Are Some Of Us Just Too Negative And Judgemental

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I was killing some time earlier (And a few brain cells) up in the MF...
Seeing the usual c_ _ p that is now common place a certain headline "What Is CPA?" drew my attention.

Thinking that it might be a guide or at least few bullet points answering the headline i opened the thread just to see NOTHING... All it was is what the title said, some knucklehead wanting to know what CPA was...

My first thought is always, damn this forum or IM in general attracts some really stupid people. But then i see some people actually taking the time to try and help the helpless ( Many with nothing to advertise)..

Are these people really this helpful and optimistic. never questioning motives, blindly believing what they read?

Does it make me a bad person, maybe, all i know is that i just don't have the patience to deal with people who are too lazy or stupid to help themselves.....

PS... Don't get me wrong, i will try my best to help if the person asking has demonstrated that they have done their homework and can ask legible targeted questions.
  • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
    Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

    I was killing some time earlier (And a few brain cells) up in the MF...
    Seeing the usual c_ _ p that is now common place a certain headline "What Is CPA?" drew my attention.

    Thinking that it might be a guide or at least few bullet points answering the headline i opened the thread just to see NOTHING... All it was is what the title said, some knucklehead wanting to know what CPA was...

    My first thought is always, damn this forum or IM in general attracts some really stupid people. But then i see some people actually taking the time to try and help the helpless ( Many with nothing to advertise)..

    Are these people really this helpful and optimistic. never questioning motives, blindly believing what they read?

    Does it make me a bad person, maybe, all i know is that i just don't have the patience to deal with people who are too lazy or stupid to help themselves.....

    PS... Don't get me wrong, i will try my best to help if the person asking has demonstrated that they have done their homework and can ask legible targeted questions.
    Interesting post. I actually enjoy troubleshooting people's computer and electronics setup problems etc, I am not an expert but know some basic principles and I like looking things up online to get the answer if I don't know it. Sometimes I am paid for this, sometimes not. I like the challenge regardless.

    You will notice how many people answer the I've got a computer problem threads here.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Iam the perpetual Optimist . Now will someone close this mo....f..... stupid arse waste of a Thread
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    • Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

      Interesting post. I actually enjoy troubleshooting people's computer and electronics setup problems etc, I am not an expert but know some basic principles and I like looking things up online to get the answer if I don't know it. Sometimes I am paid for this, sometimes not. I like the challenge regardless.

      You will notice how many people answer the I've got a computer problem threads here.
      It is a weird thing.

      Where is the ceilin' on bein' any kinda expert?

      Even if you are at the toppa your game, gotta figure the journey is not over.

      Ditto stuff at the other enda the scale.

      Noobiciousness is a bottomless absence of smarts, an' it is not up to the enlightened to diminish sense of ceilin' here.

      But, yeah, also people can be kinda frickin' stoopid.

      Gotta figure anyone askin' stuff here got some kinda internet knowledge, most basic factoid of which is, U can go search sh*t.

      I am negative an' judgemental on that ticket.

      Stoopid thing is, some noob appeals are persuadospiel gonna getcha chippin' in with the positive.If you can, gotta be the nipple gonna give suck, I guess.

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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        Interesting post. I actually enjoy troubleshooting people's computer and electronics setup problems etc, I am not an expert but know some basic principles and I like looking things up online to get the answer if I don't know it.
        I refer to Youtube/Google daily, it's amazing what you can learn especially on Youtube. There is very little that someone has not uploaded as a tutorial...

        And that's my point, if you want to learn something new it's easier now than ever before


        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Iam the perpetual Optimist . Now will someone close this mo....f..... stupid arse waste of a Thread
        I'm sure we don't always agree but that's a good quality to have Robert, i tend to see the worst and wait for someone to prove me wrong...
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

    I was killing some time earlier (And a few brain cells) up in the MF...
    Seeing the usual c_ _ p that is now common place a certain headline "What Is CPA?" drew my attention.

    Thinking that it might be a guide or at least few bullet points answering the headline i opened the thread just to see NOTHING... All it was is what the title said, some knucklehead wanting to know what CPA was...

    My first thought is always, damn this forum or IM in general attracts some really stupid people. But then i see some people actually taking the time to try and help the helpless ( Many with nothing to advertise)..

    Are these people really this helpful and optimistic. never questioning motives, blindly believing what they read?

    Does it make me a bad person, maybe, all i know is that i just don't have the patience to deal with people who are too lazy or stupid to help themselves.....

    PS... Don't get me wrong, i will try my best to help if the person asking has demonstrated that they have done their homework and can ask legible targeted questions.
    Ultimately, it depend on my mood at the time. Some days I read something someone posts
    and I'm like "wow...what a stupid f...".

    Other days I'll just help without a second thought about it.

    What gets old is helping out when you know deep down inside 99.99999%
    of the time the help goes in one ear and out the other and never gets used.

    One of my biggest pet peeves in life ... wasting my time. It damages my calm.

