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Is it just me or does VISTA suck the big one?

by Marty S
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It seems almost every day I am having issues with VISTA now. Most of them are minor inconveniences and some can require me to buy something else or get a refund on a product that isn't getting along very well with VISTA.

I have a bout 6 computers in my house, and my supposedly most powerful one (PC), is often crippled with VISTA sickness - forcing me to use my old PC4 with XP Pro, or my laptop with XP Home.

Further, after owning a new iMac now for a few months the plug and play smoothness of the OSX with virtually anything I throw at it is well, on some days, my saving grace. Anyway, I know where my money will be leaning in the future in terms of hardware.
#big #vista
  • Profile picture of the author christftw
    What types of problems?

    Vista gets a lot of hate because users don't understand certain things and auto-blame Vista.

    I've never had any issues with Vista really, even back when I looked for 'em because it was "cool" to hate Vista.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      - Authorizing a second step for every install.
      - Coming back from sleep mode cuts out USB devices like they weren't there
      - Numerous, individual third party software problems
      - Disappearing gadgets
      - Crashing during video production

      I guess my biggest problem with VISTA is that I DO not have the same problems with XP pro, XP home and OSX on my iMac. I may very well be under-educated in how to coddle VISTA to work properly, but good OS should coddle the user, not the other way around.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by christftw View Post

      What types of problems?

      Vista gets a lot of hate because users don't understand certain things and auto-blame Vista.

      I've never had any issues with Vista really, even back when I looked for 'em because it was "cool" to hate Vista.
      NO, you NEVER really looked for them! What me to tell you a FEW things I remembered? NONE were subjective, or were because of a lack of understanding.

      1. Defaults to aero gui which is the ULTIMATE in form over function. It is a hog in VEEREY respect! Eventually, it may suggest that you ask it to turn it off! OBVIOUSLY, this means they have had lots of complaints, etc....

      2. It is a REAL memory hog.

      3. A LOT of software won't run on it, and that INCLUDES some installers.

      4. The "compatibility" mode is incomplete and works only on INSTALLED software, see #3!

      5. They INTENTIONALLY destroyed TAPI! I mean DESTROYED IT! That device will NO LONGER work in an M/S compatible way.

      6. It creates nuisance messages that are no good anyway, since they ASSUME you know precisely what it is trying to do. That is a DUMB assumption. You CAN disable it but, after disabling all such things, what benefit is there?

      Those are only things I REMEMBER that vista had that other windows variants didn't. It seemed to have all the old problems as well.

      SO christftw, you never really DID try to look at it. People don't WANT to have problems with their computers!

      BTW I DID fix it! I disabled aero, got some software to work, I EVEN got my VPN(that required TAPI), to TRICK vista into letting it work by using another device. I also turned off the nuisance stuff. You know what I ended up with? A fancy looking, odd, less capable XP!

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author ddude78
    I've heard that Vista is not getting good ratings. Wasn't there some other Window OSs in the past that were the same way? I think there was, but I can't remember which ones.

    I heard that a new Windows OS is coming soon. I can't remember what it is called, but I'm going to wait for the reviews on it to come out before trying it. That is what I did with Vista. In the mean time, my favorite OS is Windows XP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Leanne King
    You are not the only one Mine crashes always when I'm in the middle of something important, won't open some programs no matter how much I try and tempt it and can be generally temperamental. It got to the stage that I bit the bullet and bought a spare XP as well so at least I'd have something that was going!
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  • Profile picture of the author TeddyP
    I had enough problems with Vista that I switched to Mac...I have heard glowing praise for Windows 7 though.

    Vista was just garbage IMO. I defended it voraciously at first when everyone was complaining about a lot of hardware compatibility issues. I missed most of those complications.

    It was the other things that pissed me off - like Vista recognizing my HD as a removable hardware. Or the HORRIBLE update system. I was stuck in a loop that update would install...wouldn't work...reconfigure...update tries to install.

    I turned off updates but of course that meant no SP2 and that meant no CS4. HORRIBLE. I even went through many "fixes" and gave control of my comp to a MS service rep. Who after trying a bunch of things sent me an email "This is a problem MS is currently working on" That was MONTHS ago.

    Good riddance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Trying to clean up the directory tree is pure fun.

