Has The Gig Economy Reached A Tipping Point?

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Has The Gig Economy Reached A Tipping Point? | ThinkProgress
  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    WELL WELL WELL, so there IS a scale they are pushing! And they talk about UBER and LYFT as if they are the ONLY ones! ******WRONG******! They are the johnny come latelys. What of the dozens or hundreds of others? You see, if I ran UBER or lyft, I would have the base price set around the base in the industry. I mean WHY set it lower, get lawsuits, possibly get yur model destroyed, and upset your drivers? And if you set it HIGHER, you get a problem like what THEY are describing.

    SO, QUESTION! If they set it at the industry, and now have the problems that they would have had with a higher price, WHY? Is it because of SATURATION, as they imply? If so, it means that they are hitting a wall where they threaten to destroy established careers and possibly have still MORE lawsuits!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Why would someone write an article about "tipping point"....and never mention "tipping point" in the article?
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Why would someone write an article about "tipping point"....and never mention "tipping point" in the article?
        For the same reason the talk about GIG. People get the idea that some important thing may have reached its limit and life may change. They really know nothing else.

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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Maybe their normal readers don't need "tipping point" repeated all throughout the article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      So because it's "thinkprogress" it's OK to use a teaser headline that has nothing to do with the topic written?

      What IS the "point"? That Uber and Lyft drivers aren't paid enough? What will happen once we "tip over"??? Go back to using yellow cab?

      These 'gypsy' companies got riders by under pricing major organized cab companies. Now they have to compete in price with each other - free market in action. What does TP want - organize/unionize and become just another cab company?

      You know I'm just kidding - it's a silly article to me. But maybe others think it's of great import.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
        Uber has had some difficulties lately but it's still estimated to be valued at between $60 to 70 billion. Here in the Bay Area it's very popular in San Francisco and fairly popular in a few other cities. Thousands of people around here use it every day. Some people decide to sell their cars or never buy one in the first place because of uber, lyft etc...

        I think Uber will be around for a while and be very successful but the day will come when it will be out dated. Driverless cars are not that far away.
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        • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Uber has had some difficulties lately but it's still estimated to be valued at between $60 to 70 billion. Here in the Bay Area it's very popular in San Francisco and fairly popular in a few other cities. Thousands of people around here use it every day. Some people decide to sell their cars or never buy one in the first place because of uber, lyft etc...

          I think Uber with be around for a while and be very successful but the day will come when it will be out dated. Driverless cars are not that far away.
          Wow, 60-70 billion and I have not heard of lyft.

          The American market is huuuuge. Wouldn't uber's best bet to remain in the taxi? business be to eventually go driverless and replace their drivers. That would require uber to spend money on driverless cars. I think I heard something about the average fare, etc. being $7-8 bucks right now.

          I wonder how much uber gets on an average fare right now and can they survive long term - like 50 years from now, after forcefully bumping their way onto the taxi cab dance floor?

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          Just found this with lots of (alleged) numbers.

          Now we know how many drivers Uber has — and have a better idea of what they’re making:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...king%E2%80%8B/
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        • Profile picture of the author rondo
          Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

          Driverless cars are not that far away.
          Tech-wise maybe not far away, but regulation-wise a looong way away I think.

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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    I think Uber is just getting started. It might be established in the US but it's going global. For example it has only just become legal in 2 states here in Oz.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by rondo View Post

      I think Uber is just getting started. It might be established in the US but it's going global. For example it has only just become legal in 2 states here in Oz.

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      They are obviously filling a need and their roughly $10 per fare transactions can really add up. Are they publically traded? Who was the person/group that saw this opportunity?

      I hear there has been some very negative issues with uber drivers. Didn't someone die? If not, uber has my humblest.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

        They are obviously filling a need and their roughly $10 per fare transactions can really add up. Are they publically traded? Who was the person/group that saw this opportunity?

