How Batman Can Beat Superman Explained Scientifically

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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    In the comics, Batman is always the most dangerous man in the room. Even when Superman is there. It's because Batman plans for every contingency, every possible outcome. That's nonsense of course, but in the comics, them's the rules.

    Added later; One way for Batman to kill Superman is that in one comic, Batman said he could tell Superman a sentence that could make Superman commit suicide.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      In the comics, Batman is always the most dangerous man in the room. Even when Superman is there. It's because Batman plans for every contingency, every possible outcome. That's nonsense of course, but in the comics, them's the rules.

      Added later; One way for Batman to kill Superman is that in one comic, Batman said he could tell Superman a sentence that could make Superman commit suicide.
      I bet that sentence was never revealed so a few contenders..

      "Lois Lane likes girls"

      "Lana Lang's a Tranny"

      Or the most likely. "I intercepted your mail order delivery of underpants and laced them with Red Kryptonite" To be said with a strategic punch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      One way for Batman to kill Superman is that in one comic, Batman said he could tell Superman a sentence that could make Superman commit suicide.
      I bet Batman uses a variation of the funniest joke in the world:

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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      In the comics, Batman is always the most dangerous man in the room. Even when Superman is there. It's because Batman plans for every contingency, every possible outcome. That's nonsense of course, but in the comics, them's the rules.

      Added later; One way for Batman to kill Superman is that in one comic, Batman said he could tell Superman a sentence that could make Superman commit suicide.
      Actually, even if all that were true in the video, in the trailer, Batman's mouth and surrounding area are exposed. A well aimed heat ray from Superman's eyes from a distance would burn his head to a crisp even if it could not penetrate his suit.

      Superman's ability to freeze things with his breath from a distance. would also be a game over scenario as it would cool the electronics in his suit.

      So Batman would have to have some sort of faceplate that quickly comes down or some sort of force field to protect that area, not to mention the eyes, and be full of antifreeze.
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by lanfear63 View Post

        So Batman would have to have some sort of faceplate that quickly comes down or some sort of force field to protect that area, not to mention the eyes, and be full of antifreeze.
        Doesn't he have a Batfaceplate in his utility belt?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      Added later; One way for Batman to kill Superman is that in one comic, Batman said he could tell Superman a sentence that could make Superman commit suicide.
      "You exist in the DC universe."
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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    I thought religious topics were forbidden here.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      I thought religious topics were fobidden here.
      I don't know it's a toss up. Being at a week long Benny Hinn revival or watching a marathon of Batman- Superman sagas.

      With either case, one word comes to mind... BORING
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        I don't know it's a toss up. Being at a week long Benny Hinn revival or watching a marathon of Batman- Superman sagas.

        With either case, one word comes to mind... BORING
        In a related story..

        At a seminar I gave years ago, a young lady had to attend in a wheel chair, because she had a severe leg break.
        A year later, she attended another seminar I was putting on.

        I told her, "Last year, everyone knew you as the lady in the wheel chair. I should get a wheel chair, have you wheeled in to the front row, and in the middle of my seminar I could say you followed my teachings...and then create a miracle, having you get out of the chair and walk."

        She said she would do it. But I knew that it would really really anger some people. But we thought the idea was hilarious.
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        • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          In a related story..

          At a seminar I gave years ago, a young lady had to attend in a wheel chair, because she had a severe leg break.
          A year later, she attended another seminar I was putting on.

          I told her, "Last year, everyone knew you as the lady in the wheel chair. I should get a wheel chair, have you wheeled in to the front row, and in the middle of my seminar I could say you followed my teachings...and then create a miracle, having you get out of the chair and walk."

          She said she would do it. But I knew that it would really really anger some people. But we thought the idea was hilarious.
          I think the miracle more appropriate to point out was that she attended one of your seminars twice.
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        • Profile picture of the author discrat
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          In a related story..

          At a seminar I gave years ago, a young lady had to attend in a wheel chair, because she had a severe leg break.
          A year later, she attended another seminar I was putting on.

          I told her, "Last year, everyone knew you as the lady in the wheel chair. I should get a wheel chair, have you wheeled in to the front row, and in the middle of my seminar I could say you followed my teachings...and then create a miracle, having you get out of the chair and walk."

          She said she would do it. But I knew that it would really really anger some people. But we thought the idea was hilarious.
          I confronted Benny Hinn Followers in the past and would ask if he could cure all his disabled attendees at his Revivals why would he not go to every hospital in America and do the same.

          They never could answer.

          When he got caught staying in $3K a night hotels ...well I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

          My Uncle and his second wife went to one of his revivals in Nashville. During his preaching they had several offerings. But it was different from most offerings . They actually had Benny Hinn workers go around with mobile Credit Card machines around the 10K plus arena and got people to pull out there CC to give donations to his Ministry.

          Unbelievable.