    In real life I see people asking questions with no real thought to the question.
    I mean if they just thought about there own question for 10 seconds they
    can answer it themselves... I see a LOT of that here.

    When I get one of those questions in real life, I give the offender the "dead eye" stare.
    I know it's a dick move, but inside I am laughing to myself as I watch them squirm.
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    • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      One of my biggest pet peeves in life ... wasting my time. It damages my calm.
      Ken... may I use that as my new sig? I feel your pain!

      As to the rest of your post... spot on! I had a client call me today and ask why her grandson's tablet was in "safe mode". Seriously?

      "How many times did you hit the power button?"
      "A few times I think"
      "Shut it off, reboot it and hit the power button just once"
      "Oh! It's back to normal!"

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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

        Ken... may I use that as my new sig? I feel your pain!

        As to the rest of your post... spot on! I had a client call me today and ask why her grandson's tablet was in "safe mode". Seriously?

        "How many times did you hit the power button?"
        "A few times I think"
        "Shut it off, reboot it and hit the power button just once"
        "Oh! It's back to normal!"

        This was the EASY part of my day!

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        I had to tell a customer how to scroll to read the full page on her computer.
        She'd had an awful time with her hotel reservation through one of the
        big name booking sites and wanted to know how to find hotels directly
        through their sites. LOL

        As for CPA, sometimes marketers/businesses just use the jargon assuming that everyone knows
        what it is. Like me a few years back with ERP software - I could not find a seller that explained
        what ERP is. Not one even did something like "Our ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) software
        beats the competition because..." (I've never worked for and "enterprise" level company.)

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Of course not, the guy with the hairpiece, is to blame for the current state of flatline posts?

          My pipe organ post was as thrilling as he**!

          But if l find concrete, 100% scientifically proven, factual, university evidence, that Claude's cat does eat all of the dunut crumbs at his store, ...l am sorry, nothing will hold me back from posting it?

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          • Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

            Of course not, the guy with the hairpiece, is to blame for the current state of flatline posts?

            My pipe organ post was as thrilling as he**!

            But if l find concrete, 100% scientifically proven, factual, university evidence, that Claude's cat does eat all of the dunut crumbs at his store, ...l am sorry, nothing will hold me back from posting it?

            There is a guy with a hairpiece?

            An' you posted your pipe organ?

            Sh*********t!

            What have I been doin' with my life all week?
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

              There is a guy with a hairpiece?

              An' you posted your pipe organ?

              Sh*********t!

              What have I been doin' with my life all week?
              Groan, should have stayed with pristine toilet updates?

              And hairpiece is as close as l can get to describing someone in politics, well, without being fired?

              But l am sure that new, exciting posts, like, "what did your cat do today" and "how to lose weight, in one easy step with a chainsaw" will crop up?

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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Khemosabi View Post

        Ken... may I use that as my new sig? I feel your pain!

        As to the rest of your post... spot on! I had a client call me today and ask why her grandson's tablet was in "safe mode". Seriously?

        "How many times did you hit the power button?"
        "A few times I think"
        "Shut it off, reboot it and hit the power button just once"
        "Oh! It's back to normal!"

        This was the EASY part of my day!

        ~ Theresa
        I don't know if you're serious or not, if you are ... sure.

        Other then my x- wife to the judge, I have never been quoted.
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        • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          I don't know if you're serious or not, if you are ... sure.

          Other then my x- wife to the judge, I have never been quoted.
          Thanks Ken!

          What you said, kind of stuck with me about my last year and half or so... time suckers. I think a lot of members here really want to help, but when it becomes so blatantly obvious that a person doesn't want help, has already made up their mind to never accept it and then cries out for help..... that circle of their attention getting... wrecks my calm!

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Hard call. It's a forum and people have all sorts of reasons they'd rather ask here where they know a few people and chat a little about it rather than just go search it. Sometimes there are ulterior motives, but sometimes the "go google it" answer or "how lazy can you get" feeling just aren't right for the OP.

    I ask a lot of tech questions in here. Probably could look it up (and sometimes do), but sometimes, because so many people know me and gear their answers to me, it's just easier to understand the answers I get here -- and I don't have to sift through mounds of irrelevant information to get to what I really want to know - yet if other questions come up, I can discuss them in the thread.

    Maybe I'm a little bit more tolerant of newbies because I was so severely retarded in the use of technology when I hit the forums a decade back - not only technology but all areas of IM or internet itself. I had to have someone explain what google was and did when I turned the computer on a week or so before landing in this place, for cripes sakes. I have areas of expertise and solid experience that I can help newbs with since I oriented my skills to the online arena........and have learned a lot here about other crap, too -- but am still basically, and always will be basically, a techno-moron. It's nice to be able to come in and discuss stuff instead of always being on google about these things.