      You delete one of the directories that Vista comes with and 6 seconds later the directory is back along with a duplicate of the dir. Do it again and you can have a directory tree with 8 Desktops and 6 Documents folders.

      Of course some of the dups now have Dup as a prefix for the dir.

      And then there is the way Vista handles the Views when you open the directories. That alone is worth stringing up those morons who coded that garbage.

      I hope Bill Gates (ret) enjoys giving away all his hard earned money. I hope Google puts him out of business.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    i have vista 64 on my laptop. I havent had any issues other than firefox occasionally crashing
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      i have vista 64 on my laptop. I havent had any issues other than firefox occasionally crashing
      You might as well say that you have solaris, and have no problems. EITHER may be true, but you EXPECT 64 bit software to be less compatible, and it is. That means you are less likely to run a lot, and the stuff is more likely to work.

      HECK, VISTA with only the software it comes with and only some of the latest M/S vista software will work fine. But microsoft got its foot in the door by unifying systems. They knocked OS/2 out because it wasn't fully windows compatible. They knocked out the windows like linux because people were more use to windows. NOW that those competitors are all but gone, they are combining the worst of windows with the worst of OS/2! SURE, they put a LOUSY fancy gui on it(worst of gem), and they tried to move people over to it(worst of M/S). So WHERE is the problem??????

      Well, forget about the fact that some invested THOUSANDS into software and some is customized or not sold anymore. FORGET that companies require special programs that could hurt employment if you can't run them. There ARE some programs, such as that VPN I use, that M/S couldn't copy, etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I think a lot of the problems people are getting center around memory. Vista is a memory hog and needs a good amount to run. I probably work on 10-15 vista machines a day and the best config seem to be 4 gig (and up for the 64 machines). But if you're trying to run vistan on a gig of ram and then you probably shouldn't wonder why stuff crashes and everything chugs when you fire up photoshop, illustrator, and a handful of other programs on top of whtever else is in your startup

    There are some programs that dont run in vista. That's not vista's fault, that the fault of the developer of the program thats failing. Just like the hardware issues that people were having and blaming on vista. If your hardware doesnt support vista, its not vistas fault, its the hardware manufacturers fault.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I think a lot of the problems people are getting center around memory. Vista is a memory hog and needs a good amount to run. I probably work on 10-15 vista machines a day and the best config seem to be 4 gig (and up for the 64 machines). But if you're trying to run vistan on a gig of ram and then you probably shouldn't wonder why stuff crashes and everything chugs when you fire up photoshop, illustrator, and a handful of other programs on top of whtever else is in your startup

      There are some programs that dont run in vista. That's not vista's fault, that the fault of the developer of the program thats failing. Just like the hardware issues that people were having and blaming on vista. If your hardware doesnt support vista, its not vistas fault, its the hardware manufacturers fault.
      None of my computers have less than 4g RAM, including my VISTA. Since VISTA is an operating system, I think it is critically important to work with developers in creating and upgrading their products. Do you not think that ALL developers want their software working smoothly on VISTA? Of course they do.

      I certainly do not buy your argument that its the developers fault, when problems are so widespread among 3rd party software. It seems to me quite the opposite of your point when a software company all of a sudden has to revamp and deal with a sub-par OS. I am partners with a program developer and they basically had to start from scratch to get a VISTA version working, and to this day causes them the most work with updates.

      No sir, Microsoft needs developers as much as developers need a stable, high performance OS to design upon. Microsoft simply chooses to be too arrogant at times to foster these relationships.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
        Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

        None of my computers have less than 4g RAM, including my VISTA. Since VISTA is an operating system, I think it is critically important to work with developers in creating and upgrading their products. Do you not think that ALL developers want their software working smoothly on VISTA? Of course they do.

        I certainly do not buy your argument that its the developers fault, when problems are so widespread among 3rd party software. It seems to me quite the opposite of your point when a software company all of a sudden has to revamp and deal with a sub-par OS. I am partners with a program developer and they basically had to start from scratch to get a VISTA version working, and to this day causes them the most work with updates.

        No sir, Microsoft needs developers as much as developers need a stable, high performance OS to design upon. Microsoft simply chooses to be too arrogant at times to foster these relationships.
        No, i dont think that all developers want their hardware OR their software to work well with vista. Why? upsell.

