Olive Oil Is Not Good For You

sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

I'll take that advice and file it in the same file cabinet as the eggs, milk, coffee are bad for you advice.

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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

I'll take that advice and file it in the same file cabinet as the eggs, milk, coffee are bad for you advice.

Well, Olive Oil is either 14 percent saturated fat or not and I'm sure that can be looked up.

As for eggs and milk, eggs have protein and other nutrients so so beef about them. Robert Mccarthy, the Brit who was chained to a radiator in an arab country for 5 years was fed nothing but hard boiled eggs. and came out of it physically in good shape.

I only drink fat free milk too, can't stand the full cream stuff, calcium in milk though. coffee, well let's not discuss.

I thought yes, the Mediterranean diet was good for you and people lived longer, turns out it was entirely due to the fact that it consisted of a lot of fresh fruit and veg and fish, not in any way the use of olive oil to cook the food in and put on salads.

Just as he says, a flavour enhancement like salt and sugar. Now that makes me want to go down to the local Greek restaurant and dip my bread in their Olive Oil with herbs and garlic dish. How nice that tastes.

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Frank Donovan

8 years ago

Mark, at the risk of prolonging today's OT diet theme, I should point out that the guy in the video is unfortunately perpetuating the myth that all saturated fat is bad, and he's using some obscure study from over 20 years ago to do so.

The only helpful advice he gives about olive oil is that you shouldn't use it for high temperature cooking. Otherwise, it's just more of the outdated nutritional "received wisdom" that's still hanging around like the smell of yesterday's biryani.
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irawr Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

I should point out that the guy in the video is unfortunately perpetuating the myth that all saturated fat is bad

I'm not going to re-watch the video but I don't think he said that.

It is what it is.

I'm not in the saturated fats are poison camp myself and I don't personally consider that doctor to be healthy. He looks grossly underweight and has very little muscle mass. If he went to go pickup a 50lb box, his back might snap in half and I don't personally consider that to be healthy.
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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Mark, at the risk of prolonging today's OT diet theme, I should point out that the guy in the video is unfortunately perpetuating the myth that all saturated fat is bad, and he's using some obscure data from over 20 years ago to do so.

The only helpful advice he gives about olive oil is that you shouldn't use it for high temperature cooking. Otherwise, it's just more of the outdated nonsense that seems to still hang around like the smell of yesterday's biriani.
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How dare you criticize a Doctor.

And the movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" confirms his findings.

I think all he is pointing out is that avoiding too much salt, sugar and fat in your diet is generally a good thing and that Olive Oil has a lot of saturated fat. He strongly mentioned, not to pour it on your salad. Those are facts and don't go out of date. If you can point me to a recent change of opinion by the medical profession that saturated fat is good for you then please provide a link.

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irawr Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

How dare you criticize a Doctor.

He will not survive the upcoming Trump riots, trust me. He's going to get mowed down.
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Frank Donovan

8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I think all he is pointing out is that avoiding too much salt, sugar and fat in your diet is generally a good thing and that Olive Oil has a lot of saturated fat. He strongly mentioned, not to pour it on your salad. Those are facts and don't go out of date. If you can point me to a recent change of opinion by the medical profession that saturated fat is good for you then please provide a link.

Mark, they're not facts. Simply stating that salts and fats are BAD (I'll give you sugar) without heavily qualifying that statement, leads to false understandings and wrongly-held beliefs. When even the AMA is dragging its heels in accepting the recent scientific evidence disproving much of what nutritionists have held to be sacred, you might have to wait a little longer for the rest of the medical profession to catch up. In the meantime, I recommend you start with any of the books written by Gary Taubes. I suspect you'll find them eye-opening, as I did.
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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Mark, they're not facts. Simply stating that salts and fats are BAD (I'll give you sugar) without heavily qualifying that statement, leads to false understandings and wrongly-held beliefs. When even the AMA is dragging its heels in accepting the recent scientific evidence disproving much of what nutritionists have held to be sacred, you might have to wait a little longer for the rest of the medical profession to catch up. In the meantime, I recommend you start with any of the books written by Gary Taubes. I suspect you'll find them eye-opening, as I did.
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I will say then, what is too much? He, If I recall, was saying that a much lower intake of saturated fat was recommended. All these things we eat anyway, all go as part of our diet. However, they all appear in our food diet naturally, we get all we need, we do not need to pour more sugar and salt and fat on to enhance the flavour, but we do, restaurants do big time. And why, it's because we are used to it, get brought up on it and miss and crave it when it's not there. I am just as guilty as anyone else in loving the stuff.