    Asking general questions can be stupidity, it can be laziness - but it also can be a hunt for discussion about the issue at hand that you can't get from "searching" on google. I think what points out the hopelessly ignorant is when the questions are so general it becomes nonsensical to try to answer them at all.....and from what I see of those questions, later it turns out to be a subject that shows up in a sig file.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Many years ago a friend shared an interesting experience with me. He told an employee to take something to the post office and mail it. The employee, a grown man with children, asked how to do that. My friend asked him what he meant. The employee said he didn't know how to mail a letter. It was hard for my friend to even imagine that it was possible that a grown man had never been to the post office and mailed a letter.

    At first we both talked about how incredibly stupid this guy must be. But afterwards I thought through this situation asking myself how it was possible and I came to a different conclusion.

    Simple things like mailing a letter may be easy for us but we all started somewhere. The first time we went to mail a letter, I'm positive that almost 100% of us had to be told what to do: "go inside and look for the little slot that says Outgoing Mail and stick the envelope in the slot." Maybe we were 10 when our parents first asked us to mail the letter and since it's an easy concept to understand and to do, we then assume that everyone else knows. But we are all in different circumstances.

    There is a first time for everything whether it's brain surgery, installing WordPress, knowing who to contact at Facebook, changing spark plugs, or walking the dog. Googling that last term will get you a lot of sites explaining in X steps how to walk a dog so there are people out there that don't know how to.

    I love research and getting my own answers but the other day I asked a "stupid" grammar question - were vs. was because I was unclear even after trying to get the answer on my own.

    So Johnny sees an ad somewhere about making money from home. He goes to the sales letter and he sees that people are making big bucks with CPA. He is excited at the possibility of new income. He searches Google for what is a CPA. Google says it's a certified public accountant on its first page. Johnny was thinking the sales letter said he didn't need any education but all these sites say you need a degree and license.

    Johnny is confused at this so he comes here to ask. When he does, some try to help him out. Some of those have signatures and some don't. Some are negative and call him an idiot. Some tell him to RTFM (search Google) but that's what confused him in the first place.

    Are Some Of Us Just Too Negative And Judgemental
    Yes, in my opinion. This is different, however, than tough love that some dish out when they feel it is warranted. Many times when I do the tough love bit I have hope that this one can figure it out. Most of the time I'm wrong. But my hope in answering is that it might help someone out like Johnny. Does it get tiring, yes. However, I can control that by the threads I open and choose to respond to.

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      Simple things like mailing a letter may be easy for us but we all started somewhere. The first time we went to mail a letter, I'm positive that almost 100% of us had to be told what to do: "go inside and look for the little slot that says Outgoing Mail and stick the envelope in the slot." Maybe we were 10 when our parents first asked us to mail the letter and since it's an easy concept to understand and to do, we then assume that everyone else knows. But we are all in different circumstances.

      There is a first time for everything whether it's brain surgery, installing WordPress, knowing who to contact at Facebook, changing spark plugs, or walking the dog. Googling that last term will get you a lot of sites explaining in X steps how to walk a dog so there are people out there that don't know how to.
      Mark; Insightful and aware.

      I was wondering is someone would mention that we all ask questions that someone thinks are stupid.

      People in my store ask questions all day that are (to me) simple. But I think, "I wonder how many times I've asked a dumber question in a retail store?"

      You wouldn't believe the number of times someone asked something like "What does CRM mean?"...and I had to look it up myself. All of us start at the beginning.

      As an author, I get a question or two every day from someone who's read one of my books. I answer it, no matter how silly the question is.

      The only time I mind is when they ask me to do real work for free, because they read one of my books. Then, I just quote my hourly rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post


      Yes, in my opinion. This is different, however, than tough love that some dish out when they feel it is warranted. Many times when I do the tough love bit I have hope that this one can figure it out. Most of the time I'm wrong. But my hope in answering is that it might help someone out like Johnny. Does it get tiring, yes. However, I can control that by the threads I open and choose to respond to.

      Mark
      I don't buy the Tough Love Mantra here at WF. At least the people who claim that is what they are doing.

      Thats BS!!

      These "Tough Lovers" do not know hardly any of these people who they are administering the so called "Tough Love to.

      Trust me there is no Love here involved in any way, shape, or form !!

      Tough Love is what you do with people you know and care for.. i.e. children, family, co-workers. friends etc..etc...

      Let's make no mistake about this is not about Tough Love being implemented here at WF( for the most part at least there are exceptions of course).

      Its about Ego , its about being annoyed,and feeling good about yourself for talking harsh towards and denigrating others
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I don't buy the Tough Love Mantra here at WF. At least the people who claim that is what they are doing.

        Thats BS!!

        These "Tough Lovers" do not know hardly any of these people who they are administering the so called "Tough Love to.

        Tough Love is what you do with people you know and love... i.e. children, family, co-workers. friends etc..etc...

        Let's make no mistake about this is not about Tough Love being implemented here at WF( for the most part at least there are exceptions of course).

        Its about Ego , its about being annoyed,and feeling good about yourself for talking harsh towards and denigrating others

        It's not ego, it's reality check. Some of these people are clueless with life in general.