        I hear there has been some very negative issues with uber drivers. Didn't someone die? If not, uber has my humblest.
        I saw a LOT of opportunities, INCLUDING this! If I thought I could skirt the idea of medallions, insurance, etc..., and came up with a decent app, I would have done it. GEE, WHO has traveled and NOT wished they could do such a thing? Even being able to do this with AIRLINES at an AIRPORT is useful. Even hotels is useful. Of course AIRBNB is close to the kind of thing I am talking about with hotels, and I guess airlines would NEVER want to do what I am suggesting. As for the $10 fare, I think the fares are determined roughly the way they are in normal taxis. In normal taxis, they are based on miles and time. Of course, if things get real busy, normal taxis have you wait, and may share. UBER may have you wait, may share, and may raise it's price by some multiple. So the $10 is an AVERAGE. Some are a lot less, and some are quite a bit more. $10 in most cities is enough to get you 2-3 miles, which is probably the average distance to the next stop of a tour, a local restaurant, or work.

        There WAS a case where someone claimed they were attacked by an UBER driver. UBER has mad a *****LOT***** of really STUPID mistakes! ONE stupid mistake they made was NOT identifying their drivers. OH, you say, they have a PICTURE of the person. YEAH, a small one that isn't necessarily good. OH, you say, they have a LICENSE of the car. YEAH, that may not be the license, and is often HARD TO SEE! OH, they name the car make/type. YEAH RIGHT! Like you can research all of them that instant. Some vary GREATLY! How about some SIGN? I mean taxis have done this for perhaps hundreds of years, so why not UBER? WELL, it took them long enough, but UBER is trying some kind of lighted bar in some markets, and the PASSENGER can select the color.

        Anyway, the UBER driver says he wasn't there. He MIGHT be telling the truth.

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          So, I know a bit about Uber because I drove for them for a few months last year. I bought a new car and used the money from Uber to pay off the car more quickly. I probably paid off a quarter of it from the driving. I mostly drove in SF but also in Oakland, Berkeley, the East Bay and in Silicon Valley. I actually enjoyed it most of the time.

          Uber inspects the cars, does background checks, takes the photos of the drivers themselves and requires the driver's to keep a rating at a certain level or the driver isn't able to use the app.

          Many users in SF rarely drive themselves and wouldn't consider using cabs because of the cost. Some have used cabs in the past but won't anymore because the driver's are rude. I had one rider tell me she got in a cab once in downtown SF and then gave the address. The cab driver told her to get out. He wouldn't take her to the Sunset district because he likely wouldn't be able to get a customer on the way back to downtown. Lol.

          The way it works as a driver: You have your phone mounted on your dashboard with the app on when you are ready. If certain areas are busy they will turn to a red color and show the rate increase for that area. This may be because of a concert or sporting event in that area. Or maybe just a daily busy time because of riders getting off work or going out to eat. Then the driver's app will beep and show a rider is in their area. The driver has 15 seconds to accept it. Many times I picked up the rider only a minute or two later. This is one of the advantages uber has over cabs.

          Also, in SF and some other cities the riders can choose to share their ride, and cost, with another rider.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I've only driven a cab for 13 companies in 5 cities, so I don't know as much as driving as seasoned...but I'll add my opinion any way.


    There's a bit of skill to driving a cab. You don't just make money off the bat as a driver. My first month driving I was lucky if I made a $1 per hour. My best friend at the time got me started and then one night he took me out and showed me how to make money. I went from the $1 an hour to about $9-10 a hour basically over night.


    A number of years later, I was in Reno. I had only been there less than a week. During training class there was another guy in class that had lived in Reno his entire life. Knowing I was new he was a little boastful he knew where everything in town was.


    The cab company would post a list of what everyone booked each week. In the first week I was in the top 10 out of 120 drivers or so. He was in the bottom 10. He knew where everything was but the money. I knew how to find the money.


    Over the years older drivers taught me how to work people for tips. I discovered that if I could get the passengers to laugh, it was worth an extra $2-3 dollars extra in a tip.


    My favorite was from an old NY cab driver then driving in Las Vegas. He taught me to mention a celebrity and the word "tip". Something like, "I just had Wayne Newton in the cab and what a great tipper!" Or, "I just dropped Mr. T off at the Mirage and he stiffed me on the tip".


    Either positive or negative, it would almost always result in an above average tip for me.


    Another thing is, the cell phone started changing the cab industry starting back 20 years ago when I last drove. Drivers began getting "personals". Drivers would work out deals with profitable rides where the passenger would schedule trips with a single driver and/or use the driver's cell phone directly instead of going through dispatch.