          Desperate people doing senseless things
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Ok. So here's what I don't understand. I've seen all the Batman movies and the Superman movies. They are both superheros and fought the bad guys. When and why did they become enemies?
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Ok. So here's what I don't understand. I've seen all the Batman movies and the Superman movies. They are both superheros and fought the bad guys. When and why did they become enemies?
      On the 25th March, all will be revealed. I will be there and so shalt you, it's the law.

      Early rumours are that Batman was operating a Ponzi Scheme and Superman got ripped off.
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    • Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Ok. So here's what I don't understand. I've seen all the Batman movies and the Superman movies. They are both superheros and fought the bad guys. When and why did they become enemies?
      Yeah, they shoulda done a Brokeback Mountain on this one.

      "Thrown together by a shared love of rubbing villains up the wrong way, two sexy, underwear-flaunting hunks find romance in a made-up city."
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      • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
        Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

        Yeah, they shoulda done a Brokeback Mountain on this one.

        "Thrown together by a shared love of rubbing villains up the wrong way, two sexy, underwear-flaunting hunks find romance in a made-up city."
        You should've prefaced that post with SPOILER ALERT!!!!
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Ok. So here's what I don't understand. I've seen all the Batman movies and the Superman movies. They are both superheros and fought the bad guys. When and why did they become enemies?
      As in all cases when men cannot get along a woman had to be involved.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        I bet Batman uses a variation of the funniest joke in the world:
        Reminds me of this:

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        • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          Reminds me of this:

          Gloomy Sunday - The Hungarian Suicide Song - YouTube
          Oh, great Jill, terrorists will start using that one?


          But to honest it isn't a bad song, just too many nutters listening to it.

          I thought that a Justin Beiber song would have a higher suicide rate personally?


          I think that they used that one, in Arthur or some violinists used it somewhere. The original not the modern one.



          PS l just thought that all he had to say is, "I am Batman" and it would all be over?
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      • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        As in all cases when men cannot get along a woman had to be involved.
        Ha!

        I jus' pictured a Utopian future called Man Island.

        Devoid of women, it is the perfect guy hangout.

        You got beer, you got TV, you got pool.

        You even got knittin' if the guys wannit.

        Man Island is a testosterone-squirters' paradise.

        24/7 conversations about football, cars an' abs!

        Mirrors on evry wall, regular cleanin' product bonfires, plenty f*ckin' swearin'.

        Fart lightin' contests, heartfelt group ennui sessions, dick stunt humor gone crazy!

        Oh -- an' there would be no arguments or fights.

        Not ever.
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post

          Mirrors on evry wall, regular cleanin' product bonfires, plenty f*ckin' swearin'.

          Fart lightin' contests, heartfelt group ennui sessions, dick stunt humor gone crazy!
          Sounds like Wooster.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            A little side note;

            Why does Batman have to win against Superman?

            Because that creates drama. The weak have to beat the strong. Or at least the weak have to show the strong the virtue of being weak.

            The hero has to fight against impossible odds, against a powerful force. Only in that way, can we identify with the hero. In every story of good VS evil, evil has to be the obvious winner...the more powerful.

            It's nearly impossible for a human to identify with the stronger opponent. In fact, in most stories, the smarter one is evil. The stronger one is evil.


            Nobody cheers for Goliath.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kurt
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              A little side note;

              Why does Batman have to win against Superman?

              Because that creates drama. The weak have to beat the strong. Or at least the weak have to show the strong the virtue of being weak.

              The hero has to fight against impossible odds, against a powerful force. Only in that way, can we identify with the hero. In every story of good VS evil, evil has to be the obvious winner...the more powerful.

              It's nearly impossible for a human to identify with the stronger opponent. In fact, in most stories, the smarter one is evil. The stronger one is evil.


              Nobody cheers for Goliath.
              I've used this phrase before. It's actually the title of Wilt Chamberlain's book. Although technically, it's "Nobody Roots for Goliath".
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

                I've used this phrase before. It's actually the title of Wilt Chamberlain's book. Although technically, it's "Nobody Roots for Goliath".
                I heard it many years ago, and it stuck with me. You're right..it's "Nobody roots for Goliath".
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            • Profile picture of the author socialentry
              In most american comics, its the hero that is strong.

              E.g. In Batman, the JOKER is David.

              Bruce Wayne is maaad overpowered. Wayne industries looks like a zaibatsu.
              When he goes to society functions, he's always surrounded usually not by 1 but 2 beautiful women. He can afford all the gucci gear in the world as he was born into wealth. He's very well connected to the high level bureaucrats in the police. He's like an american aristocrat.

              What does the joker have?
              All he has really is his wits. His henchmen (who are near useless in a fight versus just about anybody). In all his apparition I've seen, he usually uses a pistol .... which just shows how poor his resources are(by comic book standards)
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

                In most american comics, its the hero that is strong.

                E.g. In Batman, the JOKER is David.