        Personally I won't sugarcoat my comments because it doesn't do anyone any good. I'm also like that offline.

        I want to help people but they have to meet me half way (common sense questions). Like the old saying: Help me, help you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        I think there is a difference between being direct but trying to do it in a positive way and being a jerk (or other suitable titles).

        Some here act like jerks as their SOP. Some are trolls and we know that trolls do what trolls do. But some seem to be genuinely good people but a lot more negative comes out than positive. Some see good in what they do but some just see the jerk side.

        I try to not be a jerk. I try to give the benefit of the doubt. I try to give people a chance.

        Some of the harshest things I've ever said are for those asking about how to make $X because they are broke and desperate but they have a signature claiming otherwise complete with plan and success guaranteed.

        Even then I try to not be a jerk about it but some direct questions may come out that way. I'll say something like "why not use the program in your signature or does that not work?" Then if they admit it doesn't work, I normally advise them to shut it down and find a way to do this the right way and most of the time will give them other pointers that hopefully help.

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        discrat;10594142]I don't buy the Tough Love Mantra here at WF. At least the people who claim that is what they are doing.

        Thats BS!!

        These "Tough Lovers" do not know hardly any of these people who they are administering the so called "Tough Love to.

        Tough Love is what you do with people you know and love... i.e. children, family, co-workers. friends etc..etc...

        Let's make no mistake about this is not about Tough Love being implemented here at WF( for the most part at least there are exceptions of course).

        Its about Ego , its about being annoyed,and feeling good about yourself for talking harsh towards and denigrating others
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

          I try to not be a jerk. I try to give the benefit of the doubt. I try to give people a chance.


          Ha, ha, you wouldn't say that on the SEO forum at about 3AM [EST]. That 3rd world crowd (India) will drive you nuts with the relentless crap they post. Thank you Freelancer.
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          • Profile picture of the author irawr
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Ha, ha, you wouldn't say that on the SEO forum at about 3AM [EST]. That 3rd world crowd (India) will drive you nuts with the relentless crap they post. Thank you Freelancer.
            I've started compiling a list of stupid questions that get asked in there and am actually going to get into the SEO niche.

            I have to come up with some kind of unique branding idea.

            Any Ideas?

            A few ideas I've kicked around:

            SEO4Newbs
            SEO4Tards
            SEO4ESL
            SEO4Bads
            SEO4Illiterate <-I would do videos

            Judging by the flow of borderline retarded questions asked here and on other popular forums, I really feel like this could be a big time emerging niche and I can now see why some worship Brain Dean as a god.

            Maybe that's what the internet really needs! A website where someone does videos, uses lots of entertaining things to keep the ADHD people engaged, and uses vocabulary at a 5th grade reading/speaking level explaining "difficult concepts" like DA/TF do not affect your ranking.

            Maybe don't even use the acronym "SEO" at all since maybe that is what is so confusing.

            "Your Google Rank, is determined by Google, not by Majestic or Moz." In a video with lots of bright colors, kids music, like a science show targeted to children.

            Edit: I realize this is off topic in off topic so I made a thread here:

            http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...o-website.html
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              Why do you think that is? Bad parenting, schooling or are they just used to being spoon fed everything via feeds and apps?
              I don't think it's one reason...and I think most people have an area in life where they don't know what to do or how to do it.
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              • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                I don't think it's one reason...and I think most people have an area in life where they don't know what to do or how to do it.
                We are rearranging out little breakfast bar at the hotel.
                We have two signs pointing to the silver colored tube on the wall that dispenses coffee cups.
                Over 95% of adults still cannot figure out where the cups are.
                Over 95% of the kids between about 8 and 15 years old figure out where the cups are.
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                • Profile picture of the author perryny
                  Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                  We are rearranging out little breakfast bar at the hotel.
                  We have two signs pointing to the silver colored tube on the wall that dispenses coffee cups.
                  Over 95% of adults still cannot figure out where the cups are.
                  Over 95% of the kids between about 8 and 15 years old figure out where the cups are.
                  I think this is a bit different, biz.

                  The adults have been trained long enough to look for the cups stacked on the counter next to the coffee machine. When they don't see them there, the first reaction is to assume and tell the nearest employee, "You're out of cups."

                  The kids are in a new environment and will enjoy exploring every inch of that breakfast bar.
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                  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
                    Originally Posted by perryny View Post

                    I think this is a bit different, biz.

                    The adults have been trained long enough to look for the cups stacked on the counter next to the coffee machine. When they don't see them there, the first reaction is to assume and tell the nearest employee, "You're out of cups."

                    The kids are in a new environment and will enjoy exploring every inch of that breakfast bar.
                    That's primarily true; however, the 5% of adults, and the kids, who figure it out on their own
                    indicates to me that there is some thinking, ability to figure things out, research, and ability to
                    plan by people that makes them more self-reliant - maybe better a better shot at being an entrepreneur.
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                    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
                      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

                      I don't buy the Tough Love Mantra here at WF. At least the people who claim that is what they are doing.

