Wounded Warrior Project - Not Good

by BigFrank Banned
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Greetings,

CBS News had a scathing report, this evening, on the wasteful expenditures by the honchos at the WWP. Charity Navigator is now reporting that they only give 60% of money raised to vet services while DAV and another I don't recall give 96% and 91% respectively.

They spent $26M on their top veterans assistance program, while spending $27M on meetings and functions (that's code for parties). They raised $300M last year,

CBS's Good Morning America is continuing the story, tomorrow morning, detailing that the services and treatments they fund are woefully inadequate.

There isn't a hot enough room in hell.

Cheers. - Frank
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post


    There isn't a hot enough room in hell.
    Curious expression coming from you

    but yes thats abysmal specifically since its goal is supposed to be helping out veterans hurt in service of our country many of which have a lifetime of needs in front of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post


    CBS News had a scathing report, this evening, on the wasteful expenditures by the honchos at the WWP. Charity Navigator is now reporting that they only give 60% of money raised to vet services while DAV and another I don't recall give 96% and 91% respectively.

    They spent $26M on their top veterans assistance program, while spending $27M on meetings and functions (that's code for parties). They raised $300M last year,
    Thats funny. A year or two ago I was flying home from knoxville. And sat next to a guy who worked for WWP.
    It was weird he kept talking about all the meetings he was flying to for this Organization and all the plans they had for the future.

    I thought to myself it is really strange to be talking about your job like it was a position in a conventional business environment.

    And at our local Walmart we have 5 or 6 spaces right up close designated for Wounded Warriors and they are NEVER occupied . Never seen one person park in their for years..

    This Organization wreaks of something suspicious, imo
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  • Profile picture of the author agc
    I'll make it very simple so everyone can understand:

    Any charity with massive advertising programs? Guess where the money goes.

    Duh.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by agc View Post

      I'll make it very simple so everyone can understand:

      Any charity with massive advertising programs? Guess where the money goes.

      Duh.
      Well, the others have reputation only, pretty much, as far as I know. The wounded warrior project at least USED to get a LOT of free publicity. I guess after THIS, that will dry up. The money did NOT have to go to advertising.

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        A friend was giving money to a group called ​The Center for American Homeless Veterans. They called him and somehow I got on their calling list and I gave them my mailing address. I was going to give them some money but I figured I would check them out first. They are fairly small compared to some of these other larger organizations. Their website shows their most recent tax statement, which is 2013 apparently. The prior year they had contributions of $2,060,023. Of that amount the professional fundraising fees amounted to $1,823,098! Plus, they spent another $232,981 on employee salaries and benefits! I couldn't believe it and when they called back I told them they seem to spend all of their money on their call centers. Haven't heard back from them since. What a racket! I bet somehow the charity is directly connected to the call centers.

        Here's their website and financial statement:

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    IMO most advertised charities are scams.

    There's a charity that advertises on local TV about dogs & cats where they send you a tshirt for a donation. WTH! So send thousands of people tshirts that cost about $10 each to make instead of using the money towards the charity.
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  • Profile picture of the author agc
    I truly struggle with this one... on the one hand, they only use 60% for the charity, and that's pretty shitty.

    Buy on the other hand, if they didn't advertise, and they didn't give out the TShirts, they'd use 100% for the charity, but would raise much less money. Which would you rather have (for the charity): 100% of $100k or 60% of $50m?

    What's really shitty is that people won't part with the $20 unless they get the crappy TShirt or unless they see the stupid kids pretending to be a band on the TV.

    But there are a LOT of really shady money raising operations, and far too many charities allow their name to be used by skeezy fundraisers who pass along far too little of the proceeds, sometimes only 20 or even 10 cents on the dollar.

    The pitch goes like this: We raise money for you. For free. Costs you nothing, you just say "go for it" and money starts showing up. The charity CEO might be kinda slow to accept, so they throw in a little something for him personally. It's really hard to resist free money, zero effort, for your charity.

    Once the papers are signed, all those cretins you know and love from Boiler Room and Wolf of Wall Street hit the phones hard and start printing money, er, picking pockets I mean.

    Those are the ones I don't have mixed feelings about. Those mercenary fund raisers should mostly be dragged out back and shot.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by agc View Post

      Those are the ones I don't have mixed feelings about. Those mercenary fund raisers should mostly be dragged out back and shot.
      "Mostly." Really?

