Check Out The States With The Most Dry Counties -- As If Prohibition Never Ended

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Posted: 8 years ago 28 replies

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Check out the states with the most dry counties — as if Prohibition never ended - Salon.com

yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Not being able to sell & being able to consume are two different things. It's like lottery tickets one state doesn't allow selling lottery tickets so buyers cross the state line to buy tickets.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Not being able to sell & being able to consume are two different things. It's like lottery tickets one state doesn't allow selling lottery tickets so buyers cross the state line to buy tickets.

Cross a county/state line just to get a drink?

American Taliban in control!

I have no doubt the SCOTUS would strike those local laws down but probably no one has challenged them. And if the locals are cool with it - that's their business.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Cross a county/state line just to get a drink?.

Nobody has to drink alcohol to live, they drink it because they want to (no big deal), same as buying a lottery ticket, nobody needs a lottery ticket to live.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

American Taliban in control!

Nonsense.

I'd like to see data on alcohol related fatalities for dry counties.

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I have no doubt the SCOTUS would strike those local laws down but probably no one has challenged them. And if the locals are cool with it - that's their business.

Doubtful the Supreme Court cares because the 21st amendment brings alcohol sales down to state level.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Nobody has to drink alcohol to live, they drink it because they want to (no big deal), same as buying a lottery ticket, nobody needs a lottery ticket to live.

Nonsense.

I'd like to see data on alcohol related fatalities for dry counties.

Doubtful the Supreme Court cares because the 21st amendment brings alcohol sales down to state level.

I stand corrected on the SC getting involved with states and alcohol.

Now...

Whether it's the American Taliban in action is a matter of opinion and the amount of deaths involved has no bearing on my opinion.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

Whether it's the American Taliban in action is a matter of opinion and the amount of deaths involved has no bearing on my opinion.

I have no idea why you think local laws are extremist (irrelevant nonsense). Those dry laws are in place based on the opinion of local people.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I have no idea why you think local laws are extremist (irrelevant nonsense). Those dry laws are in place based on the opinion of local people.

And IMHO, I already said if they're ok with it they can roll with it.

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Kay King

8 years ago

I have no doubt the SCOTUS would strike those local laws down

Wrong - States' Rights take precedence in this case and in many other laws that are not the same from one state to another.

As for driving to another state - we've done that here many times...it's about a 10 minute drive.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by Kay King

Interesting Salon would think this is newsworthy - it's been dry in some parts of the country for generations. Some of the dry counties are "no booze" but many are "no sales on Sunday" or sales of only some types of beverages and not others.

Wrong - States' Rights take precedence in this case and in many other laws that are not the same from one state to another.

As for driving to another state - we've done that here many times...it's about a 10 minute drive.

In SC stores won't even sell shoes before noon on Sunday because of local Blue laws.

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TLTheLiberator 8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

In SC stores won't even sell shoes before noon on Sunday because of local Blue laws.

Now that sounds very talibanish to me.
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- yukon Banned 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator
  
  Now that sounds very talibanish to me.
  
  The laws only exist because enough local people wanted the laws. I don't think any violence was involved.
  
  Context also plays a role, SC is in the bible belt.
  
  I don't agree with the law but at the same time I've found it's easy enough to plan around the restrictions (don't shop for anything on Sunday morning).
  
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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I've already stood corrected by Yukon, Mrs. Mcglocklin.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I have no idea why you think local laws are extremist (irrelevant nonsense). Those dry laws are in place based on the opinion of local people.

I hope you are not suggesting that any local law can not be extremist just because its based on the opinion of the locals.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

I hope you are not suggesting that any local law can not be extremist just because its based on the opinion of the locals.

Yes, I'm suggesting that.

The southern US is not the Middle East no matter how many times you make the suggestion. Banning alcohol sales is a far cry from radical violence. Nobody ever died from not buying alcohol.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

My point is the church crowd is telling others what to do and/or when to do it - and that's talibanish.

But if the locals are cool with it and its not a big deal - like the sale of alcohol - more power to the people of that locality.

Any local law is OK because it's local? Really??

Like not serving, for example people of German descent in their restaurants?

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yukon

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

You're focused on condemning people that vote for local laws but keep saying you're ok with it If they're ok with it. Not sure why you're bouncing back & forth.

If the local people are majority of one religion & majority votes rule then there's nothing the non-majority can do about a law they don't agree with. If they don't like the law/s move or have more like minded voters move into the area.

The US Gov allowed US states to make their own alcohol law decisions. The US Gov wouldn't allow racism laws so that last comment is irrelevant.