                      Thats BS!!

                      Its about Ego , its about being annoyed,and feeling good about yourself for talking harsh towards and denigrating others
                      Come on Robert, iv'e seen even you lose your patience with some of these cretans once in a while...

                      PS. And yes i am all about the EGO..... I use to torture little critters when i was a kid, i'm mean to the elderly and small children, i park in the handicapped spot, throw trash out of a moving car, cheat at monopoly, Oh and like talking trash to Newbies at WF (LOL)
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I don't buy the Tough Love Mantra here at WF. At least the people who claim that is what they are doing.

        Thats BS!!

        These "Tough Lovers" do not know hardly any of these people who they are administering the so called "Tough Love to.

        Tough Love is what you do with people you know and love... i.e. children, family, co-workers. friends etc..etc...

        Let's make no mistake about this is not about Tough Love being implemented here at WF( for the most part at least there are exceptions of course).

        Its about Ego , its about being annoyed,and feeling good about yourself for talking harsh towards and denigrating others
        First, I agree with you that "tough love" is really just for people you really love, or at least people you know well...that are making a mistake.

        But it isn't always ego.

        For example, when I see a bad argument (and I think the person is sincere), I have a compulsion to point it out, and offer a better argument.

        In my case, it isn't ego...it's a pathological need to correct bad arguments. No idea where it comes from. Intellectually, I know it isn't really helping...but I have the compulsion to explain anyway.

        A week or so ago, my wife's family came over for a visit. My brother-in-law is a wonderful man who has a superstition that he will never let go of.

        He mentioned in in casual conversation. I didn't say anything...but it was a real physical effort. I know my face got red, my brow furrowed, and it took several minutes for it to subside. Weird.

        But it isn't ego. And most discussion I listen to are with people that know more about it than I do. But even then, if their logic has an obvious flaw...it really bugs me.
        In fact, even if all the facts are right as well as the conclusion (At least I assume they are right), if they arrived at their conclusion in a faulty argument...I still want to say something.

        Because of this, I sometimes defend an argument that I disagree with, because the attacker is being unfair....or their reasons are fuzzy.

        I just said ego wasn't involved..but my whole post is about me.

        That's hilarious.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I was killing some time earlier (And a few brain cells) up in the MF...
    Seeing the usual c_ _ p that is now common place a certain headline "What Is CPA?" drew my attention.

    Thinking that it might be a guide or at least few bullet points answering the headline i opened the thread just to see NOTHING... All it was is what the title said, some knucklehead wanting to know what CPA was...

    My first thought is always, damn this forum or IM in general attracts some really stupid people. But then i see some people actually taking the time to try and help the helpless ( Many with nothing to advertise)..

    Are these people really this helpful and optimistic. never questioning motives, blindly believing what they read?

    Does it make me a bad person, maybe, all i know is that i just don't have the patience to deal with people who are too lazy or stupid to help themselves.....

    PS... Don't get me wrong, i will try my best to help if the person asking has demonstrated that they have done their homework and can ask legible targeted questions.




    I have a gut feeling Warrior Forum is hiring India to post simple questions in order to keep the forum active.

    I'm seeing a lot of the one liner questions that can be answered with a Google search. Those same questions/threads/OPs don't get moderated.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I have a gut feeling Warrior Forum is hiring India to post simple questions in order to keep the forum active.

      I'm seeing a lot of the one liner questions that can be answered with a Google search. Those same questions/threads/OPs don't get moderated.
      No, 21% of WF traffic is now coming from India, so it is probably legit posters.

      I would say that the last controversial posts here have been done, and the safe, secure and dull chips will be the only ones the seagulls can go for now.

      Most if not all, of the other gulls, have got the message and flown away.


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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

        No, 21% of WF traffic is now coming from India, so it is probably legit posters.

        I think there's more to it than usual crappy comments/profiles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    It's amazing how little effort people will put into solving their own problems.

    Only a tiny portion will realize they can look something up on youtube or google and take the initiative. The rest want to be spoonfed. I've read many posts sharing stories of people getting mad if an expert doesn't personalize a response in PM and such.

    Most posts just aren't a fit, on topic or in the detail of the question asked, for me to answer. The times I see a post where it's clear the person has done some trial and error of their own, I really want to help. When I do respond, I'm also thinking, "Well, maybe there are 10 other people who would like to know the answer to this question, but are afraid to ask." So I'm not just writing for the OP.
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      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      It's amazing how little effort people will put into solving their own problems.

      Only a tiny portion will realize they can look something up on youtube or google and take the initiative. The rest want to be spoonfed. I've read many posts sharing stories of people getting mad if an expert doesn't personalize a response in PM and such.

      Most posts just aren't a fit, on topic or in the detail of the question asked, for me to answer. The times I see a post where it's clear the person has done some trial and error of their own, I really want to help. When I do respond, I'm also thinking, "Well, maybe there are 10 other people who would like to know the answer to this question, but are afraid to ask." So I'm not just writing for the OP.