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I stay away from all fundraisers that spend nearly as much or more on dubious administrative costs, including t-shirts and advertising. I don't want a stinking t-shirt to help people or animals. I consider that a waste of my money and won't donate if I'm offered a "product" for my donation.

    I'm glad the news is shining a bright light on their expenditures and hope their donations sink like a stone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      I have a pile of mail I've been collecting regularly for my parents now. It's bad down here in Florida where the retired old folks are targeted.

      One of the charities actually had MONEY in the envelopes it was sending out! Like 6 cents or something.

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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

    Greetings,

    CBS News had a scathing report, this evening, on the wasteful expenditures by the honchos at the WWP. Charity Navigator is now reporting that they only give 60% of money raised to vet services while DAV and another I don't recall give 96% and 91% respectively.

    They spent $26M on their top veterans assistance program, while spending $27M on meetings and functions (that's code for parties). They raised $300M last year,

    CBS's Good Morning America is continuing the story, tomorrow morning, detailing that the services and treatments they fund are woefully inadequate.

    There isn't a hot enough room in hell.

    Cheers. - Frank

    Now you know why the only military charities I support are the following:


    -Navy and Marine Corps Relief Society
    -Army Relief
    -Air Force Aid Society


    If you look 'em up, the put almost all of their money into aid, with almost no overhead.


    All those charities that go on national TV for funds don't put much into what they claim to help. Sorry, but I don't even trust DAV anymore since they started those national TV ads. Those kinds of ads are expensive, and take away from the main mission of any charity.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      Sorry, but I don't even trust DAV anymore since they started those national TV ads. Those kinds of ads are expensive, and take away from the main mission of any charity.
      The numbers don't lie. They give 96% of the money raised to veterans programs. DAV is the only vet charity that I give to. Additionally, their staff's intervention and support were instrumental in helping me get my VA disability raised to 100%. Fighting the VA alone is a losing battle, almost 100% of the time.

      Now, if I could just get them to stop sending me return address labels, I'd be a happy camper. I have accumulated thousands of them and I doubt that I mailed 6 pieces of snail mail, all last year. lol

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        The numbers don't lie. They give 96% of the money raised to veterans programs. DAV is the only vet charity that I give to.
        What ? A veteran giving to veterans. Well, your not the low life curmudgeon I thought you were
        BigFrank, you better do some damage control here as your image is going to suffer with this one LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          What ? A veteran giving to veterans.
          Most that I know, do.
          Well, your not the low life curmudgeon I thought you were
          Sure I am. It's part of my charm.
          BigFrank, you better do some damage control here as your image is going to suffer with this one LOL
          Let's see. My disability payments have totaled well over $1M over the years, tax free. I'm sure the therapy and medical care I have received over the decades total well over another $1M. I couldn't sleep at night if I didn't give generously to the DAV. They're good people.

          Also, they were responsible for getting the VA Department of Vocational Rehabilitation to purchase my first Macintosh and later paying for my tuition to NYU for a certificate in Web Development.

          I'm nothing if not extremely appreciative for their actions on my behalf. :-)

          Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author agc
    I say mostly on the off chance there might be one boiler room phone operation that passes the money along and might not be pimping a charities name for new dubs on the boxter. *IF* such a one exists, then they *MIGHT* be exempt from the summary executions.

    But even a totally legit fundraising operation will still be pretty expensive. People dialing phones is expensive, stamps are expensive.

    Again. Mixed feelings.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by agc View Post

      But even a totally legit fundraising operation will still be pretty expensive. People dialing phones is expensive, stamps are expensive.
      Meaningless. All that matters is ROI. It actually does pay to advertise, most of the time. Have you seen the cost of a 30-second ad on this year's Super Bowl? They will run out of ad slots before they run out of companies willing to spend the money. We all know why that is.

      Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by agc View Post

      I say mostly on the off chance there might be one boiler room phone operation that passes the money along and might not be pimping a charities name for new dubs on the boxter. .
      Riiiiight. And I'll be named, 'Sexiest Man, Alive.' :-)

      Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Well one of MY anecdotes is about how I went to a small city council meeting, on helping the poor. There was ONE woman claiming to want to help, though she WAS politically placed, and only got people there. There was ANOTHER claiming to want to help that wasn't even there. HE was a long time politician. There was a person that was there apparently to antagonize everyone, and eat donuts. There was a nice cop talking of HIS experience, and the dire need to do something ABSURDLY SIMPLE! There was ANOTHER guy that claimed to plan to do what I had ALREADY DONE! EXACTLY what the cop wanted! And there was ME! I didn't want a political position, money, or any big assistance. ALL I wanted to do was HELP, and get info that would help me do that.