I remember seeing a documentary about a youth who ventures out from a community to plead the case for healthy eating. The community eat mostly vegetarian and fruit with no additives or enhancements. Of course the inevitable happened, he tried a Mc'donalds and honked it up 5 minutes later.

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irawr

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Donovan

Mark, they're not facts. Simply stating that salts and fats are BAD (I'll give you sugar) without heavily qualifying that statement, leads to false understandings and wrongly-held beliefs. When even the AMA is dragging its heels in accepting the recent scientific evidence disproving much of what nutritionists have held to be sacred, you might have to wait a little longer for the rest of the medical profession to catch up. In the meantime, I recommend you start with any of the books written by Gary Taubes. I suspect you'll find them eye-opening, as I did.
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Full Definition of fact

1 : a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b : crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
2 archaic : performance, doing
3 : the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5 : a piece of information presented as having objective reality

in fact

How are you a marketer and not understand the definition of the word: fact.

I don't agree with everything the guy said, but everything he said is factual.

Is he using facts in a way that misrepresents the truth? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

Stop interpreting the message he is conveying and listen to the words he's using. You're attacking a guy who's advice is not bad.

Can fats be bad? Yes they can be when over consumed.
Can salts be bad? Yes they can be when over consumed or you have certain medical conditions such as high blood pressure.
Is sugar bad? I think everybody in this day and age agrees refined sugar consumed in excess is bad for you. Minus the handful of crazy people that think sugar is a slimming food.

Also, Gary Taubes (if I recall correctly) has historically been ahead of the science, that doesn't mean he's right.

I'm pretty sure you mentioned that I stated some "misinformation" in the other thread, yet what I said lines up with Gary believes, so... Yeah... Weight loss isn't as simple as calorie intake. Half the battle when trying to lose weight is controlling your hormones. When you stop believing that your weight is controlled by the laws of thermodynamics and realize that what's more important is that you are controlled by your brain, it gets much easier to manipulate your weight, anyway you want to.

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Frank Donovan 8 years ago

Originally Posted by irawr

How are you a marketer and not understand the definition of the word: fact.

What have facts got to do with marketing?

I don't agree with everything the guy said, but everything he said is factual.

Not everything. I've already mentioned the bit about Greece, but he also claims there's some officially endorsed health limit of 7% saturated fat. And he talks about the saturated fat content of olive oil without mentioning that it's mainly monounsaturated fat - which doesn't "stiffen the walls of the arteries" as he states.

However, I wasn't specifically referring to those factual errors and omissions, but to Mark's comments about salt and fat being the bad guys. Merely stating that as a bald fact is, at best, misleading and among other things, serves to stoke our obsession with low fat products when trying to lose weight. It's also the kind of thinking that led nutritionists to confidently claim that margarine was healthier than butter - that "low-fat spread is good" legacy is still with us to some degree today.

The science of nutrition is complicated to say the least. Any comprehensive study has to take in elements of anatomy and physiology, chemical and metabolic processes, and several other disciplines including natural history and evolutionary biology. It's not a subject we're likely to be able to discuss in enough detail on this forum, and not just because of the politics involved in food production and distribution. On a basic chemical level, we'd have to define what we mean by salt and fat. And yes, the common table salt we're familiar with is close to toxic, but only because it's had all its essential minerals stripped out by industrial processing, and harmful additives plugged in for good measure. But salt in its natural state is vital to life, as are fats.
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Frank Donovan 8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

And the movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" confirms his findings.

By the way, I know you were joking, but Greece isn't even in the top 10 most obese European nations.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/dat...ries-in-europe

So he doesn't even get a simple-to-verify statement like that right.
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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

Well, Olive Oil is either 14 percent saturated fat or not and I'm sure that can be looked up.

As for eggs and milk, eggs have protein and other nutrients so so beef about them. Robert Mccarthy, the Brit who was chained to a radiator in an arab country for 5 years was fed nothing but hard boiled eggs. and came out of it physically in good shape.

I only drink fat free milk too, can't stand the full cream stuff, calcium in milk though. coffee, well let's not discuss.

I thought yes, the Mediterranean diet was good for you and people lived longer, turns out it was entirely due to the fact that it consisted of a lot of fresh fruit and veg and fish, not in any way the use of olive oil to cook the food in and put on salads.

Just as he says, a flavour enhancement like salt and sugar. Now that makes me want to go down to the local Greek restaurant and dip my bread in their Olive Oil with herbs and garlic dish. How nice that tastes.

I couldn't watch the video but didn't really want to either way. I don't care what one doctor says about olive oil and milk, eggs and coffee were all at one time on the ooooohhhh ... this is bad for you list.