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TLTheLiberator

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You're the one talking about all local laws can't be extreme just because they are local.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

You're the one talking about all local laws can't be extreme just because they are local.

State laws can't be extreme (extremist) because they're part of the Union which is controlled by the US Gov.
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- seasoned 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  State laws can't be extreme (extremist) because they're part of the Union which is controlled by the US Gov.
  
  Good point!
  1. HOW can you beat the Federal government in such an endeavor?
  2. Things like borders, treatment of citizens, wages, etc.... are SEVERELY limited by federal law, so you would be limited ANYWAY! Is texas thinking about a border on the US side, or restricting trade with other states, or offering a low wage, etc? SORRY! ILLEGAL!
  
  AGAIN though, to give a nod to TL! California, Illnois, New york, and some other states DO have an invisible border of sorts! You want to protect yourself in a crime ridden area according to common or traditional methods? SORRY! If a cop finds out, you could end up in JAIL!
  
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8 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

WOW! I thought you would be ALL FOR not selling to people of German descent. I mean so many figure they were all NAZI in WWII, etc... BUT, ironically enough, I doubt Germans would ever be treated as a protected class.

As for talibanish? I can only guess about your dana carvey video, but I recently saw one talking about the current european situation, so hear HIM out about talibanish!

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Midnight Oil 8 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

My point is the church crowd is telling others what to do and/or when to do it - and that's talibanish.

Your comment is bigotish.

You clearly have no real grasp on what you're talking about.

Nice try at a religious thread, though.
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- lanfear63 8 years ago
  
  We are talking about a belief and values system that probably was based on biblical teachings and influences, so there is probably some truth in it. The map concentration shows a high instance of prohibition in areas where religious participation was and still is at it's strongest.
  
  Texas loses a lot of tax revenue to neighbouring states for not allowing casinos to operate. Perhaps another influence pointer (aside from the pockets of land owned by American Indians)
  
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Kay King 8 years ago

Now that sounds very talibanish to me.

I wonder if you would use that terminology so lightly if you had personal experience living under a taliban regime.
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- TLTheLiberator 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kay King
  
  I wonder if you would use that terminology so lightly if you had personal experience living under a taliban regime.
  
  If the shoe fits...
  
  Once again,
  
  My point is the church crowd is telling others what to do and/or when to do it - and that's talibanish.
  
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  seasoned 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator
  
  If the shoe fits...
  
  Once again,
  
  My point is the church crowd is telling others what to do and/or when to do it - and that's talibanish.
  
  Well, there IS a group that constantly tells people to do what is even harmful for them. The *****INSIST****! They ****SUE****! They DESTROY people's lives! They FINE! They ACCUSE! They want to DESTROY the following amendments! 1-10,13-15,17,22,24, etc... To support their cause, they effectively have a lock on almost anything, and breathing a word against them, or even displeasure, could get your car keyed, etc... Just don't put a bumper sticker on your car! Someone may take a sledgehammer to it.
  
  And YOU speak of the church? What a laugh,
  
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  SteveJohnson 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator
  
  If the shoe fits...
  
  Once again,
  
  My point is the church crowd is telling others what to do and/or when to do it - and that's talibanish.
  
  So you'd be ok with a law banning alcohol if the 'church crowd' hadn't influenced it.
  
  Why do you have such a hard on against religious people?
  
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ThomM

8 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Not being able to sell & being able to consume are two different things. It's like lottery tickets one state doesn't allow selling lottery tickets so buyers cross the state line to buy tickets.

When I lived in Tampa years ago Hillsboro county didn't allow alcohol sales on Sunday. Almost every road going out of the county had a convenience store just over the county line selling beer and wine. The stores would be packed every Sunday at noon.

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seasoned

8 years ago

The US SC is supposed to ONLY be the supreme arbiter in important cases that they chose to hear that have gone through every other channel, or in things violating the constitution. There is NO constitutional right to alcoholic beverages! There never has been.

HERE is what it says: eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

And what does the 18th say?

Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all the territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

So basically, the amendment only says that the US has not codified a universal prohibition. THAT is all the previous amendment was, was a UNIVERSAL prohibition. Various prohibitions have been in many places for decades, or even 100s of years! MOST restrict the type of alcohol or conditions under which it is consumed or purchased, or WHO can take it, but they can outlaw it fully if they want.

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seasoned 8 years ago

BTW perhaps the ONLY reason they got rid of the 18th amendment was that they found that most people found ways to use their supply, and bribery, to make it virtually meaningless and it endangered lives and helped crime. ALSO many tried to create their OWN supply without any thought, and ended up having major problems. So they determined it was the lesser of two evils.

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