        Look at creative labs sound card. You can probably still find remenants of the battle in the creative labs forum. When vista first came out there were some older creative labs cards that didnt get updated drivers for vista. Creative labs was told about it multiple times through their developer forums, but no drivers came. Finally the user base created its own drivers and started distributing them through the forums. Creative labs immediately removed them, and slapped them with a cease and desist order. Their official response was that while there weren't any driver support for these older cards, there would be/is for the newer hardware.

        Microsoft doesnt need to do anything. They have the o.s. Its their playground, if you want to play you come to them, they dont come to you.
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        • Profile picture of the author seasoned
          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          No, i dont think that all developers want their hardware OR their software to work well with vista. Why? upsell.
          GOD how STUPID! Cisco made a sale to a company I am working with. Had a few more used their product, we would likely have AVOIDED their product because it used TAPI, and M/S disabled that in VISTA! with one computer, I almost returned it because of such a problem.

          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          Look at creative labs sound card. You can probably still find remenants of the battle in the creative labs forum. When vista first came out there were some older creative labs cards that didnt get updated drivers for vista. Creative labs was told about it multiple times through their developer forums, but no drivers came. Finally the user base created its own drivers and started distributing them through the forums. Creative labs immediately removed them, and slapped them with a cease and desist order. Their official response was that while there weren't any driver support for these older cards, there would be/is for the newer hardware.
          Though TECHNICALLY creation of such drivers may be deemed illegal(Under the "reverse engineering" clause in most such contracts), I bet they would have a hard time trying to get it to stand up in court. ALSO, creative DOES have competitors, so upgrades won't necessarily mean THEY get more business.

          Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

          Microsoft doesnt need to do anything. They have the o.s. Its their playground, if you want to play you come to them, they dont come to you.
          YEP! Some have moved to MACS! Some are moving to Linux! M/S really can't lay claim to much anymore. They are slowly but surely destroying every asset they had. According to several surveys(which are FAKE, since many systems start out with windows, and are reimaged, and linux and many other systems aren't tracked, and there are grey market versions of apples OS), so M/S shows MORE systems than they have, microsoft is currently losing 1% market share every 6 months. About 2/3rd of that is supposedly going to apple, with the remainder going to linux. Gartner says apples marketshare will double by 2011. Apple is getting harder and harder to ignore with smaller, faster, cheaper, lighter computers, more stores, and more marketshare. Meanwhile, M/S is playing THIS garbage.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      I think a lot of the problems people are getting center around memory. Vista is a memory hog and needs a good amount to run. I probably work on 10-15 vista machines a day and the best config seem to be 4 gig (and up for the 64 machines). But if you're trying to run vistan on a gig of ram and then you probably shouldn't wonder why stuff crashes and everything chugs when you fire up photoshop, illustrator, and a handful of other programs on top of whtever else is in your startup

      There are some programs that dont run in vista. That's not vista's fault, that the fault of the developer of the program thats failing. Just like the hardware issues that people were having and blaming on vista. If your hardware doesnt support vista, its not vistas fault, its the hardware manufacturers fault.
      My vista machine happens to be 4GB!!!

      And HOW is a developer supposed to figure out what M/S will decide to do a decade in the future, ESPECIALLY when it is against their interest and they said they wouldn't?

      As for hardware, vista should AT LEAST support popular features.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    You're preaching to the choir here. If you want to tell someone that can do something about it, i'd suggest starting at microsoft.com
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      You're preaching to the choir here. If you want to tell someone that can do something about it, i'd suggest starting at microsoft.com
      I DID! I even told Bill Gates. If I told my father to tell him, I don't think he would.
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  • Profile picture of the author brotherpaulmiller
    Yep, Vista sucks in my opinion.

    I recently spilled pop on my laptop with XP, so I borrowed my wife's laptop with Vista.

    And, when I went to change the administration privileges to get a certain program to work, it wiped out my files in the backup drive.

    I then ended up using recuva to get them back, but, of course, they were no longer in their file folders, so I had to sort thousands of files into new folders, which took several hours.

    I will never buy another computer that has Vista on it, ever again.

    Make it a great day!

    Brother Paul
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