      It gets dumb real quick on the SEO forum. They want to rank but can't do a Google search (what is backlink, what is SEO, what is brain, etc...). The few times there's a legit question it will usually get buried by the nonsense threads.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        It's amazing how little effort people will put into solving their own problems.
        Because many people weren't taught to solve problems or do research or be responsible for finding answers to their own questions.

        I think Mark's comments above are insightful.

        IN the past it wasn't hard to separate those people with the potential to succeed - the potential to be entrepreneurs and innovators. They were those who looked for answers instead of asking and waiting.

        Today many questions online seems to be along the lines of

        "I'm an entrepreneur, what do I do now?"
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Because many people weren't taught to solve problems or do research or be responsible for finding answers to their own questions.
          That thought never occurred to me. But it's pretty obvious really.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Because many people weren't taught to solve problems or do research or be responsible for finding answers to their own questions.

          I think Mark's comments above are insightful.

          IN the past it wasn't hard to separate those people with the potential to succeed - the potential to be entrepreneurs and innovators. They were those who looked for answers instead of asking and waiting.

          Today many questions online seems to be along the lines of

          "I'm an entrepreneur, what do I do now?"
          I hadn't seen Mark's post, so thanks for pointing it out.

          That is a valid point. Especially the bit about googling CPA and coming up with an accountant type as the definition.

          We do know, however, that many questions in the main forum are posted merely for sig views, or to get attention.

          My personal fave is the almost-daily version of Levesque's "Ask" technique...so tired of that one.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Because many people weren't taught to solve problems or do research or be responsible for finding answers to their own questions.
          Why do you think that is? Bad parenting, schooling or are they just used
          to being spoon fed everything via feeds and apps?

          I hate to sound like an old curmudgeon but dang ... I really don't understand
          the way millennials and younger think. - It's like they go out of the way to
          not think or figure out solutions to problems. I'm not talking
          about entrepreneurship, I'm taking about everything important.

          When I was growing up, there was no internet. We had books, libraries,
          a passion to learn and teachers who were willing to guide us...even when
          that meant making life uncomfortable for us...such as, learn this or fail.

          My parents were tough, but man o man - they sure taught me how
          to stand on my own two feet.

          Edit: I just remembered something... a few weeks ago I had to show
          a 28 year old how to fill out a check and a deposit slip.
          A college grad no less.

          Come on people... wth
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          • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
            Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

            Edit: I just remembered something... a few weeks ago I had to show
            a 28 year old how to fill out a check and a deposit slip.
            A college grad no less.

            Come on people... wth
            Why would you expect someone who has probably never been paid in any other way than electronic transfer to know how to do this stuff?

            People stopped getting paid by cash/cheque around thirty years ago. Even small mom/pop enterprises pay their staff by bank transfer.

            I haven't been into a bank branch this century. If I need cash, I get it from an ATM. I pay all my bills by EFT and buy my groceries/supplies using EFTPOS. The last time I got paid by cheque was in 1985.

            At 28 years old, the guy you're referring to probably does likewise.
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            • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
              Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

              Why would you expect someone who has probably never been paid in any other way than electronic transfer to know how to do this stuff?

              People stopped getting paid by cash/cheque around thirty years ago. Even small mom/pop enterprises pay their staff by bank transfer.

              I haven't been into a bank branch this century. If I need cash, I get it from an ATM. I pay all my bills by EFT and buy my groceries/supplies using EFTPOS. The last time I got paid by cheque was in 1985.

              At 28 years old, the guy you're referring to probably does likewise.
              But ... you know how to read. I don't think it takes much comprehension skills
              to figure how to fill out a check or a deposit slip.

              and ... that, is what he was lacking, the ability and/or the confidence to
              do it himself.

              To me, that is the problem, it wasn't him not knowing how to do it.
              Lots of crap I don't know how to do, so I don't hold lack of knowledge
              against anyone. Ever.

              What aggravates me is the lack of critical thinking and the inability or
              desire to put it to use.

              If, that makes any sense to you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                But ... you know how to read. I don't think it takes much comprehension skills
                to figure how to fill out a check or a deposit slip.

                and ... that, is what he was lacking, the ability and/or the confidence to
                do it himself.

                To me, that is the problem, it wasn't him not knowing how to do it.
                Lots of crap I don't know how to do, so I don't hold lack of knowledge
                against anyone. Ever.

                What aggravates me is the lack of critical thinking and the inability or
                desire to put it to use.

                If, that makes any sense to you.
                I want to tell you all a short story.

                In a small town in Ohio, there was a boy that had trouble in school, wasn't popular, and was socially withdrawn.

                He knew very little about how the world worked. One day, he was in the town drug store, buying film. And he asked the guy at the counter, "OK, how does the film go from the camera to get developed?"

                The guy at the counter laughed at the little boy. The little boy was hurt, and went home crying. He vowed, then and there that nobody would ever laugh at him again.