Many of the commercial oils on the shelves, with the exception of olive oil and some others, are made with GMO crops, which I have eliminated from my diet to the largest degree possible. No one said olive oil alone, as part of a Mediterranean diet, was a secret little health bomb, and no one ever said to drown all your foods in it.

The Mediterraean Diet is about unprocessed, fresh foods ... not just using olive oil. I follow it and have gone from a diagnosis of prediabetes to no prediabetes. I eliminated processed foods from my diet and use olive oil as my oil of choice, and eat a lot of fresh vegetables, as well as fish. I also eat other meats, but eat more fish than red meat.

Non GMO Guide to Oils

Unless labeled explicitly, corn, soybean, cottonseed, and canola oils produced in North America almost certainly contain genetically modified products. Choose pure olive, coconut, sesame, sunflower, safflower, almond, grapeseed, and peanut oils.

I choose olive oil for the flavor.

About the Fat in Olive Oil from the Mayo Clinic

The main type of fat found in all kinds of olive oil is monounsaturated fatty acids (MUFAs). MUFAs are actually considered a healthy dietary fat. If your diet replaces saturated and trans fats with unsaturated fats such as MUFAs and polyunsaturated fats (PUFAs), you may gain certain health benefits.

MUFAs and PUFAs may help lower your risk of heart disease by improving related risk factors. For instance, MUFAs have been found to lower your total cholesterol and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels. MUFAs may also help normalize blood clotting. And some research shows that MUFAs may also benefit insulin levels and blood sugar control, which can be especially helpful if you have type 2 diabetes.

But even healthier fats like olive oil are high in calories, so use them only in moderation. Choose MUFA-rich foods such as olive oil in place of other fatty foods — particularly butter and stick margarine — not in addition to them. And remember that you can't make unhealthy foods healthier simply by adding olive oil to them.

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AnniePot 8 years ago

Originally Posted by lanfear63

I only drink fat free milk too, can't stand the full cream stuff, calcium in milk though. coffee, well let's not discuss.

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  Why Milk is Bad for You
  
  Woman promoting Veganism and Almond Milk?
  
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  Originally Posted by lanfear63
  
  Woman promoting Veganism and Almond Milk?
  
  ... and a book, and an ebook, and is apparently anti-cooking too (fully raw). That's alright. I suppose I could get used to raw meat, as I've eaten raw fish.
  
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  Originally Posted by sbucciarel
  
  ... and a book, and an ebook, and is apparently anti-cooking too (fully raw). That's alright. I suppose I could get used to raw meat, as I've eaten raw fish.
  
  Maybe that website hasn't discovered fire yet.
  
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  Jill Carpenter 8 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by sbucciarel
  
  ... and a book, and an ebook, and is apparently anti-cooking too (fully raw). That's alright. I suppose I could get used to raw meat, as I've eaten raw fish.
  
  I can eat all kinds of sushi all day.
  
  And have had steak tartar. Actually I probably like it better than a tough cooked steak.
  
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David Beroff

8 years ago

I'm sure Popeye might have a thing or two to say about this!

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irawr

Banned 8 years ago

Everything he said is accurate.

He never said avoid it like the plague, he just said don't pour it all over everything.

Oil breakdown:

Fat Composition in different Cooking Oils

You can clearly see that olive oil is much healthier the butter or lard. The doctor cherry picked facts quite a bit, so. When he talks about your arteries/blood, he doesn't do a comparison to anything else. People obviously evolved with meat in their diet, so vilifying saturated fat is a bit of a stretch. Is it a good idea to massively over consume it? Probably not. Drinking a gallon or eating a pound of anything on that chart is a bad idea. I think people get the wrong idea about fats/oils and think that because one is "healthier" that means they should go out of their way to consume it. No, you shouldn't, I think that's his point.

I personally don't really eat salad. Iceberg lettuce doesn't really have much nutrition and I have no problem eating a bunch of vegetables. You can just eat them separately, it's really not bad. This avoids the temptation to put things like cheese and dressing on your vegetables. If you don't like vegetables here's a tip: eat them first, don't allow yourself to eat anything else until your vegetables are gone.

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lanfear63

8 years ago

Originally Posted by irawr

Everything he said is accurate.

He never said avoid it like the plague, he just said don't pour it all over everything.

Oil breakdown:

Fat Composition in different Cooking Oils

You can clearly see that olive oil is much healthier the butter or lard. The doctor cherry picked facts quite a bit, so. When he talks about your arteries/blood, he doesn't do a comparison to anything else. People obviously evolved with meat in their diet, so vilifying saturated fat is a bit of a stretch. Is it a good idea to massively over consume it? Probably not. Drinking a gallon or eating a pound of anything on that chart is a bad idea. I think people get the wrong idea about fats/oils and think that because one is "healthier" that means they should go out of their way to consume it. No, you shouldn't, I think that's his point.