    The point to this is, I bet there's a lot of Uber drivers that simply don't know how to make money.


    BTW, I know a ex cab driver in Denver that works for both Uber and Lyft at the same time.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      I went from the $1 an hour to about $9-10 a hour basically over night....
      I bet there's a lot of Uber drivers that simply don't know how to make money.
      Have you considered capturing your experiences into a short manual? I bet it'd sell well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    This is probably my favorite cab story...I always asked people in Las Vegas if they liked whatever they did. One time I picked at the Mirage at the Siegfried and Roy show break (Listen up Uber drivers..a good Las Vegas cab driver knows when shows end, not when they start), and I asked everyone "How'd you like the show?".


    Everyone before this guy said they really liked S & F. But this guy was angry.


    I asked him why he didn't like it...he said he had a front row seat and an elephant decided to relieve itself on stage and he got drenched in elephant urine.


    I replied that it sounded like Siegfried needed to get some pachyderm pampers for his elephant. I thought I was hilarious. He didn't laugh.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      I bet you have some stories Kurt. Your elephant urine story reminded me of something I saw while driving for Uber in SF.

      It was in the middle of a warm day and I was stopped at a red light at a T intersection. I saw this blonde surfer looking dude standing in the middle of the street facing the other way. He had his pants hanging down below his ass with his boxers showing. Ok, nothing that unusual yet. I've seen many kids do this. Then the light turns green and I pass by this guy. He's got his dick out and is pissing into his cupped hands and then pouring it into his open mouth. Drinking it I guess. He was smiling while doing this, just having a hell of a time. Now, this is a sight I don't see every day. Lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        I bet you have some stories Kurt. Your elephant urine story reminded me of something I saw while driving for Uber in SF.

        It was in the middle of a warm day and I was stopped at a red light at a T intersection. I saw this blonde surfer looking dude standing in the middle of the street facing the other way. He had his pants hanging down below his ass with his boxers showing. Ok, nothing that unusual yet. I've seen many kids do this. Then the light turns green and I pass by this guy. He's got his dick out and is pissing into his cupped hands and then pouring it into his open mouth. Drinking it I guess. He smiling while doing this, just having a hell of a time. Now, this is a sight I don't see every day. Lol
        Doing all the driving I learned that the people that were naked in public where the same people that should never be naked anywhere, even in the bathroom in their own home.


        I also learned that if you walk into a bar to get a ride and both bartenders and a CUSTOMER are each trying to give you $20 to take the fare, don't take it, no matter how much you want/need the money. Just run away as fast as you can.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Doing all the driving I learned that the people that were naked in public where the same people that should never be naked anywhere, even in the bathroom in their own home.


          I also learned that if you walk into a bar to get a ride and both bartenders and a CUSTOMER are each trying to give you $20 to take the fare, don't take it, no matter how much you want/need the money. Just run away as fast as you can.
          This is so true!

          I remember me and my wife got married in Maui. Went and viewed a nude section of Beach. .
          95% of the people prancing around in the nude had NO business. Just a disturbing site.

          Is this the norm when it comes to Streakers and Nudists ?

          It sure seems that way. Every once in while you will get a hottie doing it.

          Btw, I will have to admit my wife talked about this one 20 something Brad Pitt looking guy at this Nude Beach in Maui. She called him 'elephant man' . Nuff said lol
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        I bet you have some stories Kurt. Your elephant urine story reminded me of something I saw while driving for Uber in SF.

        It was in the middle of a warm day and I was stopped at a red light at a T intersection. I saw this blonde surfer looking dude standing in the middle of the street facing the other way. He had his pants hanging down below his ass with his boxers showing. Ok, nothing that unusual yet. I've seen many kids do this. Then the light turns green and I pass by this guy. He's got his dick out and is pissing into his cupped hands and then pouring it into his open mouth. Drinking it I guess. He was smiling while doing this, just having a hell of a time. Now, this is a sight I don't see every day. Lol
        At least he is NOT drinking something else in his hands LOL

        Seriously, a guy like that has serious mental issues ,imo. I don't care where you are lol
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