                Bruce Wayne is maaad overpowered. Wayne industries looks like a zaibatsu.
                When he goes to society functions, he's always surrounded usually not by 1 but 2 beautiful women. He can afford all the gucci gear in the world as he was born into wealth. He's like an american aristocrat.

                What does the joker have?
                All he has really is his wits. His henchmen (who are near useless in a fight versus just about anybody). In all his apparition I've seen, he usually uses a pistol .... which just shows how poor his resources are(by comic book standards)
                All true..but.

                It's the threat that is so great. It isn't just Batman against the Joker. It's Batman against the impossible traps the Joker sets. It's Batman's wits against the Joker's madness-genius.

                When you read the comics, Batman is nearly always in an impossible situation, minutes from certain death. In most comics with Batman/Joker, Joker has killed perhaps hundreds of people in gruesome ways. The challenges Bat,an faces are getting to the Joker. Once they fight, one on one, it's over pretty quickly.


                But Batman does have advantages.
                In fact, that's what makes it harder to cheer for him. He's far wealthier, stronger, and smarter than nearly all of us. It's harder to write the comics so we identify with him. It's why so little time is spent on Bruce Wayne. None of the readers are identifying with him.


                In fact, that's why Robin was created, to give the readers (kids) someone to identify with. As a bonus, Robin gave Batman someone to talk to, so we could follow the story more easily.


                By the way, one way to tell a story whee the hero is smarter than all of us, is to separate the hero from the danger. Like Sherlock Holmes. Most of the Holmes stories are him figuring out the identity of the villain, not getting out of danger.

                Want to know a secret? Before the 1966 series Batman, the Batman comic was almost cancelled because of poor sales. In fact, most of the Batman comic stories are deathly boring to me. So are the Superman stories.

                In movies, you can substitute the David VS Goliath trope with action and violence.
                In the comics, Batman is foremost a detective... master of disguise, escape artist....

                And most of Batman's enemies are far more powerful than he is...or they have criminal organizations, or they pose a huge threat to hundreds of lives.

                And Batman has a code against killing. That gives his sociopathic enemies a real advantage. And Joker's insanity and complete unpredictability makes him a great villain.

                For a comic to work the threat has to be impossible for the hero to overcome it....until he does. Otherwise there is no drama.

                In Superman stories...of course he's more powerful than anyone. So, how do they make him the underdog? The threat hast to be vast, complex, or impossible to stop. One of the reasons there are other standard characters is so one of them can be in danger.

                It's why Kryptonite was created. The effects of a red Sun, his vulnerability to magic, his code against killing, conflict with other heroes....

                And of course, villains that are more powerful than he is in some way. If none of this was there, the stories would be deadly dull.

                By the way, the genius of Marvel super heroes is that we identify with them. Captain America was a weakling. That's the guy we identify with. Spider-Man has problems with dates and money. Daredevil is blind and conflicted about what he does. Doctor Strange was in an accident that crippled his hands. It's that part of them we identify with.

                But Superman? Nobody is as pure as he is. Batman? Easy to identify with, because his parents were killed. Take away that tragedy, and his journey to avenge them, and Batman is just a psychopath.
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      Looking back at Superman III

      Here we have the all-American hero, with the white teeth and the square jaw, and suddenly he's looking mean, really mean, and he's threatening to do all manner of evil things to good Clark Kent.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    All Superman has to do is use his X-Ray vision and see Batman is really Bruce Wayne and take care of Wayne when he isn't wearing his bat suit.


    Batman isn't a super hero because he doesn't have any super powers. He's just a vigilante with a bat fetish.
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    • Profile picture of the author lanfear63
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      All Superman has to do is use his X-Ray vision and see Batman is really Bruce Wayne and take care of Wayne when he isn't wearing his bat suit.


      Batman isn't a super hero because he doesn't have any super powers. He's just a vigilante with a bat fetish.
      You think Batman Would not have thought of that and be lead lined. On top of that, I don't think Superman's X Ray vision could show skin deep features, just skeletal structure.

      All he would have to do would be to say ok, you beat me this time Batfink, I'm off, and fly's away at super speed. But, in reality he hides behind a hill until Batman decides he wants to go home for his dinner. Then he follows him. Game over, the Batcave is below Wayne Manor and Batman's in his dinner suit.
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  • Profile picture of the author dandagger
    Ok, now let me tell you how I can kill both of them at the same time..
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    Goku > Popeye / Mike Tyson > Batman >superman
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    With most American movies or series, the hero is so badly built up I end up cheering for the bad guy.

    E.g. in the Jurassic park 4 trailer how can you not root for the dinosaurs when you see how emo the protagonist is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      With most American movies or series, the hero is so badly built up I end up cheering for the bad guy.

      E.g. in the Jurassic park 4 trailer how can you not root for the dinosaurs when you see how emo the protagonist is.
      In a few movies I've rooted for the villain. Not because I'm a villain...but because I thought it would make a better story.
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