I personally don't really eat salad. Iceberg lettuce doesn't really have much nutrition and I have no problem eating a bunch of vegetables. You can just eat them separately, it's really not bad. This avoids the temptation to put things like cheese and dressing on your vegetables. If you don't like vegetables here's a tip: eat them first, don't allow yourself to eat anything else until your vegetables are gone.

The wife does this, is it some quirk American thing. Cooks several items to make up a plate meal and then sits down and eats the accessory bits like the veggies before the meat or main dish is ready. I like it all on one plate to eat together. Any other people here do that?

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Princess Balestra

8 years ago

What about usin' it on your skin?

Take that, science.

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PaulSch

8 years ago

As an olive farmer, my considered opinion is that this gentleman should be hung, drawn and quartered and then drowned in a vat of olive oil.

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Princess Balestra 8 years ago

Originally Posted by PaulSch

As an olive farmer, my considered opinion is that this gentleman should be hung, drawn and quartered and then drowned in a vat of olive oil.

That is so exotic.

Gotta tellya, my hatred of lettuce is matched only by my love of olives.

I would love for Benedict Cumberbatch to loft your oily globes of deliciousness into my mouth with a deftly fingered cricket bat.

Plooonk! Whssssh! Mllyaaah!

Bring me fruits of the Mediterranean to fuel my megalomaniain'.

Taggo: your donuts are as nuthin' to me now!

To hell with the carbs: gonna dig out some olives an' artichokes from my refrigerator later an' mebbe practice a little breaststroke.
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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

He eats canned soup at home because it's not salt, it's sodium.

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yukon

Banned 8 years ago

We go through at least 3 gallons of milk a week. It might be cheaper to just buy the damn cow.

BTW, I doubt 2% milk depletes bone calcium.

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HeySal

8 years ago

Even beneficial fats can turn bad when cooked on high heats. I think the most heat resistant fat is coconut oil.

What I really watch about olive oil is that a lot of it is fraudulently labeled and regular crap oils have been mixed into it. There's a lot of that going on in import oil. If the oil doesn't have a fairly strong, distinctive fruity smell, it might not be the 100% oil you thought you were buying and outside of lab analysis you'll never know what trash you're ingesting.

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sbucciarel

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

Even beneficial fats can turn bad when cooked on high heats. I think the most heat resistant fat is coconut oil.

What I really watch about olive oil is that a lot of it is fraudulently labeled and regular crap oils have been mixed into it. There's a lot of that going on in import oil. If the oil doesn't have a fairly strong, distinctive fruity smell, it might not be the 100% oil you thought you were buying and outside of lab analysis you'll never know what trash you're ingesting.

Peanut oil has a much higher flash point than coconut, as do several others (like avocado oil). There's a chart here.

Smoke Point of Oils | Baseline of Health

You do have to read the label when you buy olive oil as there are manufacturers that try to scam you into believing you're getting olive oil as they load it up with a mixture of oils. Mine is 100% olive oil.

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HeySal

8 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Peanut oil has a much higher flash point than coconut, as do several others (like avocado oil). There's a chart here.

Smoke Point of Oils | Baseline of Health

You do have to read the label when you buy olive oil as there are manufacturers that try to scam you into believing you're getting olive oil as they load it up with a mixture of oils. Mine is 100% olive oil.

I"ve got avocado oil but never have used it for cooking. Peanut oil - deadly to me so I would have NEVER had that information in a million years. LOL.

You just saved me some research if I ever want to use my avocado oil for cooking. Actually - I don't use much other than coconut or organic butter.......and once in awhile organic lard, so have just researched the ones I use myself. I find food sticks to the pan with coconut oil sometimes though, so I might just try that avocado oil some time. The taste wouldn't be offsetting.

I do know flax should never be heated and off the top of my head I can't remember if hemp is okay for high heat or just low heat. Hemp is spendy so I don't use it much for cooking oil.

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sbucciarel Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

I"ve got avocado oil but never have used it for cooking. Peanut oil - deadly to me so I would have NEVER had that information in a million years. LOL.

Long time ago I used Peanut Oil in my job as manager of an Arthur Treacher's Fish and Chips. They used it for two reasons ... high flash point and free flowing, meaning that most of the oil flowed out of the food after cooking so the food was never greasy. Didn't really have a peanuty flavor either. Quite good, but if you're allergic, I'm sure it would be deadly.
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pdishman

8 years ago

Healthy saturated fats are good for you...
Saturated Fats are Good for You
Note that at times in the article you have to scroll down to find the rest of the article :-)

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