I see two facts there. 1. Women are underrepresented because they as a group set themselves up to be and, 2. We should FORGET about groups in school, except for most sports. Let people succeed and fail on their OWN merits, and give them a chance to see the WHOLE project.

Her brother Augie had an interesting reversal, both for his character and tradition. His team "WON" a trophy! And HE "WON" a trophy! OH, he was SO happy! His mother didn't seem to care and even drank the OJ she poured for, and offered to, him. And he spoke of the trophy and how she wasn't happy while SHE asked him "And did you notice the mother's of the opposing team thanking me for having you?". Topanga seems to take the BLUNT approach in such matters. Auggie got the trophy to keep people from being disappointed! When the "obnoxious donothing spoiled brat"(Sorry, that IS her character's persona, in one scene, Cory says that people generally don't come with labels, and Eva comes in with a shirt that says "spoiled brat"!) Eva, comes over, she shows HER trophy, for being on the WINNING team, and you see she was on the OTHER team. SHE is upset that Augie got a similar trophy, because HIS team just stood there. Augie asked WHY they should do more, because he wouldn't get any more recognition. Eva was SHOCKED to see that Topanga was on HER side! Topanga was simply reacting the same way that she had throughout the whole Boy meets world and Girl meets world series! In a way, Augie became Eva, and Eva fell in line with Topanga's morality.

The fact? Not being honest with the teams is a bad idea. If the idea isn't a proper competition with relevant recognition, then why even keep score or give trophies? Trophies, like tips, have often become MEANINGLESS TOKENS.

So even with the attempts to change the language, and few things that reek of propaganda, there is still a glimmer of hope.

Steve
  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    I see the above post, (stripping away all the anecdotes about the show) as a comment on role model perceptions about the sexes, competition between people, individually and in teams.

    The Greeks invented the Olympic games and the ideal was the perusal of excellence in sporting and athletic prowess. You see how the rest of the world embraced the concept of achieving personal and collective glory in winning, to excel.

    I think that was a great step back for mankind, to indoctrinate and pressurise people to excel. To not excel means failure and being looked down on. Peer pressure. Sure, you should encourage and help others to do well but only if they ask for help. Never make it an unsaid requirement and make people think that they have to do exceptionally well or they are a life failure, demeaning them.

    Most people on the planet have average intelligence and prowess/motivation. They don't excel in anything much and perhaps don't feel the need too, But, the society they inhabit seems to have made this a mandate to instill from birth, thanks to the Greeks
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    • Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Most people on the planet have average intelligence and prowess/motivation. They don't excel in anything much and perhaps don't feel the need too, But, the society they inhabit seems to have made this a mandate to instill from birth, thanks to the Greeks
      I guess the deal right now is to excel at bein' who you are an' share what you got, in a kinda hierarchy of width an' breadth.

      It is not so much dumbin' down as makin' vocal across.

      But I would be sad not to tease myself on because I figure excellence is a play across time rather than a static honor.

      If this is as good as it gets for me an' there is no room for anythin' further then I would feel diminished.

      So if we are all makin' 'vocal across' about our own emergence in time then I figure we got a cool mutually inclusive deal to play with, because we all share on that even if we don't wanna.

      Other than that, I got no beef against the Greeks apart from their shit taste in cheese.

      What the hell were they thinkin' squeezin' goats' titzos over decent salad?
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      Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      I see the above post, (stripping away all the anecdotes about the show) as a comment on role model perceptions about the sexes, competition between people, individually and in teams.
      Not really "role model", but PERCEIVED role models. Males, for example, didn't have a gigantic meeting and decide on a global scale to come up with concepts and apply them to females. They just often fit, and women were best prepared to handle them, and all decided on them. Even LITTLE girls seemed to agree. That society changed, and the social dynamic has changed so much and encouraged women to move out so much, etc... wasn't some giant conspiracy. I for one, even as a male, see the need for women to strive in some of these ways and haven't said they weren't capable of it. If they can compete, GREAT! I am just against the garbage of FORCING percentages! If even 100% of CEOs were male, and women believed that the relative percentage was 50%, and thus the women CEOs should be 50%, GREAT! Let them wait for 50% to open up or be created, and fill them by being the best applicant there.

      The Greeks invented the Olympic games and the ideal was the perusal of excellence in sporting and athletic prowess. You see how the rest of the world embraced the concept of achieving personal and collective glory in winning, to excel.

      I think that was a great step back for mankind, to indoctrinate and pressurise people to excel. To not excel means failure and being looked down on. Peer pressure. Sure, you should encourage and help others to do well but only if they ask for help. Never make it an unsaid requirement and make people think that they have to do exceptionally well or they are a life failure, demeaning them.
      I am all for allowing people to do as little as they want, as long as they don't ask others to pay them for their laziness, or devalue the success of others. Am I going to excel in everything? NO WAY! And I have generally been allowed to do what I can and not do what I can't. Did the GREEKS ever require all to try to do their best in the olympics? I DOUBT IT! If they really did, they would not have been able to do ANYTHING! Even the GAMES would have been hampered! WHO would watch? WHERE would they sit? HOW would they live(I mean how could they even EAT!)? Societies need a LOT of people.

      That said, I have a step brother that is mentally retarded. He is a janitor. He has roommates, and people caring for him. I am more ok with having taxes pay for him to survive than to purchase a computer for some normal kid that is in a family of able people living off of welfare. That kid will likely mostly play games anyway.

      Most people on the planet have average intelligence and prowess/motivation. They don't excel in anything much and perhaps don't feel the need too, But, the society they inhabit seems to have made this a mandate to instill from birth, thanks to the Greeks
      WHICH society? That isn't true of the US! From what I have seen, it isn't true of canada, mexico, france, germany, or any part of scandinavia. PLEASE name a nation that makes it a mandate, or EVEN strongly encourages it! I don't even think greece, italy, etc... do.

      BTW Average motivation is misleading and it even makes one wonder about average intelligence, School has been dumbed down SO much. I really wonder what school was like even in the 40s.

      People make it sound like people are so much smarter now. Many cash registers and the like don't even have prices anymore. You often don't even have to touch a keyboard, The SAT now allows calculators that could transparently be replaced by special purpose COMPUTERS. People ask why you have to know how to add, because of calculators, and why you have to write/sign because of keyboards, and why you have to know geography or history "because that is the INTERNET'S JOB"!

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      • Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

        People make it sound like people are so much smarter now.
        Sounds like self-fulfillin' progeny.
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  • Profile picture of the author RealNinja
    they've got a show 'girl meets world now' which still has some of the original cast in it like Ben Savage.
    My daughter and her friends love the show. its cute
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Steve - all that to state your ideas about competition and trophies for participation?

    I believe competition has its place. Sure - not everyone can excel - but that shouldn't mean we hold down those that can and want to.

    What is lousy is that we base our whole existence on competition. What if we taught kids to do things that are relevant, useful, and self fulfilling that aren't competitive - like gardening? Cooking? Woodworking - where the enjoyment of the task and the end product are their own rewards? Art, photography, horticulture, crafts. Everyone can excel at something even if they aren't cut out for hardcore competition.

    Why does everything and anything have to center around competition anyway? This sick idea of everything having to be about winning/losing or that it's not fair that everyone isn't able to be just as good as the winners at everything is just gotten out of hand. Give the damned kids some seeds and let them grow some tomatoes and watch them smile when they're served for dinner - or give the kid a jackknife and a hunk of wood and let them carve something for cripes sakes.
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