    The cop spoke of how he recently had a small homeless family with a pet dog, and he found them early in the morning near midnight and needed to find a place for these people. They were just the type of people that were hard to place, and WHO do you call at MIDNIGHT!?!?!? This was BEFORE the internet was opened up! It was BEFORE the WWW and BEFORE html browsers.

    So WHAT was MY plan? A simple database! You call a computer, via modem, enter the criteria, so HERE it would be a woman with kids and a pet, in such and such an area, and it would tell you how to contact places that fit. I only had several hundred places, and only in a few areas, but it was hard to find details. That is all I wanted. The woman I spoke of that got people there was a friend of mine, and she suggested I present my idea there.

    So what of the guy that planned to do what I was doing? His REAL goal, and REAL job, was to PROMISE the kind of thing I was doing to get funding, and HE would get a kind of commission. I even gave him my card, and said I would even give him my code, and he NEVER contacted me!

    I swear! For every person wanting to REALLY help, there have to be over a dozen that want to hurt, or unjustly benefit in some way. Of course MOST just don't care, or aren't firmly in any camp.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      Well one of MY anecdotes is about how I went to a small city council meeting, on helping the poor. There was ONE woman claiming to want to help, though she WAS politically placed, and only got people there. There was ANOTHER claiming to want to help that wasn't even there. HE was a long time politician. There was a person that was there apparently to antagonize everyone, and eat donuts. There was a nice cop talking of HIS experience, and the dire need to do something ABSURDLY SIMPLE! There was ANOTHER guy that claimed to plan to do what I had ALREADY DONE! EXACTLY what the cop wanted! And there was ME! I didn't want a political position, money, or any big assistance. ALL I wanted to do was HELP, and get info that would help me do that.

      The cop spoke of how he recently had a small homeless family with a pet dog, and he found them early in the morning near midnight and needed to find a place for these people. They were just the type of people that were hard to place, and WHO do you call at MIDNIGHT!?!?!? This was BEFORE the internet was opened up! It was BEFORE the WWW and BEFORE html browsers.

      So WHAT was MY plan? A simple database! You call a computer, via modem, enter the criteria, so HERE it would be a woman with kids and a pet, in such and such an area, and it would tell you how to contact places that fit. I only had several hundred places, and only in a few areas, but it was hard to find details. That is all I wanted. The woman I spoke of that got people there was a friend of mine, and she suggested I present my idea there.

      So what of the guy that planned to do what I was doing? His REAL goal, and REAL job, was to PROMISE the kind of thing I was doing to get funding, and HE would get a kind of commission. I even gave him my card, and said I would even give him my code, and he NEVER contacted me!

      I swear! For every person wanting to REALLY help, there have to be over a dozen that want to hurt, or unjustly benefit in some way. Of course MOST just don't care, or aren't firmly in any camp.

      Steve
      Law Enforcement, Victims Advocates, Social Services and the Salvation Army help in these particular situations in my neck of the woods. My hotel will provide a room for up to a few nights for crime victims or displaced people. Other hotels in the area do the same and a few do long term stays. In cases of abuse, Victims Advocates works with a nationwide network to place people far away from the abuser.

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      As for the Charities, some - some, not all - some of the t-shirts n stuff, marketing, and advertising might be donated or paid for by Philanthropical organizations and individuals. My cousin spent a lot of her career in corporate giving at a huge insurance company.

      As for Wounded Warrior, the wiki article covers the CBS report already: Over $26 million spent for meetings in
      2014. Millions on a remodel of their 80,000 sq ft headquarters. Over $3 million for an all employee conference
      at a luxury hotel in Colorado Springs, CO. The founder feels the current CEO took the organization away from
      him and he hardly gets mention on their paperwork. The current CEO contends he is modeling after Starbucks
      in terms of branding .... / Even corporation practice austerity - virtual meetings instead of meetings at lavish hotels......

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Warrior_Project
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I see agc was banned.
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