                Once he graduated, he went on his own, reading, studying, training...trying to be the best version of himself.

                And through enormous effort, one day he became the man he is today.

                Who was that man?






                Not me. It was Dan Riffle. And I was the guy behind the counter that laughed at him.

                Small world, eh?
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                • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post







                  Not me. It was Dan Riffle. And I was the guy behind the counter that laughed at him.

                  Small world, eh?
                  Ha ... you totally got me.


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              • Profile picture of the author discrat
                Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                But ... you know how to read. I don't think it takes much comprehension skills
                to figure how to fill out a check or a deposit slip.

                and ... that, is what he was lacking, the ability and/or the confidence to
                do it himself.

                To me, that is the problem, it wasn't him not knowing how to do it.
                Lots of crap I don't know how to do, so I don't hold lack of knowledge
                against anyone. Ever.

                What aggravates me is the lack of critical thinking and the inability or
                desire to put it to use.

                If, that makes any sense to you.
                Sorry Whatty,
                Im with Ken on this one.

                This is just unacceptable. Anyone with any kind of education should know how to write a check. Inexcusable. I don't care if he is a Millenial or whatever. If he hadn't ever been shown he should be able to deduce it. It's pretty straight forward

                Ive never used a record player and it's obsolete but I'm pretty sure I could figure it out on my own
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              • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
                Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                But ... you know how to read. I don't think it takes much comprehension skills
                to figure how to fill out a check or a deposit slip.

                and ... that, is what he was lacking, the ability and/or the confidence to
                do it himself.

                To me, that is the problem, it wasn't him not knowing how to do it.
                Lots of crap I don't know how to do, so I don't hold lack of knowledge
                against anyone. Ever.

                What aggravates me is the lack of critical thinking and the inability or
                desire to put it to use.

                If, that makes any sense to you.
                Yes that does make sense, however it's better to ask stupid questions than to make stupid mistakes.

                My brother is very mechanically minded, whereas I'm a complete doofus with stuff like that. I'm mathematically inclined and my brother is well, not so good.

                I laugh at him because he has to use a calculator to perform basic maths, whereas he laughs at me because I have to get him to help me if something goes wrong with my car.

                Kids of today have no idea where the phrase dialing a phone number comes from. People of my vintage remember the days where you stuck your finger in a hole in a wheel and physically moved the wheel. You had to repeat that process for every digit in the phone number. The 28 year old you're referring to would probably have to ask for help in using an old phone.

                The point is that kid had probably never encountered a cheque and has never even seen a deposit form before. Cut him some slack.

                I'm sure there are some situations in life where you have to ask for advice or help from someone. That someone is probably laughing at you for not being able to figure it out for yourself.
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                • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                  Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

                  Yes that does make sense, however it's better to ask stupid questions than to make stupid mistakes.
                  Hard to argue with that sentiment.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        It gets dumb real quick on the SEO forum. They want to rank but can't do a Google search (what is backlink, what is SEO, what is brain, etc...). The few times there's a legit question it will usually get buried by the nonsense threads.
        I saw that one this morning ("What is a backlink")...moved on.

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    I think there should be a realization in the differences in literacy levels and English language command between long term WF members and newer members from other countries.

    A friend of mine is a pilot who interviewed for jobs in China and other overseas jobs. China
    has a huge amount of their population that has had little or no education. Native Chinese
    cab drivers would call each other for help with translating and getting directions.
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    Whenever I hear someone say :"I don't know who Duke Nukem is".
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    When people do not just try to figure things out, I think fear of doing it wrong, or "breaking
    something" is a huge factor. Darn "helicopter parents".
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

      When people do not just try to figure things out, I think fear of doing it wrong, or "breaking
      something" is a huge factor. Darn "helicopter parents".
      I refuse to let my son fall into that trap.

      When he asks me why, I always ask him what he thinks...
      and he now knows he has to answer first before I tell him the answer.

      He knows he doesn't have to be correct (or even in the same ball park),
      but he has to try. - In earnest.

      He is very smart... so a lot of time his answers are very close to being correct.
      The fun part for me, is asking him HOW he came to the conclusion ....

      that is when I get to see he really is only 6 ...
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    The most patient person on the Forum is Big Frank.

    He loves to answer stupid questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      The most patient person on the Forum is Big Frank.

      He loves to answer stupid questions.
      Sorry. I just took a peek upstairs and have never seen such stupid questions since first arriving here. I don't understand it, at all. The answers aren't much better.

      I'm happy that I have become so lazy in retirement. I no longer have any patience for douchenozzlery and I refuse to participate.

      Each passing moment is more precious than the last. I'm going to be dead, soon. I never cared about anything before. I care about everything, now. I cared about everything before. I care about nothing now. A dichotomy wrapped in a conundrum - with a dollop of I really don't give a shit.

      You figure it out. I'm through trying.

      Cheers. - Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        You figure it out. I'm through trying.

        Cheers. - Frank
        I'm pretty sure that's why drugs exist
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          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          I'm pretty sure that's why drugs exist
          Been there, done that. Gave it up. It didn't really help. And don't say that I just didn't do enough drugs. You'd be wrong about that. lol

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            Been there, done that. Gave it up. It didn't really help. And don't say that I just didn't do enough drugs. You'd be wrong about that. lol

            Cheers. - Frank
            Whaaat? You can never do enough drugs!

            All kidding aside, I know what you mean about them not helping.
            I went through a serious depression during my divorce. Nothing helped.

            Looking in the mirror and taking responsibility... that was what finally did it for me.
            Everything else was just a mask.
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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Ha, ha, you wouldn't say that on the SEO forum at about 3AM [EST]. That 3rd world crowd (India) will drive you nuts with the relentless crap they post. Thank you Freelancer.
          Yes, Yukon, go and see the Alexa ranking for this forum and it is roughly 2277 visitors overall for popularity and 1022 or almost half is from India, groan.

          I won't mention the graph, too depressing.

          Best to rename it , IWF, or WIF?

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        • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          I'm pretty sure that's why drugs exist
          The world needs spongebob not more drugs.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

            The world needs spongebob not more drugs.
            Spongbob is the progeny of the best drugs one can buy.
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              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              Spongbob is the progeny of the best drugs one can buy.
              Yes, Go Ask Alice.
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              • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

                Yes, Go Ask Alice.
                Can't, she's too busy smoking a hookah with damn caterpillar again.

                - that's what happens when, ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all
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          • Profile picture of the author irawr
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            Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

            The world needs spongebob not more drugs.
            The world just needs a drug that's relatively safe and satisfies people's craving to escape reality for a reality short period of time without massive side effects.

            It would be really helpful to the world if that drug was also legal so people didn't have to worry about getting arrested for something that just helps them take their mind off their problems for an hour or two.

            I wonder if the world will ever find a drug like that.
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            • Originally Posted by irawr View Post

              The world just needs a drug that's relatively safe and satisfies people's craving to escape reality for a reality short period of time without massive side effects.

              It would be really helpful to the world if that drug was also legal so people didn't have to worry about getting arrested for something that just helps them take their mind off their problems for an hour or two.

              I wonder if the world will ever find a drug like that.
              Yeah, we could have nouveau opium dens an' stuff where people could go to imbibe these drugs safely.

              It would be like goin to the gym, only insteada watchin' heart rate stats soar, you'd watch 'em flatline -- then blink out for a day or so to float on a cloud of warmin' bliss.

              No employers an' loved ones would stand in your way -- they would join you in the Nirvanarium, jacked up to the same communal drip endorsed by the government an' the church.

              It would be the perfect way to chill out.

              But hey, for the time bein' guess we gotta stick to chocolate cake, alcohol, an' mutual genital massage.
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              • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
                Originally Posted by irawr View Post

                The world just needs a drug that's relatively safe and satisfies people's craving to escape reality for a reality short period of time without massive side effects.

                It would be really helpful to the world if that drug was also legal so people didn't have to worry about getting arrested for something that just helps them take their mind off their problems for an hour or two.

                I wonder if the world will ever find a drug like that.


                Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

                Yeah, we could have nouveau opium dens an' stuff where people could go to imbibe these drugs safely.

                It would be like goin to the gym, only insteada watchin' heart rate stats soar, you'd watch 'em flatline -- then blink out for a day or so to float on a cloud of warmin' bliss.

                No employers an' loved ones would stand in your way -- they would join you in the Nirvanarium, jacked up to the same communal drip endorsed by the government an' the church.

                It would be the perfect way to chill out.

                But hey, for the time bein' guess we gotta stick to chocolate cake, alcohol, an' mutual genital massage.
                But you will never get sick of giant Vodka, Gummybears?

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            • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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              Originally Posted by irawr View Post

              The world just needs a drug that's relatively safe and satisfies people's craving to escape reality for a reality short period of time without massive side effects.

              It would be really helpful to the world if that drug was also legal so people didn't have to worry about getting arrested for something that just helps them take their mind off their problems for an hour or two.

              I wonder if the world will ever find a drug like that.
              They have. It's called 'pot.' Consumed in moderation it is relatively harmless, temporarily cures 'whatever ails you' and will, over the next few years, be legal almost everywhere in the US, except in goober states.

              I smoked pot for 50 years. My only problem was smoking the best pot that money could by and never applying anything that would be remotely considered as moderation. I don't think that 'every waking moment' qualifies as 'moderation.'

              I could be wrong. I'm only pot-free for two and a half years and am still a bit foggy.

              Cheers. - Frank
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            Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

            The world needs spongebob not more drugs.
            I watched Sponge Bob while on drugs. Not much of a help.

            Cheers. - Frank
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      Originally Posted by Dan Riffle View Post

      Holy shit! Sling Blade is 20 years old. I'm officially one step closer to the grave.
      At last, some really good news.
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